Apr 09, 2024 City Council

[Call to Order, Pledges, and Invocation]

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WITH A QUORUM PRESENT. I CALL THIS MEETING TO ORDER. WITH THE HONOR OF HAVING FATHER JOSEPH, I AM SORRY, FATHER JAMES OF ST.

JOSEPH'S CHURCH HERE THIS EVENING AND WILL LEAD US IN OUR CONVOCATION. FATHER, IF YOU AND LEAD US TO OUR PRAYER.

>> THANK YOU AND GOOD EVENING, THANK YOU FOR THE INVITATION.

GOOD AND GRACIOUS FATHER, WE THANK YOU FOR THE COUNTLESS BLESSINGS YOU BESTOW ON US. THANK YOU PARTICULARLY FOR YESTERDAY'S SOLAR ECLIPSE. WE WERE ABLE TO SEE THE BEAUTY THAT YOU MANIFEST TO US. YOU, THE CREATOR OF THE PLANETS, THE MAN, THE STARS, YOU ALSO HAVE FORMED AND FASHIONED US IN YOUR FASHION, AND ALLOW US TO BE STEWARDS OF YOUR GOODS THAT HAVE ENTRUSTED US. WE PRAY FOR THE MEMBERS OF THE CITY COUNCIL, WE PRAY FOR THE CITIZENS OF MIDLOTHIAN, WE PRAY WITH THE BLESSINGS THAT YOU BESTOW UPON US THAT WE CONTINUE TO BE GOOD STEWARDS OF THOSE RESOURCES AND MAY HELP OUR FELLOW CITIZENS TO BE ABLE TO GROW IN THEIR KNOWLEDGE, LOVE OF YOU, AND OF EACH OTHER. SO WE MAY LIVE IN PREECE -- PEACE AND PROSPERITY. GUIDE US AND THOSE IN THE CITY, PROTECT A LAW ENFORCEMENT IN THOSE THAT CARE FOR US. SO EVERYONE AND EVERYTHING WE DO MAYBE FOR YOUR HONOR AND GLORY AND THE GOOD FOR EACH OTHER, OUR BROTHERS AND SISTERS. WE ASK ALL OF THESE THINGS IN YOUR MOST HOLY NAME. AMEN.

>> THANK YOU FATHER. >> THANK YOU.

>> I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.

>> HONOR THE TEXAS FLAG. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THEE, TEXAS, ONE STATE UNDER GOD, ONE AND INDIVISIBLE.

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THE REAL EMERGENCIES. >>

>> THE POLICE OFFICERS ALWAYS HAVE TO SHOW BEFORE FIRE DOES.

IT IS ALL GOOD. SORRY NEAR. LAST WEEK , IN FACT SUNDAY BEGINS THE FULL WEEK OF CELEBRATING TELE-COMMUNICATORS.

THIS STARTED YEARS AGO, I COULD TELL YOU THE DATES BUT I DON'T HAVE NOTES IN FRENEMY. IT REALLY IS AN EXCELLENT TIME TO REALIZE THAT YOU SEE THE FIRE TRUCKS AND THE POLICE CARS, A LOT OF PUBLIC SAFETY OUT THERE THAT, YOU KNOW, WE ROLL UP ON THE SCENE AND DO A LOT OF WORK IN THE FIELD. IN THE BACK, SO TO SPEAK, TAKING PHONE CALLS AND DEALING WITH CHAOS IN THE SIDE VIEW ORGANIZATION, ARE THESE TELE-COMMUNICATORS. I CANNOT TELL YOU HOW COMPLICATED THEIR WORLD IS. AND HOW FRUSTRATING AND DIFFICULT IT CAN BE AMIDST THE CHAOS AT TIMES THROUGHOUT THE WEEK , OVERNIGHT. THEY NEVER KNOW WHAT THEY WILL BE HIT WITH. A LOT OF TIMES WE ARE WORKING THROUGH THOSE ISSUES AND THEY JUST LISTEN.

IT IS A SPECIAL BREED THAT WORKS BEHIND THE SCENES AND IN THE DARK. THERE ARE SEVERAL CUTE SAYINGS , THEY ARE VERY MUCH A PART --

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>> I WANT TO HIGHLIGHT THE COLLABORATION THAT WAS MORE THAN A DOZEN LOCAL CHURCHES IN OUR COMMUNITY ON GOOD FRIDAY. I GOT TO ATTEND THE COMMUNITYWIDE GOOD FRIDAY SERVICE OVER AT MIDLOTHIAN COMMUNITY PARK. AND IT WAS AN AWESOME THING TO SEE ALL THE LOCAL CHURCHES OF JUST DIFFERENT BACKGROUNDS. YOU KNOW, DIFFERENT DENOMINATIONS AND THINGS SUCH AS THAT COMING TOGETHER TO CELEBRATE THE KICKOFF TO THE EASTER WEEKEND.

THEY DID A PHENOMENAL JOB. IT WAS WELL ATTENDED AND A REALLY COOL ASPECT FOR OUR COMMUNITY. I HOPE THAT IT CONTINUES IN THE

FUTURE. >> I WOULD JUST LIKE TO HIGHLIGHT THE AMAZING EFFORTS THAT THE CHAMBER PUT INTO THE WINE AND ARTS FESTIVAL THAT WAS A HUGE SUCCESS. ALL OF THE ATTENDEES WERE ABSOLUTELY A EXCITED. WE HAD MANY VISITORS COME TO OUR TOWN AND SEE THE BEST OF WHAT WE HAVE AND WHAT

WE DO. IT WAS A GREAT EVENT. >> ABSOLUTELY.

>> WELL, SHE WILL NOT BE HAPPY THAT I SAID THIS, I JUST WANT TO RECOGNIZE -- WHO DOES AN OUTSTANDING JOB FOR OUR CITY.

SHE STOOD OUT THERE ALL DAY LONG AT THE WINE AND ARTS FESTIVAL, AT THE CITY, WELCOMING OF OUR EVENTS. I LOOK AT MANY HOURS THAT SHE PUTS IN, AND I SEE HER AT A LOT OF EVENTS. AFTER-HOURS IC LORI SOMETIMES AND SHE IS WORKING ON CITY BUSINESS AT NIGHT. I AM THANKFUL, I HAVE REALLY GROWN TO APPRECIATE HER. NOT THAT I DID NOT BEFORE, BUT EVEN SO NOW. SHE DOES A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT FOR THE CITY THAT WE DON'T EVEN SEE. I AM THANKFUL

FOR HER. >> ABSOLUTELY.

>> WE WILL NOT ASK HER FOR A SPEECH, BUT WE HAVE A GREAT

STAFF ALL AROUND. >> OKAY ITEM 2024- 127. THE CITIZENS TO BE HEARD. CITY COUNCIL INVITE CITIZENS TO ADDRESS THE COUNCIL ON ANY TOPIC NOT ALREADY SCHEDULED TO BE HEARD. CITIZENS WISHING TO SPEAK SHOULD COMPLETE A "CITIZEN PARTICIPATION FORM" AND PRESENTED TO THE CITY

[CONSENT AGENDA]

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COUNCIL, WOULD ANYONE LIKE TO REMOVE ANYTHING FROM CONSENT AGENDA FOR DISCUSSION? HEARING ON. I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION.

-- TAKE HAMMOND 'S AND GARDNER'S SECOND. PLEASE

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MELISSA. >> THANK YOU. MDC IS HERE TO US FOR THE EXPENDITURE AND IT DOES EXCEED $20,000 ALLOWED BY THE BYLAWS. WE ARE HERE TO ASK FOR YOUR APPROVAL. AND ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS IF YOU HAVE ANY.

>> I HAVE A KNOWLEDGE QUESTION. THE PART THAT YOU SAID, IT SURPASSES BYLAWS. CAN YOU ELABORATE?

>> ANY EXPENDITURE THAT IS OVER $20,000 HAS TO BE APPROVED

BY Y'ALL. THAT IS THE BYLAW. >> I WAS MISTAKEN. I THOUGHT YOU SAID THERE WAS ANOTHER CAVEAT. I MISHEARD YOU.

>> AFTER OUR WORKSHOP AND BACK TO THE BOARD, THEY APPROVED WITHOUT THE CAVEAT OF THE PROPERTY GOING TO THE CITY.

>> THAT IS CORRECT. AT THIS TIME WE ARE JUST WANTING TO FUND WITH NO ADDITIONAL REQUIREMENTS, FOR IT GOING BACK

TO THE CITY. >> WHEN WE LAST TALKED ABOUT IT, I KNOW THERE WAS DISCUSSION ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT WE HAD HARD NUMBERS FOR THE ACTUAL INSTALLATION. IS IT A SOLID BID? IS THIS THE FINALIZED COST?

>> THAT IS CORRECT. I SPOKE WITH DUKE TODAY.

>> THANK YOU. >> I AM NO AC EXPERT, BY ANY MEANS. I SEEM TO REMEMBER A NUMBER PRIOR TO THIS BEING MORE THAN THE $157,956.67. IS THIS THE TOTALITY OF WHAT WILL FIX THE PROBLEMS? IS THERE MORE THAT WILL BE NEEDED THAT WE CAN DO? OR THIS WILL FIX THE ISSUE?

>> THIS IS JUST -- THIS FUNDING WOULD JUST FUND THE AC AND GET IT FUNCTIONAL FOR THE BIG GYM. IF YOU HAVE OTHER QUESTIONS BEYOND THAT THEY ARE HERE AND I CAN STEP ASIDE, IF

YOU WANT TO SPEAK TO THEM. >> THEY DID SAY AT THE WORKSHOP THIS WAS THE LAST MAJOR PIECE TO GET IT UP-TO-DATE. THEY HAD OTHER GRANTS IN THE PAST BUT THIS IS THE LAST PIECE. I AM READY FOR MOTION WHENEVER YOU ARE.

>> ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS? ANNA, I TAKE YOUR MOTION.

>> MOTION. >> SECOND.

>> MOTION BY -- ITEM PASSES 7-0. THANK YOU TO THE BOARD AS

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WELL. >> THANK YOU.

>> OKAY, COUNCIL, WE WILL SHIFT BACK TO PUBLIC HEARINGS.

OPENING ITEM 2024-132. CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING AND CONSIDER AND ACT UPON AN ORDINANCE RELATING TO THE USE AND DEVELOPMENT OF LOT 1 OF THE MUNGER ADDITION, BY CHANGING THE ZONING FROM AGRICULTURAL TO URBAN VILLAGE PLANNED DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT NO. 178, UVPD-178, WITH A BASE ZONING OF SINGLE FAMILY, SF-2, ZONING DISTRICT TO PROVIDE FOR THE PROPERTY BEING DIVIDED INTO THREE LOTS EACH GREATER THAN

ONE ACRE . BRIAN? >> GOOD EVENING. SO WITH THIS REQUEST, EDWARD, ON BEHALF OF THE FAMILY IS ASKING THAT HE BE APPROVED FOR A YOU VPD THAT WOULD ALLOW APPROXIMATELY FIVE ACRES OF LAND, A PLOTTED LOT, TO BE SUBDIVIDED INTO THREE LOTS. THE PURPOSES TO PROVIDE A HOMESITE FOR THEIR DAUGHTER. THIS IS FM 663. IF YOU ARE FAMILIAR WITH THOMAS TRAIL, THAT SUBDIVISION IS DOWN HERE. SO THEIR ONLY ACCESS FOR THIS PIECE OF LAND IS OFF OF FM 663. AND THEY WERE

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IF IT WERE TO BECOME A SEPARATE ROAD FOR ANY REASON, YOU WOULD FOLLOW ANY SF 2 SETBACKS FOLLOWING THE EASEMENT LINE IS A RIGHT-OF-WAY OR PROPERTY LINE. SINCE THE SEPTIC ORDINANCE DOES REQUIRE ONE ACRE MINIMUM , THEY WOULD BE ON SEPTIC, SO THEY ARE ASKING ALSO FOR A WAIVER FROM THE NEED TO CONNECT TO THE CITY SEWER. THE ISSUE THEY HAVE IS IF THEY ARE TO CONNECT TO THE CITY SEWER, WHICH TECHNICALLY IS WITHIN 300 FEET, THE ISSUE FOR THEM IS HAVING TO RUN HUNDREDS OF FEET FROM THERE ON THEIR PROPERTY. SO THEY ARE ASKING TO ABLE TO DO A NEW HOMESITE HERE ON SEPTIC. THE PD DOES NOT SAY THAT THIS LOT CAN ALSO BE ON SEPTIC, THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE SEPARATELY ADDRESSED, SHOULD THAT EVER BE NEEDED FOR ANY REASON. AND THIS IS AN EXAMPLE, THEY ARE WORKING WITH A BUILDER TRYING TO IDENTIFY PLANS. THEY ARE GOING FOR THAT KIND OF FARMHOUSE AESTHETIC , FOR THE HOUSE. AND THE PROPERTY OWNERS WERE ALL NOTIFIED WITHIN 200 FEET AND WE HAD ONE LETTER OF SUPPORT AND ONE OF OPPOSITION.

THE ONE LETTER IN FAVOR JUST BASICALLY SAID THAT THEY WERE IN FAVOR OF SEEING THE PROPERTY DEVELOPED. THE ONE IN OPPOSITION EXPRESSED CONCERNS OVER ADHERING TO THE STANDARDS IN THE AREA. I WOULD JUST NOTE THAT THE PERSON OPPOSED IS IN THOMAS TRAIL. PNC DID RECOMMEND TO RECOMMEND

APPROVAL. 7-0. >> IS ANYONE TRYING TO SPEAK OTHER THAN THE APPLICANT. WITH NO PUBLIC SPEAKING I WILL MAKE A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.

>> MOTION BY MAYOR PRO TEM AND SECONDED. MOTION IS

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I DO HAVE ONE CLARIFICATION I WANT TO MAKE. THIS IS NOT DIRECT ACCESS ONTO FM 663, IF I RECALL . IT IS A SIDE ROAD.

>> THAT IS TRUE, YES, SORRY, I GUESS JUST FM 663. I'M NOT SURE WHAT WE ARE CALLING THAT.

>> COUNCIL, QUESTIONS? >> I HAVE ONE QUESTION.

LOOKING AT, WHAT WOULD NORMALLY BE THE EASEMENT, IT LOOKS LIKE THERE IS A STRUCTURE IN THE MIDDLE OF IT. ARE THEY PLANNING ON TAKING THAT DOWN OR GO AROUND IT? WITH THE ACCESS.

ARE THEY PLANNING ON DOING THE DRIVE?

>> IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO COME FORWARD?

>> AT THE PRESENT WE ARE PLANNING TO GO AROUND IT. AND I AM ASSUMING -- I AM ASSUMING YOU ARE LOOKING AT THIS.

>> THAT AND WHAT IS DOWN TO THAT RIGHT THERE.

>> THOSE ARE CAR PORTS. THIS ONE WOULD GO AND FRONT OF, BECAUSE RIGHT NOW THE DRIVE GOES UP INTO HERE. ALL THE WAY INTO HERE. AND ON OUR OWN PROPERTY WE WOULD JUST EXTEND IT THIS WAY. AND THIS IS A LOPING SHED THAT USED TO HAVE HORSES AND THIS WAS OUR CORRAL. SO AT PRESENT , BECAUSE THE DIFFICULTY OF IN AND GO WITH THE REST OF IT IN THERE.

>> YES, I MEAN PERSONALLY YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO DO WHATEVER YOU WANT ON YOUR PROPERTY. MY ONLY CONCERN IS FIRE ACCESS.

SHOULD THERE BE AN EMERGENCY. THAT IS MY CONCERN AND I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY CAN SAFELY GET BACK TO THE

PROPERTY. >> THE BUILDER'S HEDGE FIELD HOMES. THEY ARE USED TO DEALING WITH LOTS OF DIFFERENT SITUATIONS. WE ALREADY TALKED TO JEFF AND LUCY ABOUT THE ROAD. OR THE DRIVE. AND RIGHT NOW THIS DRIVE MEETS THE STANDARDS. WE HAD A FIRE ENGINE VISIT US AND IT WAS TESTED OUT. ALSO HEDGEFIELD HOMES HAS ENGINEERS AND STAFF THAT THEY USE TO DESIGN THESE KINDS OF THINGS. FOR US, AND FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND FROM THE ENGINEER, IT WOULD BE NO PROBLEM TO CREATE THIS ALL THE WAY TO THE HOME. THE NEW HOME WOULD BE RIGHT ABOUT THERE. ACCORDING TO THE STANDARDS.

AND WE ALSO HAVE TALKED TO KEVIN ABOUT REDUCING SOMEWHERE IN HERE OR AT THE END, A HAMMERHEAD DRIVE, SO FIRE

ENGINES COULD TURN AROUND. >> OKAY. MIKE?

>> SO I WILL PIGGYBACK ON WHAT ED IS TALKING ABOUT. I KNOW OF COURSE I HAVE BEEN ONE OF THE BIGGEST SUPPORTERS OF SITE AND PROPERTY OWNERS. MAINLY WHEN WE CAN, ESPECIALLY WHEN THEY HAVE THE LONGER DRIVES, FOR A CRUSHED CONCRETE OR GRAVEL TO BE USED. I KNOW WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT THAT IN THE PAST THERE IS AN ENGINEERING SPEC THAT MAKES THAT. I AM JUST TRYING TO VERIFY THAT STAFF IS GOING TO BE INVOLVED IN THE INSTALLATION OF THE GRAVEL. NOT ON-SITE, BUT IN OTHER WORDS WE HAD A SPEC -- YEAH, WE WON'T MAKE YOU GO OUT THERE WITH A SHOVEL, BRIAN. MAYBE ADAM. BUT NOT YOURSELF. WE JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT FROM THE SANCTITY OF THE EQUIPMENT AND ALL, BECAUSE THERE IS SOME MONEY SAVINGS HERE, THAT WE WOULD STILL GO ABOUT TWO CARRYING THIS OUT WITH THE ENGINEERING SPEC. CORRECT?

>> YES, SIR. IT HAS TO MEET THE ENGINEERING STANDARD, TO THE FIRE STANDARD, 80,000, 90,000?

>> RIGHT NOW THE ENGINEERING JUST OFF THE CUFF, THEY ARE SAYING, I PUT IT IN THE APP AT LEAST, ABOUT 3 1/2 INCHES OF CRUSHED CONCRETE. FIRST THEY GRADE THE SPOT AND THEN THEY LAY THE INCHES OF CRUSHED CONCRETE, ABOUT 3 1/2 INCHES OF THE DECOMPOSED OR RECOMMISSIONED ASPHALT ON TOP OF THAT. THAT IS PRETTY MUCH WHAT WE HAVE IN THE FRONT. YOU DRIVE OVER THAT A LITTLE BIT AND IT BECOMES AS HARD AS

CONCRETE. >> I HAVE CRUSHED CONCRETE AT MY FACILITY. I AM A BIG THE BIG BELIEVER IN IT.

>> ON THE SUBJECT THAT YOU TALKED ABOUT, I THINK IT WAS

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>> YES OR. THAT I DO NOT KNOW.

>> THANK YOU, MIKE. >> AND I BELIEVE THAT THE STATE

REQUIREMENT MAYBE 6/10. >> I BELIEVE THE COUNTY HAS A ONE ACRE REQUIREMENT. I BELIEVE WE STILL DO, TOO. BUT YOU HAVE THE ONE ACRE WHICH IS FINE. I WAS JUST CONFIRMING IT WAS AEROBIC SEPTIC. THANK YOU.

>> BRIAN, I KNOW THAT YOU SAID IT, I JUST WANT TO CONFIRM, WE ARE CALLING THAT PRIVATE DRIVE. THEY ARE NOT DEDICATING.

>> CORRECT. >> OKAY, SO I GUESS MY ONLY, I GUESS THIS IS A PRIVATE DRIVE FACTOR, EVEN THOUGH IT IS OVER 1200 SQUARE FEET, IT IS TRIGGERING THE DUAL ACCESS. FOR THE FIRE , TYPICALLY WHEN YOU GO OVER 1200 SQUARE FEET -- THERE IS A HAMMERHEAD, THAT WOULD MAKE ME FEEL BETTER.

>> WE ARE DOING THE SPECIAL EXCEPTION TO ALLOW FOR THAT.

THE SPECIAL EXCEPTION TO ALLOW FOR THAT DRIVEWAY.

>> OKAY. AND JUST SAYING THAT THERE WOULD BE THE HAMMERHEAD, SO THE IDEA IS TO KIND OF USE THE DRIVEWAY AND TURNAROUND AREA AS THE THROAT TO THE HAMMERHEAD. IF THAT MAKES SENSE. THEY WOULD DEFINITELY BE THE TURNAROUND IN THIS AREA.

>> THERE IS ENOUGH SPACE WITH THE SETBACK OF THE HOME THAT IF THEY NEEDED 40 FEET, I BELIEVE, FOR THE HAMMERHEAD, AND YOU ARE ABLE TO DRIVE FAR ENOUGH PAST WHERE THE HOUSE IS, AND THEN DO THE DRIVE UP, WHICH MAY BE 40 FEET ACCESS TO THE GARAGE. THAT WOULD PROBABLY GIVE US MORE THAN ENOUGH SPACE

FOR A HAMMERHEAD. >> OKAY. THAT IS I THINK JUST ALL OF OUR CONCERNS, TO MAKE SURE THE FIRE TRUCK CAN GET TURNED AROUND ONCE BACK THERE.

>> IS IT FOR SURE? I FEEL LIKE WE ARE TALKING A LOT OF

PROBABLY'S. >> THAT IS WHAT I WANTED TO SOLIDIFY. IS THERE OR IS THERE ARE NOT GOING TO BE A HAMMERHEAD? ESPECIALLY BECAUSE THERE IS A LOT OF WHAT WE DON'T KNOW THAT IS GOING TO COME INTO PLAY.

>> THE FIRE CODE NEEDS TO BE SET ASIDE AND FIRE MARSHAL NEEDS TO BE SATISFIED. THE WORKING PLAN HAS BEEN THAT IT WOULD BE DONE THROUGH THE HAMMERHEAD. IF HE COMES UP WITH ANOTHER IDEA FOR WHATEVER REASON, NEEDING TO SATISFY

FIRE CODING. >> WHATEVER IS ON THE SITE PLAN, WHICH WOULD BE APPROVED BY STAFF, IT HAS TO MEET THE

REQUIREMENTS. >> IF IT DOESN'T MEET THE REQUIREMENTS YOU DO NOT GET SITE PLAN APPROVAL.

>> FINAL THOUGHTS AND QUESTIONS? TO MAKE A MOTION? THOUGHTS? NO, OKAY. TAKE THE MOTION THEN, AND.

>> I TAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE AS RESENTED.

>> SECONDED. >> PLEASE VOTE. ITEM PASSES

7-0. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU.

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CONTINUE A PUBLIC HEARING FROM MARCH 26, 2024 AND CONSIDER AND ACT UPON AN ORDINANCE AMENDING THE ZONING OF +/-4.5 ACRES WITHIN THE B.F. HAWKINS SURVEY, ABSTRACT 464, FROM A COMMERCIAL DISTRICT TO A PLANNED DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT TO ALLOW FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF TWO HOTEL BUILDINGS AND ESTABLISH USE AND DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS IN REFERENCE TO THE NEW USE.

THE PROPERTY IS GENERALLY LOCATED AT THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF METHODIST WAY AND U.S. HIGHWAY 287 SERVICE ROAD

>> THIS IS PLAN DEVELOPMENT TO ALLOW FOR DEVELOPING ON THE SIT SIDE HERE IS THE ORANGE AND WHITE LINE PROPERTY DEVELOPER.

IT IS ABOUT 4 1/2 ACRES, CURRENTLY UNDEVELOPED. THE FUTURE PLAN DESIGNATES THE AREA AS A NEW TOWN MODULE. THE NEW LOCATION OF THE EXHIBIT, THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IN ORANGE AND WHITE RIGHT HERE. GOING NORTH HERE IS THE BACK OF BROOKSHIRE'S GROCERY STORE. AND SOUTH IS THE METHODIST HOSPITAL. THE NEXT SLIDE DEPICTS SITE OVERALL LAYOUT.

TWO PROPOSED HOTELS CONSTRUCTED IN TWO PHASES. THAT REPRESENTS THE BLUE AND RED THERE TO THE RIGHT OF THE SCREEN. PHASE ONE

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THIS IS THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARD CHART IN WITH THE SECOND COLUMN FROM THE LEFT DEPICTING WHAT THE CITY OF MIDLOTHIAN REQUIRES. TO THE THIRD COLUMN DEPICTING WHAT THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING. THE FAR RIGHT-HAND COLUMN IS WHETHER THEY ARE MEETING THE STANDARDS ARE NOT. THEY ARE MEETING ALL THE STANDARDS WITH THE EXCEPTION OF BUILDING HEIGHT.

THE MAXIMUM HEIGHT WOULD BE 50 FEET IN HEIGHT. AND AS YOU SEE HERE, THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING FOR ONE HOTEL, 61 FEET. AND ONE IS 59 FEET. AS YOU SEE IN PARENTHESES UP TO THE ROOF LINE THEY ARE JUST RIGHT UNDER THE 50 FOOT REQUIREMENT. HOWEVER WHEN YOU ADD MATERIALS ON TOP THAT TAKES IT UP ROUGHLY ANOTHER 10 FEET. WE WANTED TO MAKE A MINOR NOTE. THE NEXT SLIDE DEPICTS THE LANDSCAPING THAT THE APPLICANT IS PROVIDING. IT IS SUFFICIENT FOR THE SITE. AGAIN THIS WAS PRESENTED TO THE PLAT COMMISSION BACK IN JANUARY OF THIS YEAR AND IT WAS APPROVED 4-2. I AM JUMPING AHEAD. BUT WITHIN THE APPROVAL THERE WERE TWO CONCERNS, TWO PEOPLE AGAINST IT. TWO COMMISSIONERS, EXCUSE ME. THEY HAD CONCERNS WITH THE FACADE OF THE PROPOSED TWO HOTELS. SO INSTEAD OF COMING RIGHT BACK TO COUNCIL, THE APPLICANT , TO THEIR CREDIT, THEY WORKED WITH STAFF AND REPRESENTATIVES FROM CITY COUNCIL , AS WELL AS A REPRESENTATIVE FROM THE PLAT COMMISSION TO FIND CENTRAL GROUND WITH THE PROPOSAL BEING PRESENTED TONIGHT THIS EVENING. I WILL RUN DOWN THE THREE NOTABLE CHANGES, THE FIRST WAS THE MINOR CHANGE OF PHASING THAT I MENTIONED A FEW SLIDES AGO. GOING DOWN TO THE SECOND BULLET POINT, THEY INCREASE THE MASONRY FROM 8% TO 43%. THAT WAS PRIMARILY DUE TO THE FACADE TO INCLUDE 35% BRICK MATERIAL AND GOING DOWN TO THE LAST BULLET POINT, INCREASED THE MASONARY PERCENTAGE FOR THE HAMPTON INN HOTEL FROM 16% TO 48%. AGAIN, SOME NOTABLE CHANGES. THE NEXT SLIDE WILL TOUCH ON WHAT THE CHANGES WERE. AGAIN THIS HOTEL WAS PRESENTED BACK TO P&Z OF JANUARY THIS YEAR. THE REDLINED CHANGES OF EXACTLY WHAT WAS CHANGING, ALONG THE LEFT HAND SIDE YOU SEE AGAIN THE APPLICANT INCREASE THE TOTAL MASONRY PERCENTAGE FOR THE HOTEL FROM 8% TO 43%, LARGELY DID THIS BY REPLACING THE MATERIAL BETWEEN THE HORIZONTAL LINES BETWEEN THE WINDOWS HERE. AS YOU SEE ON THE RED LINES, TO BRICK MATERIAL. REVISING THE ELEVATION FACADE MATERIAL, 35% BRICK MATERIAL. NO BRICK MATERIAL WAS INCLUDED IN THE FACADE FOR THE , THAT WAS PRESENTED TO P&Z. THAT WAS A MAJOR CHANGE, IF YOU WILL, WITH THE ELEVATION. HERE'S ANOTHER ANGLE. SAME INFO WITH JUST ANOTHER VIEWPOINT OF THE HOTEL. THE NEXT SLIDE DEPICTS THE HAMPTON INN, AGAIN THIS WAS PRESENTED TO THE COMMISSION BACK IN JANUARY OF THIS YEAR.

AGAIN SIMILAR TO THE HOTEL, THE REDLINE , YOU SEE THE APPLICANT INCREASE THE MASONRY PERCENTAGE FROM 16% 48%.

REPLACE , DID THIS BY REPLACING WITH A BRICK MATERIAL. WITHIN

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THE PREVIOUS ONE WAS PRESENTED TO P&Z AND HERE IS THE ONE BEING PRESENTED TO YOU GUYS THIS EVENING. AGAIN WE WANT TO KNOW THAT THE ONE PRESENTED TO P&Z WAS APPROVED 4-2, AS WELL.

WE HAD A SECTION STATING THAT THERE IS A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT CURRENTLY BEING WORKED ON BETWEEN THE APPLICANT AND STAFF FOR A FUTURE ROADWAY. WEAVER WAY. THE APPLICANT SUBMITTED FOR WEAVER WAY AND THEY INTEND TO INCLUDE TWO ACCESS POINTS OFF OF WEAVER WAY TO THE CONSTRUCTION AND ALSO FURTHER PUBLIC IMPROVEMENTS WOULD BE NEEDED. THE APPLICANT IS HERE AND CAN SPEAK MORE TO THAT. AND OUR ENGINEER IS HERE AS WELL TO SPEAK TO THAT. THE NEXT FEW SLIDES GIVE A VISUAL IMAGE OF WHAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT. HERE IS METHODIST WAY, METHODIST HOSPITAL. HERE IS A PORTION WITH THE REDLINE OUTLINING WEAVER WAY AND WHAT THE APPLICANT IS LOOKING TO PARTIALLY CONSTRUCT TO GET TO THE PROPERTY. AS YOU SEE GOING NORTH THAT WILL LEAD YOU TOWARDS HOPPER ROAD. IN THE NEXT SLIDE DEPICTS A RENDERING PROVIDED BY THE CLIENT. THE LEGEND AT THE BOTTOM LEFT GIVES YOU MORE DETAIL ON WHAT YOU ARE LOOKING AT. OUTLINED IN YELLOW WOULD BE THE 26 FOOT WIDE WEAVER WAY, STORM DRAINAGE, OUTLINED IN BLUE IS THE WATERLINE. IN THE RED, SANITARY SEWER LINE AND PROVIDED ALONG WEAVER WAY. THERE WERE 12 LETTER SENT OUT TO SURROUNDING PROPERTY OWNERS. WE DID NOT HAVE ANY LETTERS OF SUPPORT, HOWEVER AS OF TODAY THERE WAS ONE LETTER AND I BELIEVE COUNCIL GOT A COPY OF THAT AS WELL. AT THE JANUARY 16TH P&Z MEETING, 4-TO RECOMMENDING APPROVAL. STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL IS PRESENTED TODAY. THAT CONCLUDES STAFF'S PRESENTATION. THE APPLICANT HAS A PRESENTATION AS

WELL. >> I WANTED TO NOTE THAT MAYOR PRO TEM NEEDED TO RECRUITERS . DID ANYONE WANT TO SPEAK ON THIS CASE? SINCE THERE IS NO PUBLIC SPEAKING I ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.

>> I MAKE A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.

>> HEARING. >> BY P&Z AND SECONDED BY MOORMAN. PLEASE VOTE. AND THE PUBLIC HEARING IS CLOSED, 6-0.

WITH THE APPLICANT LIKE TO SPEAK NOW OR STAND FOR QUESTIONS LATER? OR BOTH. COME ON UP AND MAKE YOUR

PRESENTATION. >> -- ROBINSON, DALLAS TEXAS, MY PRESENTATION REALLY MIMICS WHAT WAS ALREADY PRESENTED, A LOT OF THE SAME MATERIAL. I GUESS THAT IS JUST THE PLANNER AND US. WHAT WE ARE PROPOSING, AS MENTIONED PREVIOUSLY, HERE IS THE SITE. KOBE DID A GREAT JOB PRESENTING THE INFO. YOU HAVE THE INFO IN FRONT OF YOU. IN JANUARY WHEN THIS WENT BEFORE THE AND 21 COMMISSION, THERE WERE CONCERNS BY ONE COMMISSIONER ABOUT THE ARCHITECTURAL ELEVATIONS.

INSTEAD OF GOING FORWARD WITH CITY COUNCIL WE DECIDED TO HOLD OFF AND SEE WHAT WE COULD DO TO PUSH IT AND INCREASE THE ARCHITECTURAL STANDARDS. WE INCREASE THE MASONRY, THE MASONRY. AS YOU KNOW WERE PUT IN THE REQUIREMENTS. WE WENT FROM ONE SCAN, WE WENT FROM 16% UP TO 40%, AND AT THE HAMPTON INN WE WENT FROM 18% UP TO I THINK 43% TOTAL OF MASONRY. WE DID THAT ON PURPOSE. TO GO AND HEIGHTEN THE ARCHITECTURAL STANDARDS. WE ALSO WENT BACK AND MADE SURE THAT WE REACH THE REQUIREMENTS AS STATED IN THE CODE. WE DO MEET THE REQUIREMENTS. ALSO PRIOR TO COMING TO PLAT COMMISSION, ONE THING MY CLIENT LOOKED AT IS INCREASING THE STYLE, MOST HAMPTON AND UC DO NOT HAVE THIS DRIVE AND THE WAY IT HAS BEEN DESIGNED AND HOW IT LOOKS. THEY WANTED TO ADD THAT TO THIS LOCATION. WE DO UNDERSTAND THAT A CONCERN THAT COUNCIL HAS HAD LATELY IS ABOUT RETENTION . WE MAKE SURE THAT OUR SITES HAVE THE PROPER RETENTION NECESSARY TO COVER WHAT WE ARE DOING. ALSO ON A FUTURE DEVELOPMENT, ON THESE OTHER PAD SITES AND AROUND US, THERE ARE PLANS OF DOING ADDITIONAL RETENTION,

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HERE ARE THE DIFFERENT RENDERINGS OF THE BUILDING ITSELF OF WHAT IT WILL LOOK LIKE AFTER IT IS CONSTRUCTED.

HERE ARE THE CHANGES AS KOBE POINTED OUT WITH THE ELEVATIONS OF THE HAMPTON IN. SHOWING WHERE THE CHANGES WERE MADE BETWEEN PLANNING COMMISSION AND CITY COUNCIL.

HERE IS THE HOMEWOOD SUITES, SHOWING 8% TOTAL OF HIS OWN IN THE ORIGINAL PROPOSAL AND GOING UP TO 43% FOR BRICK AND STONE.

BETWEEN P&Z AND COUNCIL, AS KOBE MENTIONED. WHEN WE LOOKED BACK WE REALLY WENT BACK TO LOOK AT OUR DESIGNS OVERALL.

AND SEE WHAT WE COULD DO TO PUSH THE LIMIT. WHICH WOULD MAKE ECONOMIC SENSE, BLEND IN WITH THE AREA. WE FEEL THAT WE ARE BRINGING FORTH A PRODUCT THAT IS CONSIDERED , CONSISTENT WITH THE SURROUNDING AREA. WITH THE HIGH PROPOSAL OF 61 FEET, THE HOSPITAL IS 97 FEET. IT WILL BE ABOVE US. THE TOPIC OF THAT. THE PROPOSED BUILDING IS CONSISTENT WITH THE SURROUNDING USES AND THE FUTURE LAND USE PLAN IN THE NEW TOWN MODULE DOES ENCOURAGE THIS TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT IN THIS AREA. SOME OTHER THINGS, PHASING, THIS IS THE PHASE PLAN THAT KOBE POINTED OUT. IF NEED BE WE CAN ALWAYS TALK ABOUT CHANGE. THAT IS SOMETHING COUNCIL ONE IS WANTS US TO CHANGE, THE ZONING. EACH HOTEL, THE SUITE IS DOING 91 ROOMS AND THE HAMPTON INN IS DOING 90, 93 ROOMS. WE WANT TO SHOW WHAT KIND OF REVENUE WOULD COME TO THE CITY THROUGH TAXES.

WE FIND IT IS IMPORTANT BECAUSE THIS WILL BRING JOBS. WE WILL BE HIRING QUITE A FEW INDIVIDUALS FOR EACH HOTEL.

HERE IS THE TOTAL APPROXIMATE REVENUE, THE CITY AND COUNTY SALES TAX OF WHAT CAN BE EXPECTED DURING THE YEARS OF THIS WORK. AND ADDITIONALLY HERE ARE THE RANGE OF DIFFERENT SALARIES, COME IN SESHAN THAT WE ARE LOOKING FOR EACH HOTEL COMING IN. THIS IS FOR HERE IN MIDLOTHIAN AND SURROUNDING COMMUNITIES AND GOING BACK IN THE ECONOMY. WE FEEL WE HAVE A PRODUCT THAT ONCE AGAIN WILL BE BEEN EFFICIENT TO MIDLOTHIAN.

IT IS A GREAT LOCATION FOR IT. IT IS GREAT FOR EACH ONE OF THESE HOTELS AND I CAN ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE.

>> THANKS. I'M SURE THERE IS A LOT OF QUESTIONS AND CONVERSATION REGARDING THIS. THAT'S BE AS SYSTEMATIC AS POSSIBLE. IF ONE QUESTION THAT A COUNCIL MEMBER MAKES PROMPTS ANOTHER THAT YOU HAVE, WRITE IT DOWN. THAT'S BE A SYSTEMATIC AND ORGANIZED AS POSSIBLE. WITH THAT SAID I

WILL LET -- GO FIRST. >> WHAT IS THE REASONING BEHIND PHASE I AND PHASE II BEING SWITCHED?

>> THE CLIENT NOT ECONOMICALLY IT WOULD MAKE SENSE TO OPEN THE SUITES PRIOR TO THE HAMPTON INN. WE CAN CHANGE IT BACK IF THAT IS WHAT COUNCIL FEELS BETTER ABOUT.

>> YOU DID TOUCH ON RETENTION AND DETENTION. BUT I'M NOT SEEING ANY. HOW THAT HAPPENED, WHAT IS THE MECHANISM FOR THAT? IT LOOKS LIKE THE ULTIMATE PLAN IS TO FULLY DEVELOP ALL OF THAT PROPERTY. I DON'T SEE WHERE OR HOW YOU CAN DO THAT.

>> THIS IS ALL A RENDERING AND WE DON'T KNOW WHAT WILL BE RIGHT HERE. THIS IS JUST TO GIVE YOU SITE, ON EACH END, WITH UNDERGROUND RETENTION. ON EACH SITE IT WILL BE DESIGNED TO BE ABLE TO CONTAIN WHAT WE ARE PRODUCING. IT IS ALL UNDERGROUND, WHAT WE ARE PRODUCING ON EACH SITE. EACH HOTEL WILL HAVE ITS OWN

DETENTION CONNECTION. >> OKAY. AND I AM ASSUMING THAT OUR ENGINEERS HAVE LOOKED AT THAT AND DETERMINE THAT.

>> WE HAVE NOT GIVEN THEM THE FULL BILL OUT BECAUSE WE HAVE NOT GONE THROUGH THAT FULL CIVIL PLANT PLAN PROCESS. BUT WE HAVE GONE OVER WITH THE CITY ENGINEER ABOUT OUR RETENTION, DETENTION. PREPARE TO MEET ALL STANDARDS FOR THE CITY. WE WOULD ALSO NEED TO MEET ALL STATE LAW STANDARDS WHEN IT COMES TO

BUILDING A RETENTION SYSTEM. >> UNDERSTOOD. THANK YOU.

>> HEY TRENTON. >> HEY.

>> CONTINUING TO HAVE THIS CONVERSATION ABOUT THE SWITCH, I AM NOT NECESSARILY ASKING ABOUT WHICH ONE IS BUILT FIRST

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>> WE DIDN'T SWITCH WHICH IS IN FRONT AND WHICH IS IN BACK.

WE SWITCHED THE BASES. AND THEY ARE IN THE LOCATION THEY ARE DUE TO THE SIZE AND THE DESIGN OF EACH ONE. IF WE WERE, BUT THE PROPERTY WE ARE RETAINING, THE HAMPTON INN IS A LONGER BUILDING AND THAT IS WHY IT IS LOCATED IN THE REAR.

THE SHORTER BUILDING, IF WE WERE TO SWAP THOSE, WE WOULD HAVE TO SOMEHOW OBTAIN PROPERTY RENDERINGS BECAUSE IT WOULD CROSS THE OTHER PROPERTY WE ARE ON. SO WE HAVE THE

SWAPPING OF THOSE BUILDINGS. >> IVA FOLLOW-UP ALONG THOSE LINES. IT MAY BE FOR STAFF, BUT IF THEY BUILD IN THIS ORDER THEY ARE PROPOSING, THEY BUILD THE FIRST ONE, ARE THEY OBLIGATED TO BUILD THE SECOND?

>> I WOULD NOT THINK SO. >> NOW THEY CANNOT BUILD ANYTHING DIFFERENT. BUT THEY DON'T HAVE TO BUILD.

>> THEY DON'T HAVE TO BUILD EITHER BUT IT WOULD REQUIRE A CHANGE, OBVIOUSLY A PD CHANGE OF SOMETHING ELSE WAS TO DEVELOP. THEY CAN BUILD AND NOT BUILD THE SECOND ONE. THIS IS ZONING, WE CANNOT ENFORCE IT. WE JUST PUT THE ZONING ON

THE GROUND AT THIS POINT. >> I WANT TO CIRCLE BACK TO THE WHOLE RETENTION, DETENTION THING. MIKE, IF I CAN ASK YOU TO SPEAK ON THIS. CAN YOU TELL ME ON THE STATE STANDARDS, IS THAT REQUIRING RETENTION AND DETENTION ONLY FOR THE ROOFTOP STRUCTURE ALL OF THE NON-PERMEABLE SURFACE.

>> WE WILL SEE WHAT THE PREDEVELOPMENT LOOKS LIKE BASED OFF OF THE POST DEVELOP. THAT WILL BE LOOKED AT WITH THE DELTA BETWEEN PRE-AND POST DEVELOP A. THAT WILL BE DETAINED, WHENEVER THEY ARE CONTRIBUTING TO THAT AREA.

>> OKAY. AND WHAT ABOUT THE SHED FROM THIS. WILL , WHERE

WILL IT DISCHARGE TOO? >> UNDER GEORGE HOPPER AND UNDER MAIN STREET. MOST OF THIS. THE MAJORITY IS GOING TO

THE NORTH. >> IT WILL NOT BE DIRECTED -- TOWARDS MIDLOTHIAN SOUTH, THE DRAINAGE CONTAINMENT?

>> WHAT I DON'T KNOW, WELL, NOT CONTAINMENT. I AM NOT EXACTLY SURE WHERE THE BOUNDARY IS. I THOUGHT THERE WAS A CLIP SMABY, THE PARKING LOT AREA ON THE ONE TO THE SOUTH THAT MIGHT WANT TO GO TO THE SOUTH. BUT THE MAJORITY OF EVERYTHING IS GOING TO THE NORTH. IF EVERYTHING GOES TO THE DETENTION, IT WILL GO THE SAME DIRECTION.

>> THE NEXT QUESTION I WOULD HAVE IS IN OTHER WORDS, A LOT OF TIMES WHEN WE ARE TRYING TO APPROVE SOMETHING LIKE THIS FROM A TRAFFIC STANDPOINT, WE REQUIRE ANALYSIS AHEAD OF TIME.

WE CAN TURN THINGS DOWN FOR THAT. WHY, IS IT NOT LEGAL? I AM WITH ED, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE A DRAINAGE ANALYSIS SO WE KNOW.

WE ARE STARTING TO GET A LOT OF PROBLEMS HERE WITH FLOODING IN THIS TYPE OF SURFACE COLLECTING AND DISPERSING WATER CAUSES, KIND OF LIKE WATER TRAFFIC. I WANT TO KNOW WHERE IT IS GOING AND I DON'T FEEL LIKE I KNOW WHERE IT IS GOING.

SO ARE WE NOT LEGALLY ALLOWED TO ASK FOR THAT? JUST LIKE WITH THE TRAFFIC STUDY, WE CAN SAY, WELL, WE CANNOT APPROVE THIS UNTIL WE CAN SEE WHERE THIS WATER IS GOING.

>> I THINK COUNCIL HAS THE RIGHT TO ASK FOR WHAT THEY NEED TO MAKE AN INFORMED DECISION.

>> BUT ALSO THIS IS DISCRETIONARY. NORMALLY THE ANALYSIS OR YOUR DRAINS, IT WILL COME AFTER THE ZONING.

>> BEING THAT IT IS A PD, THERE IS A LITTLE BIT MORE

FLEXIBILITY. >> WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY THINGS I HAVE APPROVED AND THEN WE GET ON DOWN THE ROAD, WHETHER IT IS A REGULAR DEVELOPMENT, THIS TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT, OR WHAT. I FEEL LIKE I GET SQUEEZED -- I HAVE MORE ABILITY TO WORK WITH THE APPLICANT AT THIS STAGE THAN LATER. SO IT CONCERNS ME.

>> THE QUESTION ON THAT THOUGH, OBVIOUSLY THEY DON'T EVEN HAVE APPROVAL TO DO THIS. THEY WILL NOT SPEND THE MONEY ON THAT KIND OF STUFF. SO IS IT JUST A MATTER OF THE ORDER? OF YOU GET THE ZONING DONE AND THEN THERE IS PROCESSES IN PLACE TO

DO THIS. >> CORRECT, AND IT IS SET OUT IN YOUR CODE AS FAR AS WHAT IS THE PROCESS. WHAT IS THE CHECKLIST AS YOU GO THROUGH THE STEPS FOR ZONING. DISCRETIONARY ONTO PLATTING. AND WINDOWS COME INTO PLAY.

>> SO ARE YOU SAYING THAT YOU ARE NOT COMFORTABLE IT IS GOING

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TO PLAT. >> I AM SAYING THAT WHEN WE HAVE CONCERNS OF WATERFLOW, WE HAVE LET A LOT OF THE STUFF, JUST ABOUT ALL OF OUR DEVELOPMENTS, WE WANT TO CATCH IT LATER. AND I BELIEVE WHEN WE SEE FOLKS THAT ARE SERIOUS ABOUT DEVELOPING, IT NEEDS TO START TO BECOME PART OF THE PLANNING PROCESS SO THAT WE KNOW AHEAD OF TIME WHAT WE ARE

GOING TO BE DEALING WITH. >> WE DO HAVE OUR CIVIL ENGINEER HERE FOR THE PROJECT TO HELP ANSWER SOME QUESTIONS

ABOUT THE DRAINAGE. >> HELLO. I AM JOHN WITH THE CIVIL PLAN OF ENGINEERS. OUR OFFICE IS IN MCKINNEY. JUST TO GIVE A LITTLE HISTORY HERE, WE FEEL LIKE WE COULD HAVE RELEASED THE WATER WITHOUT ANY DETENTION, BECAUSE GEORGE HOPPER, THE CULVERT, COULD HANDLE IT. AND MIKE ASKED FOR A DRAINAGE STUDY FOR THAT. WE LOOKED AT IT AND IT IS NOT VERY CLEAR. WE THOUGHT, YOU KNOW WHAT? THE CLIENT WAS FINE WITH SHOWING FULL RETENTION. SO WHEN YOU ARE SHOWING FULL RETENTION THERE IS REALLY NO NEED FOR THE DRAINAGE PIPE.

WHEN YOU DEVELOP YOUR NOT REQUIRED TO RELEASE LESS FLOW THAN WHAT IS THERE TODAY. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? SO WE ARE PUTTING THE BURDEN ON THE CLIENT TO MAKE SURE THAT IT

NEEDS TO MEET THE STANDARDS. >> CAN YOU SAY IT AGAIN? MIKE

ASKED FOR WHAT? >> HE WANTED US TO PROVE THAT THE CULVERT UNDER GEORGE HOPPER CAN HANDLE FULL FLOWS FROM THE

HOTEL. >> AND WITH A STUDY?

>> YES, WE DID AN INTERNAL STUDY AND ACTUALLY PUT IT ON THE PLANS. WE PROVE THAT IT COULD HANDLE FROM OUR SITE. BUT THERE WAS CONFUSION ON WHAT THE OTHER SITES WERE DESIGNED TO HANDLE BECAUSE IT WAS FROM, I THINK THE PLANS WERE LIKE 30 YEARS OLD. SO THEY WERE BUILT UNDER DIFFERENT STANDARDS AND THERE WAS A LOT OF CONFUSION. AND WE DID NOT WANT TO GO INTO THE WEEDS ON ALL THAT. THERE IS A LOT OF AND'S OPTIONS -- ASSUMPTIONS. TO HAVE THE CITY WITH FULL COMFORT, HE OFFERED FULL RETENTION. THE UNDERGROUND WILL BE VERY LARGE PIPES. IT DEPENDS ON HOW THE CHANNEL OR THE FUTURE PIPE THAT WE LAY. BUT I BELIEVE THAT WE CAN FIT EIGHT FOOT PIPES . IF IT IS FIVE FEET WE JUST MAKE THEM LONGER. THAT IS HOW YOU GET AWAY FROM ABOVE GROUND. LIKE A DETENTION POND.

>> BUT MY CONCERN, WHERE IT IS LEADING, AS I HAVE BEEN AROUND HERE LONG ENOUGH TO WATCH US GROW, WE ARE HAVING FLOODING PROBLEMS. AND SO MY INITIAL KNEE-JERK REACTION WAS, WE NEED A CITYWIDE PLAN THAT PLACES ADDITIONAL STRINGENT REQUIREMENTS UPON THE DEVELOPMENT AS WE GROW, TO CORRECT IT AS WE GO. BUT I WAS INFORMED THAT THAT IS NOT NECESSARILY LEGAL. I AM LEARNING THAT WHAT YOU ARE LOOKING AT IS JUST THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY, WHEN YOU ARE LOOKING AT HOW ARE SAYING BUT I AS A COUNCIL MEETING, SADLY BECAUSE THE WAY THE LAW IS SET UP, I HAVE TO START LOOKING AT WHERE I THINK THAT WATER IS GOING AND HOW DO I THINK THIS IS GOING TO WORK OUT. THE LAW DOES NOT ALLOW FOR A REAL STRATEGIC IMPLEMENTATION OF CARRYOUT THAT FIXES THE PROBLEM DOWN THE STREAM. AND YOU ARE ACTUALLY, IT, I KNOW THAT YOU HAVE CALCULATIONS BUT YOU ARE GETTING, ON ALL THAT HARD SURFACE, IT IS ACCUMULATING AND DISPERSING IN ITS OWN FASHION, QUICKER. THAT IS WHERE MY CONCERN LIES AND WHY I AM MOVING IN A DIRECTION TOWARDS WANTING TO SEE WHERE THINGS ARE GOING. BEFORE WE

ARE ABLE TO -- >> LET ME INTERJECT FOR A MINUTE. AND WITH ALL DUE RESPECT WHAT YOU ARE SAYING, IF YOU LOOK AT THE PROCESS WE'RE GOING THROUGH, MAKING THE DECISION ON ZONING, IS THAT NOT STAFF, AS WE GO THROUGH THE PROCESS, IS THAT NOT A STAFF FUNCTION? THE COUNCIL FUNCTION IS TO ENSURE THE EXACTLY WHAT YOU ARE ASKING.

>> THE PROBLEM I AM FINDING IS STAFF TO BE BEHIND LIMITATIONS ALSO. IS ALSO STATE DIRECTED TO WHERE WE LOCALLY POSSIBLY HAVE TO BE MORE INVOLVED IN MAKING THESE DECISIONS AND HELPING BALANCE ALL OF THIS. IS OUT OF WHACK. I AM SEEING FLOODING GOING ON THAT IS NOT ON DOWN THE WAY. IS NOT BEING

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>> AND WITH RETENTION/DETENTION, IT IS BASICALLY LIKE A BATTERY. ONCE IT GETS FULL YOU STILL NEED TO DUMP THE ACCESS SOMEWHERE. SO SAY THAT WE HAVE THE EXTENDED, VERY HARD RAIN, YOU WILL FILL UP YOUR RETENTION AND THEN YOU WILL HAVE 100% SHED AT THAT POINT. IS MORE WHAT I'M CONCERNED WITH. YOU CAN'T RETAIN EVERYTHING. I KNOW YOU'RE SAYING 100% RETENTION. BUT THAT IS FOR A PERIOD OF TIGHTENED A CERTAIN BRAIN CONDITION. AT SOME POINT YOU

WILL OVERFLOW IT. >> WE ARE ONLY REQUIRED TO RETAIN THE 100 YEAR STORM. AND THERE IS ARE NOT REQUIRED TO ATTAIN A 1000 YEAR STORM. THE LAW ONLY REQUIRES A 100 YEAR STORM. IT WILL RELEASE THE FLOW RATE, WHATEVER IS GOING NORTH IN GEORGE HOPPER TODAY, A GRASSY FIELD, WE ARE RELEASING THE SAME AMOUNT OF WATER. THE DIFFERENCE IS IT WILL RELEASE THAT AMOUNT OF WATER FOR A LONGER PERIOD OF TIME TO SPIT OUT THE VOLUME. SO WE WON'T BE CAUSING ANY ADVERSE IMPACT DOWNSTREAM. BECAUSE YOU KNOW, THAT LONGER PERIOD WHERE THE RAINSTORM IS GONE, THE DOWNSTREAM FACILITIES CAN HANDLE THE FLOW. BUT WHEN I WAS, IT SOUNDS TO ME LIKE, YOU KNOW, WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, YOU WANT US TO RELEASE LESS THAN WHAT IS HAPPENING TODAY.

AND THAT IS WHAT PUTS A BIRD IN --

>> NO, I'M NOT SAYING THAT. MY CONCERN IS WHEN YOU GO FROM A PIECE OF LAND THAT RIGHT NOW ABSORBS AND DRAINS THE WATER DOWN INTO THE EDWARDS, IT DOES NOT SHED NEARLY AS MUCH AS YOU DO WITH A NON-PERMEABLE SURFACE. AS SOON AS YOU PAVE IT OVER, AS SOON AS YOU PUT A HARD ROOF ON IT, ALL OF THAT WATER HAS TO GO SOMEWHERE. AND THEN THE SPEED OF WHICH IT SHEDS IS MUCH QUICKER AS WELL. BECAUSE THERE IS A DELAY PERIOD FOR A PERMEABLE SURFACE BEFORE IT STARTS TO SHED. ALL OF THESE ADDS UP TO, YOU KNOW, MY CONCERN IS WE HAVE HAD TREMENDOUS PROBLEMS WITH FLOODING. ESPECIALLY NEAR THIS AREA. CREEK BEND IS SOMETHING WE ARE ALL INTIMATELY FAMILIAR WITH AND THE FLOODING HAS CAUSED, YOU KNOW, WE BELIEVE PREVIOUS DEVELOPMENTS THAT SAID WE HAVE GOT IT COVERED.

NOW WE ARE IN A SITUATION WHERE IT WAS NOT. SO MY DUE DILIGENCE HERE IS ON BEHALF OF THE PEOPLE THAT WILL BE DEALING WITH THIS IN 10 OR 15 YEARS FROM NOW. I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE ARE NOT APPROVING SOMETHING THAT WILL JUST ADD A COMPOUND

PROBLEM WE ARE EXPERIENCING. >> OUR CALCULATIONS SHOW THAT FOR NEW DEVELOPMENT ON GRASS OR FIELD IS YOU BASICALLY ARE TRIPLING THE AMOUNT OF WATER DOWNSTREAM. SO THE RETENTION BASICALLY COVERS EVERYTHING ABOVE . TRIPLE WATERS GETTING STORED UP IN BEING RELEASED AT THAT MINOR FLOW RATE. THE EXISTING PASTOR IS DRAINING. AFTER THE INFILTRATION, THE CALCULATIONS, TAKING INTO ACCOUNT THE WATER SEEPING IN.

BUT MOST IN THE CITIES WE WORK WHEN THERE IS A DRAINAGE PROBLEM, YOU CANNOT EXPECT NEW DEVELOPMENTS TO BE ABLE TO BE FIXED IN THE EXISTING PROBLEMS. THAT IS SOMETHING THE CITY HAS TO LOOK INTO. ALL WE CAN PROMISES WE WILL NOT MAKE

IT ANY WORSE. >> I THINK THAT IS WHAT WE ARE ASKING HERE FOR . I DON'T THINK ANYONE IS ASKING YOU TO ABSORB THE WATER FROM THE SURROUNDING AREA. WE ARE JUST TRYING TO ENSURE THAT WHAT GOES IN ON THIS PROPERTY IS NOT GOING TO ADD TO INCREASE THE PROPERTIES THAT WE ARE CURRENTLY EXPENSING. -- PROBLEMS THAT WE ARE CURRENTLY

EXPERIENCING. >> I AM HEARING EVERYTHING YOU ARE SAYING BUT A LOT OF IT IS CHINESE BECAUSE I AM NOT UNDERSTANDING A LOT OF THIS. IS EVERYTHING UNDERSTANDING AND SOUNDS GOOD TO YOU? SQUARED AWAY?

>> BASED ON CALCULATIONS, WE TYPICALLY DESIGN IT FOR THE 100 YEAR BUT ALSO RELEASE IT FOR SMALLER STORMS BECAUSE A FIVE, 10, 25 YEAR STORM IS A PRETTY GOOD STORM. YOU WILL HAVE THEM MORE FREQUENTLY THAN THE 100 YEAR. THEY DETAIN AND AND AND THE OUTLET STRUCTURE, SIZE, SO YOU DETAIN THE FIVE, 10, 25, 50, AND 100 YEAR. YOU MAKE THE WHOLE BACK TO 100 YEAR BUT YOU ARE FIXING YOUR OUTLET STRUCTURE SO THAT DURING THOSE FIVE YEARS, 10 YEARS, 25 YEARS, YOU HOLD BACK THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE PRE-AND POST OF ELEMENT FOR SMALLER STORMS.

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>> YOUR LEVEL OF CONCERN IS MINOR RELATED TO THEIR ABILITY

TO DRAIN THE WATER? >> IF DONE PROPERLY, IT WILL BE REVIEWED AS PART OF THE CIVIL PLANS. I AM NOT EXACTLY SURE IF ANY OF THIS PROPERTY WANTS TO GO SOUTH OR IF IT WILL ALL GO TOWARDS GEORGE HOPPER. IF IT GOES TOWARDS GEORGE HOPPER THAT IS A DIFFERENT THING. IF IT IS ALL COLLECTED IN NONE RUNNING TO THE SOUTH THAN IT WOULD HAVE TO GO ACROSS 287, UNDER THE

PROPERTIES, CELL. >> ONCE YOU READ THE CIVIL'S AND THEY DON'T MEET YOUR STANDARDS, WHAT WILL HAPPEN?

>> TYPICALLY WE COME BACK WITH COMMENTS AND WE WILL NOT APPROVE THE PLANS UNTIL THEY ARE APPROVED. WE WOULD NOT RELEASE THE PLANS FOR CONSTRUCTION. THEY WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO GET STARTED. YES, SIR.

>> SO I AM HEARING, OBVIOUSLY THAT WE ARE TRUSTING THE PROCESS INTERESTING OUR STAFF TO KNOW WHAT THEY ARE DOING. I ALSO WANT TO ASK THOUGH, AT THE BEGINNING YOU ASKED FOR A STUDY

DONE. WAS THE STUDY DONE? >> IT WAS NOT. BEFORE THAT THEY WERE INDICATING THAT THEY THINK THEY HAVE THE ABILITY IN THEIR CAPACITY WITHIN THE EXISTING DRAINAGE SYSTEM TO JUST FULL

DISCHARGE AT THE FULL FLOW. >> THAT IS ABOVE AND BEYOND

WHAT YOU ASK? >> NO, COMING BACK WITH DETENTION IS WHAT IS NEEDED. AT THIS POINT THEY WILL DO THE STUDY AS PART OF THE CIVIL PLANS BUT ORIGINALLY WE DON'T KNOW HOW THAT WAS DESIGNED BECAUSE I WASN'T HERE WHEN THAT WAS DONE. AND IT LOOKED LIKE THEY HAD SOME OTHER VISION. I THINK A LOT OF IT WAS LISTED AS SINGLE FAMILY WHICH IS A DIFFERENT FLOW RATE FROM THE DEVELOPED FLOW THAT YOU SEE FOR A COMMERCIAL TYPE USE. COMING IN AND SAYING THAT WE WILL DO THE ON SITE DETENTION THAT COVERS THE SITE, THAT IS WHAT WE ARE LOOKING FOR. AND NOT ME TO COME BACK AND SAY YOU ARE DOING THE ASSESSMENT TO SHOW THE DOWNSTREAM WILL NOT BE IMPACTED. THEY WILL DETAIN THE FLOW.

>> I'VE A QUESTION FOR TRENTON.

>> I'VE GOT ANOTHER ONE ON THE WATER. SORRY.

>> THIS TYPE OF RETENTION/DETENTION, I AM NOT FAMILIAR WITH AND I HAVE NEVER SEEN A. YOU KNOW? I KNOW WHAT THE STANDARD RETENTION/DETENTION POND, DUE TO SEDIMENTS, YOU PERIODICALLY HAVE TO GO THROUGH AND DRUDGE THEM OUT, CLEAN THEM OUT IN ORDER FOR THEM TO CONTINUE EFFICIENCY. WHAT PROVISIONS ARE THERE TO DO THAT WITH SOMETHING BURIED UNDERGROUND? UNDER A PARKING LOT? I DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW WE CAN MAINTAIN THOSE AND ENSURE THAT THEY WILL CONTINUE

TO BE EFFECTIVE. >> SOME HAVE INSPECTION PORTS WHERE YOU CAN INSPECT AND SEE AND CLEAN AS WELL. I'M NOT SURE ON THIS IF THEY HAVE CHOSEN THE DESIGN YET ON THAT. BUT THEY DO HAVE THAT PROVISION. WHERE YOU CAN ACTUALLY INSPECT AND CLEAN

AS WELL. >> I WOULD WANT TO ENSURE THAT WHATEVER INTENTION , WHATEVER RETENTION/DETENTION, THEY CAN

MAINTAIN IT TO STANDARDS. >> MY ONLY OTHER QUESTION, NOT TO REFLECT THAT STAFF OR PAST DEVELOP IT HAS DONE ANYTHING WRONG, I BELIEVE THEY'VE DONE EVERY THING RIGHT. BUT WE HAVE TO AT LEAST AGREE THAT WHILE WE HAVE DONE EVERYTHING RIGHT, AND ALL THE CALCULATIONS HAVE BEEN DONE CORRECTLY, THAT THERE ARE PARAMETERS THAT YOURSELF AND DEVELOPERS HAD TO OPERATE WITHIN ON A PROPERTY BY PROPERTY BASIS. AND EVEN AFTER, OPERATING WITH ALL THOSE PARAMETERS PROPERLY, THAT WE HAVE A WORSE FLOODING PROBLEM TODAY THAN WE DID. AND IT HAS GROWN OVER TIME. I HAVE WATCHED IT YEAR AFTER YEAR. THIS IS WHERE MY CONCERN STILL LIES. I DON'T KNOW. THIS ISN'T THE SAME TYPE OF AUTOMOBILE TRAFFIC ISSUE, BUT IT IS A WATER TRAFFIC ISSUE FOR ME. I KNOW IT HAS BEEN FOCUSED ON THIS FOR THE PAST YEAR SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT ALL THE ANSWERS ARE. I WANT TO STRESS THAT I DON'T THINK YOU ARE THE DEVELOPER HAS DONE ANYTHING WRONG AT ALL. YOU HAVE DONE EVERYTHING TO MAKE IT EVEN BETTER. BUT EVEN THEN I AM CONCERNED FOR WHAT I AM SEEING HAPPENING WITH THE FLOODING ISSUES.

>> YOU WOULD AGREE THAT WE HAVE WORSE FLOODING NOW.

>> ANYTIME YOU DEVELOPMENT. YES, SIR. YOU ARE INCREASING THE FLOW. EVEN WITH THE MOST, YOU KNOW, THE BEST DESIGN. YOU HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT THE FACILITIES ARE BEING MAINTAINED

AT ALL TIMES. >> ANNA?

>> I AM GOING TO WATCH JOE'S FACE, TO SEE IF I CAN ASKED THIS QUESTION. I AM TRYING TO DECIDE IF I AM STRUGGLING WITH THE HAMPTON INN AND SUITES BEING ON THE BACK. AND THE ORDER OF THE HOTELS AND WHAT YOU CAN SEE FROM THE HIGHWAY.

OKAY, JOE HAS NOT MADE A FACE. OKAY. BECAUSE THE BRANDS ARE

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FORWARD. >> THAT IS WHY BETWEEN P&Z COMMISSION AND CITY COUNCIL, YOU CAN MAKE CHANGES WITH THE MASONRY, MAKING SURE REQUIREMENTS WERE MET, WE DECIDED TO GO ABOVE AND BEYOND WHAT THE CODE WAS ALREADY REQUIRING. WE TRIED TO DO THAT KNOWING THAT IT WOULD HAVE THAT

PERSPECTIVE. >> WHAT IS THE CONCERN, OR THE ASSUMPTION THAT THE HAMPTON IS LIKE A NICER BRAND? BECAUSE I HAVE STAYED AT SOME HOME 2 AND I HAVE SEEN THEM TO BE MUCH NICER THAN SOME HAMPTON INNS THAT I HAVE STAYED AT. I GUESS IT'S JUST PERSONAL PREFERENCE. I WAS TRYING TO CLARIFY WHERE

YOU WERE COMING FROM. >> THAT WAS MY THOUGHT. WHAT

ED? >>

>> THAT IS WHY WHEN THE BRANDS ARE THROWN OUT THERE --

>> IF YOU COULD TALK ABOUT THE DESIGN AND STRUCTURES

THEMSELVES. >> AGAIN AND IS ZONING. WHAT YOU APPROVE OR DISAPPROVE, WHETHER OR NOT THIS GETS APPROVED, THE HOTEL, WHERE THEY ARE LOCATED, YOU CAN

DISCUSS. >> OUR LAST HOTEL DISCUSSION WAS ALL ABOUT THE BRAND. IS LATELY ALL ABOUT THE BRAND.

>> I AM IN AGREEMENT. WITH WHAT ED SAID, TO A POINT. I BELIEVE WE HAVE A NUMBER OF HOTEL SITES AROUND HERE WITH THE WEBER GROUP, AT SHADY GROVE, THERE'S ANOTHER ONE. I CANNOT REMEMBER. WHAT I AM KEEPING IN MIND THROUGH ALL OF THIS CONSIDERATION WITH THIS PARTICULAR SITE IS THIS IS THE MOST PRISTINE, HIGHEST LEVEL TURNING POINT SITE AND OUR ENTIRE CITY. IT IS THE TRUEST GATEWAY TO WHO WE ARE. THE TOURIST GATEWAY TO WHOM WE WILL REPRESENT IN 30 YEARS. WHAT WE PUT THERE TODAY WILL BE WHAT WE DRIVE BY AND LOOK AND SAY THAT IS MIDLOTHIAN, TEXAS, IN 20 TO 30 YEARS. IT IS A ONE-TIME SHOT. AND THEY CAN SAY THAT WE WILL BRING THE FACADE UP OVER TIME, WE DO REMODELS AND ALL THAT. THIS IS A ONE-TIME GIG. I DO BELIEVE HOTELS BELONG HERE ON THIS SITE, WITHOUT A DOUBT. BUT I, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE OUR FOOTBALL STADIUM THERE AND OUR HOSPITAL IS THERE. SO I AM GOING TO CONTINUE TO LISTEN. THAT IS WHAT I AM LOOKING AT. THAT BEND OF HIGHWAY. WHEN YOU ROLL AROUND IT, IT IS THE VERY HIGHEST POINT , THAT BEND OF HIGHWAY, AND THAT IS

MIDLOTHIAN, TEXAS. >> I COMPLETELY AGREE. AND ONE THING I ALSO REMEMBER IS THAT WE CHOSE THIS SITE SPECIFICALLY FOR THOSE REASONS. WE THOUGHT WE HAD A GREAT PRODUCT COMING FORWARD, WE THOUGHT THAT THE ARCHITECTURE, WE WENT ABOVE AND BEYOND WHAT OTHER HOME 2 SUITES, HAMPTON INNS HAVE DONE. WE ALSO FEEL THAT OUR BRAND HAS BEEN SUCCESSFUL. IF YOU DRIVE UP TO DESOTO, HOME 2 SUITES IS ONE OF THE HIGHEST GROSSING HOTELS. WE FEEL THAT THIS BLENDS WITH THE SURROUNDING AREA. THE BASE ZONING IS THE HEAVIEST COMMERCIAL THAT YOU CAN DO. IN THE PLANNING AND DEVELOPING DISTRICT WE HAVE BEEN ABLE TO CONTROL IT AND YOU ARE REQUIRED, THIS IS WHAT YOU WILL GET. YOU WILL SEE THESE BUILDINGS AND THESE ARE THE ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPING REQUIREMENTS. WE HAVE GONE ABOVE AND BEYOND THE LANDSIDE LANDSCAPING REQUIREMENTS. WE HAVE GONE ABOVE AND BEYOND WHAT THE REGULAR ORDINANCE STATES. AND SOME OF THAT YOU POTENTIALLY WHEN IT GET UNDER THE BY RIGHT ZONING OF THE

COMMERCIAL DISTRICT. >> IS THE PROPERTY IN THE

FRONT, WE ON THAT ALSO? >> OUR CLIENTS ARE ONLY UNDER CONTRACT FOR THIS PORTION RIGHT HERE.

>> WHAT IS THAT PORTION? THOSE BUILDINGS.

>> THAT WAS A CONCEPTUAL PLAN THAT WE THREW TOGETHER LIKE IT WAS FULLY DEVELOPED OUT. BUT WE HAVE NO INVOLVEMENT. MY CLIENT, THEY DON'T OWN ANY OF THIS. THEY ARE UNDER CONTRACT FOR THIS BACK PORTION. THEY HAVE NO OWNERSHIP OF THIS OR POTENTIAL

OWNERSHIP FOR THIS. >> THE REASON I ASK, I AM NOT AN ARCHITECT, BUT I DO KNOW WHAT IS PLEASING TO MY EYES.

WHEN I SEE THAT BREAKUP, THAT ARTICULATION THERE, VERSUS THE

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THAT CORRECT? >> THIS IS ABOVE WHAT THEY WOULD REQUIRE FOR THE HAMPTON INNS. BY FAR.

>> AND THIS IS PART OF THE HILTON LINE?

>> CORRECT. WHAT WE ARE DOING WITH THE LANDSCAPING, THE STONE AND MASONRY, STRUCTURES WITH THE DRIVE-THROUGH COMING IN FOR EACH BUILDING, IT IS ALL ABOVE AND BEYOND WHAT YOU SEE AT ANY OTHER HAMPTON INNS OR HOME 2 SUITES.

>> I JUST CAME BY THE HAMPTON INN THE OTHER DAY, OVER AT W LANE IN MANSFIELD. IT HAS SOME, I DO NOT KNOW IF THAT IS COUNTRY SAND STONE AND OFTEN STONE. IT IS A HAMPTON INN OVER

THERE. >> IF THAT IS SOMETHING YOU

WOULD APPRECIATE -- >> I'M JUST ASKING. I AM ASKING JOE ALSO. TO ME IT WAS AT LEAST A VERY NICE STRUCTURE, BUT I WILL SAY THIS, IT WAS THE SAME DESIGN . THAT IS WHY AM ALSO KIND OF QUESTIONING THAT CURVE, WHAT BELONGS THERE.

>> RIGHT, I BELIEVE THAT IS AN OLDER HAMPTON INN. THEY ARE ACTUALLY GOING IN AND REFACING THE WALL AND TAKING OUT A LOT OF THOSE. WE ARE SEEING A HIGHER DEMAND FROM CITIES AND AREAS THAT HAVE A DIFFERENT DESIGN STYLE. THEY ARE REFACING A LOT OF THE ONES YOU ARE SEEING. BUT YES, WHAT WE ARE PROPOSING AGAIN IS ABOVE THE STANDARD OF WHAT THEY REQUIRE FOR OUR HOTELS, ANYWHERE ELSE. GOING FROM LANDSCAPING ALL THE WAY UP TO ARTICULATION. WE ARE EXCEEDING

THAT. >> I'VE GOT A QUESTION FOR JOE. SO, IN THIS PROCESS, IS THERE ANYTHING LEGALLY FORCING THESE PARTICULAR BRANDS ONTO THESE PARTICULAR HOTEL STRUCTURES? I MEAN COULDN'T SOMEBODY THEORETICALLY BY OUT HAMPTON INN THREE MONTHS FROM NOW AND THEN THAT COULD BE A DIFFERENT NAME ON THE SIDE OF THE BUILDING.

>> THEY WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK BEFORE US TO GET THE EXHIBITS

AND SITE PLANS AND SO FORTH. >> SIGNAGE.

>> ON THE PD. THE PD IS BRAND SPECIFIC TO THE HOTELS. THEY WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK BEFORE US.

>> ONCE BUILT WITH A HAVE TO DO THAT? BECAUSE IT IS ALREADY ZONED. SO SOME OTHER HOTEL COULD BE IN THERE.

>> IT IS NOT ZONED BY RIGHT AS YOU WOULD THINK. IT IS OWNED THROUGH THE PD WHICH HAVE ALL THESE STIPULATIONS, SITE PLANS, BUILT IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE SITE PLANS, PHASE I AND PHASE

II, WITH THE LANDSCAPE PLAN. >> SO ONLY A HAMPTON INN AND 24 CAN BE IN THESE TWO BUILDINGS. AND IF ANYTHING EVER CHANGES WITH THAT IT WOULD COME IN FRONT OF US?

>> NO, FROM THE ZONING ASPECT, IF THEY BUILT THE HAMPTON INN FIRST, OR THE HOME 2 SUITES FIRST, AND THEN THEY DECIDE WE WILL BUILD A DIFFERENT PRODUCT WHERE THE HAMPTON INN IS, AND THAT WILL CHANGE FROM WHAT WE HAVE HERE, THAT HAS COME BACK

BEFORE US FOR THE AMENDMENT. >> I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT WHAT THEY ARE BUILDING. I AM TALKING ABOUT ONCE --

>> ONCE IT IS BUILT AND THEY DECIDE TO CHANGE THAT, THAT WOULD NOT COME BEFORE US. THAT IS WHAT YOU ARE REFERRING

TO, RIGHT? >> SO THE ONLY THING WE CAN CONTROL IS THAT BUILDING, THE WAY IT LOOKS THERE.

>> YOU ARE CONTROLLING THE ZONING AND THEN ANY CHANGES TO WHAT THE BASE ZONING REQUIREMENTS WOULD BE FOR THIS TYPE. ADDING TO THE BASE OWN REQUIREMENTS, AGAIN WHAT IS IN

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>> IS THAT SIGN ON THERE THAT SAYS HAMPTON INN AND SUITES PART OF WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT?

>> IT IS INCLUDED AS PART OF, THE INCLUSION IN HERE, I DON'T SEE THE -- THE SIGN REQUIREMENTS.

>> YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND. RIGHT?

>> I GUESS I'M NOT UNDERSTANDING.

>> I'M NOT TRYING, I GUESS, GO AHEAD, CHRIS.

>> I THINK THE ARCHITECTURE IS THE MAIN THING. IF HAMPTON INN AND SUITES IS AT THE SIGN PLAN, TO WHAT YOU ARE SAYING, WHAT WE CAN CONTROL IS ARCHITECTURE. BECAUSE THAT IS THE ZONE. AND THE MATERIALS. SO I THINK, --

>> DOES THIS MEET ALL ARCHITECTURAL STANDARDS?

>> AM NO ARCHITECT EITHER. OBVIOUSLY. BUT I DO THINK THAT THIS IS THE SITE FOR HOTELS. AND WE JUST NEED THE HIGHEST AND BEST. I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE. I DON'T THINK WE ARE FAR OFF, PERSONALLY. BUT MY PERSONAL PERSPECTIVE IS WE ARE NOT QUITE THERE. SO I AM STRUGGLING WITH

IT. >>

>> NO, WE ARE CLOSED. >> SO TO THAT, MIKE OR JUSTIN, JUST FOR MY UNDERSTANDING ON SOME OF THE THOUGHT PROCESS, WHAT WOULD BE , IF IT IS APPROPRIATE FOR THERE TO BE A HOTEL THERE IN YOUR OPINION , WHAT IS IT MISSING? OR WHAT ARE YOU MISSING THERE, I GUESS WHAT I'M ASKING.

>> IS GOING TO BE ARCHITECTURAL. I UNDERSTAND IT HAS ARTICULATE PARTICULAR NATIONS. -- THAT IS FRONT FACING. CLASSES OF THE HIGHWAY. I DON'T KNOW. I DON'T KNOW HOW TO DESCRIBE WHAT I AM AFTER. YOU CAN LOOK AT PICTURES ONLINE FOR HIGHER-QUALITY. NOT THAT THIS IS LOW-QUALITY. I THINK YOU ALL HAVE DONE A GOOD JOB BUT I DON'T THINK IT IS QUITE THERE TO THE STANDARD OF WHAT I WOULD PREFER TO SEE IN THAT VERY VISIBLE COURT OR. IF THAT MAKE SENSE. -- CORRIDOR. IF THAT MAKE SENSE.

>> I THINK THIS MEETS THE BAR FOR TODAY. AND POSSIBLY THE NEXT 3 TO 5 YEARS. I THINK THIS MEETS THE BAR. I THINK THEY'VE DONE A GREAT JOB. I DO NOT LIKE THE HOME 2 SUITES ALONE ON THIS SIDE. I WOULD RATHER THE MAIN FRONT ON THE HIGHWAY SIDE. I WOULD LIKE TO TRY TO FIND A WAY TO WORK WITH THEM TO GET TO WHERE WE ARE GOING TO BE. AND I DON'T WANT THEM TO LEAVE. HOTELS BELONG IN THE SPOT. BUT WHEN I THINK ABOUT WHERE I BELIEVE MIDLOTHIAN IS HEADED, I DON'T BELIEVE I KNOW WHERE MIDLOTHIAN IS HEADED IN BUILDOUT, IN THE DOWNTOWN. IS GOING TO BE A MASSIVE AMOUNT OF STUFF GOING ON IN THE NEXT 10 TO 15 YEARS IN THE BUILDOUT OF DOWNTIME, IF WE WANT IT TO SURVIVE PROPERLY. AND IT WILL. THIS IS NOT SOMETHING THAT I WILL DRIVE BY IN 15 YEARS, EVEN WITH A FACELIFT ON IT AND KNOW THAT I MADE A DECISION. THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH IT. BUT I NEEDED TO SEE COME UP A NOTCH ON ARTICULATION, DESIGN, THE BUILDING, THE STYLE. THEY DONE A GREAT JOB AT TRYING TO PULL FACADES OUT, CHANGE BRICK. BUT I THINK IT IS MISSING SOME POP. IS NOT GOING TO HAVE THE POP THAT I NEED TO SEE. WHEN WE DO THIS IT IS DONE. FOR 20 OR 30

YEARS. >>

>> WELL IF THAT IS DONE THEN WE ARE DONE FOR 20 OR 30 YEARS.

AND I DON'T KNOW, I DON'T KNOW, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE ARE EVEN ALLOWING THEM TO DO WITHIN THE ABILITIES WE HAVE AS A CITY TO HELP THEM IN WAYS TO MAKE SURE WE GET WHAT THE CITY IS DUE. I DON'T KNOW IF WE HAVE GONE DOWN THAT REALM, TO BE HONEST. THEY HAVE DONE ALL THEY COULD DO. I KNOW THAT

WITHOUT A DOUBT. >> I'M READY TO MAKE A MOTION.

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>> OKAY. >> FINAL DISCUSSION?

>> I JUST HAD ONE FINAL QUESTION. DO YOU MIND TO HOLD

THE MOTION? >> SURE.

>> CAN YOU REEXPLAIN, JUST ONE POINT OF CLARITY, THE TIME FROM P&Z, TO NOW, I KNOW THAT WAS IN JANUARY. YOU SAID YOU GUYS WERE WORKING WITH COUNCIL AND THE CITY. WE DID HAVE

EIGHT >> WE DID HAVE A MEETING WITH STAFF AND COUNCIL MEMBERS. I REACHED OUT TO COUNCIL MEMBERS TO BE TRANSPARENT AND SHOW THEM WHAT IT WAS.

>> THE CHANGES WERE OUT OF THOSE MEETINGS?

>> PLANNING COMMISSION RECOMMENDATION. THEY RECOMMENDED APPROVAL. ONE COMMISSIONER HAD CONCERNS WITH

THE ARCHITECTURE. >> OKAY. THANK YOU.

>> I MAKE A MOTION. >> I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SAY, I WOULD LIKE SOME DISCUSSION THAT WHATEVER MOTION IS MADE , NO MATTER WHAT HAPPENS, WE HAVE, THEY HAVE THE ABILITY TO CARRY

ON IF NEEDED. >> ABSOLUTELY.

>> OKAY. >> MR. YOUNG, DO YOU WANT TO

-- >>

>> IF YOU WOULD HIT THAT RED BUTTON.

>> IT IS RED AGAIN. I AM DIRK YOUNG. I AM THE PROPERTY OWNER OUT HERE AND HAVE BEEN HERE SINCE 1985. MY DAD, IN 1985, HE BUILT THE SHOPPING CENTER UP WHERE THE MIDLOTHIAN SHOPPING PLAZA, WHERE THERE WAS NOTHING ELSE EAST OF TOWN. WE OPERATED THE GROCERY STORE FOR 15 YEARS. WE BUILT THE FIRST CO-BRAND, THE JACK-IN-THE-BOX, THE CHEVRON. ME AND MY WIFE. WE WERE ABLE TO ACQUIRE PROPERTY AS WE WENT ALONG TO THE GRACE OF GOD. AND WE BROUGHT MCDONALD'S, WHATABURGER, AND TRICKSTERS, TO A TOWN THAT DIDN'T DESERVE A GROCERY STORE. HOURS WAS 23,000 SQUARE FEET. WE COULDN'T MAKE IT. WE WERE HERE 15 YEARS AND COULD NOT MAKE IT. AND THE ECONOMY TURNED OUT PRETTY BAD. MITCHELLS, REVCO, THEY WENT OUT OF BUSINESS. THINGS CHANGE. AS TIME GOES, THINGS CHANGE. I HAVE BEEN FORTUNATE TO PUT A BUNCH OF THINGS TOGETHER WITH THE --, MCDONALD'S, AND WHATABURGER. IN THE STORY OF HOW IT CAME TO PASS IS UNBELIEVABLE. THE JACK-IN-THE-BOX AND THE CO-BRAND UNIT THAT WE HAVE WITH CHEVRON CAME UP TO THE VERY FIRST, A VERY LAST DAY AND ALMOST FELL THROUGH. THE -- DEAL WHERE WE TALK TO THE CITY ABOUT, IT FELL THROUGH AFTER SIX WEEKS OF COMMENTS. THEY THREW IT UP AGAINST THE WALL AND SAID GET OUT OF MIDLOTHIAN.

WE WILL GO TO -- AND BUILD A FLAGSHIP STORE SOMEWHERE ELSE.

AND I WENT IN AND TALKED TO JOE, THE CITY MANAGER. WE CHANGED THAT. ONE PHONE CALL. THEY HAD THE OPPORTUNITY. THAT WAS THE BIGGEST BOX WE HAD EVER BUILT. THE BIGGEST BOX IN MIDLOTHIAN. NONE OF THE CODES EVEN TALKED ABOUT BUILDING THAT BIG. WE HAD TO REWRITE EVERYTHING. BUT NEVERTHELESS WE GOT IT DONE. AS TIME WENT ON THE HIGHWAY CAME IN THE BACK.

YOU KNOW THE WAY IT IS FACED. EVERYBODY KNEW THAT WE NEEDED A GROCERY STORE. IT IS FOR THE GREATER GOOD. WE NEEDED A BIG GROCERY STORE. AND WE KNEW IT WAS RACING THE HIGHWAY, THE BACK OF IT. THE BACK OF IT STILL FACES THE HIGHWAY TODAY.

ONE OF THE MOST BEAUTIFUL PIECES OF PROPERTY IN THE WORLD AND IT IS FACING THE HIGHWAY. WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO DO AT THE FRONT, LET ME STOP FOR A SECOND, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME TOO. THE CORNER, WHEN WE PUT THE CHICKEN EXPRESS IN, WE WERE ABLE TO BUY 4.7 ACRES ON THE CORNER AND WE HELD IT FOR FOUR YEARS. TRYING TO GET DIFFERENT STUFF. THE ECONOMY WAS TURNED OFF. ANYWAY, WE GOT A CALL FROM METHODIST.

METHODIST WANTED TO BUY THE 4.7 ACRES AND BUILD A PROFESSIONAL BUILDING. WE WORKED WITH THEM FOR SIX OR SEVEN MONTHS. NOT EVEN THAT LONG. THREE MONTHS. THEN TEXAS HEALTH BUILT A STORE, A HOSPITAL IN MANSFIELD. IT MADE METHODIST MAD. YOU ARE BUILDING A HOSPITAL NEXT TO ME IN MANSFIELD? WE WILL BUILD A HOSPITAL IN MIDLOTHIAN. THEY CAME TO ME AND WE SAT DOWN AND WE TALKED AND THEY WERE LOOKING FOR 60 SOMETHING ACRES IN MIDLOTHIAN. I WORKED WITH STEVE AND JERRY ON SOME 3-D STUFF THAT I DID. I DID THE 3-D ANIMATION, I DO ALL OF THE COMMUNITY PARK IN THE DESIGN OF THE COMMUNITY PARK. A WONDERFUL THING TODAY. PITIFUL. SO, WE HAD A SHORT LIST OF AREAS WE WENT TO. WE SETTLED ON THE 66

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THE PART THAT WE TRIED TO GET CITY HALL COME OUT AND BUILD THE FIRE, THE POLICE, THE CITY HALL WITH THE BIG DETENTION POND, THE BIG PIER THAT WENT OUT TO FISH. A LOT OF THINGS WE TALKED ABOUT DOING. THE HOSPITAL, BEING HERE ALMOST 40 YEARS, THE HOSPITAL IS -- I ALWAYS REFER TO IT AS OUR PROBLEM WIN. WHATEVER WE DO IN MIDLOTHIAN IS VERY IMPORTANT TO TAKE CARE OF THE PROM QUEEN. FOR THE LAST FIVE YEARS WE HAVE HAD STRIP CENTERS COME UP THERE AND WANT TO BUILD SHOPPING CENTERS. NO, GAS STATIONS, NO. WE HAVE HAD MCCOYS COME UP THERE AND TRY TO PUT THEIR LUMBERYARD UP THERE. NO. STORAGE UNITS. A WIDE VARIETY OF STUFF. FOR THE LAST SIX OR SEVEN YEARS I TOLD THEM NO. I HAVE A VISION. I WANT HOTELS UP HERE. I HAVE HAD TWO OTHER BRANDS, THREE BRANDS, THREE BRANDS OF HOTELS. NO, NO, NO. AND JAMIE, YOU KNOW JAMIE, SHE IS THE BROKER FOR THE DEVELOPER. WHEN JAMIE BRINGS YOU SOMETHING IT IS REAL. IT IS REAL. AND ME AND JAMIE ARE VERY GOOD FRIENDS. JAMIE BRINGS ME HILTON. AND THE FIRST THING I DID IS SAY LET'S TALK. LET ME SEE YOUR PLAN. YOU WANT TO BUILD ONE HOTEL? NO, I WANT TWO HOTELS.

SO FOR THE LAST EIGHT MONTHS WE HAVE HAD ABOUT EIGHT DIFFERENT DESIGNS. IN THE PROPERTY, THE SITE THE TATES WHERE THE HOTELS GO. IT IS NOT A PREFERENCE OF I LIKE THAT ONE IN THE FRONT OR THAT ONE IN THE BACK. YOU LIKE MCDONALD'S, I LIKE JACK-IN-THE-BOX, YOU LIKE CHIK-FIL-A, I LIKE CHICKEN EXPRESS. THESE HOTELS, IN MY OPINION, THEY ARE BEAUTIFUL.

THEY WILL BE A HUGE ASSET AND THEY WILL COMPLEMENT THE HOSPITAL. WE HAVE ASKED , TALK TO BUSINESS OWNERS OUT HERE. I HAVE PERSONALLY. I KNOW THEM ALL. THEY LOVE THE IDEA. THEY LOVE THE IDEA OF HILTON. WHO HAVE YOU GOT COMING? HILTON.

UNBELIEVABLE. THAT'S A BIG DEAL. THESE HOTELS ARE $15 MILLION A PIECE AND THEY ARE MAKING US BUILD A ROAD. WE WILL BUILD A PORTION OF IT AND THEY WILL STILL THINK ABOUT BUILDING A PORTION OF IT. THIS RED SHOULD'VE BEEN PIGGYBACKED ON THE BACK AT THE HOSPITAL. IT IS BEEN ON THE PLAN FOR 30 YEARS. AND IT WASN'T BUILT AT ALL. AND I HAVE BEEN HERE LONG ENOUGH TO KNOW, I SEE THIS STUFF ACROSS THE STREET. IT IS STILL RIGHT THERE ON THE HIGHWAY. WE HAVE A HOTEL AND A CONFERENCE CENTER OVER THERE THAT WE NEED. WE HAVE TO HAVE.

WE USE IT A LOT. BUT IF YOU PUT THEM UP AGAINST OTHER HOTELS AND CONFERENCE CENTERS, HOW DO THEY ADD UP? PUT OUR HOSPITAL NEXT TO OTHER HOSPITALS, HOW DOES IT ADD UP? YOU KNOW WHAT? THAT IS OUR HOSPITAL. THAT'S WHAT I TELL THEM. I DON'T CARE WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE. TO ME IT IS BEAUTIFUL, A BEAUTIFUL PIECE ON TOP OF THAT HILL. IT LOOKS BEAUTIFUL. WE HAVE A BEAUTIFUL FOOTBALL STADIUM. I WAS ON THE SCHOOL BOARD AND WE HELP PASS, I WAS ON THE DESIGN BOARD FOR THE FIELD. IS THE FOOTBALL FIELD AS PRETTY AS ALLEN'S? NO, BUT IT IS HOURS. THAT IS WHERE WE GO TO LIVE AND THAT IS WHERE WE GO TOGETHER AND WHERE WE GO TO PLAY AND WIN. THAT IS WERE OTHER TOWNS COME TO PLAY ON OUR FIELD. IT IS SPECIAL TO US. IT LOOKS WONDERFUL TO US. THOSE ARE THINGS I HAVE HELPED PUT TOGETHER HERE, ALONG WITH A LOT OF COMMUNITY MEMBERS ON THE SCHOOL BOARD AND THE COUNCIL. OVER THE YEARS. AND YOU GUYS HAVE SOME, SOME WONDERFUL IDEAS. AND WONDERFUL OPINIONS.

THERE IS NO RIGHT OPINION AND THERE IS NO WRONG OPINION. AT THE END OF THE DAY WE NEED SOME MORE HOTELS. AND TOMORROW, NEXT MEETING, NEXT MEETING YOU WILL HAVE A LIST OF FULL DIFFERENT AGENDA ITEMS YOU WILL BE TACKLING. WHOEVER HAS A BIG DEVELOPMENT DOWN THE STREET COMING UP, THIS ONE OVER HERE, THE KROGER, IT IS BEAUTIFUL. YOU TALK ABOUT CHANGING THE NAMES, I HAVE NO IDEA. IF SOMEONE CAME INTO OFFER KROGER, ROSS, THEN IT WOULD BE A DIFFERENT NAME. WHAT YOU ARE DOING IS PROTECTING THE INTEGRITY OF THE LOCATION, THE INFRASTRUCTURE, AND THE SUSTAINABILITY WITHIN THE COMMUNITY AND HOW LONG IT WILL LAST. WILL IT BE BENEFICIAL TO THE COMMUNITY? AND HOW LONG IT WILL WANT TO DO. I CANNOT SPEAK FOR -- BUT TOM TOM IS COMING DOWN THE STREET. WE HAVE HEB PROBABLY COMING SOMEDAY AND WE HAVE KROGER. WE HAVE A LOT OF THINGS HAPPENING. THE LITTLE GUYS ARE ALWAYS PUSHED OUT. I DON'T KNOW HOW LONG THEY WILL LAST. THEY ARE A GREAT COMPANY WILL PROBABLY BE HERE A LONG TIME AND I HOPE THEY ARE. BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY THERE IS NOT

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THERE IS NO ENTRANCE ANYWHERE. THE FRONT ENTRANCE WOULD BE MY PROPERTY AND WE HAVE WORKED OUT AN EASEMENT AGREEMENT WITH THEM. WE'VE BEEN TALKING WITH DAN WITH METHODIST. WE HAVE AN INTEREST OFF OF METHODIST WAY. ONCE WE DEVELOP WEAVER WAY, THEN WE HAVE THE WEST ACCESS. WITH PLENTY OF ACCESS TO THIS SITE. WHEN METHODIST COMES TO YOU WITH THEIR SECOND TOWER, AND THEY ARE OBVIOUSLY GOING TO BE BUILDING ANOTHER TOWER. THEY ARE WORKING ON PLANS RIGHT NOW. AS WE GO WANT TO GET BIGGER AND BIGGER THAT THING IS GOING TO MORPH INTO A HUGE SITE. WHICH IS THE PLAN FOR METHODIST. WE HAVE ALSO BEEN TALKING TO RESTAURANTS ON THE FRONT. I HAVE BEEN TALKING TO RESTAURANTS FOR SIX YEARS. I HAVE BEEN TELLING THEM I HAVE TWO HILTON HOTELS COMING. WE NEED 40,000 PEOPLE IN A THREE MILE CIRCLE. AND YOU HAVE 28. QUIT CALLING ME. THESE ARE RESTAURANTS. QUIT CALLING ME. WHEN THE HOTEL SIGN AND APPROVE THEN MAYBE DROP ME AN EMAIL. BUT I CANNOT GET, I CANNOT BUY YOU GENTLEMEN AND LADIES A STEAK DINNER TONIGHT OTHER THAN A COUPLE LOCAL PEOPLE. I CANNOT GET YOU SOMETHING FROM SAWGRASS OR ROADHOUSE OR POMPOUS. THEY ARE NOT COMING IN THEY ARE NOT HERE. BUT THEY WILL BE HERE SOMEDAY IF WE KEEP DOING WHAT WE ARE DOING. WHICH IS BEING CONSERVATIVE ABOUT OUR DEVELOPMENT AND OUR COMMUNITY AND NOT WHAT WE NEED IN 10 YEARS BUT WHAT DO WE NEED RIGHT NOW. THAT WILL BENEFIT US IN 10 YEARS FROM NOW. IN 10 YEARS FROM NOW THERE WILL BE 20 HOTELS OUT HERE. SO ANYWAY, THANK YOU. ALSO I WANT TO SAY ONE MORE THING TOO. WHEN WE FIRST STARTED THIS THING I HAD CALLED JUSTIN , THE MAYOR. AND I REQUESTED A MEETING. AND HE DID NOT KNOW ME FROM ANYBODY. AND THIS IS IMPORTANT TO ME.

THIS HAS CLASS TO ME. I HAVE CALLED HIM TWICE. BOTH TIMES HE HAS MET WITH ME. I REALLY APPRECIATE THAT A LOT. A LOT OF CITIZENS DO NOT GET THAT FROM THE MAYOR. AND YOU ARE A GOOD GUY. I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR THAT TOO. WE HAVE BEEN WORKING ON THIS FOR EIGHT MONTHS AND I HOPE THAT YOU WILL PASS THE DEAL. WE HAVE A LOT OF WORK STILL TO DO WITH THE ARCHITECTURAL, THE ENGINEERING OF THE SITE. I AM LOOKING FOR TWO RESTAURANTS ON THE FRONT AND I WILL GET THEM. THEN WE WILL TACKLE ALL THOSE THINGS TOO THAT COME UP WITH THAT.

BUT STAFF HAS BEEN WONDERFUL. THEY ARE WORKING REAL HARD BEHIND THIS PROJECT. I JUST HOPE THAT WE TURN IT OVER TO THE PROFESSIONALS AFTER WE GET YOUR INPUT AND WE LET THE PROFESSIONALS DO WHAT THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO DO. AT THE END OF THE DAY IT WILL NOT GET PAST MIKE, COBY, ALL THESE GUYS , CHRIS, CLYDE, IT WILL NOT GET PAST THEM WITHOUT BEING RUN THROUGH THE RINGER. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. I APPRECIATE

THAT. >> APPRECIATE YOUR KIND WORDS.

THANK YOU, SIR. MANY WOULD AGREE WITH A LOT OF THE SENTIMENTS THAT MR. YOUNG JUST SAID. I THINK IT WOULD BE IN AGREEMENT OR DISAGREEMENT OF EXACTLY WHAT THAT IDEA LOOKS LIKE. SO YOU HAVE YOUR LIGHT ON. DO YOU HAVE SOMETHING TO

ADD BEFORE I MOVED TO MOTION? >> I DO NOT.

>> I AM NOT READY TO APPROVE AT THIS TIME. I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE DENY IT BUT WITHOUT PREJUDICE.

>> SECOND. >> OKAY, WE HAVE A MOTION TO DENY WITHOUT PREJUDICE. FOR CLARITY, JOE, THAT MEANS THAT THEY CAN COME BACK WITHOUT GOING THROUGH P&Z.

>> PERIOD. IF THEY COME BACK WITH SUBSTANTIALLY THE SAME, THERE

IS NO WAITING PERIOD. >> WE HAVE MOTION TO DENY WITHOUT PREJUDICE BY MR. CARTER., MR. GARDNER.

SECONDED BY MR. RODGERS. >> FIVE VOTE YES FOR DENYING.

EIGHT AND A VOTE FOR YES IS DENYING IT?

>> THE ITEM PASSES 5-1, DENIAL WITHOUT PREJUDICE.

[2024-135]

135. CONSIDER AND ACT UPON AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY COUNCIL

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>> THANK YOU. THIS ITEM WAS ACTUALLY PRESENTED TO COUNCIL, AT LEAST THE UPDATES, TO OUR WATER CONSERVATION AND CONTINGENCY PLAN AT THE LAST COUNCIL MEETING. THE UPDATE IS REQUIRED EVERY FIVE YEARS BY THE STATE, STATE LAW. THE LAST WE DID WAS APRIL OF 2019. WE ARE ON THE FIVE YEAR CYCLE AND HAVE TO HAVE THIS ADOPTED BY MAY 1ST OF 2024. PRESENTING INFO AGAIN, LAST WEEK, AT COUNCIL. RIGHT NOW I WOULD BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT COUNCIL MAY HAVE.

>> COUNCIL, QUESTIONS? ANYBODY WANT TO SPEAK ON THIS CASE?

>> COUNCIL QUESTIONS, MIKE? >> WHEN WE WENT THROUGH THIS AND WHEN IT WAS PRESENTED TO THE COUNCIL, I DO NOT REMEMBER THE FINE BEING PRESENTED. LOOKING AT IT I KIND OF HAVE SOME CONCERNS WITH IMPOSING A , YOU KNOW, POTENTIALLY A $2000 PER DAY FINE ON OUR CITIZENS. YOU KNOW, CONSIDERING THAT SOMEBODY COULD GO, THE WAY I VIEW THIS, SOMEBODY GOES AWAY ON VACATION AND THEY ARE GONE FOR THREE WEEKS. YOU KNOW, CODE ENFORCEMENT HITS THEM DAY ONE AND THEN THEY COME BACK TO A $60,000 FINE. SO I DO NOT FEEL THAT WE HAVE DONE ENOUGH TO DEFINE HOW WE WOULD GO ABOUT IMPLEMENTING THIS FEE OR THIS FINE SCHEDULE. WHAT THE SEVERITIES WOULD BE. AND HOW WE DETERMINE THAT. AND FOR THAT I HAVE GOT AN ISSUE WITH THIS.

>> YOU WANT ME TO ADDRESS THIS?

>> YES PLEASE. >> AS A BACKUP, IF YOU LOOK AT THE COURT OF ORDINANCES AND HOW IT IS SET UP, THAT IS WHERE THIS WILL BE HOUSED. COURT OF ORDINANCES. CODE OF ORDINANCES ARE IN THE GENERAL SECTION AND THERE'S THREE AREAS. TRAFFIC OFFENSES ARE ONE DOLLAR TO $200 MAXIMUM FINES. OBVIOUSLY COURT COST ON TOP OF THAT AND IT CAN BE MORE THAN $200. AND THE OTHER FIND THAT IS NOT A HEALTH, SAFETY AND WELFARE IS BETWEEN ONE DOLLAR AND $500. EVERYTHING ELSE IS CATEGORIZED AS HEALTH AND SAFETY WELFARE, THAT IS ONE DOLLAR TO $2000 FINE. AND THEN THE JUDGE WILL SET THE FINE AMOUNTS FOR WHAT THE OFFENSES ARE. SO THIS BEING A $2000 REQUIREMENT AMOUNT, EVERY CITY IS DIFFERENT BUT IN MY EXPERIENCE USUALLY THE FIRST OFFENSE IS $100 OR $200 A MINUTE GRADUATES. I CANNOT SEE MORE THAN $2000. I DO NOT KNOW IF Y'ALL HAVE SET THEM HIGHER. THAT IS AT THE DISCRETION OF THE JUDGE. WE KEEP THEM. THEY LIVE IN THOSE THREE CATEGORIES.

>> THE OTHER ISSUE IS THE FACT THAT IT SAYS EACH NEW DAY WILL

BE A NEW OFFENSE. >> EACH OFFENSE, BECAUSE THESE GO UP TO $2000 EACH, THE STATE HAS THE BURDEN OF PROOF. IT IS CRIMINAL OFFENSE. BURDEN OF PROOF BE ON A REASONABLE DOUBT THAT THE OFFENSE OCCURRED. THEY HAVE TO TAKE PICTURES. AND EACH DAY WOULD BE ITS OWN OFFENSE, PROVIDED THEY GO OUT AND TAKE PICTURES AND ISSUE CITATIONS FOR EACH DAY. WHICH WOULD BE RELATIVELY AGGRESSIVE.

>> EXACTLY. BUT YOU KNOW, POTENTIAL IS THERE. AND MY QUESTION IS, IS THIS A REQUIREMENT THAT WE HAVE THIS IN THE ORDINANCE? DO WE HAVE TO PUT THIS SEVERE OF A PENALTY

IN THE ORDINANCE? >> THE ONLY OTHER OPTION YOU WOULD HAVE IS DROP IT TO THE SECOND CATEGORY TOTE ONE DOLLAR TO $500. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT WOULD DO TO YOUR CURRENT FINE. THESE ARE ALREADY CATEGORIZED. MY ASSUMPTION WOULD BE THEY WOULD PROBABLY HAVE TO GO BACK AND RECATEGORIZE ALL OF THE FINE AMOUNTS. IF THEY ARE OVER $500. IF IT VIOLATES OR WHATEVER.

>> OKAY. ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE REST OF COUNCIL? HEARING NONE AND I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION.

>> MOTION TO APPROVE. MAYOR PRO TEM. SECONDED BY COUNCILMEMBER HAMMOND. ITEM PASSES 7-0.

[2024-136]

>> THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. OPENING ITEM 2024-126, CONSIDER AND ACT UPON A CHANGE ORDER IN THE

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MARTIN EMERGENCY GROUP, LLC . >> MY REQUEST IS TO DO A CHANGE ORDER ON THE REQUEST WE DID IN OCTOBER OF 2022. THE TIME THAT WE ORDERED THAT UNIT WE WERE GIVEN A 32 MONTH LEAD TIME.

WE FELT THAT IT WAS IMPORTANT TO GET INTO THE QUEUE SO THAT WE COULD START THE PROCESS. WE DESIGNED THE APPARATUS WITH TWO FIXED REAR AXLES. AND THIS MOST RECENTLY WE WENT TO THE PLANT TO DO THE FINAL INSPECTION ON ENGINE 2, WHICH IS NOW HERE IN THE AREA OF BEING FINALIZED FOR BEING PLACED INTO SERVICE. WHILE WE WERE THERE WE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO LOOK AT A COMPONENT THAT I AM ASKING FOR YOUR PERMISSION TO ADD TO THE UNIT. THE SPECIFIC COMPONENT IS A TWO REAR AXLES THAT ARTICULATE AND WILL ALLOW THE REAR TIRES TO TURN IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE FRONT TIRES, ALLOWING US MORE MANEUVERABILITY AND INCREASING OUR SAFETY AS WE NAVIGATE SOME TIGHTER STREETS AND SOME OF THE CONGESTION THAT WE SEE IN TOWN. IN ADDITION TO THAT IT WILL ALSO EXTEND THE LIFECYCLE OF OUR REAR TIRES. CURRENTLY WITH FIXED AXLES WE HAVE TWO AXLES, A TOTAL OF EIGHT TIRES.

THIS SET UP THAT I AM PROPOSING WOULD ONLY HAVE FOUR SUPERSIZED TIRES ON THE BACK. THAT WILL ALLOW FOR THE FRONT AXLE TO ARTICULATE UP TO THREE DEGREES AND THE REAR TO ARTICULATE UP TO NINE DEGREES. THEY WILL ALLOW THE UNIT TO GO INTO PLACES THAT WE CURRENTLY CANNOT GET THE CURRENT UNIT INTO WITHOUT MAKING A THREE-POINT TURN OR ADJUSTMENTS IN THE TURN. SO THE COST OF THAT IS $58,000. THE WAY WE PAY FOR THAT IS TO ADJUST THE APPARATUS SAVE UP PLAN WE ARE STILL PUTTING INTO OVER THE NEXT TWO YEARS. THE UNIT IS STILL ALMOST TWO YEARS AWAY FROM BEING DELIVERED. IS SET TO DELIVER TO US IN MAY OF 2026. I CAN TELL YOU SOME MORE THINGS ABOUT THE INDEPENDENT REAR SUSPENSION AND HOW IT IMPROVES THE RIDE AND INCREASES THE STABILITY, LESS WEAR AND

TEAR, TIGHTENS THE TURNS. >> THANK YOU CHIEF. COUNCIL,

QUESTIONS? >> I WROTE A FEW OTHER THINGS

TOWN. YES, SIR? >> WHAT WILL THIS DO TO THE ONGOING MAINTENANCE FOR THAT ENGINE? DOES IT INCREASE THE MAINTENANCE BURDEN? AND THE TRAINING REQUIREMENTS FOR THE OPERATORS? I MEAN, YOU KNOW, TYPICALLY WITH AIRPLANES, THE MORE COMPLEX YOU MAKE THEM THE MORE TRAINING AND MAINTENANCE.

MY QUESTION IS, ARE WE PUTTING ON A MUCH LARGER BURDEN FOR YOU FINANCIALLY AND LONG TERM FOR THIS?

>> SURE, GREAT QUESTION. ALONG THE SAME LINE WITH YOU. WHEN WE ADD TECHNOLOGY TO UNITS, SOMETIMES IT CAUSES MY HAIR TO TURN GRAY. THAT IS WHERE I AM TODAY. THIS EQUIPMENT IS SOMETHING THAT OSHKOSH HAS BEEN USING FOR YEARS. IT IS ALSO USED IN MILITARY VEHICLES. THE BRADLEY UNITS AND STUFF HAVE THIS TYPE OF MECHANISM. IT IS ALL MECHANICAL, NO ELECTRONICS TO IT. THE WAY IT OPERATES. AND WE HAVE REACHED OUT TO SOME DEPARTMENTS IN THE AREA THAT I'VE HAD THEM A COUPLE YEARS AND THEY WERE VERY PLEASED WITH THE MANEUVERABILITY AND IT DID NOT REALLY INCREASE THEIR MAINTENANCE ON THOSE PARTICULAR ITEMS. IT ACTUALLY DECREASED SOME MAINTENANCE ON TIRE COST. RIGHT NOW I AM REPLACING THE REAR TIRES ON THE CURRENT MATTER ONCE A YEAR. AND THAT IS ABOUT $6000-$7000 EVERY TIME WE DO THAT. THE FACT WHEN WE MAKE THOSE CORNERS AND WE ARE DRAGGING THE TIRES, IT JUST RUBS THE RUBBER RIGHT OFF OF THEM. BEING ABLE TO LET THE REAR TIRE ARTICULATE SOME WILL EXTEND THE LIFE OF THE TIRE.

AS FAR AS TRAINING, THERE WILL BE A LITTLE EXTRA TRAINING.

THE WAY WE SET UP OUR RETURNS IS A LITTLE DIFFERENT. THIS IS KIND OF STOP GAP BETWEEN THIS TYPE OF UNIT ANNIE TAYLOR, WHERE YOU HAVE A TRAILER. WE WILL DO TRAINING IN HOUSE. OUR DRIVERS WILL BE READY FOR THE CHALLENGE.

>> OKAY. I THINK THAT I UNDERSTOOD YOU QUICKLY. THERE WILL NOT BE AN ADDITIONAL DRIVER IN THE BACK.

>> NO SIR THIS IS NOT A TILLER VEHICLE THAT WOULD WEEK PRIOR

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>> IRON ATTAIN A MOTION. >> SECOND.

>> I WILL TAKE COUNCIL MEMBER 'S MOORMAN. OKAY WE HAVE NO EXECUTIVE SESSION TONIGHT. WE GET TO GO HOME A LITTLE EARLIER. 7:45, 46. WE ARE AD

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.