[Call to Order, Invocation, and Pledge of Allegiance.]
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>> GOOD EVENING. IT IS 6:00 P.M. TUESDAY, JANUARY 24, 2023. I CALL THIS SESSION OF THE MIDLOTHIANF CITY COUNCIL TO ORDER.
IF COUNCILMAN SIBLEY WILL LEAD US IN THE INVOCATION AND
PLEDGES, PLEASE. >> LET'S PRAY.
HEAVENLY FATHER, WE THANK YOU FOR THIS DAY, WE THANK YOU FOR THIS RAIN. WE THANK YOU FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY TO COME HERE TONIGHT TO DO THE WORK FOR THE CITIZENS IN THIS COMMUNITY. IT IS SOMETHING WE REALLY HAVE CONCERNS THAT WE NEED TO ADD ADDRESS, AND WE WANT TO DO IT RESPECTFULLY AND COMPLETE OUR JOB AS COUNCILPEOPLE WORKING FOR THE CITIZENS OF MIDLOTHIAN AND DO WHAT'S RIGHT FOR EVERYTHING THAT IS GOING ON. ASK THIS IN JESUS' NAME.
AMEN. >> I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS ONE NATION UNDER GOD INDIVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. HONOR THE TEXAS FLAG.
I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THEE. TEXAS, ONE STATE UNDER GOD, ONE
AND INDIVISIBLE. >> THANK YOU.
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ITEM 2023-024. CITIZENS TO BE HEARD.AT THIS TIME, COUNCIL INVITES CITIZENS TO ADDRESS THE COUNCIL ON ANY TOPIC NOT ALREADY ON THE AGENDA.
YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES. PLEASE GIVE YOUR NAME AND LOCATION. AT THIS TIME, WE HAVE ONE PERSON SIGNED UP. WAYNE LUBENER.
DID I SAY THAT CORRECTLY? >> YES.
>> GO FORWARD. YOUR MIC IS ON.
>> CAN YOU HEAR ME? >> WE CAN HEAR YOU FINE.
>> OKAY. THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRAYER, SIR.
THREE SHORT QUESTIONS. I HOPE THEY DON'T TAKE MORE THAN A MINUTE APIECE. STATEMENTS, ACTUALLY.
ONE STATEMENT TO, GIESS, I GUESS, THE CITY ATTORNEY IS.
THERE ANYTHING YOU CAN DO ABOUT THE OVEREXERTION OF AUTHORITY TO THE POINT OF HARASSMENT BY H.O.A.'S? SECOND STATEMENT, I HAD GUNSHOTS BEHIND ME HOUSE... MY HOUSE ABOUT TWO MONTHS AGO ON A WEDNESDAY NIGHT.
PROBABLY AROUND 10:00, 11:00. AT LEAST 20 GUNFIRES.
AND THEY WENT OFF IN THE DISTANCE.
I KNOW THEY WEREN'T STANDING STILL.
PROBABLY A CAR CHASING ANOTHER CAR.
I DON'T KNOW. THIRD STATEMENT: THAT SIREN THAT STANDS BY MY BACK DOOR SO TO SPEAK, ACROSS THE STREET, THE WARNING SIGN, IT GOES ON WAY TOO LONG.
IT USED TO GO ABOUT A MINUTE OR LESS.
NOW IT GOES ON ABOUT TWO MINUTES.
MY DOG... THAT THING WENT ON AND ON AND ON.
NO WAY TO STOP IT. AND MY DOG SHORTLY AFTER THAT, SORT OF ACTED FUNNY AND WENT TO THE VET.
SHE WAS HAVING TROUBLE HEARING. SHE HADN'T HAD TROUBLE HEARING BEFORE THAT. I DON'T KNOW IF Y'ALL COULD ADDRESS THOSE ISSUES. MAYBE.
>> THANK YOU. THANK YOU, WAYNE.
WE HAVE BOTH POLICE CHIEFS BACK THERE.
I'M SURE THAT DULY NOTED, OUR ATTORNEY WILL RESPOND AS APPROPRIATELY AND STAFF HAS HEARD THE... THANK YOU.
[CONSENT AGENDA]
THE CONSENT AGENDA. ALL MATTERS LISTED UNDER THE CONSENT AGENDA ARE CONSIDERED TO BE ROUTINE BY CITY COUNCIL.THEY WILL BE ENACTED BY ONE MOTION WITHOUT SEPARATE DISCUSSION. IF DISCUSSION IS DESIRED, THEN THAT ITEM WILL BE REMOVED FROM THE CON SEN AGENDA AND WILL BE CONSIDERED SEPARATELY. IS THERE ANY REQUEST?
I'LL TAKE A MOTION. >> MOVE TO APPROVE.
>> SECOND. >> A MOTION TO APPROVE.
CONSENT AGENDA IS APPROVED, 6-0. REGULAR AGENDA.
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ITEM 2023028. CONSIDER AND ACT UPON A PROFESSIONAL SERVICE AGREEMENT WITH BGE FOR ENGINEERING-RELATED DESIGN SERVICES ASSOCIATED WITH THE SANITARY SEWER SYSTEM EXPANSION. IN AN AMOUNT NOT TO EXCEED[00:05:01]
$755,900. MIKE?>> THIS PAST APRIL, COUNCIL AUTHORIZED AN ASSESSMENT TO BE COMPLETED IN REGARDS TO THE EAST STATION.
IT WAS REALLY LOOKING AT THE SIZING AND THE PLANNING FOR THE EXPANSION OF THE STATION. THE STATION ITSELF, IF WE CAN GO BACK HERE REAL QUICK. THE STATION IS LOCATE WEST OF MIDLOTHIAN PARKWAY WHICH IS RIGHT HERE.
THIS IS NORTH. THIS IS WALGREEN'S.
IT IS TOUGH TO... IT IS KIND OF ISOLATED BACK IN THIS AREA.
THIS STATION ITSELF, THE OVERALL BASIN THAT IT SERVES IS IN THIS AREA RIGHT IN THROUGH HERE. IT IS A LARGE AREA THAT IT SERVES. IN THE CITY.
REALLY EVERYTHING ON THE EAST SIDE OF TOWN FLOWS DOWN.
IT GETS FORCED UP. TO THE EAST STATION.
IT GETS FORCED OVER THE HILL. THEN IT GRAVITIES TO THE WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT. IF COUNCIL WILL RECALL BACK YEARS AGO, THIS STATION WAS A CITY FACILITY.
THE CITY BUILT AND TURNED IT OVER TO THE RIVER AUTHORITY TO MAKE IT PART OF THE CREEK SYSTEM.
IF ALONG WITH TWO OTHER STATIONS.
AFTER SEVERAL YEARS, WE WENT BACK AND WE TOOK THOSE STATIONS BACK. BECAUSE NUMBER ONE, THEY WEREN'T REGIONAL IN NATURE. THEY WERE ONLY SERVING MIDLOTHIAN. NOT OTHER CITIES.
ORIGINALLY, THEY THOUGHT IT MIGHT SERVE MULTIPLE CITIES.
ALSO, JUST FROM A COST OF OPERATION AND EXPANSION, WE WANTED TO HAVE IT AS PART OF THE CITY FACILITY.
WE DO NOW HAVE THE THREE STATIONS BACK.
AS PART OF THIS DESIGN, IT WOULD BE LOOKING AT THE ULTIMATE BUILDOUT FOR THE STATION. WE ARE LOOKING AT 50 YEARS.
WE ARE DESIGNING FOR 50 YEARS. THEY ARE GOING TO BUILD IT FOR 50 YEARS. NOT THE PUMPS AND THOSE TYPE OF THINGS. THE STATION ITSELF, THE FORCE MAIN WHICH WOULD INVOLVE THE UP-SIZING OF THE EXISTING MAIN TO A 24-INCH AND THE INSTALLATION OF A 30-INCH DIAMETER GRAVITY MAIN. AND AGAIN, THE INTENT IS TO REALLY LOOK AT SIZE FOR THE ENTIRETY.
OF THE BASIN. THIS IS A SITE LAYOUT PLAN.
CONCEPTUAL OF WHAT THE STATION WILL ESSENTIALLY LOOK LIKE.
TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA. THIS IS THE EXISTING STATION RIGHT HERE. THERE IS THE EXISTING WET WELL.
AS IT CURRENTLY IS TODAY. THIS RIGHT HERE IS WHAT'S PLANNED FOR THE FUTURE WET WELL. YOU CAN SEE.
I MEAN, SUBSTANTIALLY DIFFERENT FROM A SIZE STANDPOINT AND A CAPACITY STANDPOINT. SO AGAIN, WE ARE LOOKING TO PLAN FOR 50 YEARS PLUS ON THE EXPANSION OF THIS FACILITY.
THIS ITEM IS BEING FUNDED THROUGH OUR IMPACT FEES.
THE STATION, AND THE MAINS ARE IDENTIFIED ON THE IMPACT FEE AS ELIGIBLE FACILITIES. WE WILL BE UTILIZING WASTEWATER IMPACT FEES TO COVER THIS COST. AND ALSO THIS ITEM WAS PRESENTED TO AND DISCUSSED WITH THE CITY COUNCIL UTILITY SUBCOMMITTEE AND UTILITY ADVISORY BOARD THIS PAST THURSDAY.
AND IT WAS THE UNANIMOUS RECOMMENDATION OF THE UAB TO BRING THIS ITEM FORWARD TO CITY COUNCIL FOR CONSIDERATION AND APPROVAL. AND WITH THAT, I WOULD BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT COUNCIL MAY HAVE.
>> ANY COMMENTS? >> DO WE HAVE A TIMELINE ON WHEN CONSTRUCTION OF THIS... I KNOW THIS IS FOR ENGINEERING.
>> YES, SIR. >> DO WE HAVE A TIMELINE OF WHEN WE WOULD LIKE TO GET THIS IN OPERATION?
>> WE... SO WITHIN THE CONTRACT ITSELF, WE DON'T HAVE TIMES AND MILESTONES. THAT IS SOMETHING WE WILL WORK WITH A CONSULTANT ON TO KEEP IT MOVING.
WE HAVE A PRETTY GOOD START ON IT AS IT STANDS.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT IS GOING TO KIND OF BE CONTROLLING...
THERE WILL BE SOME EASEMENTS WE WILL HAVE TO ACHOIR.
... ACQUIRE. IT WILL BE OUR GOAL TO HAVE SOMETHING MOVING BY THE END OF THE YEAR, IF POSSIBLE.
>> ONE OF THE... I'M ON THE UAB SUBCOMMITTEE.
I SAW THIS PRESENTATION. I DIDN'T ASK MANY QUESTIONS ALREADY. ONE THING I WAS THINKING ABOUT, WHEN WE WERE IN THE SUBCOMMITTEE MEETING.
ONE OF THE WASTEWATER SAID... THE QUESTION WAS ASKED WHAT CAPACITY IS IT AT RIGHT NOW? HE SAID ABOVE MAX WITH.
A TIMELINE NOT NECESSARILY BEING ESTABLISHED, WHAT IS, I GUESS...
I HATE TO SAY THE BAND-AID. BRIDGEWATER IS COMING ON-LINE.
THAT IS GOING TO IMPACT THAT STATION.
YES, SIR. AT THIS POINT, I DON'T THINK WE HAVE ANYTHING MORE ON THIS SLIDE.
THERE WE GO. SO AT THIS POINT, THE SOUTHEAST LIFT STATION IS SIZED DIFFERENTLY THAN THE EAST STATION. THEY WANTED THESE THINGS WHERE IF WE END UP HAVING BIG RAI RAINFALL, A LOT OF... THEN THE PUMPS WILL BASICALLY BE RUNNING PROBABLY MORE THAN WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE THEM RUN ON THOSE OCCASIONS.
THE INTENT WOULD BE TO TRY TO GET THIS, TO TRY TO GET THIS IN PLACE AND GOING AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.
>> DO WE HAVE A MOTION? >> SECOND.
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>> A MOTION TO APPROVE. SECONDED.
>> THANK YOU, COUNCIL. >> MIKE, CLARK AND I ATTENDED THE SUBCOMMITTEE THE OTHER DAY, AND THE PEOPLE WHO SERVED ON THAT WERE EXCELLENT. AND WATER IS A STRENGTH OF THIS CITY. I WAS... WHEN I FIRST BECAME MAYOR, OUR WATER DEMANDS AND NEEDS WERE 50 YEARS PLUS, HAVE BEEN ADDRESSED. A SHOUT-OUT TO YOUR GROUP THERE, MIKE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
>> THANK YOU, MAYOR. >> THANK YOU, MIKE.
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>> REGULAR AGENDA ITEM 2023-029. CONSIDER AND ACT UPON A RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING THE TEMPORARY WAIVER TO THE NOISE ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF MIDLOTHIAN.
>> MAYOR, COUNCIL, THANK YOU. THIS IS A SIMPLE REQUEST THAT SECTION 8.03.007, RESTRICTS HOURS OF CONSTRUCTION IN THE CITY OF MIDLOTHIAN. IT DOESN'T ALLOW BETWEEN 10:00 P.M. AND 7:00 A.M. WE HAVE KBC, A DISTRIBUTION CENTER UP OFF OF HIGHWAY 67. AND SHY LOW ROAD.
THE ZONING WAS APPROVED PROBABLY 12 MONTHS AGO.
THE CONSTRUCTION BEGAN WITHIN THE PAST... WELL, I MEAN, THEY HAD OVER 125 TRUCKS. THEY WANTED TO GET STARTED EARLY. THEY ARE REQUESTING A TEMPORARY WAIVER. THIS WOULD ONLY BE FROM JANUARY 25 THROUGH FEBRUARY 26. AND THIS IS SO THEY CAN GET THOSE POURS OUT OF THE WAY AND MOVE ON AND NOT DRAG THE CONSTRUCTION PROCESS OUT, JUST ELONGATE THAT PROCESS WITH.
THAT, I'LL ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. >> QUESTIONS, PLEASE.
>> ALL THAT CONCRETE, IS IT WALLS AS WELL AS FLOOR?
>> FOUNDATION AS WELL. AND WALLS.
A LOT OF CONCRETE. >> THE CORNER OF 67TH AND
SHILOH? >> WHERE THE DRIVING RANGE USED
TO BE. >> I THINK YOU ANSWERED MY QUESTION. THIS DOES HAVE A HARD STOP DATE?
>> YES, SIR. >> THERE ISN'T A NEIGHBORHOOD
RIGHT THERE. >> TO THE WEST OF THERE, YES,
SIR. >> THEY WOULD BE WITHIN EARSHOT,
YOU WOULD IMAGINE. >> YES, YES.
>> IS THAT THE ONLY NEIGHBORHOOD?
>> YES. THERE COULD BE SOME POSSIBLY...
IT WOULD BE DOWN TAYMAN. THEY ARE NOT RIGHT THERE.
HOPEFULLY, THEY WILL ONLY HEAR THE CONSTRUCTION THAT IS HAPPENING RIGHT TO THE WEST OF THE DEVELOPMENT.
ANY OTHER DEVELOPMENT WHERE THEY ARE POURING TO THE EASTERN SIDE OF THE DEVELOPMENT, HOPEFULLY, IT WON'T BE DIRECTED THAT WAY.
>> WHAT IS THE SOURCE OF THE NOISE? IS IT THE TRUCKS OR THE POURING OR WHAT?
>> WELL, IT IS PROBABLY GOING TO BE THE BACK-UP ALARMS. THE SOURCE OF THE NOISE. THAT IS WHY WE HAVE THAT
CONSTRUCTION HEAVY EQUIPMENT... >> OKAY.
>> THAT IS TYPICALLY TBHAS YOU ARE HEARING.
YOU ARE NOT HEARING NOISE FROM THE POURERS OR WORKERS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. THE MAIN REASON THEY WERE REQUESTING THIS IS SO THEY CAN GET OFF OF 67 OUTSIDE OF THE RUSH HOUR AND THAT COMMUTER TRAFFIC.
>> IS THERE ANY CONCERN ABOUT THE WEATHER?
I THINK I GAVE THEM THREE OR FOUR EXTRA DAYS.
THEY SAID THEY CAN GET IT DONE BY THEN.
>> YOU ARE EXPECTING... >> IS KBC HERE? YEAH. THEY CAN COME UP.
>> I HAVE ONE MORE. THIS MAY BE A DUMB QUESTION...
>> THAT IS OKAY. THERE ARE NO DUMB QUESTIONS.
>> IF THEY WERE NOT LOUD ENOUGH, WHY WOULD WE BE HAVING THIS
CONVERSATION? >> SO THAT IS ACTUALLY A VERY GOOD QUESTION. I WOULD LIKE TO BRING SOMETHING THAT WOULD ALLOW THE CITY MANAGER OR HIS DESIGNEE TO GRANT PEOPLE THE ABILITY TO DO CONSTRUCTION OFF HOURS.
THAT IS WHAT I HAVE SEEN IN OTHER CITIES.
WE WOULDN'T HAVE TO BRING IT TO YOU EVERY TIME.
REALLY WHEN YOU HIT THIS IS IN THE SUMMER.
WHEN YOU WANT TO POUR BEFORE IT GETS TOO HOT.
YOU RISK, YOU KNOW, PLASTER CRACKS AND SHRINKAGE CRACKS ON CONCRETE. EVERYTHING IS FINE AND DANDY UNTIL WE GET A COMPLAINT. ONCE WE GET A COMPLAINT, IT IS OUR LAW. THEN CARL GETS HIS GUYS OUT THERE. HE HAS TO SHUT THE PROJECT DOWN.
IF HE SHUTS THE PROJECT DOWN, THEY HAVE 50 CONCRETE TRUCKS THAT HAVE ORDERED THE CONCRETE. CONCRETE IS HARD TO GET.
THAT JUST THROWS A HUGE WRENCH IN A LOT OF PEOPLE'S COGS.
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WE WANT TO AVOID THAT. IF WE DO THIS, GIVE THEM A TEMPORARY BREAK, I CAN TELL CARL, IF YOUR GUYS GET CALLED, PLEASE EXPLAIN TO THE COMPLAINER THAT THEY HAVE A TEMPORARY WAIVER FOR THIS NOISE ORDINANCE. DOES THAT ANSWER THE QUESTION?>> YEAH. I MEAN, IN HERE IT SAYS PNEUMATIC HAMMER. UPI'M NOT AN EXPERT ON SOUND.
>> THAT FINAL THING IS THE USE OF WHICH MAKES LOUD OR UNUSUAL NOISE SHALL BE... THAT IS KIND OF A CATCH-ALL.
YOU KNOW, THE STEAM SHOVEL, I MEAN, THOSE... WE DON'T USE
THOSE A LOT ANY LONGER. >> I WOULD ADD ON THERE, YOU SEE A RESIDENTIAL HOME. IF THEY HAVE NAIL HAMMERS GOING NEXT-DOOR TO YOU... IT IS TRYING TO ENCOMPASS A LOT OF DIFFERENT TOOLS OF ANY KIND THAT WOULD BE USED IN THE CONSTRUCTION
PROCESS. >> IT IS ONLY A WAIVER FOR CONCRETE POURING AND CONCRETE TRUCKS.
NOT ANYTHING ELSE? F IF THEY HAVE THESE OTHER ISSUES OUT THERE, THE HAMMERS, THAT WOULD BE OUTSIDE OF THE
SCOPE. >> BUT IT LISTS HAMMERS.
>> NO. IT IS JUST RECITING THE ORDINANCE. IN THAT FIRST CLAUSE.
>> WELL, CLYDE, ON YOUR RESPONSE TO COUNCIL, THE CONSTRUCTION PEOPLE KNOW THE ORDINANCE IS RIGHT.
>> YES, SIR. >> THEY KNOW THEY SHOULDN'T BE MAKING NOISE OFF HOURS. I DO RECALL THERE WAS A COMPLAINT... A YEAR AGO IN HERITAGE ABOUT CONSTRUCTION
EARLY IN THE MORNING. >> YEAH.
YEAH. >> I WOULD ASSUME THAT REASONABLE STEPS WERE TAKEN TO ADDRESS IT.
>> YEAH. AND I MEAN, CARL CAN COME UP AND ADDRESS THESE. TYPICALLY, I THINK WHAT YOU ARE GOING TO SEE ARE THESE CONCRETE POURERS.
HERITAGE IS ANOTHER INSTANCE WHERE... I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY WERE POURING. I'M SURE THEY HAD HUNDREDS OF YARDS THAT MAY THE NEED TO POUR. TYPICALLY, YOU NEED TO POUR THESE IN A RELATIVELY SHORT ORDER.
USUALLY, YOU SEE THESE IN SUMMER.
I THINK THAT WAS IN THE SUMMER. Y'ALL WANT TO ASK QUESTIONS TO
>> WOULD THE APPLICANT COME FORWARD, PLEASE? YOUR NAME AND WHO YOU ARE WITH. THAT WOULD BE SUFFICIENT.
>> MAYOR, CITY COUNCIL, MY NAME IS JOHN RIGGINS.
I'M HERE ON BEHALF OF KBC WHICH IS OUR CLIENT.
>> I WOULD JUST LOVE SOME HELP UNDERSTANDING THE NEED FOR THE MONTH TIMELINE. LIKE, IS IT TO STAY ON AN OVERALL TIMELINE AND NOT GET BEHIND? OR DO YOU LOGISTICALLY NEED TO POUR EARLY IN THE MORNING AND
HAVE ALL DAY AND WHATNOT? >> UNIQUE SITUATION RIGHT NOW.
WE ARE ALL AWARE OF SUPPLY CHAIN ISSUES, MATERIAL SHORTAGE ISSUES. WE ARE IN WHAT THEY ARE CALLING A CONCRETE ALLOCATION WINDOW HERE.
THEY CAN'T TELL US WHEN IT IS GOING TO STOP.
IF WE WAIT TO PLACE CONCRETE WITHIN THE CITY ORDINANCE OF 7:00 A.M., WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN IS THOSE THAT CAN POUR AT 1:00 A.M., 2:00 A.M., 3:00 A.M., THEY ARE GOING TO GET ALL THE CONCRETE THAT IS AVAILABLE. BY THE TIME 7:00 COMES AROUND IN THE MORNING, THEY ARE OUT OF CONCRETE.
WE DON'T GET TO POUR. WE ARE BASICALLY OUT OF LUCK.
THE THOUGHT PROCESS HERE IS, HEY, LET'S ASK FOR A VARIANCE HERE SO WE CAN GET THE EARLY MORNING POURERS OUT OF THE WAY
>> YOU ASKED FOR A MONTH. IS THIS A 7-DAY A WEEK OPERATION
YOU ARE GOING TO BE DOING? >> NO.
IT IS A SIX. >> DAY OPERATION.
AS FAR AS THE POURERS ARE CONCERNED, WE WILL STICK TO THAT. IF WE GET TWO POURS A WEEK, THAT IS A TIME TO CELEBRATE. IT IS IN OUR BEST INTEREST TO
HURRY. >> HOW LONG DOES YOUR POUR LAST?
3:00 A.M. UNTIL WHEN? >> YOU ARE PLACING CONCRETE FROM ABOUT #-BG A.M. TO CALL IT NOON. THEN WE ARE FINISHING IT.
THEN YOU HAVE THE CONCRETE SAW THAT IS SHOW UP TO KEEP THE
CRACKS FROM HAPPENING. >> YOUR NOISE IS RESTRICTED TO
>> OKAY. >> JUST A POINT OF CLARIFICATION HERE. WHAT YOU ARE GOING TO HEAR IS MAINLY THE CONCRETE TRUCKS. WE HAVE GOTTEN WITH OUR SUPPLIERS TO DISABLE THE BACKUP ALARMS WHICH SET UP TEMPORARY LIGHTING ON SITE, FACING AWAY FROM THE RESIDENTS TOWARD 67, IF YOU WILL. SO THE TRUCKS CAN ACTUALLY TURN THEIR LIGHTS ON AS THEY PULL IN OFF THE SURFACE ROAD ON TO THE JOB SITE. HEADLIGHT POLLUTION.
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SHOULD BE A NONISSUE. BACK-UP ALARM SHOULD BE A NONISSUE. WE HAVE TAKEN STEPS TO MINIMIZE THIS. BEST WE CAN.>> AND THEN THE REST OF THE TIME, YOU WILL TIPTOE AROUND
THE... >> WE WILL TIPTOE THE BEST WE CAN. YES, MA'AM.
>> WAYNE. YOU HAVE A QUESTION?
>> I'M GOING TO MAKE A MOTION. >> MOTION, PLEASE.
>> SECOND. >> MOTION TO APPROVE.
ITEM PASSES 6-0. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
>> THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. >> THANK YOU, SIR.
[2023-030]
>> ITEM 2023-030. REVIEW AND DISCUSS THE CLOSURES OF ADDITIONAL EXISTING MEDIA OPENINGS AND OTHER IMPROVEMENTS ALONG THE U.S. HIGHWAY 287 IN PREPARATION FOR THE UPCOMING WORKSHOP MEETING WITH THE TEXAS DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION.
MAYOR AND COUNCIL, THIS IS AN ITEM AFTER THE LAST MEETING, WE DID REACH OUT TO TX-DOT. WE WILL HAVE A WORKSHOP SET UP.
IN TALKING WITH THE MAYOR, WE THOUGHT IT MIGHT BE GOOD TO HAVE SOME DISCUSSION AMONGST OURSELVES AND GET... IN PREPARATION FOR THE MEETING TO SEE IF THERE IS SOME COMMON IMPROVEMENTS, ET CETERA, THAT WE WOULD WANT TO ASK FOR, I GUESS, WHEN WE GET TO THAT FEBRUARY 7 MEETING.
SO IN ADDITION TO THAT, MIKE ADAMS HAS PUT TOGETHER SOME SLIDES ON... I THINK MOST OF US ARE AWARE OF WHAT THEY ARE CALLING MICHIGAN TURNAROUNDS. THEY ARE OUT CLOSE TO PRAIRIE RIDGE. YOU CAN SEE WHAT THOSE MAY LOOK LIKE ALONG THAT CORRIDOR WHERE TX-DOT HAD ASKED F ABOUT THE CLOSURES. SO WITH THAT, IT IS REALLY A DISCUSSION ITEM TO SEE IF THERE IS ANY CONSENSUS THAT COULD BE HAD AS WE APPROACH THAT FEBRUARY 7 MEETING.
AND MIKE, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE THAT SLIDE SHOW THAT YOU
CAN PULL UP. >> MIKE CAN SPEAK.
>> SO THIS IS WHERE THEY ARE SLATED TO SHUT THE MEDIANS DOWN.
THIS IS JUST A RANDOM MEDIAN BETWEEN PRESIDENTIAL AND THE CHURCH. THEN THEY ARE TALKING... I'M SORRY. THEY ARE SHUTTING DOWN THE CROSSOVER THERE. TO THE AIRPORT.
THAT IS WHAT WE DISCUSSED THE LAST TIME.
I GUESS BETWEEN EACH MEDIAN, OR OPENING, THERE IS APPROXIMATELY 2,200 SQUARE FEET. MIKE, IF YOU WANT TO TAKE THIS.
>> YES. I WANTED TO GIVE A ROUGH IDEA ABOUT THE DISTANCE IN BETWEEN THE MEDIAN OPENINGS.
SO BETWEEN PRESIDENTIAL PARKWAY AND THIS OPENING HERE WHERE THERE IS NO DRIVES, IT IS ABOUT .4 OF A MILE.
.7 BETWEEN MEDIAN OPENINGS. >> THEY ARE CLOSED OR YOU DO THE TURNAROUNDS, YOU WANT TO MAKE SURE YOU HAVE ENOUGH ROOM TO DO THE WEAVING, TO GET TO THE NEXT OPENING.
SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO CROSS A COUPLE OF LANES OF TRAFFIC AT HIGH SPEEDS. AND YOU DON'T HAVE THAT AREA...
THAT LENGTH TO BE ABLE TO MAKE THOSE MANEUVERS.
ONE THING WE WANT TO LOOK AT. THEY AREN'T TALKING ABOUT THE PRESIDENTIAL PARKWAY RIGHT NOW. AS IT CURRENTLY STANDS.
THE DEVELOPER OF BRIDGEWATER BUILT THE FRONTAGE ROAD HERE.
IF YOU ARE COMING OUT ON PRESIDENTIAL PARKWAY... FROM PRESIDENTIAL PARKWAY TO GET TO 287, YOU HAVE TO GO TO THE RIGHT. THAT THE POINT.
IT IS NOT WORKING REAL WELL. I HAVE BEEN OUT THERE A LOT OF TIMES. AND FOLKS ARE STILL SNEAKING THROUGH HERE. WE WILL GIVE TX-DOT... THIS NEEDS TO BE EXTENDED OUT. SO YOU HAVE ONE LANE THAT COMES THROUGH. THEN YOU CAN TRANSITION TO TWO LANES GOING TO THE NORTH. THIS IS TEMPORARY.
WHEN THE FRONTAGE ROAD GETS BUILT, THAT WILL GET TAKEN OUT.
THERE SOME... THERE IS SOME TYPE OF INTERCHANGE HERE.
WE WILL TALK TO TX-DOT ABOUT SOME THINGS.
RIGHT NOW, YOU HAVE A FREE LEFT TO BE ABLE TO GO.
AND A LEFT HERE. IF THEY ARE GOING TO CLOSE AND DO THOSE TURNAROUNDS, THEN PROBABLY COMING OUT OF THIS DEVELOPMENT, IT SHOULD BE A RIGHT TURN ONLY.
YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO CROSS TRAFFIC AND HAVE THAT LEFT TURN.
KIND OF MAKE IT SIMILAR TO WHAT'S HAPPENING HERE.
ON THE NORTH SIDE. AGAIN, THAT WAS ONE THOUGHT.
THIS IS THE MEDIAN OPENING THAT IS IMMEDIATELY TO THE SOUTH OF PRESIDENTIAL PARKWAY. RIGHT NOW, THERE IS NO DRIVES RIGHT THERE. SO REALLY, ON SOMETHING LIKE, THIS IT WOULD MAKE SENSE BASED ON THIS BEING... IF THIS BECOMESK A RIGHT OUT ONLY, THIS WOULD GIVE YOU THE ABILITY TO HAVE THAT TURNAROUND. AND BE ABLE TO TURN AROUND AND GO NORTHBOUND ON 287. THIS WOULD WORK FROM A STANDPOINT OF WHEN WE GET TO THIS NEXT INTERSECTION.
THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT CLOSING THIS COMPLETELY.
THIS MEDIAN OPENING. THIS WOULD PROVIDE FOR THE TURNAROUND TO BE ABLE TO GET TO FIRE FLY GARDENS.
IF YOU ARE HEADING NORTHBOUND. OR IT WOULD ALSO BE ABLE TO
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ALLOW FOR THE CHURCH TRAFFIC TO BE ABLE TO TURN AND AROUND AND HIT SOUTHBOUND ON 287. WHEN YOU LOOK AT THIS ONE, YOU WOULD HAVE RIGHT OUT ONLY. AND THEN WHAT WE WANT TO SEE IS IF, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING TX-DOT WOULD CONSIDER.IF EXTENSION OF THE LANES. WHEN YOU ARE GETTING INTO THIS CHURCH AND THIS USE HERE, YOU HAVE THE ABILITY TO GET OFF THE MAIN LANES AND TURN SAFELY INTO IT.
SAME THING COMING OUT HERE. IT WOULD BE NICE TO HAVE THE ACCELERATION LANE. SO YOU CAN GET UP TO SPEED BEFORE GETTING ON TO THE MAIN LANES.
AND THEN THIS IS AT REX ODOM. THE SAME THING.
SOMEWHAT SIMILAR TO WHAT THEY HAVE GOING INTO PRAIRIE RIDGE RIGHT NOW. EXCEPT FOR IT IS NORTHBOUND INSTEAD OF SOUTHBOUND. THIS WOULD ALLOW FOR THE TURNAROUND HERE. THIS, AGAIN, COMES INTO PLAY WHEN YOU HAVE A RIGHT TURN ONLY COMING OUT OF FIRE FLY GARDENS.
THAT BUSINESS. THIS WOULD ALLOW YOU TO BE ABLE TO TURN AND HEAD NORTHBOUND ON 287.
THIS WOULD STILL ALLOW FOR A LEFT TURN ON TO REX ODOM.
BUT THEN FROM REX ODOM TO 287, A RIGHT TURN ONLY.
FROM THAT POINT, AGAIN, YOU WOULD, YOU WOULD HAVE THIS HERE.
SO ON REX ODOM, THE ONE THING YOU RUN INTO, YOU HAD TO GO A PRETTY GOOD WAYS INTO THE NEXT TURNAROUND.
THAT WOULD BE THE ONE OVER HERE. THAT ONE COULD HAVE SOME CONCERNS ON THAT AS WELL. AGAIN, THE THOUGHT PROCESS WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, IF THERE IS... IF THE ACCELERATION LANE WOULD D BE TO EXTEND THE LANE SO YOU CAN'T GET UP TO THE SPEED THAT YOU NEED TO GET ON TO THE HIGHWAY.
THIS RIGHT HERE IS THE EXAMPLE OF... THIS IS THE CONCEPT PLAN THAT WAS DONE AT PRAIRIE RIDGE. IT IS IN PLACE NOW.
AND AGAIN, I'LL SHOW YOU SOME CLOSER ZOOMED- IN THIS IS WHEN YOU COME OUT OF PRAIRIE RIDGE.
YOU HAVE TO GO RIGHT. YOU HAVE TO GO ON 287.
EVERYTHING IS TO THE RIGHT. IF YOU ARE HEADING INTO PRAIRIE RIDGE FROM 287, YOU HAVE THE ABILITY TO GO LEFT HERE AND COME ACROSS. THEY ALSO DO ALLOW FOR THIS TURNAROUND MOVEMENT HERE, TOO. THIS CAN COME HERE.
YOU CAN TURN AND HEAD BACK TO THE NORTH.
AND AS YOU TURN OUT FROM PRAIRIE RIDGE, THEN THEY CLOSE THE FIRST MEETING OPENING JUST TO THE EAST OR SOUTH.
OF PRAIRIE RIDGE. SO THIS ONE, WHERE THEY CAME IN, THIS ALLOWS FOR THE TURNAROUND MOVEMENT.
ALL THE CARS HAVE TO COME TO THE RIGHT.
COME DOWN HERE. IT IS A GOOD DISTANCE AWAY.
YOU HAVE THE ABILITY TO BE ABLE TO MANEUVER AND GET OVER TO THE LEFT. YOU COME HERE AND BASICALLY COME HERE. THERE IS A LONG ACCELERATION LANE THAT WAS BUILT. IT IS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT WAS DONE BY THE DEVELOPER OF PRAIRIE RIDGE.
I DON'T KNOW THAT TX-DOT. THAT WAS FUNDED BY TX-DOT.
I DON'T BELIEVE IT WAS. THIS AERIAL SHOWS THAT.
THIS IS WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE. ALMOST COMPLETED.
BUT AGAIN, YOU SEE WHERE YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TURN HERE.
YOU HAVE TO GO RIGHT. THERE IS THINGS, AGAIN THAT, CREATE CHALLENGES. I MEAN, THERE IS A LOT... YOU KNOW, RIGHT NOW THEY HAVE... THE LITTLE VERTICAL PANELS THAT ARE HERE. IF YOU GO THROUGH THE INTERSECTION, A LOT WERE KNOCKED DOWN.
THEY ARE ON THE SIDE OF THE ROAD.
A CONTINUAL MAINTENANCE ISSUE THAT SOMEBODY WILL HAVE.
AGAIN, WHEN YOU DO THAT. I KNOW TX-DOT DOESN'T LIKE HAVING CURBS. IN SOME AREAS.
THEY HAVE MORE OF THE LAY-DOWN TYPE CURB.
AGAIN, THIS IS WHAT THEY PUT IN PLACE HERE.
AT PRAIRIE RIDGE. IN AN ATTEMPT TO TRY TO INCREASE SAFETY AND HAVE FEWER MOVEMENTS AT ONE INTERSECTION WITH A LOT OF TRAFFIC. AND THEN HERE IS WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE WHERE THEY HAD THE TURNAROUND.
AND AGAIN, THIS ONE... YOU KNOW, TO MAKE IT A TRUE TURNAROUND, YOU HAVE ONE ON THIS SIDE AS WELL.
RIGHT NOW THERE WASN'T A NEED FOR HAVING THIS MOVEMENT QUITE YET. THAT MIGHT BE COMING WHEN THEY START CLOSING ON THE WEST SIDE OF TOWN.
AGAIN, THESE WERE SOME DISCUSSION ITEMS TO TALK TO COUNCIL ABOUT. TO SEE.
AGAIN, ONE OF THE THINGS WE TALKED ABOUT INITIALLY WAS WHEN YOU CLOSE THEM IS ONE THING. YOU NEED TO MAKE SURE THERE ARE PLANS FOR IMPROVEMENTS AS WELL. WHETHER IT IS ACCELERATION, DECELERATION LANES. HOW CAN WE STILL MAKE IT SAFE IN JUST CLOSING THEM DOESN'T MAKE IT SAFE.
>> YOU STILL HAVE PLACES WHERE EVERYBODY IS GOING.
AND YOU DON'T HAVE THOSE IMPROVEMENTS.
SO AGAIN, THESE ARE SOME IDEAS IF YOU WANTED TO DISCUSS WITH
COUNCIL. >> IF I MAKE A POINT HERE, THE WORKSHOP IS DISCUSSED. TX-DOT'S REQUEST FOR CLOSURES.
THAT IS THE PURPOSE OF THE WORKSHOP.
TWO POINTS. THE BOARD WILL BE IN AGREEMENT WITH OURSELVES. THE LOUDER OUR VOICE WILL BE FOR TX-DOT. IT IS A GOOD TIME FOR US TO PUT ON THE TABLE SOME OPTIONS, SOLUTIONS PRIOR TO FRONTAGE ROAD. THE FRONTAGE ROAD IS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN ANY TIME SOON. IT WAS OUR LAST DISCUSSION.
COUNCIL, THIS DISCUSSION IS IN PREPARATION FOR THE UPCOMING
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WORKSHOP. SPHWHAIN WAYNE? I GO ALONG WITH EVERYTHING HE SAID THERE.OF COURSE, PUTTING THERE WOULD BE THE BEST THING.
THAT IS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN FOR MANY YEARS.
THE ACCELERATION OR DECELERATION LANES, THE TURNAROUND LIKE YOU GOT UP NORTH, TO ME, THAT IS THE ONLY THING WE CAN DO.
I DON'T THINK WE CAN AFFORD TO CLOSE THOSE INTERSECTIONS.
>> CLARK? >> WELL, IN THE PACKET, WE SAW THE PICTURE OF THE THREE CLOSURES.
I GUESS ON SOUTH 287. IN THE PREVIOUS PACKET, THEY THY WERE ALSO LOOKING AT THREE CLOSURES ON THE NORTH OF 287.
THAT IS STILL IN THE DISCUSSION. RIGHT? THIS PICTURE... NO. THAT IS OUT OF THE DISCUSSION?
>> SHUT DOWN CLINTON. >> PRIM ROSE.
WHAT ABOUT THE ONE IN FRONT OF THE APARTMENTS?
>> SORRY. I'M GOING ALL THE WAY NORTH.
>> YEAH. THERE WERE TWO ON THE WEST SIDE OF TOWN. THERE WERE FOUR ON THE EAST
SIDE. >> IS THAT STILL PART OF THIS
CONVERSATION? >> NOT THIS CONVERSATION.
THAT WAS PREVIOUSLY. THIS ONE IS COMING IN WITH THREE NEW ONES. THAT IS WHAT THEY WANT TO DISWAS
THEY ARE SAYING THEY WILL SHUT THOSE DOWN.
>> I THINK IT WAS LAST NOVEMBER THAT THE DIRECTION FROM COUNCIL AT THAT TIME WAS, YEAH, THOSE MEETING OPENINGS... MEDIAN
OPENINGS HAD CLOSURES. >> I'M ON THE SAME PAGE AS MR. SIBLEY. IT IS IMPORTANT FOR US... I AGREE WITH THE MAYOR. IT IS IMPORTANT TO ADVOCATE AS A UNIFIED VOICE. MY OPINION IS THAT THERE NEEDS TO BE FURTHER SOLUTION, NOT JUST SHUTTING THEM DOWN.
CARTE BLANCHE. LOOKING AT THE SITUATION AND EVALUATING THEM AND DOING WHAT'S BEST FOR FIRE FLY GARDENS, THE CHURCH AND OUR AIRPORT. IF THE ACCELERATION AND DECELERATION LANES IS THE BEST OPTION, I WOULD LIKE FOR US TO ASK FOR THE MOON. AND SEE WHAT WE DON'T HIT.
>> I WILL SAY IT IS INTERESTING TO ME BECAUSE I WOULD HAVE PROBABLY SAID AT THE MOST, TWO DANGEROUS TURNAROUNDS RIGHT NOW IS FIRE FLY AND I GUESS THAT IS PRESIDENTIAL... I MEAN, THOSE TWO. ESPECIALLY PRESIDENTIAL.
THEY ARE COMING DOWN OFF OF A BRIDGE RIGHT INTO THAT INTERSECTION. AS WE DISCUSS MAYBE SHUTTING ONE DOWN, AND INGUESS SINCE YOU... I HAVE SEEN MORE ENGINEERING AND ROADWAY WORK, ASSUMING WE SHUT ONE DOWN, THAT IS GOING TO MOVE THE PROBLEM TO THE NEXT ONE WE LEAVE OPEN, ISN'T IT, THOUGH? IF WE DO THESE MICHIGAN TURNAROUNDS.
THEN THE NEXT ONE DOWN IS GOING TO BE THE NEW PROBLEM.
EVERYONE WILL SHIFT DOWN. >> YES.
YES, SIR. THE CONCERN WOULD BE IF YOU D DO... YOU ARE EXACTLY RIGHT. LET'S GO BACK REAL QUICK.
THIS WILL BE A LITTLE BIT BETTER.
IF YOU HAVE THESE THREE, AND THEY ARE COMPLETELY SHUT DOWN.
YOU END UP... YOU HAVE NOW SENT EVERYTHING HERE TO PRESIDENTIAL PARKWAY WHICH ALREADY HAS QUITE A BIT OF TRAFFIC THAT IS THERE NOW. NOW YOU HAVE ALL THE TRAFFIC THAT IS COMING DOWN. IF YOU DON'T HAVE THE TURNAROUNDS, YOU WILL HAVE CARS BACKED UP AND QUEUED UP AND THEN TRYING TO ACCELERATE AND GET ON TO HERE.
THERE IS A LITTLE BIT OF AN ACCELERATION LANE THERE.
IT IS NOT, IT IS NOT REALLY THERE FOR THE NEED THAT WE WOULD NEED IT FOR. THE SAME THING KIND OF HAPPENS HERE. IF YOU HAVE THESE SHUT DOWN, NOW, THERE IS AN OPENING DOWN HERE IN SARDIS.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO EXIT AND GO BACK AROUND.
THAT WOULD BE KIND OF A MESS. AGAIN, IF IT IS NOT SET UP FOR THE TURNAROUNDS AS WELL, YOU ARE DOING SAME THING NOW.
YOU ARE MOVING IT OVER TO THE SOUTH PART AS WELL.
>> OFF THE MAP, YOU SHOWED US... YOUR PLAN WOULD BE SHUT THAT ONE DOWN. I'M SORRY.
MICHIGAN TURNAROUND, SHUT THAT ONE DOWN.
MICHIGAN TURNAROUND, ROUGHLY. >> YES, SIR.
>> OKAY. >> THEN LOOKING AT SOME IMPROVEMENTS HERE AT PRESIDENTIAL PARKWAY.
TO SOME SCALE. FROM THE STANDPOINT OF, AGAIN, YOU KNOW, MAYBE THIS MOVEMENT. YOU ARE MIRRORING WHAT YOU HAVE ON THIS SIDE NOW. YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TURN ONLY.
RIGHT TURN ONLY. YOU STILL WOULD HAVE... AGAIN, YOU COULD ALLOW FOR THE LEFT TURN.
IT IS A LITTLE SAFER. YOU ARE ONLY CROSSING ONE DIRECTION OF TRAFFIC. INSTEAD OF TWO.
AND MAKE THAT TURN. AGAIN, THE INTENT IS THAT BALANCE OF SAFETY FIRST. YOU WANT TO MAKE SURE YOU ARE LOOKING OUT FOR ACCESS TO THE BUSINESSES AS BEST YOU CAN.
SAFETY IS ALWAYS GOING TO TAKE THE PRECEDENT.
>> COME TO THE PODIUM, PLEASE. >> YOU DIDN'T SAY ABLE THE PEEPT GOING TO CROSS. THEY HAD TO GO AROUND?
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>> PLEASE COME TO THE PODIUM. >> SORRY.
>> THE INTENT WOULD BE THIS LANE RIGHT HERE WITH X'S THEY WOULD GO STRAIGHT AND BACK THIS WAY THROUGH.
EVERYTHING WOULD BE RIGHT. >> OKAY.
YOU ARE STILL GOING TO BE ABLE TO GO STRAIGHT THROUGH?
THAT WOULD BE THIS ONE RIGHT HERE.
YES, SIR. WITH THIS TURNAROUND.
>> I HAVE A QUESTION. >> I THINK CLARK CLARIFIED IT FOR ME. MIKE, WILL YOU GO BACK TO THE PICTURE OF WHERE YOU COULD SEE ALL THREE OF THEM? YEAH. SO IN EVERYTHING THAT YOU JUST WENT OVER, THIS IS Y'ALL'S RECOMMENDATION FOR AT LEAST SOME
IDEAS. >> THIS IS AN IDEA, YES, MA'AM.
>> OKAY. YOU ARE RECOMMENDING SHUTTING DOWN AND THEN MICHIGAN TURNAROUND FOR WHAT? WHICH ONE... I GOT CONFUSED ON WHAT WAS WHAT.
WHAT WAS ORIGINALLY LOOKED AT THERE... THIS WOULD HAVE THE TURNAROUND. THIS WOULD HAVE THE TROWN HERE WHICH WOULD SERVE. THIS ONE BEING CLOSED.
AND THEN YOU WOULD HAVE THE TURNAROUND HERE WHICH WOULD SERVE TO BE ABLE TO ALLOW FOR TRAFFIC TO GET BACK HERE.
YOU ALSO WOULD STILL ALLOW FOR THE LEFT TURN THERE.
>> THANK YOU. COME OUT OF THE AIRPORT AND GO
THAT IS A GOOD POINT. MAYBE YOU DO THE TURNAROUND HERE AS WELL. YOU DON'T HAVE ACCESS.
IT WOULD BE A TURNAROUND SO THAT FROM HERE, YOU DON'T GO ALL THE WAY DOWN TO HERE AND TURN AROUND?
>> SO ONLY... YOU WERE TALKING ONLY TURNAROUNDS.
AND PEOPLE AREN'T JETTING ACROSS.
IF YOU ARE ONLY DOING TURNAROUNDS, THEN IT IS AT LEAST HELPING US. THEY ARE NOT SHOOTING DOWN TWO
SIDES OF THE HIGHWAY. >> CORRECT.
THE ONE YOU WOULD STILL ALLOW FOR WOULD BE THE LEFT TURN TO BE ABLE TO GET TO REX ODOM. HEADING SOUTHBOUND, GO LEFT ACROSS. YOU WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO COME OUT AND GO LEFT ACROSS. YES, MA'AM.
>> I WANT TO MAKE SURE YOU CAN STILL GET INTO THE AIRPORT.
THROUGH THE SOUTHBOUND ROAD. >> YOU BRING UP THE GOOD POINT.
MAYBE IT MAKES SENSE. TO BE ABLE TO GO THROUGH.
YOU COULD COME IN AND LOOK AT DOING THE TURNAROUND AS WELL HERE. THIS COULD BE PULLED BACK SO THAT IT DOESN'T GET IN THE WAY OF TURNAROUND.
IF YOU ARE COMING FROM HERE AND YOU TURN IT AROUND IN HERE, YOU WILL HAVE ENOUGH TO WEAVE AND GET THROUGH.
>> I MEAN, I WOULD BE OKAY WITH THE... IF YOU ARE GOING DOWN JUST ONE MORE AND TURNING AR AROUND, BUT IT WOULD HAVE TO HAVE THE LONGER DECELERATION LANES.
IF YOU ARE TURNING INTO CREEKSIDE CHURCH FROM THIS SIDE, YOU COULD MAYBE STACK THREE OR FOUR CARS.
YOU KNOW, WITHOUT STICKING OUT INTO THE...
>> YES, MA'AM. THAT IS A GOOD POINT.
THE HOPE WOULD BE TRYING TO MIRROR SOMETHING SIMILAR TO THIS. AGAIN, I KNOW DEVELOPMENT PAID FOR. THAT YOU KNOW, THE HOPE WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, TX-DOT CLOSES THEM.
DO THEY HAVE FUNDS TO DO THESE IMPROVEMENTS? YOU DON'T WANT TO... YOU ARE EXACTLY RIGHT.
THAT IS A PRETTY LOOK DECELERATION LANE HERE.
THAT IS REALLY LONG. THAT IS GOOD.
IT ALLOWS CARS TO GET UP TO SPEED TO BE ABLE TO GET IN AND
MERGE INTO TRAFFIC. >> MY BIGGEST CONCERN WOULD PROBABLY BE THE FIRE FLY ONE. WHEN YOU ARE AT FIREFLY, YOU ARE GOING ACROSS FOUR LANES OF TRAFFIC TO GET BACK ON THE SOUTHBOUND. MY SISTER GOT MARRIED THERE.
I WILL TELL YOU, THE WORST THING ABOUT THAT TURN IS THERE IS NO LIGHT. AT LEAST WHEN YOU GET CLOSER TO PRESIDENTIAL, IT IS A LITTLE BIT LIT.
BUT NOT OUT THERE. IT IS HARD SO SEE SOMEONE.
TO ME, THAT WOULD BE THE MOST DANGEROUS INTERSECTION OUT OF ALL OF THEM. I'M FINE.
I DON'T HAVE A PREFERENCE AS FAR AS WHETHER TO SHUT IT DOWN OR DO THE TURNAROUND. BUT I WOULD SAY MY FOCUS IS MOSTLY ON THAT ONE. COMPARED TO THE OTHERS.
>> THE ACCELERATION, DECELERATION LANES ARE GOING TO CONNECT TO EACH OTHER BETWEEN PLACES.
>> AGAIN, THIS WAS JUST... IT MAY MAKE SENSE TO SHIFT SOME THINGS AND MAKE THEM A LITTLE BIT...
MAYBE THIS INTERSECTION HAS THE TURNAROUND.
OR... THIS IS SOMETHING TO PUT OUT THERE.
TO BE ABLE TO DISCUSS WITH COUNCIL AND TX-DOT.
AGAIN, WE ARE JUST PUSHING IT TO ANOTHER AREA.
THEN THE NEXT THING WILL BE LET'S SHUT THAT ONE DOWN.
THEN YOU HAVE TO GO TO GROVE ROAD.
AND THEN BUSINESS 287. THAT IS A LONG WAY TO GO.
YOU KNOW, PEOPLE WILL GET FRUSTRATED.
THEY WILL JUST KEEP GOING. WE WANT TO LOOK AT SAFETY AS A
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TOP PRIORITY. WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THINGSFUNCTION LIKE THEY NEED TO. >> TO ENSURE SAFETY, YOU PUT
YES, SIR. >> HOPEFULLY, WE ARE GOING FOR SOMETHING WE CAN GET OUT OF THEM.
SORRY FOR THIS REQUEST. WOULD YOU SUMMARIZE WHAT YOU HAVE HEARD US SAY? IN BULLET POINTS.
>> YES, SIR. SO AT PRESENTLY,...
>> THIS IS WHAT YOU HEARD COUNCIL FEEDBACK TO YOU.
>> COUNCIL IS IN GENERAL SUPPORT OF THE CLOSING WITH THE IMPROVEMENTS THAT WOULD ALLOW FOR THE TURNAROUNDS, THE EXTENSION OF ACCELERATION LANES AND DECELERATION LANES.
I THINK THERE IS GOINGK TO, AGAIN, I MAY BE KIND OF STEPPING OUT OF LINE ON THIS ONE. THE INTERSECTIONS OR THE MEDIAN OPENINGS ARE KIND OF FLUID TO WHERE WE WANT TO LOOKED A MAKE SURE THAT IT MAKES THE MOST SENSE THAT WOULD FUNCTION THE SAMEST. BUT ALSO THAT WOULD BE PRACTICAL AND WORK THE BEST. FOR THE AREA.
>> YOU ARE NOT TRYING TO INTERPRET... WHICH ONES HAVE WE SAID WE WANT TO CLOSE? ALL THREE OR TWO OF THEM?
>> I DON'T THINK WE SAID ANY OF THEM.
WE ARE GOING TO HAVE TURNA TURNAROUNDS.
>> ON ALL THREE OF THEM. >> ARE ALL THREE OF THEM GOING TO BE BOTH DIRECTIONS OR TURNAROUNDS JUST IN THE ONE DIRECTION THERE? AT ODOM? I JUST TRY TO CLARIFY WHAT COUNCIL IS GENERALLY SAYING.
>> I'M FINE WITH HOW HE HAS IT CURRENTLY.
DRAWN ON ALL THREE OF THEM. >> WEREN'T WE ADDING A U-TURN...
IT IS BASICALLY HOW IT IS PRESENTED, EXCEPT ADDING THAT U-TURN SO WE CAN COME OUT OF THE AIRPORT AND GO TO THE NEXT ONE
AND TURN AROUND. >> SO THERE WOULD BE ONE HERE.
A TURNAROUND THAT WOULD BE HERE. TO GO FROM NORTHBOUND TO SOUTHBOUND. SO THAT THE AIRPORT DOESN'T HAVE
TO GO ALL THE WAY DOWN. >> YEAH.
>> TO THIS ONE. >> THERE WOULD BE ONE HERE.
FOR NORTHBOUND TO SOUTHBOUND. THAT WOULD TAKE CARE OF THE CHURCH AREA. AND FOR TRAFFIC TO BE ABLE TO GET TO FIREFLY GARDENS IN THAT DIRECTION.
NORTHBOUND TO SOUTHBOUND. AND THEN WE TALKED ABOUT, AGAIN, LOOKING AT DOING RESTRICTING AT PRESIDENTIAL PARKWAY.
>> RIGHT. THE WORK YOU HIGHLIGHT THERE, I'M ASSUMING EVERYBODY IS OKAY WITH THE WORK THERE.
DEFINITELY. >> JUST TIGHTENING IT UP.
SO PEOPLE AREN'T JUTTING ACROSS. YEAH.
>> AGAIN, I'M JUST TRYING TO SUMMARIZE...
>> NOT TO MAKE IT MORE CONFUSING.
I'M SORRY. >> SO MIKE, WALK US THROUGH...
>> YES, SIR. THIS IS PRESIDENTIAL PARKWAY.
AGAIN, RIGHT NOW AS IT CURRENTLY, IS THE THOUGHT WOULD BE TO RESTRICT THE THROUGH TRAFFIC COMING FROM THE SOUTH.
THAT WOULD BE A RIGHT ONLY COMING OUT.
IT WOULD BE CONSISTENT WITH WHAT'S ON THE NORTH SIDE OF PRESIDENTIAL PARKWAY. KINDLE OF MIRRORING WHAT'S THERE NOW. AND THEN WHEN WE GET TO THE
NEXT... >> OH, SO EVERYBODY... OKAY.
>> OKAY. THIS IS THE NEXT MEDIAN OPENING.
THAT IS JUST TO THE SOUTH. THIS OPENING ITSELF WOULD BE SHUT DOWN. REALLY THERE IS NO DRIVES THERE FOR THE MOST PART. AND WE WOULD REQUEST THE TURNAROUND ALONG WITH THE DECELERATION AND ACCELERATION LANES. BOTH DIRECTIONS.
AT THAT INTERSECTION. THAT MEDIAN OPENING.
>> IS THERE CURRENTLY ANY DECELERATION LANES THERE?
>> I BELIEVE THERE IS RIGHT HERE.
WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT LENGTH IS ENOUGH TO ALOWSH FOR THE
VEHICLES TO MAKE THAT TURN. >> I MEAN, QUITE A BIT LONGER ON BOTH SIDES FOR THE DECELERATION AND ACCELERATION?
>> CORRECT. >> REALLY IT WOULD BE BASED ON THE SPEED. WHEN OFF SPEED THAT IS 55 MILES AN HOUR, OR 50 MILES AN HOUR. NO, 55.
>> WELL, IT IS SUPPOSED TO BE 60.
>> YEAH. WE WOULD ALMOST LOOK AT COMING IN AND SAYING, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW THE EXACT PARAMETERS HERE BUT IF THE SPEED LIMIT IS CONSISTENT WITH WHAT WE HAVE ON THE EAST SIDE, THEN THERE IS A REASON WHY THIS WAS THE LENGTH THAT IT IS. AND THIS WAS THE LENGTH AS WELL.
>> THERE SHOULDN'T BE ANY STACKING THERE.
LIKE, HOPEFULLY, THEY WILL LEARN THEY ARE JUST GOING...
>> CORRECT. WHAT I HAVE SEEN, CARS DON'T STOP AND AGAIN, THEY COME AROUND.
THEY MAKE THIS TURN. YOU KNOW, THEY ARE STILL MOVING.
THEY ARE GETTING UP TO SPEED THEN TO BE ABLE TO WEAVE INTO
TRAFFIC OR MERGE INTO TRAFFIC. >> SO SINCE WE ARE ON INTERSECTION TWO, SORRY. I THOUGHT I WOULD ADD, THE REASON... THIS CAME UP THE OTHER DAY.
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SOMEONE WAS COMPLAINING ABOUT HOW WE DON'T HAVE A RED LIGHT AT TOWER AND ON 66 #. THE REASON WE DON'T IS BECAUSE YOU TYPICALLY DON'T GET RED LIGHTS THAT CLOSE TO EACH OTHER.WE HAVE ONE ON THE OTHER END. IS PUTTING THIS MANY TURNAROUNDS CAUSING THE SAME EFFECT AS IF YOU HAD A STOP LIGHT EVERY THOUSAND FEET? YOU ARE BASICALLY CONSTANTLY...
IF WE HAVE ONE PERSON GOING RIGHT HERE AND THEN THE NEXT TURNAROUND, THE GUY IS COMING RIGHT.
THE NEXT TURNAROUND THE GUY IS COMING RIGHT.
ARE THEY CAUSING THE SAME PROBLEM AS IF YOU HAD STOPLIGHTS
EVERY THOUSAND FEET? >> OR IS IT CAUSING PEOPLE TO U-TURN AND THEN JET OVER TO THE FAR RIGHT TOO QUICKLY.
>> WELL, THAT IS WHAT WE WANT TO MAKE SURE OF.
FROM A SPACING AND DISTANCE STANDPOINT.
YOU KNOW, HOW FAR ARE THESE APART SO YOU AREN'T HAVING TO ALL OF A SUDDEN, GET ACROSS TWO LANES REALLY FAST AND THEN YOU ARE IN THE DECELERATION LANE. THERE IS A LOT OF THINGS WE CAN LOOK AT. THE INTENT WAS GOING TO BE, IS THIS A CONCEPT THAT COUNCIL IS SUPPORTIVE OF? AND THEN WE NEED TO GET WITH TX-DOT AND LOOK AND SEE.
THEY DO HAVE PARAMETERS THAT SAY IT SHOULD BE THIS LONG BASED ON THE SPEEDS YOU KNOW, WITH THE DECELERATION AND ACCELERATION.
>> SO MIKE, DO YOU ANTICIPATE HAVING MANY CONVERSATIONS IN
THESE NEXT TWO WEEKS? >> IS THAT ENOUGH TIME OR IS
THERE CONVERSATIONS FOR AFTER? >> WE CAN DEFINITELY REACH OUT TO TX-DOT. WE HAVE BEEN HAVING CONVERSATIONS AS WELL. WE CAN REACH OUT.
AGAIN, THEY MAY COME IN AND SAY, BASED ON OUR SPACING CRITERIA, YOU KNOW, THIS ONE WILL WORK. THIS ONE WON'T WORK THERE.
THEY MAY HAVE SOME INFORMATION THEY CAN PROVIDE BACK US TO AS WELL. BASED ON THEIR DESIGN MANUALS.
>> BUT TO... I GUESS TO MY POINT AND TO ANNA'S, IT IS A LITTLE CONFUSING. YOU SEE THREE TURNAROUNDS THERE.
REALLY THERE IS FOUR. AND THERE IS ANOTHER ONE RIGHT
>> I MEAN, THAT IS MY QUESTION. ONE HERE, ONE HERE, AND ONE HERE AND ONE HERE. IS THAT NOT GOING TO TURN INTO AN ISSUE IF OFF DECELERATION LANE AND THEN ANOTHER
DECELERATION LANE. >> I DON'T KNOW THE TRAFFIC STUDIES. DOESN'T IT MAKE MORE SENSE TO BREAK IT UP WHERE YOU HAVE A TURNAROUND, NO TURNAROUND, TURNAROUND. WE WILL HAVE TO FIGURE THAT OUT.
DOES IT MAKE MORE SENSE TO BREAK IT UP? IS IT NOT THAT MUCH DIFFERENCE IN THE IMPACT OF TRAFFIC?
>> SURE. I THINK THAT IS SOMETHING TO LOOK AT. AGAIN, I THINK, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW THAT... I DON'T KNOW WHAT TX-DOT IS GOING TO SAY ABOUT ANY OF THESE. TO BE ABLE TO GET THEM TO ACTUALLY DO IT FROM A COST STANDPOINT.
AGAIN, I CAN TELL YOU THAT IT TOOK A LOT TO DO THIS PROJECT HERE. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT COST WAS.
I'M SURE IT COST AN AMOUNT OF MONEY... AGAIN, IF WE CAN LIMIT IT TO, YOU KNOW, FEWER BUT STILL MAKE IT WORK.
PERFECTLY FINE AS WELL. AGAIN, THAT IS SOMETHING WE NEED TO GET A BETTER FEEL FOR. WILL THEY CONSIDER DOING IT? AGAIN, THEY WILL PROBABLY WANT A LIMITED NUMBER THEY WILL WANT TO
DO. >> DO WE WANT TO GO BACK TO
NUMBER TWO? >> GO BACK TO NUMBER TWO.
WALK US THROUGH. >> NUMBER TWO WOULD BE DOING THE TWO TURNAROUNDS HERE. THIS WOULD BE CLOSED.
AGAIN, THEN YOU HAVE THE TURNAROUNDS WITH ACCELERATION, DECELERATION LANES. THIS WOULD BE THE CLOSURE OF THIS ONE HERE, AND AGAIN, LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, THE INTENT OF... IF THERE IS A WAY TO GET A LONGER DESELL RATION AND ACCELERATION LANE ON BOTH SIDES, TO AHOUR FOR THAT TRAFFIC TO BE ABLE TO SAFELY MERGE INTO THE MAIN LANES.
AND THEN... I'M SORRY. >> BACK TO NUMBER THREE.
>> THIS IS THE ONE WHERE YOU MAY HAVE... FOR THE AIRPORT DIRECTION, TO BE ABLE TO HAVE SOMETHING SO THEY DON'T HAVE TO
GO AS FAR TO THE NORTH. >> WHAT ABOUT THE TURN THERE?
>> THIS WOULD BE DESIGNED SO IT WOULD BE FAR ENOUGH AWAY THAT YOU DON'T HAVE SOMEBODY THAT WANTS TO CUT ACROSS.
BECAUSE WE SEE THINGS HAPPEN QUITE A BIT.
>> BUT IF YOU ARE LEAVING FROM THE AIRPORT AND GOING TO FIREFLY, ARE YOU SAYING THEY CAN'T TURN AND GO STRAIGHT IN THERE JUST LIKE THE CHURCH TRAFFIC?
>> CORRECT. THE CHURCH TRAFFIC WOULDN'T BE
ABLE TO GET INTO HERE. >> NOT THE OTHER WAY?
>> THIS WOULD BE CLOSED. >> UNDER THIS SCENARIO, YOU WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO TURN LEFT INTO THE CHURCH OR LEFT ON TO FIREFLY. THAT ONE WOULD CLOSE.
YOU WOULD ONLY HAVE THE TURNAROUND.
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THE WAY IT IS PRESENTED RIGHT THERE.>> WE GO DOWN TO WHATEVER THE NEXT ONE IS.
>> YOU GO TO THE TURNAROUND AND COME BACK TO THE CHURCH.
IF YOU ARE GOING TO THE FIREFLY, YOU TURN AROUND AND COME BACK WITH. THIS PROPOSAL.
>> I'M PROBABLY ON THE MINORITY ON THIS ONE.
I ACTUALLY DON'T MIND SHUTTING THIS ONE DOWN.
I MEAN, IF WE CAN FIND A CREATIVE SOLUTION, I DON'T WANT TO HURT EITHER ONE OF THE BUSINESSES.
THAT IS 100% THE MOST DANGEROUS INTERSECTION OUT OF ALL OF THEM.
>> IF THEY HAD TURNAROUNDS OR U-TURNS, DO YOU FEEL LIKE THAT
WOULD HELP WITH THAT? >> I'M OPEN FOR CREATIVITY.
WHATEVER WE CAN DO TO MAKE SURE EACH BUSINESS CAN OPERATE.
I CALLED THE CHURCH A BUSINESS. I SHOULD HAVEN'T DONE THAT.
THE CHURCH AND THE BUSINESS. >> YOU WOULD ALSO HAVE TO PUT A WALL UP OR SOMETHING. WHAT WOULD KEEP PEOPLE FROM GOING STRAIGHT INTO FIRE IT IS FLY?
>> YES. I THINK ON SOMETHING HERE AND AGAIN, THIS WOULD BE SOMETHING TO TALK TO TX-DOT ABOUT, IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE RIGHT HERE AT THIS AREA.
IT COULD BE WHERE IT IS HOODED. IOUS KNOW, YOU BASICALLY HAVE TO COME AROUND. YOU ARE HEADING SOUTHBOUND BEFORE... YOU WANT TO GO STRAIGHT.
>> YES. >> AGAIN, IT COULD BE PULLED.
I IMAGINE YOU WOULD WANT TO USE AS MUCH OF THIS.
THERE IS A POSSIBILITY OF PULLING THIS BACK FURTHER FROM WHERE THAT MEDIAN OPEN IS. SO YOU DON'T HAVE THAT LIKELIHOOD OF SOMEBODY WANTING TO GO THAT DIRECTION.
>> WE ARE DOING THIS BECAUSE THE FRONTAGE ROAD IS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN ANY TIME SOON. TRAFFIC IS GOING TO GET WORSE.
THE SAFETY IS GOING TO GET WORSE.
AGAIN, COUNCIL NEEDS TO SPEAK. I THINK WE NEED TO TAKE A LONGER VIEW AND DO THIS. BECAUSE TRAFFIC IS GROWING.
IT IS GOING TO TAKE A UNITED FRONT TO GET TX-DOT TO DO
SOMETHING. >> IF YOU GET OUT ON THAT ROAD, BETWEEN 3:00 AND 6:00 IN THE AFTERNOON, IT'S A RACETRACK.
COUNCIL, ECONOMY CONCERNS OR COMMENTS? THE MEETING PURPOSE IS TO ADDRESS THE CLOSURES.
THE COUNCIL, WE NEED TO PUT A STRONG FRONT AS WE CAN AS TO WHAT WE WANT. WE HAVE TWO WEEKS TO THINK.
Y'ALL CAN CONVEY YOUR THOUGHTS TO THE STAFF BETWEEN NOW AND THEN. HAVE YOU ANY COMMENTS, JUSTIN?
ANY COMMENTS? >> MY NOTES HERE.
WE ARE CLOSING THAT ONE. BUT ADDING THE HOODED TURNAROUND GO BACK SOUTHBOUND. AND THEN ON THE REX ODOM, WE JUST LEAVE IT. IS EVERYBODY OKAY WITH THAT? YOU CAN STILL TURN IN. AT A TURNAROUND.
YOU CAN'T CROSS BACK OVER COMING OUT OF THE AIRPORT.
WAS EVERYBODY OKAY WITH THAT FINAL PROPOSAL?
>> YES. I THINK GOING UP ONE TURNAROUND IS NOT ONEROUS. THAT IS AN OPINION.
>> COMING FROM MIDLOTHIAN, YOU CAN TURN INTO THE AIRPORT.
>> SAY THAT AGAIN, CHRIS? >> ON THIS ONE, HERE, ON THE...
YOU COULD, IF YOU ARE GOING SOUTHBOUND, YOU CAN TURN LEFT TO GET INTO THE AIRPORT, BUT COMING OUT OF THE AIRPORT, YOU COULDN'T CROSS OVER AND GO SOUTHBOUND TOWARDS LOXAHATCHEE.
YOU MAKE A RIGHT TURN ONLY. GO UP TO THAT U-TURN.
TURN BACK AROUND THERE. AND PUT A U-TURN IN THERE, TOO.
BECAUSE YOU ARE COMING OUT OF FIREFLY.
YOU NEED TO GO BACK TO THE NORTH.
SO THAT WO WOULD... YOU COME DON THAT.
THAT IS .7 OF A MILE. >> CLARK?
>> ANY COMMENTS? >> I THINK I MADE THEM ALL.
>> ANNA? >> MY ONLY QUESTION OF CLARIFICATION ON THE FOURTH ONE. IF YOU ARE COMING FROM LOCKS HALFY, THOUGH, THEY CAN U-TURN? IS THAT RIGHT OR NO?
CAN THEY U-TURN THERE? >> CORRECT.
THERE IS NOTHING HERE. THERE IS NOTHING THAT LINES UP WITH THIS. THERE IS AN OPENING DOWN HERE AT SARDIS. IN THAT AREA AS WELL.
THAT WOULD LET YOU COME BACK AROUND.
FOR RIGHT RIGHT NOW, THIS IS A DRAINAGE STRUCTURE RIGHT THERE.
THERE WOULD BE NO REASON FOR THEM TO WANT TO GO LEFT HERE
UNLESS THEY MISS A TURN. >> ALL RIGHT.
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COUNCIL, WE WILL BE IN A WORKSHOP.[EXECUTIVE SESSION]
>> THANKS, MIKE. >> AT THIS TIME, COUNCIL WILL BE GOING INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION. COUNCIL WILL CONVENE IN PURSUANT TO THE FOLLOWING SECTIONS OF THE TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE.
EXECUTIVE SESSION ITEMS ARE DISCUSSED IN SESSIONS.
NO DECISIONS OR ACTIONS WILL BE TAKEN.
SECTION 551.071 LEGAL. CONSULTATIONS WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY ON ANY AGENDA ITEMS LISTED HERE AND SECTION 551.074, PERSONNEL MATTERS. DELIBERATE ON THE APPOINTMENT OR DUTIES OF PUBLIC OFFICERS OR EMPLOYEES.
WE HAVE TWO. THE HUMAN RESOURCE DIRECTOR AND TWO ALSO, THE PLANNING DIRECTOR. SECTION 55 #.072, REAL ESTATE DELIBERATION REGARDING REAL PROPERTY.
EXCHANGE, LEASE, OR VALUE OF REAL PROPERTY LOCATED WITHIN THE CITY OF MIDLOTHIAN. AT 6:56, WE STAND ADJOURNED TO EXECUTIVE SESSION. WE WILL BE BACK.
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