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[Call to Order and Determination of Quorum.]

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I'LL CALL THIS MEETING OF THE MIDLOTHIAN PLANNING AND ZONING TO ORDER. AND WE DO HAVE A QUORUM. FIRST ITEM IS CITIZENS TO BE HEARD. DO WE HAVE ANYBODY THAT WANTS TO SPEAK TO A ENOL JUDGE ITEM, THE COMMISSION IS NOT ALLOWED TO RESPOND TO THAT BUT IF YOU HAVE SOMETHING TO SPEAK TO THE COMMISSION ABOUT, YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES, DO WE HAVE ANYBODY WHO WOULD LIKE TO

[002 Consider the minutes for the Planning & Zoning Commission meeting dated: • August 17, 2021]

SPEAK? >> ALL RIGHT. OTHERS I HAVE HERE ARE RELATED TO ITEMS ON THE AGENDA. THE NEXT ITEM IS TO CONSIDER THE MINUTES OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING DATED AUGUST THE 17TH, 2021. DID I HEAR A MOTION?

>> MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE. >> SECOND.

>> I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR, AYE.

>> (CHORUS OF AYES). >> ANY OPPOSED?

>> OKAY. I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD TO MOVE TO ITEM 6 IN CASE WE HAVE ANYBODY HERE WHO HAS COME TO SPEAK, ITEM SIX HAS BEEN WITHDRAWN, THAT'S THE ITEM RELATED TO MIDTOWN, NEW TOWN MODULE, THAT ITEM HAS BEEN POSTPONED IN CASE ANYBODY'S HERE

[003 Consider and act upon a request for two special exceptions, being, 1) Section 6.14 of the Subdivision Ordinance allow for a lot to be subdivided without having street frontage onto a public street (Methodist Way), and 2) Section 4.5605(b.1) of the Zoning Ordinance to allow for driveway access not meeting the minimum spacing requirements for a ±7.909 acres tract of land out of the B.F. Hawkins Survey, Abstract No. 464 for nonresidential uses. The property is located on the northwest corner of U.S. Highway 287 service road and Methodist Way (Case No. M26-2021-180).]

JUST FOR THAT. OKAY. ITEM THERE, CONSIDER AND ACT UPON A REQUEST FOR TWO SPECIAL EXCEPTIONS BEING SECTION 6.14 IN THE SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE TO ALLOW FOR A LOT TO BE SUBDIVIDED WITHOUT HAVING STREET PRONGS ON A PUBLIC STREET AND SECOND SECTION 4.5605 B 1 OF THE ZONING ORDINANCE TO ALLOW FOR DRIVEWAY ACCESS NOT MEETING THE MINUTE NUMB SPACING REQUIREMENTS FOR A PLUS OR MINUS, 7.9 OUT OF THE BF HAWKINS SURVEY FOR NONRESIDENTIAL USES PROPERTIES LOCATED ON THE NORTHWEST CORNER OF U.S. HIGHWAY 287 SERVICE ROAD AND METHODIST WAY.

>> IN ORDER FOR A LOT TO BE LEGALLY AH PLATTED IT HAS TO BE FRONTAGE ON A PUBLIC RIGHT-OF-WAY. ALSO, IN ACCORDANCE TO SUBDIVISION REGULATIONS, IN ORDER TO GET A DRIVE APPROACH DIRECT ACCESS ON A RIGHT-OF-WAY. THE SUBDIVISION OF THREE LOTS ON A PIECE OF PROPERTY, THIS LOT 2 A IS A PROPOSED SUBDIVISION WHICH WILL LATER COME BACK AS A PLAT.

BLOCK TWO OF THIS PROPOSED PLAN WILL NOT HAVE ACCESS DIRECTLY ONTO METHODIST WAY. IF YOU LOOK AT IT, IT LOOKS LIKE THERE IS ACCESS BUT RIGHT HERE THERE'S A SPIKE TRIP WHERE THIS LOT BARELY BLOCK IT IS OFF PREVENTING INGRESS AND EDEGREES FROM THAT LOT. THEY HAVE CONTACT THE THE PROPERTY OWNERS TO REACH AN AGREEMENT TO GET AN INGRESS, EGRESS ON THAT DRIVE WHICH THEY HAVE DONE. THE OTHER ITEM WHICH WOULD BE TO ALLOW FOR THIS TO BE SUBDIVIDED IN THE FUTURE. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL, WE DO FIND THERE'S A HARDSHIP BECAUSE THERE'S A DESIGN PREVENTING IT FROM HAVING DIRECT ACCESS. WE THOUGHT A LINE FOR THE SPECIAL EXCEPTIONS WOULD ALLOW FOR THE PARK TO DEVELOP AS OTHER PROPERTIES IN SIMILAR SITUATIONS IN THE SURROUNDING AREA WOULD BE ABLE TO BE DEVELOPED. AND STAFF DOES RECOMMEND APPROVAL AND I CAN ANSWER QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME.

>> QUESTIONS OF STAFF? >> ALL RIGHT. ONE OF STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION THAT THE FINAL PLACEMENT OF THE INGRESS, EGRESS WILL BE APPROVED BY THE CITY ENGINEER AT A LATER POINT IN

TIME. >> ANY DISCUSSION?

>> THEY ARE IN THE PROCESS OF OBTAINS?

>> THEY HAVE RETAINED IT. >> THE CROSS ACCESS?

>> THE EASEMENT. >> THE CROSS ACCESS EASEMENT.

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>> THE EASEMENT TO ALLOW FOR RIGHT HERE. IT WAS A CROSS ACCESS EASEMENT TO ALLOW THEM TO HAVE ACCESS TO THEIR LOTS.

>> GOT IT. OKAY. >> NO, SIR.

>> I'LL MOVE TO APPROVE WITH THE CONDITIONS.

>> SECOND. >> OKAY, WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND, AND THAT IS WITH THE SIX RECOMMENDATIONS STAFF. OKAY.

>> ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION OR QUESTION?

>> NOT ALL IN FAVOR, AYE. >> (CHORUS OF AYES).

>> ANY OPPOSED? >> IT IS UNANIMOUS.

>> MR. CHAIR, STAFF WOULD LIKE TO RECOMMEND REQUESTING THAT ITEM NUMBER NINE BE MOVED UP ON THE AGENDA CHLTH THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING TO CONTINUE THIS ITEM TO THE NEXT PUBLIC HEARING.

>> THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING TO MOVE ITEM NINE TO THE NEXT

PUBLIC HEARING. >> OKAY.

[009 Conduct a public hearing and consider and act upon an ordinance relating to the use and development of 506.6± acres out of the M.E.P & P Railroad Company Survey, Abstract No. 761, John Chamblee Survey, Abstract No. 192, J. Stewart Survey, Abstract No. 961, Cuadrilla Irrigation Company Survey, Abstract No. 262 and Caudrilla Irrigation Company Survey, Abstract No. 1204, described in Exhibit “A” hereto, by changing the zoning from Planned Development District No. 18 (PD-18) to Planned Development District No. 146 (PD-146) for a mixed-use development; adopting development regulations and a site plan. The property is located approximately +/- 1400 feet west of U.S. Hwy 67 interchange, between U.S. Hwy 287 and Old Fort Worth Road (Case No. Z40-2021-160).]

>> AT THIS TIME, WE WILL DECLARE OURSELVES IN PUBLIC HEARING AND CONSIDERING THE ACT UPON AN ORDINANCE RELATING TO THE USE AND DEVELOPMENT OF 506.6 ACRES OUT OF THE MEP AND P RAILROAD SURVEY AS 765, JOHN SURVEY, ABSTRACT 961, CUABRILLA IRRIGATION COMPANY SURVEY ABINSTRUCT, 262 AND CAUDRILLA IRRIGATION COMPANY SURVEY ABSTRACT 1204 BY CHANGING THE ZONING FROM PLANNED DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT NAH 18 T TO PLANNED DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT WYNNE 47 THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT PLUS MINUS 1400 FEET WEST OF HIGHWAY 67 INTERCHANGING U.S. HIGHWAY 287, OLD FORT WORTH HIGHWAY. SO, I WOULD NEED A MOTION AT

THIS TIME TO CONTINUE THIS. >> AND THAT WOULD BE TO THE OCTOBER 19TH PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING.

>> YES. I WOULD MAKE THE MOTION. IS THERE A SECOND.

>> SECOND. >> OKAY. ANY DISCUSSION? ALL

IN FAVOR, AYE. >> (CHORUS OF AYES).

>> ANY OPPOSED? >> OKAY. ITEM 4 CONDUCT A

[004 Conduct a public hearing and consider and act upon an ordinance amending the City of Midlothian Zoning Ordinance and zoning map relating to the use and development of 31.387± acres out of the N.N. J.J. & B.L. Edwards Survey, Abstract No. 340 described in Exhibit “A” hereto to adopt the initial zoning of said property by zoning said property as Planned Development District No. 142 (PD-142); amending the development and use regulations of PD-142 as set forth in Ordinance No. 2021-54 by amending the description of the property, the amount of required open space, and the planned development site plan. The property is located north of FM 875, between McAlpin Rd. and Skinner Rd. (Case No. Z42-2021-181).]

PUBLIC HEARING AND CONSIDER AND ACT UPON AN ORDINANCE AMENDMENTING THE CITY OF MIDLOTHIAN ZONING ORDINANCE AND SEASONING MAP RELATING TO THE USE AND DAFT OF 31.387 PLUS OR MINUS ACRES OUT OF THE INITIAL ZONING OF SAID PROPERTY BY SEASONING SAID IN PROPERTY AS PLANNED DEVELOPMENT, BY ZONING SAID PROPERTY AS DISTRICT 142 AMENDING DEVELOPMENT AND USE REGULATION OF PD-142 AS SET FORTH IN ORDINANCE NUMBER 2021-54 BY AMENDING THE SCRAGS OF THE PROPERTY THE AMOUNT OF REQUIRED OPEN SPACE AND THE PLANNED DEVELOPMENT SITE PLAN PROPERTY'S IS LOCATED NORTH FM 875 BETWEEN MCALPIN AND.

>> THE NORTHERN HALF OF SETH PROPERTY WAS CHANGED TO SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL FROM CULTURAL DISTRICT TO A PLANNED DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT. WHEN THIS CAME BEFORE THE SOUTHERN HALF OF THE PROPERTY GOING FROM THIS POINT ALL THE WAY TO THE CORNER WAS LOCATED IN THE CITY OF WAXIHCHIE. WE EXCHANGED BOUNDARIES WITHIN OUR TERRITORIAL RESTRICTION WITH THE CITY OF WA COWE FOUND ISSUES WI TAXES, PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE, SERVICE RESPONSE AND WE WORKED WITH THE DEVELOPER TO GET US IN THE CITY LIMITS. NOTHING HAS REQUESTED FROM THE ORIGINAL PLANNED DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT EXCEPT FOR THE INCLUSION OF THIS 31 ACRES. WHEN WE ORIGINALLY PROPOSED THIS, THE TOTAL NUMBER

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OF UNITS FOR THE ENTIRE DEVELOPMENT WOULD NOT EXCEED .74 DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE, THAT HAS NOT CHANGED. REALLY NOTHING HAS CHANGED FROM WHAT WAS ORIGINALLY PROPOSED EXCEPT FOR NOW THE BOUNDARY IS LOCATED WITHIN THE CITY LIMITS.

PROPOSED ANNEXATION IS PROPOSED TO TO GO BEFORE CITY COUNCIL.

STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE PROPOSED REQUEST. AS ITS CONSISTENT WITH THE PROPERTIES TO THE NORTH. IT WILL BE CONSISTENT WITH THE SUBDIVISIONS TO THE NORTH AS WELL OF THIS OVERALL DEVELOPMENT AS WELL. ALSO, THIS WAS ORIGINALLY PROPOSED MOST OF THE OPEN SPACE WAS ALREADY LOCATED WITHIN THE CITY OF MIDLOTHIAN PRIOR TO THIS BEING ANNEXED. WE THOUGHT THIS WOULD BE AN ADDED BENEFIT TO THE CITY OF MIDLOTHIAN BY HAVING THIS ANNEXED AND NOT REIGNING IN ALL THE VARIOUS ISSUES THAT WE SEEN WHEN WE WENT THROUGH THE LAST ZONING CASE. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL WITH THE CONDITION THAT THIS ONLY BE APPROVED IF THE PETITION FOR ANNEXATION IS ACCEPTED AND ADOPTED BY THE CITY COUNCIL AND I CAN ANSWER QUESTIONS AT THIS

TIME. >> QUESTIONS OF STAFF?

>> DOES THE APPLICANT WISH TO SPEAK?

>> OKAY. WE DON'T HAVE ANYBODY ELSE TO SPEAK. I ENTERTAIN THE MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING?

>> WERE THEY USING OR WERE THEY TAUGHT TO USE SEPTIC?

>> THIS WILL ALL BE SEPTIC. ALL LOTS ARE OVER ONE ACRE IN

SIZE. >> ARE CLOSE ARE WE TO THE

PUBLIC. >> IT EXCEEDS THE MINIMUM REQUIREMENT. IT'S QUITE A DISTANCE AWAY. ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.

>> MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. ALL IN FAVOR AYE.

>> (CHORUS OF AYES). >> ANY OPPOSED.

>> PUBLIC HEAR SOMETHING CLOSED, FLOOR'S OPEN FOR

DISCUSSION AND OR ACTION. >> MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE AS

PRESENTED. >> IS THAT WITH STAFF

RECOMMENDATION? >> WITH STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS.

>> SECOND. >> I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ANY FURTHER QUESTION OR DISCUSSION?

>> IF NOT ALL IN FAVOR? (CHORUS OF AYES)

[005 Consider and act upon a request for a Preliminary Plat of Hartson Estates, being ± 78.022 acres of land, situated within the N.N.J.J. and B.L. Edwards Survey, Abstract No. 340, a portion being in City of Midlothian, Ellis County, Texas and a portion being in the ETJ of the City of Midlothian and a portion of that tract of land described in deed to Dalyne Hartson, City of Midlothian, Ellis County (Case No. PP25-2021-179).]

>> ANY OPPOSED. >> IT IS UNANIMOUS.

>> ITEM FIVE, CONSIDER AND ACT UPON A QUESTION FOR A PRELIMINARY PLAT OF HEARTS ESTATES BEING PLUS OR MY NONE RATION 78.0 # 22 LAND OF NJ AND BL SURVEY ABINSTRUCT 3 FERRETY BEING A PORTION IN THE CITY OF MIDLOTHIAN ELLIS COUNTY AND A PORTION BEING IN THE HEJ INCITYF MIDLOTHIAN. AND A PORTION OF THAT TRACK OF LAND DESCRIBED TO DAILY HEARTSON, CITY OF

MIDLOTHIAN. >> THANK YOU. THIS IS THE PRELIMINARY PLAT FOR THE ZONING CASE YOU JUST HEARD. THE TOTAL LOT COUNT WILL BE 56 LOTS. THE PLAT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE REGULATIONS SET FORTH IN SECTION 212 OF TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE AS WELL AS THE ORDINANCE REGULATIONS. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE PROPOSED PLAT WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS THAT THE ZONING CASE BE APPROVED AT THE SEPTEMBER 28TH, 2021,

CITY COUNCIL MEETING. >> QUESTIONS OF STAFF?

>> AND THIS DOES NOT REQUIRE PUBLIC HEARING.

>> QUESTIONS OR DISCUSSION? >> IF NOT I'LL ENTERTAIN A

MOTION. >> I'LL MOVE.

>> MOTION IS THERE A SECOND. >> SECOND.

>> OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ANY FURTHER

DISCUSSION? >> IF NOT ALL IN FAVOR, AYE.

>> (CHORUS OF AYES). >> ANY OPPOSED?

[007 Conduct a public hearing and consider and act upon an ordinance granting a Specific Use Permit (SUP) for a car wash on Lot 2, Block B, of Walmart Supercenter Addition, being 2.12± acres of land generally located to the east of Walton Way, between W. Avenue F and W. Main Street (Business 287) (Case No. SUP23-2021-185).]

>> IT'S UNANIMOUS. >> THANK YOU.

>> ITEM 7, CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING CONSIDERING AN ACT TO FOLLOW AN ORDINANCE GRANTING A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR A CAR WASH ON LOT 2 BLOCK B OF THE WALMART SUPER CENTER ADDITION BEING TWO.12 PLUS OR MINUS LAND BETWEEN WEST AVENUE F AND WEST MAIN STREET WHICH IS BUSINESS 287.

>> THANK YOU, CHAIRMAN. ON THE SCREEN IS THE LOCATION OF THE PROPOSED CAR WASH. THIS IS LOCATED ON AVENUE F. NEAR WALTON WAY. THE SITE WILL CONTAIN A CAR WASH, VACUUM BAYS, AND TWO ACCESS POINTS ONE OFF OF AVENUE F TO THE NORTH AND THE OTHER OFF OF MAIN STREET THROUGH AN EXISTING ACCESS EASEMENT.

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THIS INCLUDES THE CONSTRUCTION OF A DECELERATION LANE AS YOU COULD SEE WHERE MY POINTER IS. THE FUTURE LAND USE PLAN, SHOWS THAT THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT IS LOCATED IN WHAT WE CALL THE HE IS CARTMENT MOOD YOU'LL, OUR PLAN RECOMMENDS THE THE DEVELOPMENT BE IT FROM THE DISCARTMENT AREA. PREVIOUS ASSESSMENTS INDICATE THAT THIS IS OUTSIDE OF THE HE IS CARTMENT AREA. ALTHOUGH YOU SEE THE GREEN AREA HERE, THAT'S MORE TO THE EAST. AND AT A FUTURE TIME, WE'LL PROBABLY UPDATE OUR FUTURE LAND USE PLAN TO REFLECT THAT. THE BUILDING WILL CONTAIN A COMBINATION OF POURS LYNN, TILE, THE CITY CANNOT REQUIRE PARTICULAR BUILDING MATERIALS FOR RESIDENTIAL OREM COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS, WITH THAT SAID, THE APPLICANT STATED THESE ARE THE INTENDED MATERIALS. AS YOU COULD SEE ON THE SCREEN. TWO MONUMENT SIGNS ARE BEING PROPOSED AN ADDITIONAL MONUMENT SIZE NOT MORE THAN 43 FEET IN SIZE. STAFF WILL SUPPORT THE SECOND MONUMENT SIGN. THE SECOND SIGN IS LOCATED IN RED CLOSER TO MAIN STREET. BUT NO ELECTRONIC MESSAGE SIGNS WILL BE PERMITTED. THE PARKING PLAN DOES SEW STACKING LINES FOR UP TO 35 VEHICLES, SEVEN PARKING SPACES AS WELL. BASED ON OUR CURRENT CODIOUS THE PARK, RATIO OF 1 TWO 125, THAT WOULD REQUIRE 96 STALLS. OBVIOUSLY, THIS WOULD BE VERY UNUSUAL AND CREATE A SEA OF CONCRETE PARKING. THE STAFF SUPPORTS THE PROPOSED SEVEN SPACES NEEDED FOR THE APPLICANT'S EMPLOYEES. WE SENT OUT A TOTAL OF 16 NOTIFICATIONS STAFF HAS NOT RECEIVED ANY RESPONSES FROM SURROUNDING PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN THE 200 FOOT BOUNDARY, BUT WE DID RECEIVE MULTIPLE LETTERS IN SUPPORT FROM OUTSIDE THAT 200 FOOT BOUNDARY. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE PROPOSED SUP AS PRESENTED AND I CAN TAKE ANY

QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE. >> QUESTIONS OF STAFF?

>> OKAY. IS THE APPLICANT PRESENT AND DO THEY WISH TO

SPEAK? >> THE APPLICANT DOES HAVE A PRESENTATION THAT HE WANT TOSS SHOW AS WELL.

>> YES, SIR, NAME AND ADDRESS. >> YES, SIR, CHAD WEST, 810 BISHOP AVENUE, DALLAS, TEXAS. THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME TODAY.

>> ALL RIGHT. I'M GOING TO JUST KIND OF HE HIT A LOT OF POINTS ALREADY. SO AS NOT TO COVER THE SAME THING, WE'RE AN EXPRESS TUNNEL WASH WHICH IS BASICALLY WHERE YOU PULL YOUR CAR UP, STAY IN YOUR CAR, A GUY PREPS IT AT THE BEGINNING AND A CONVEYER PULSE YOU THROUGH. WHEN WE WERE ANALYZING MIDLOTHIAN AS A POTENTIAL SITE, WE LOOKED AT WHERE THE COMPETITION WAS AND REALIZED OUR NEAREST COMPETITION IS 4.8 MILES AWAY ACROSS TOWN. OF COURSE, YOU'VE SEEN THE SITE. WE DID OUR OWN NOTIFICATION IN ADDITION TO THE CITY'S AND WE SENT OUT LETTERS TO EVERYBODY WHO HAS A CHECK MARK ON THIS MAP. I THINK THE REQUIREMENT WAS 200, WE ENDED UP NOTIFIES WITHIN 300 AND WE GOT UP TO 375, AT OUR TWO COMMUNITY MEETINGS WE HAD TWO INDIVIDUALS APPEAR AND THEY WERE BUSINESS OWNERS WITHIN THE WEST SIDE OF THAT MAP. AND ONE OF THEM ENDED UP WRITING A LETTER OF SUPPORT. AND YOU SEE IN THESE PHOTOS, THIS IS OUR SITE IN ENNIS, TEXAS. STAFF INDICATED THEY LIKED THAT SITE AND WE DO TOO, SO WE WERE IN AGREEMENT ON KEEPING THAT ONE.

AND, REALLY MODELLING IT VERY SIMILAR TO WHAT WE HAVE IN ENNIS. OUR PROJECT SPECIFICS, OUR HOURS OF OPERATION, ARE 8-8 MONDAY WILL YOU SATURDAY AND WE HAVE A SHORE ENNED TIME OF 11-6

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ON SUNDAYS. WE HAVE A VERY STRICT UNIFORM POLICY FOR ALL OF OUR STAFF. I'M THE OWNER THAT LIVES IN SOUTH DALLAS, SO CLOSE TO THE SITE. WE HAVE BEEN KNOWN AT OUR OTHER SITES IN OAK CLIFF AND ENNIS AS THE TRASH POLICE, WE END UP PICKING UP TRASH FROM EVERYONE ELSE AROUND US BECAUSE WE KNOW IT'S BLOWING ONTO OUR SITE AND WE DON'T WANT OUR SITE. JUST IN KEEPING OUR OWN SITE CLEAN, WE CLEAN EVERYBODY ELSE'S TOO. WE HAVE NO AFTER HOURS ACCESS, AND WE KEEP GOOD LIGHTING TO AVOID CRIME AND GRAFFITI, NO ONE CAN ACCESS THE SITE AFTER HOURS. A FEW EXAMPLES OF OUR UNIFORMS, THIS WILL ACTUALLY BE THE MOST STACKING THAT WE HAVE AT ANY OF OUR SITES AND WE HAVEN'T HAD A PROBLEM EXCEPT ONE DAY IN ENNIS, OUR VERY FIRST DAY, WE WERE GIVING AWAY FREE CAR WASHES, WE BACKED UP TO THE HIGHWAY, AND WE NEEDED HELP TO GET US OUT OF THAT, BUT WE LEARNED OUR LESSON AND THAT WAS FOUR YEARS AGO AND WE HAVE NOT HAD THAT PROBLEM SINCE AND BASED ON THE RE REQUIREMENTS HERE, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE MORE STACKING FOR TRAFFIC THAN EVER. WE APPRECIATE BEING A GOOD COMMUNITY PARTNER IN ALL OF OUR CITIES. WE HAVE LETTERS OF SUPPORT FROM THREE LOCAL INDIVIDUALS AND ALSO FROM CHAMBERS OF COMMERCE AND TWO OF OUR LOCATIONS AND ALSO FROM THE MAYOR OF ENNIS, HOPEFULLY YOU

GUYS GOT COPIES OF THOSE. >> WE SUPPORT EVERYTHING STAFF HAS PROVIDED IN THE PACKET, THE ONE THING WE ASKED FOR THIS COMMISSION TO CONSIDER AS A VARIANCE IS THE AWNINGS. STAFF IS REQUIRING AND I THINK YOUR CODE REQUIRES METAL AWNINGS FOR YOUR VACUUM BASE. AND I THINK THE INTENT IS TO PREVENT FADED CANOPIES OVER TIME THAT LOOK RATTY AND GROSS. WE WOULD LIKE YOU TO TAKE A LOOK AT THESE AWNINGS THAT ARE OVER FOUR YEARS OLD IN ENNIS, THEY COST THE SAME AS THE METAL, BUT WE BELIEVE THEY LOOK BETTER AND WEAR WELL OVER TIME AND THEY'RE KEEPING WITHIN OUR BRAND. I HAVE ANOTHER WHEN HERE. THE AWNINGS STILL LOOK AS NEW AS THEY DID WHEN WE INSTALLED THEM. THEY HAVE A NICE CLEAN LOOK FOR THE SITE AND THE BLUE COLOR IS KEEPS EVERYTHING COOL AND JUST LOOKS GOOD. SO, I WOULD LIKE YOU TO CONSIDER ALLOWING US TO DO A MODIFIED FABRIC AWNING AS PART OF THIS APPLICATION. THANK YOU. AND I ALSO HAVE MY ENGINEER HERE

IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS. >> HOW LONG HAVE YOU BEEN IN

CEDAR HILL? >> WE'VE BEEN THERE SINCE FEBRUARY OF LAST YEAR. AND IN ENNIS HOW LONG?

>> IN ENNIS FOUR YEARS. >> AND WHERE ARE YOU IN ENNIS?

>> WE'RE IN FRONT OF WALMART ACTUALLY. WE ACTUALLY PURCHASED THE LAST UNDEVELOPED PARCEL IN ENNIS IN FRONT OF THE WALMART IT WAS A T-SHAPED LOT AND WE WORKED WITH LEASING IMPRESSIONS WHICH IS A MIDLOTHIAN-BASED OWNERS TO MOVE THE HOUSE HERE TO MIDLOTHIAN SO THAT THE HOUSE IN THE ORIGINAL HOMESTEAD IS ACTUALLY HERE. I HAVEN'T SEEN IT YET BUT I THINK IT'S BEEN RENOVATED OR THEY'RE IN THE PROCESS OF RENOVATING IT FOR COMMERCIAL USE.

>> ANYONE ELSE HAVE QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT?

>> THANK YOU, SIR. >> THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER, I

APPRECIATE IT. >> LET THE RECORD SHOW WE ALSO HAVE REMARKS AND INFORMATION SUBMITTED BY THE APPLICANT. AND THAT'S ALL WE HAVE TO BE HEARD ON THAT. CAN I HEAR A MOTION TO

CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING? >> I MAKE A MOTION TO CLOSE

THE PUBLIC HEARING. >> WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. ALL IN FAVOR, AYE.

>> (CHORUS OF AYES). >> ANY OPPOSED?

>> THE FLOOR IS OPEN FOR DISCUSSION AND OR ACTION.

>> I HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF, ARE YOU OKAY WITH THE AWNINGS

NOT BEING METAL? >> NO, SIR. WE DO PREFER THAT THOSE CANOPY AWNINGS REMAIN METAL, ABSOLUTELY, THAT'S JUST FOR DURABILITY AND LONGEVITY IS HOW WE'RE SEEING IT, PLUS OUR RULES AND REGULATIONS CALLS FOR THE CANOPIES TO BE METAL IN OUR

ZONING ORDINANCE. >> IN THE ORDINANCE ITSELF, IT'S WRITTEN THAT THE MEDAL AWNINGS, SO IF YOU ARE GOING TO APPROVE THE VARIANCE, YOU WOULD HAVE TO AMEND YOUR MOTION AND NOT AGREE WITH STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION.

>> OKAY. >> A TURN LANE, THIS PROPOSED

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DEACCELERATION LANE IS PROPOSED BY THE APPLICANT. ABSOLUTELY.

>> THIS COMES BEHIND MURPHY? >> CORRECT.

>> MURPHY STATION IS IN THE RED. THEY WOULD BE LOCATED IN BLACK. THAT TURN LANE, THAT DECELL LANE WOULD RUN IN THAT DIRECTION AND THIS PROPERTY HAS ALREADY BEEN PRE-PLATTED AND THERE'S AN ACCESS EASEMENT THAT EXISTS THROUGH THIS LOCATION.

>> TO ACCESS THIS SITE? >> YES, SIR.

>> HE DID MENTION THAT THE SITE WAS GOING TO BE CONED OFF OR BLOCKED. I JUST SEE PEOPLE CUTTING THROUGH THIS SITE CONSTANTLY TO GET TO WALMART BECAUSE OF THE LIGHT.

>> I MEAN, YEAH, TECHNICALLY, YOU COULD POSSIBLY CUT RIGHT THROUGH HERE AND GO DRIVE UP THROUGH THIS AREA TO GET TO AVENUE F. OBVIOUSLY, IT'S INTENDED FOR THE FOLKS WHO ARE ACTUALLY, YOU KNOW, GETTING A CAR WASH.

>> IF THEY'RE GOING TO BLOCK IT AFTER HOURS, I'M GOOD WITH THAT.

>> AND JUST TO VERIFY, STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION WOULD HAVE THE

METAL ON IT? >> YES, SIR. IT SHOULD BE SHOWN IN THE ORDINANCE, I THINK WE HAVE IT UNDER EXHIBIT C.

YEAH, WE SHOW THE ELEVATIONS AND THE METAL AWNINGS, YES, SIR.

CANOPIES. >> ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS OR

DISCUSSION? >> WHAT'S THE PLEASURE OF THE

COMMISSION? >> I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO

APPROVE AS PRESENTED BY STAFF. >> SECOND.

>> I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS

OR DISCUSSION. >> IF NOT, ALL IN FAVOR OF THE

[008 Conduct a public hearing and consider and act upon an ordinance to change relating to the use and development of 50.46± acres in the M. Pogue Survey, Abstract No. 852 described in Exhibit “A” hereto, by changing the zoning from Agricultural District to Planned Development District No. 143 (PD-143) for residential uses. The property is located ±1,600 feet south of the Plainview Road and Stout Road intersection commonly known as 4440 Stout Road (Case No. Z41-2021-177).]

MOTION. (CHORUS OF AYES). >> ANY OPPOSED?

>> IT IS UNANIMOUS. >> ITEM 8, CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING AND CONSIDER AN ACT UPON AN ORDINANCE TO CHANGE RELATING TO THE USE AND DEVELOPMENT OF 50.46 PLUS AMOUNT OF ACRES IN THE SURVEY ABSTRACT 852, DESCRIBE IN EXHIBIT A HERETO BUY CHANGING THE ZONING TO PLANNED DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT 143 RESIDENTIAL USES. THE PROPERTY'S LOCATED 16 HUNDRED FEET SOUTH OF PLAIN VIEW ROAD AND STOUT ROAD.

>> THANK YOU, CHAIRMAN, THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS LOCATED ALONG STOUT ROAD AND CURRENTLY ZONED AGRICULTURAL FOR RESIDENTIAL USES. NEAR PLANNED DEVELOPMENT 75. ACCORDING TO OUR FUTURE LAND USE PLAN, SUBJECT PROPERTY IS WITHIN WHAT WE CALL THE RURAL MODULE, WHICH IF DEVELOPED WOULD NORMALLY CONSIST OF LARGER 3-ACRE STYLE LOTS. AT LEAST 3 ACRES PLUS.

THE PROPERTY DOES BORDER THE URBAN MEDIUM MODULE AND IT IS IN CLOSE PROXIMITY TO THE URBAN LOW DENSITY MODULE. THESE URBAN MODULES DO CORRESPOND WITH SMALLER SINGLE FAMILY LOTS AND MAY INCLUDE APARTMENTS OR TOWN HOME COMPLEXES. HERE IS THE PROPOSED LAYOUT OF THE DEVELOPMENT. THE SITE INCLUDES LOTS RANGING FROM THREE QUARTERS OF AN ACRE TO OVER 1 ACRE IN SIZE. THERE'S A TOTAL OF 13 LOTS ON THE SITE THAT WILL FALL BELOW THE ONE-ACRE REQUIREMENT, TYPICALLY. THE SITE CONTAINS TWO ACCESS POINTS ON STOUT ROAD, PER THE CITY'S CODE, RIGHT-OF-WAYS THAT ARE LESS THAN 80 FEET WHICH IN THIS CASE VEGETATIVE SCREEN WALLS, THE APPLICANT IS ASKING FOR A SPLIT RAILROAD FENCE BE ADDED TO STOUT ROAD. THERE'LL BE A 15-FOOT WIDE LANDSCAPE BUFFER ALONG STOUT ROAD. ALONG THE EASTERN SIDE AND THE SOUTHERN SIDE, THAT AREA WILL CONTAIN A TREE PRESERVATION BOUNDARY. WE DID SEND OUT 16 LETTER TOSS PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN 200 FEET. WE RECENTLY RECEIVED LETTERS IN OPPOSITION. WE RECEIVED TWO IN OPPOSITION THAT FALL WITHIN THE 200 FOOT BUT THEY'RE FROM THE SAME ADDRESS AND WE DID RECEIVE ANOTHER TWO LETTERS IN OPPOSITION OUTSIDE THE YOU GUY

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COPY OF THAT AS WELL. THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT DOES NOT MEET THE RURAL MODULE GUIDELINES BUT THE PROPERTY DOES BORDER THAT URBAN MODULE. STAFF WOULD RECOMMEND APPROVAL WITH THE CONDITION THAT ALL LOTS CONTAIN AN AREA NOT LESS THAN 1 ACRE LOCATED OUTSIDE OF A DESIGNATED FLOOD PLAIN. AND WITH THAT I CAN TAKE QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE.

>> QUESTIONS OF STAFF? >> SO, YOUR RECOMMENDATION IS ALL OF THE ROCKS IN ORANGE ARE NOT OKAY BASED ON WHAT STAFF'S

RECOMMENDING? >> YES, SIR.

>> CORRECT. >> SO YOU'RE SAYING THEY NEED

TO BE OVER ONE ACRE? >> AT LEAST ONE ACRE IN SIZE.

YES, SIR. >> WHEN WE SAW THIS TWO MONTHS

AGO, RIGHT? >> THERE'S NOTHING CHANGED IN

THE PRESENTATION? >> NOTHING'S CHANGED IN THE

PRESENTATION, NO, SIR. >> OTHER QUESTIONS OF STAFF?

>> OKAY. THANK YOU. STAFF, IS THE APPLICANT PRESENT AND WISH

TO SPEAK? >> GOOD EVENING, JAMIE, 1600 CREEKWOOD DRIVE REPRESENTING THE PROPERTY OWNER/APPLICANT. I'M ALSO JOINED FOR LATER CONVERSATION TODAY BY THE DEVELOPER AND THE ENGINEERING FIRM. ONE OF THE REASONS YOU DON'T SEE A CHANGE IN THE PLAN IS BECAUSE FOLLOWING THE REQUEST TO HAVE ADDITIONAL CONVERSATION WITH THE PROPERTY OWNERS WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH THEM IN RESOLVING THE CONCERNS, ISSUES, PROBLEMS AND EDUCATING WHAT THE URBAN MODULE NEXT DOOR IS ACTUALLY, WHAT THAT ACTUALLY IS. BECAUSE, AS IS UNDERSTANDABLE, ALL OF US LIKE TO LOOK AT WHAT WE HAD BEEN LOOKING AT, ESPECIALLY WHEN IT WAS GREEN GRASS. AND THE CHALLENGE IS, THIS FAMILY WANTS TO SELL THIS PIECE OF REAL ESTATE. AND SO, THERE'S GOING TO BE CHANGES, SO WE'VE BEEN IN NUMEROUS MEETINGS, THE DEVELOPERS HAVE BEEN IN NUMEROUS MEETINGS, WITH THE NEIGHBORS TO OVERCOME THE OBJECTIONSES AND SOLVE THE PROBLEMS AND BASED ON THE RESPONSES WE SEE TONIGHT, WE THINK WE HAVE GOTTEN CLOSE. WE BELIEVED UNTIL 3:00 P.M. THIS AFTERNOON THERE WAS NO OPPOSITION, SO, AGAIN, WE'LL ADDRESS WHATEVER CONCERNS COME UP AS IT RELATES TO THE LETTERS THAT YOU RECEIVED, THEY'RE NEWS TO US THIS AFTERNOON. BUT, WE'RE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE AS

THEY RELATE TO THE REAL ESTATE. >> QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT?

>> WHAT'S Y'ALL'S POSITION AS FAR AS MINIMUM ONE ACRE?

>> THE REASON IT WAS RESUBMITTED, AND I SHOULD PROBABLY LET THE ENGINEER AND THE DEVELOPER TO SPEAK TO THE REASON THE LOT LINE ARE STILL THE WAY THEY ARE. BECAUSE IT'S THE WAY IT ACTUALLY WORKS. BUT, YOU GUYS WANT TO TALK TO THAT?

>> WOULD YOU LIKE TO SPEAK TO THAT?

>> SURE. GOOD AFTERNOON, 1600 CREEKWOOD. THE REASON WE HAVE THE LOTS THAT ARE LESS THAN ONE ACRE HAS TO DO WITH ONE OF THE SISTERS IS KEEPING THE ORIGINAL HOME AND A COUPLE OF ACRES, AND BETWEEN THAT AND SOME OF THE TOPO SQUEEZES US. IT LOSES FOUR LOTS, DOESN'T LOSE ANY INFRASTRUCTURE, AND THOSE LOTS ARE WEIRD LOOKING, IF YOU WILL, BECAUSE IT JUST DOESN'T LIKE, OH, HERE TAKE THIS ONE LOT AND DIVIDE IT UP AND WE'VE LOOKED AT IT SEVERAL WAYS. WE FELT FOR THE BEST FLOW AND THE BEST LOOK, THAT WHAT WE HAD ORIGINALLY WAS THE BEST ONE. SO THAT'S WHAT WE WOULD, OF COURSE, PREFER. AND, BECAUSE LIKE I SAID, IT'S JUST WEIRD HOW IT LAYS BACK OUT WHEN YOU HAVE TO CHANGE IT TO ONE ACRE, BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO REMEMBER WE'RE DEALING WITH THIS PROPERTY TAKING IN THE CERTAINTY AND TOPO ISSUES ALONG THE WAY.

>> ANY OTHER QUESTION? >> THANK YOU.

>> I DO WANT TO COME BACK AFTER PUBLIC HEARING.

>> OKAY. >> JULIE CRANE AND ROBERT CRANE

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BOTH SUBMITTED LETTERS OF OPPOSITION AT 4650 STOUT ROAD.

ALICE LANE. MA'AM, WILL YOU COME STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS. YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES.

>> ALICE LANE. 4821 STOUT ROAD. I'M DISAPPOINTED THE APPLICANT HAVEN'T DISCUSSED ANY OF OUR ISSUES. I UNDERSTAND THAT THERE'S ALWAYS THE OPTION THAT HE COULD WAIT AND INCREASE DENSITY LATER WHEN THERE'S A SEWER, I CAN'T CONTROL THAT.

WHAT I'M HERE TO SAY IS WE LIVE IN THE SMALLEST LOT ON THE ROAD AND WE HAVE LESS THAN AN ANCHOR, AND WE'RE GRANDFATHERED IN WITH OUR SEPTIC. BUT THE ROAD CUTS ACROSS THE PROPERTY, IT'S NOT BUILT IN THE ROADWAY IT'S BUILT IN OUR PROPERTY. IF THAT ROAD IS WIDENED OR IMPROVED, IT'S GENERALLY ON OUR SIDE OF THE ROAD BECAUSE IT'S HIGHER. IT'S GOING TO TAKE MORE OF OUR LAND, WHICH MEANS I HAVE EVEN LESS THAN AN ACRE. IF WE WANT TO UPDRAT AND WE'VE UPGRADE, MR. WICKLIFFE. WE WANT THE ABILITY TO UPGRADE AND RIGHT NOW WE DON'T MEET THE CRITERIA TO DO SO. SO, THAT'S WHAT I'M HERE TO SAY. IS IF HE GETS TO DO IT, WE

WANT TO TOO. >> THANK YOU, MA'AM.

>> THANK YOU. >> THOSE ARE ALL THE ONES THAT I HAVE SUBMITTED THAT EITHER HAVE REMARKS OR WANTED TO SPEAK.

SO, DID I UNDERSTAND THAT YOU WANT TO COME BACK IN THE PUBLIC

HEARING? >> YES, SIR.

>> OKAY. COME BACK UP. >> OKAY. SO, BACK TO THE 3/4 ACRES IS ONE OF THE THINGS WE DO HAVE THE UTILITY EASEMENT THAT COMES DOWN TO ONE SIDE THAT ENCOACHES INTO THE PROPERTY SO THAT IS PART OF WHAT CREATES THE ISSUES OF HAVING VERY IRREGULAR

LOTS AND CREATED THE 3/4 DEAL. >> WHERE WOULD THAT BE?

>> IT RUNS ALONG STOUT RIGHT ALONG THIS EDGE HERE.

>> OKAY. >> SEE HOW THIS STARTS CUTTING

IN? >> YES.

>> SO WHEN YOU START PLAYING WITH THAT, IT SEEMS TO MAKE WEIRD LOOKING LOTS, I GUESS I SHOULD SAY. THE OTHER THING I WANTED TO POINT OUT THAT CAME UP IN THE LAST MEETING WHEN WE WERE HERE BACK IN JULY, IS THERE'S A CONVERSATION ABOUT HEAVY CONSTRUCTION ON STOUT. I HAVE MET WITH TIM AND MR. RAYFIELD ON THE WAY WE INTEND TO ACCESS, IS WE'RE GOING TO COME OFF THE GRAVEL ROAD AND CREATE AN ENTRANCE TO BRING ALL THE CONSTRUCTION IN AND OUT AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE. WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO BRING EVERYTHING THROUGH THE SUBDIVISION AND STAY OFF OF THAT PORTION OF STOUT. BECAUSE THAT PORTION OF STOUT IS NOT IN THE BEST SHAPE IN THE WORLD. AND WE'RE DOING THAT, WE'RE TAKING THE GRAVEL AND PUTTING IT BACK DOWN AS FAR AS IT WILL GO DOWN THEIR ROAD THAT THE MAZES, THE RAYFIELDS AND THE BENTLEYS HAVE.

THE OTHER THING I WANTED TO POINT OUT IS THAT AT THE LAST MEETING, I TALKED TO MARCOS. FROM JULY, WHEN WE WERE HERE PAST, OF LAND THAT WAS ON THE SAME ZONING OR HIGHER THAT HAS BEEN CHANGED TO ONE-ACRE OR LESS. THERE'S BEEN 11 PROPERTIES AND THERE'S BEEN A BUNCH SINCE THEN BECAUSE Y'ALL KNOW BECAUSE Y'ALL SEE THEM. AT THE END OF JULY, THERE WERE 11 PROPERTIES IN THE LAST TWO YEARS OUT OF THAT 11, HALF OF THEM WERE EVEN LESS THAN AN ACRE. PART OF OUR MINIMUM OF AN ACRE, BUT EVEN HALF OF THAT WAS LESS THAN. AND A PRIME EXAMPLE OF THAT WOULD BE THE VILLAS IN SUMMERCREST, IN THAT AREA.

THOSE ARE 70-FOOT LOTS. GRANTED THEY HAVE SEWER. MY DEAL WHEN I

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WAS MEETING AND I MET WITH A LOT OF THE NEIGHBORS, NOT EVERYBODY MET, AND I KEPT SAYING I WOULD MEET WITH ALL THE NEIGHBORS, BUT SEVERAL OF THE NEIGHBORS OUT THERE SAID NO, WE'VE BEEN TALKING TO EVERYBODY ELSE, WE'RE ALL UNDERSTANDING. IS THE DEAL WAS IS THAT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WAS EXPLAINED AND I'VE TALKED TO COUNCIL MEMBERS AND THE MAYOR, IS THAT I WAS TRYING TO BRICK A BUFFER, THE DEAL IS I'M WITHIN THE SEWER LIMITS RIGHT NOW AND I'VE ASKED NOT TO CONNECT TO SEWER. WITH DIAMOND J SOUTH COMING IN WITH 560-SOMETHING HOMES. THEY ORIGINALLY COMMITTED WITH 500 TO 600 HOMES. AND THERE'S 80 ACRES BETWEEN DIAMOND J SOUTH AND THE NORTH SIDE OF ME ON STOUT ROAD THAT HAS THE FUTURE LAND USE PLAN WE FELT LIKE WE WERE PUTTING IN A NICE BUFFER VERSUS, THIS COULD SELL TO SOME OTHER DEVELOPER THAT SAYS HEY, WE'RE WITHIN SEWER AND WE'RE GOING TO WANT 70-FOOT WIDE LOTS AND BRING 150 HOMES IN HERE. AND SO, YOU KNOW, IT'S THAT DEAL OF I KNOW PEOPLE DON'T LIKE CHANGE.

BELIEVE ME, I USED TO LIVE IN THE COUNTRY. I PUT IN A VERY SMALL DEVELOPMENT, NINE LOTS WHERE I LIVE. AND EVERYTHING BLEW UP AROUND ME. SO, I MEAN, I UNDERSTAND THE FEELING. BUT I'M TRYING TO BRING WHAT I THINK WOULD BE A NICE SUBDIVISION AND A NICE BUFFER FROM THE HEAVY DENSITY JUST NORTH OF US TO THE LARGER TRACKS BEHIND ME. SO, FOR THAT REASON, I WANT TO ANSWER SOME OF THE QUESTIONS FROM THE PAST THAT WERE BROUGHT UP AND IF THAT TRIGGERS MORE MEMORIES, BECAUSE THOSE WERE THE ONES THAT I CAN REMEMBER FROM THE MEETINGS BEFORE OF HOW WE WERE TRYING TO NOT DAMAGE STOUT ROAD ANYMORE THAN IT WAS. AND STUFF LIKE THAT, THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY. ANY OTHER

QUESTIONS? >> QUESTIONS?

>> I TOTALLY AGREE WITH YOU ON THE BUFFER TO WHAT'S COMING, IT'S INEVITABLE, IT'S GOING TO BE THERE NO MATTER HOW LONG THE ZONES TAKES OR REVISION OR HOWEVER IT'S GOING TO BE. I GUESS, I MOO BIGGEST, AND I SAID THIS THE LAST TIME IS THE CREATION OF A FLAG LOT ON THE EXISTING LOT. YOU HAVEN A ACCESS DRIVE WITH VERY LITTLE FRONTAGE TO THE ROAD THAT CREATE

AS LOT SURROUNDED BY OTHER LOTS. >> THAT, I UNDERSTAND AND THAT I'M NOT HAPPY ABOUT. BUT I ALSO HAVE NO CONTROL OVER THAT. WHEN YOU HAVE FOUR ERRORS AND ONE SAYS I WANT THIS, AND THAT'S ALL SHE WANTS, I MEAN THAT'S I'M KIND OF STUCK WITH IT. SO, THERE'S NO, THEY WON'T TAKE ANYMORE LAND SO YOU COULDN'T GET RID OF THE LOT BETWEEN THAT AND THE ROADWAY AND THAT'S THEIR

DIRECT ACCESS? >> CORRECT.

>> WE'VE OFFERED THAT TO THEM. JUST TAKE THAT LOT RIGHT THERE IN FRONT OF HER, TAKE THAT WITH IT. THEY'RE NOT -- FOR SOME REASON, I DON'T KNOW WHAT REASON, BUT FOR SOME REASON IT'S

NOT AN OPTION. >> UNDERSTOOD. UNDERSTOOD. I

SEE ISSUES WITH THAT. >> I UNDERSTAND. WHO KNOWS? THERE'S ALWAYS A WHOLE LOT OF WHAT IF'S AND COULD BE'S DOWN THE ROAD AND I THINK WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN, IS MY PERSONAL, FAMILY FARM BEEN IN MY FAMILY SINCE 1857, IT WAS SOLD WHEN I WAS A YOUNG MAN. AND, THERE WAS FAMILY HOME WAS KEPT LIKE THIS.

AND WHAT THEY REALIZED, THE HEIR THAT KEPT IT WHAT THEY REALIZED LATER, IS THEY WANTED TO REMEMBER THAT FARM AND EVERYTHING, IS ONCE THOSE HOUSES START COMING IN, IT'S NOT THE FARM ANYMORE. SO, I THINK WHAT WILL END UP HAPPENING IS YOU'LL SEE THAT END UP SELLING AND I THINK WHAT WOULD BE SMART WOULD BE PROPERTY, THE PEOPLE JUST NORTH OF IT ACQUIRING IT, NOW, WETHER OR NOT THAT HAPPENS, I DON'T KNOW. IF IT HAPPENS WHEN I'M IN THE DEVELOPMENT OF IT, AND THEY SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT, WE DECIDED I DON'T WANT THIS, I WILL BE THE ONE BUYING IT. BUT THERE ARE IT WHOLE LOT OF WHAT IF'S AND ANYTHING CAN HAPPEN.

>> OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? >> I GOT ONE QUESTION FOR YOU.

>> IF WE'RE GOING TO REQUIRE TO BE A MINIMUM OF ONE ACRE IS THAT

A DEAL KILLER FOR YOU? >> WITH THE PRICING OF PIPE AND

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EVERYTHING, WHICH I JUST PURCHASED MY PIPE BECAUSE THEY'RE OUT OF RESIN. I DON'T SAY YES, BUT UNTIL I GET MY NEW COST IN, BECAUSE WE RAN COST AFTER THE LAST MEETING OF DOING THAT. AND I KNOW, YOU GUYS, AND YOU SHOULDN'T WORRY ABOUT PROFITS, BUT WE'RE NOT A NON-PROFIT ORGANIZATION. SO THERE'S GOT TO BE A PROFIT, IT HURT BAD LOSING FOUR LOTS AND NOT LOSING ANY INFRASTRUCTURE COST. I CAN'T SAY EITHER WAY, IT'S ONE OF THOSE THINGS WHERE I'LL HAVE TO WAIT FOR SEWER TO COME TO US AND WE'LL HAVE TO BRING IT IN FOR MORE DENSITY, IF I LOOK AT THE WAY IT'S LAID OUT, ALL OF THAT ENDS UP TURNING INTO LOSING FOUR LOTS OUT OF 34 LOTS MAKE IT IS TO 30, CHANGES NOTHING ON INFRASTRUCTURE RIGHTS. NO PAVING OR WATER OR NADA. I JUST PAID 374 OR 375 A PIPE.

>> I'VE BEEN HEARING THAT. >> MY TEAL WAS I WAS GLAD TO GET IT. I UNDERSTAND IF THAT'S THE WAY YOU GOT TO APPROVE IT, WE'LL ACCEPT IT AND REWRITE NUMBERS AND SEE IF WE CAN MAKE

IT WORK. >> OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS?

>> THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU.

>> OKAY. NOT HAVING ANYTHING ELSE, I WOULD ENTERTAIN THE MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.

>> I MOTION. >> SECOND. I HAVE A MOTION AND IS SECOND TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. THOSE WHO AGREE SAY

AYE. >> (CHORUS OF AYES).

>> ALL RIGHT, THE PUBLIC HEARING IS CLOSED. OPEN UP FOR

DISCUSSION. >> SO, STOUT ROAD, IS THAT A

GRAVEL ROAD? >> IT'S A PAVED ROAD.

>> ARE THERE ANY PLANS TO IMPROVE THAT ROAD WITH THIS

SUBDIVISION COMING IN? >> NO. LIKE WIDENING THE ROAD.

NO, MA'AM. IT'S BEEN OVERLAID BY THE CITY NOT LONG AGO AND THE CITY WILL CONTINUE TO MAINTAIN THE ROAD, PHOT FUR OVERLAYS WILL PROBABLY OCCUR, BUT NO, NOT FOR THIS NUMBER OF LOTS DOES IT TRIGGER HAVING TO WIDEN IT OR DECELLERATION LANES OR ANYTHING

LIKE THAT. >> AND THERE'S NO PROBLEM WITH GETTING FIRE TRUCKS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT DOWN THERE?

>> NO, MA'AM. AS FAR AS WIDTH-WISE, I DID NOT GET THAT INDICATION FROM OUR FIRE MARSHAL OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT THAT IT'S

DIFFICULT TO TRAVEL DOWN. >> ONE MORE THING, THEY SAY PART OF THIS IS IN THE FLOOD PLAIN IN THE FEMA?

>> YES, MA'AM. >> WHERE IS IS THAT?

>> EVERYTHING THAT YOU SEE IN BLUE, THAT'S ALL PART OF THE FLOOD PLAIN THAT RUNS IN THIS AREA IN THIS SAME LOCATION.

THEY MADE THAT IT'S OWN INDIVIDUAL SEPARATE LOT TO GET IT AWAY FROM ANY OF THE EXISTING LOTS AND THEY JUST MADE IT IT'S OWN LOT FOR DETENTION PURPOSES ALSO.

>> OKAY. THANK YOU. >> AND THEN, BROUGHT UP A POINT THAT I'VE BEEN THINKING ABOUT BUT FIRE ACCESS TO THE EXISTING RESIDENTS. WILL IT BE FIRE ENGINE PULLS DOWN THE DRIVEWAY, THEY HAVE THE ROOM TO DO THAT. WOULD THEY HAVE TO PULL FROM A HYDRANT IN BETWEEN SOMEBODY'S LOT. WILL TLB A HYDRANT ADDED

TO THE HOMESITE ITSELF? >> YEAH, THE TYPICAL RULE IS 6 HUNDRED FEET. I MEAN, THEY'RE GOING TO BE REQUIRED TO INSTALL FIRE HYDRANTS THROUGHOUT THE AREA. THIS ISN'T OUR WATER, IT SHOULD BE ELM'S WATER. BUT THEY WOULD ADHERE TO SARDES' REQUIREMENTS. IT'S PART OF RDSD SO THEY HAVE TO ADHERE TO THE NUMBER OF FIRE HIYDRANTS THAT AE REQUIRED. ALL OF THAT WILL ABSOLUTELY BE TO OUR CODE. ABSOLUTELY.

>> OKAY. >> YES, SIR.

>> BUT, I THINK YOUR CONCERN IS ARE THEY GOING TO HAVE TO GO INTO THE SUBDIVISION TO HOOK A HYDRANT TO GET BACK OUT TO THEM,

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IS THERE ACTUALLY A HYDRANT ON STOUT ROAD, RIGHT?

>> I DON'T HAVE THAT. >> THERE IS A FIRE HYDRANT THERE. I PAID TO HAVE A HIRE HYDRANT THERE, RIGHT IN FRONT OF MY PROPERTY. I PAID ALSO FOR ALL THE EXTRAS.

>> AND, JUST TO KIND OF ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, IT'S PART OF THE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS, ZONING IS LOOKING AT 30 THOUSAND FEET UP IN THE AIR. WHAT HAPPENS NEXT IS IF THIS IS APPROVED, THEY GO THROUGH A CIVIL PROCESS WHEN WE LOOK AT THE PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE, THAT'S WHEN WE FIGURE OUT WHAT FIRE HYDRANTS ARE NEEDED, WHERE THEY NEED TO BE LOCATED, WATER FLOW, ET CETERA. SO, THAT'S STILL STILL PRELIMINARY AT THIS POINT. ALL OF OUR ENGINEERING REQUIREMENTS, THIS WILL ALL BE LOOKED INTO WITH MORE DETAIL WHERE THIS WILL BE REQUIRED TO GO TO MEET THE REQUIREMENTS FOR FIRE REQUIREMENTS.

>> ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS OR DISCUSSION?

>> WHAT'S THE PLEASURE OF THE COMMISSION?

>> I WANT TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THIS PER STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION THAT TEST AT LEAST A MINIMUM OF 1 ACRE.

>> I SECOND. >> WE HAVE A MOTION AND A

SECOND. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION. >> IF NOT ALL IN FAVOR OF THE

MOTION SAY AYE. >> (CHORUS OF AYES).

>> ANY OPPOSED. >> IT'S UNANIMOUS.

>> OKAY. THAT'S ALL WE HAVE FOR YOU TONIGHT. WE HAVE NO

OTHER COMMENTS. >> OKAY. STAFF DOESN'T HAVE ANYTHING. COMMISSIONERS, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO BRING UP?

>> I ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO ADJOURN.

>> I HAVE A MOTION

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