Aug 27, 2024 City Council

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>> ANYTHING, IT IS 6:00 P.M., 27TH OF AUGUST, 2024. WE HAVE A QUORUM COUNCIL PRESENTS. I WILL MAKE A NOTE THAT MAYOR PRO TEM IS OUT THIS EVENING. WE WILL PROCEED WITH SIX. IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK WITH ANY AGENDA ITEM THIS EVENING, YOU CAN DO SO BY FILLING OUT A FORM IN THE BACK CORNER OF THE ROOM. PLEASE TURN IT INTO THE CITY SECRETARY BEFORE WE OPEN THE ITEM UP FOR DISCUSSION. SO YOU CAN MAKE YOUR COMMENTS BE HEARD. WITH THAT I WILL ASK COUNCILWOMAN HAMMONDS TO LEAD US IN PRAYER AND PURGE ALLEGIANCE -- PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE.

>> TO BE PART OF THE SAMARIA -- AMAZING COMMUNITY, LORD. I PRAY YOU ARE WITH US IN OUR DISCUSSIONS AND DECISIONS MADE HERE. ANNUAL GUIDE OUR CONVERSATIONS. HELP US TO DISCUSS OPENLY AND TO GET ALONG AS A TEAM AND TO BE ABLE TO WORK THROUGH ALL THE AGENDA ITEMS OR HELP EVERYTHING WE DO IN THIS COMMUNITY TO GLORIFY YOU, LORD. WE LOVE YOU AND PRAY ALL THESE THINGS IN YOUR SON'S NAME. AMEN.

>> I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC WIT ALL. HONOR THE TEXAS FLAG. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THEE, TEXAS, ONE STATE UNDER GOD, ONE AND INDIVISIBLE.

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>> THANK YOU, COUNCILWOMAN. WE BEGIN TONIGHT BY OPENING ITEM 2024 -305. AN OPPORTUNITY FOR CITY COUNCILMEMBERS TO REPORT ON ITEMS OF COMMUNITY INTEREST. WOULD ANYBODY LIKE TO HIGHLIGHT ANY ITEMS OF COMMUNITY INTEREST?

>> I WOULD JUST HIGHLIGHT ANY RECENT INVESTMENT BY GOOGLE INTO THE COMMUNITY. ANOTHER $1 BILLION. I WOULD LIKE TO ACCENT . FACEBOOK TRAFFICKING. GOOGLE, A VERY SMALL HANDFUL OF YOUR INDUSTRIAL PLAYERS . WE HAVE A HANDFUL -- THEY JUST PROVIDE -- WE HAVE ANOTHER HANDFUL OF LARGE BUSINESSES, GOOGLE BEING ONE OF THOSE, WHICH IS BEING PROVIDED FOR YOUR 20% HOMESTEAD EXEMPTION IN THE CITY. MIDLOTHIAN HAS BEEN ABLE TO MOVE FROM HAVING APPROXIMATELY $29 MILLION WORTH OF HOMESTEAD EXEMPTION -- EXCUSE ME, TOTAL EXEMPTIONS, PROPERTY EXEMPTIONS, JUST TWO YEARS AGO, TO OVER $770 MILLION WORTH OF EXEMPTIONS , AS OF THIS YEAR. WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO PRODUCE -- IF YOU FOLLOW THAT INTO THE HOMESTEAD EXEMPTION AND COMPARE THAT INTO THE RETIREE CAP ON HOME EVALUATION, THAT'S A 23% REDUCTION IN TAXES I AM THANKFUL WE'VE BEEN BLESSED. I WOULD USE THE WORD CORNERED. WE HAVEN'T CORNERED ANYTHING. WE ARE BLESSED TO HAVE THESE AS AN ATTRIBUTE AND PROVIDE BACK TO

OUR CITIZENS. >> CERTAINLY GREAT. APPRECIATED AS WELL. ON THE TECHNICAL POINT I WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT THERE'S A FANTASTIC ARTICLE ABOUT A VERY UNLIKE -- VERY GOOD TECHNICAL ADVICE. I'M SURE YOU WOULD SIGN ANY COPIES.

HE IS DOING A GREAT JOB, AS WELL AS THE REST OF OUR

COMMUNITY. ANYONE ELSE? >> A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO, I GOT TO ATTEND A BACK PORCH THEATER. LOCAL COMMUNITY THEATER THAT, I THINK, JUST GOT STARTED, I BELIEVE, LAST SUMMER, MAYBE LAST SPRING, LAST YEAR. THEY PERFORMED THE SOUND OF MUSIC , OVER AT OUR LOCAL CIVIC CENTER BUILDING. MY DAUGHTER GOT TO BE A PART OF IT. IT WAS MY FIRST TIME GOING TO ONE OF THEIR EVENTS. IN CASE ANYBODY OUT THERE DIDN'T REALIZE WE HAVE ACUMEN UNDER -- COMMUNITY THEATER PROGRAM I WANTED TO MAKE YOU AWARE. BACK PORCH THEATER.ORG . YOU CAN LOOK AT HOW YOU SUPPORT LOCAL ARTS AND HOW -- LOOK AT UPCOMING PLAYS

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AND THINGS LIKE THAT. >> ALL RIGHT, HEARING NO OTHERS WILL MOVE ALONG. OPENING ITEM, 2024-306. CITIZENS TO BE HEARD.

CITY COUNCIL DRESSES -- INVITES CITIZENS TO ADDRESS THE COUNCIL

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CITIZENS WISHING TO SPEAK SHOULD COMPLETE A ÊCITIZEN PARTICIPATION FORMÎ AND PRESENT IT TO THE CITY SECRETARY PRIOR TO THEMINUTES. DID ANYONE SIGN UP TO SPEAK? MR. JACKSON, IF YOU COME FORWARD, STATE YOUR NAME INTO THE MICROPHONE. IF YOU LIVE IN THE CITY LIMITS ARE NOT.

>> YES, MY NAME IS -- I DO LIVE IN THE CITY LIMITS. MY WIFE AND I MOVED OUT HERE AFTER RETIREMENT.

>> YOU'VE GOT THREE MINUTES, SIR.

>> THE REASON I'M HERE TONIGHT, MY WIFE AND I ALSO HAVE OUR YOUNGEST DAUGHTER , WHO WILL BE 39 IN SEPTEMBER.

CEREBRAL PALSY . MY ISSUE WITH A.D.A. PARKING LAWS. I'M NOT A EXPERT ON A.D.A. LAWS BY ANY MEANS. I DON'T THINK ANYBODY IS, IF YOU READ ALL OF THEM. AS FAR AS PARKING ISSUE, WE'VE HAD A NUMBER OF ISSUES. THE LATEST WAS AN ISSUE WHERE A BUSINESS DETERMINED THE SPOT NEXT TO THE HANDICAP SPOT WAS THERE LOADING ZONE. WE PULLED UP TO GET OUR DAUGHTER OUT.

INDIVIDUALS PARKED THERE DOING A PICKUP FROM THAT BUSINESS. MY WIFE IS NOT THE MOST -- WELL, SOMETIMES SHE GETS A LITTLE MEAN. WENT IN AND CONFRONTED THE LADY. THE LADY, BASICALLY, I GUESS SAID, CALL THE POLICE. I CALLED HER NONE -- NONEMERGENCY NUMBER THE POLICE SHOWED UP. BY THE TIME THE LADY HAD GONE ARE KIND OF THE LADY. SHE CAME OUT OF THE BUSINESS.

ALSO A SUBSTITUTE AT THE SCHOOL HERE. THAT'S WHERE SHE WORKS.

NOT TRYING TO EMBARRASS ANYONE, HOWEVER, I AM ALMOST 69 YEARS OLD. WE STILL HAVE OUR DAUGHTER, LIKE I SAID, 39. DUE TO COVID THEY SHUT DOWN A LOT OF STATE GROUP HOMES. SHE IS STILL LIVING WITH US. SHE IS A FINE YOUNG LADY. GRADUATED FROM MHS IN 2008. I WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THE ISSUE OF THE HANDICAP PARKING . NOT JUST IN ONE LOCATION, OR SEVERAL LOCATIONS . WE'VE GONE FROM -- WE HAVE A VAN WHERE THE RAMP EXTENDS OUT ROUGHLY 2 1/2 THREE FEET. WE'VE HAD THE RAMP RUN OVER WHILE IT'S IN THE STRIPED AREA. THAT DIDN'T HAPPEN IN THE CITY. WE'VE HAD PEOPLE PULL UP AND STOP JUST IN TIME.

I DON'T THINK MOST PEOPLE ARE AWARE WHAT THAT AREA IS FOR. I WENT IN AND TALKED TO THE OWNER OF THE BUSINESS. I TRY TO REMAIN CALM. I DON'T THINK I RAISED MY VOICE. SHE GOT UPSET AND SAID, I HAVE TO HAVE SOMEPLACE TO UNLOAD. A BUSINESS NORMALLY HAS A BACK DOOR. I KNOW THIS IS OVER WHERE THE CAROLINES USED TO BE. THEY OPEN THE BURGER PLACE. ALL OF THOSE BUSINESSES HAVE BACKDOORS. I AM FAMILIAR WITH THAT PARTICULAR PLACE BECAUSE MY WIFE USED TO WORK THERE. I WOULD THINK THAT

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YOU. I DO APPRECIATE IT. >> THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS, SIR. UNFORTUNATELY WE CANNOT ENGAGE IN DISCUSSION ON THE TOPIC, BUT I DID SEE POLICE CHIEFS BACK THERE MAKING NOTES OF YOUR CONCERNS. ANYONE ELSE WANT TO SPEAK? OKAY, THAT WILL CLOSE OUT CITIZENS TO BE HEARD. MOVING ON TO CONSENT AGENDA.

ALL MATTERS LISTED UNDER CONSENT AGENDA ARE CONSIDERED TO BE ROUTINE BY THE CITY COUNCIL AND WILL BE ENACTED BY

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>> I HAD COURTNEY -- QUESTIONS.

>> WILL PULL 308. ANY OTHERS? WHAT THAT I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO APPROVE CONSENT AGENDA MINUS 308. EMOTION AND

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TO ASK YOUR QUESTIONS. >> READING THROUGH THE AGREEMENT THERE, IS THIS -- SO, THIS IS NOT THE INSURANCE ITSELF. I GUESS I AM CONFUSED AS TO WHAT THIS IS.

>> STEPHANIE. >> THIS IS TO ENTER INTO THE AGREEMENT TO BE PART OF THE RISK COUPLE. THERE ARE CURRENT CYBER COVERAGE, BUT THIS IS NOT FOR THE ACTUAL COVERAGE.

THEMSELVES. THEY ARE THE CURRENT CARRIER.

>> WHAT ARE WE CHANGING BY DOING THIS?

>> THEY HAVE CREATED A POOL FOR THEIR CYBER COVERAGE.

PREVIOUSLY THE HOW TO -- THIRD-PARTY OUT. THIS IS JOINT

POOL FOR THE COVERAGE. >> IT DOES NOT CHANGE PREMIUMS, LIABILITIES, MAXIMUM EVENT OCCURRENCES. THE TERMS DOESN'T CHANGE. IT IS TAKING IT FROM AN UNDERWRITTEN TYPE POLICY TO SELF-INSURANCE. WE KNOW HOW BIG THAT POOL WILL BECOME?

>> THEY HAVE IT ESTIMATED, RUN OUT, IT WOULD BE PRETTY BIG.

BUT I CAN GET THE EXACT NUMBERS FOR YOU .

>> YEAH, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT. WE ARE SHIFTING FROM AN UNDERWRITTEN POLICY THAT IS BACKED BY, PROBABLY, MULTILAYER LARGE INSURANCE CARRIERS TO A SELF-INSURED POOL . TO UNDERSTAND WHO ALL THE PARTICIPANTS IN THE POOL IS AND WILL BE. WHAT THE ASSET BALANCE OF THAT POOL IS ANTICIPATED TO BE . SELF-INSURANCE IS USUALLY A CHEAPER OPTION, BUT IF THERE ARE MULTIPLE OCCURRENCES IN A SHORT PERIOD OF TIME OF POOL

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THAT OCCURS? >> THEY SENT OUT WHAT THEY ESTIMATED THAT TO BE. I CAN SEND THAT OVER , TOO, IF YOU'D

LIKE. >> OKAY.

>> THANK YOU. DOES THAT ANSWER ALL YOUR QUESTIONS? DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THIS CASE? HEARING THAT I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION. MOTION TO APPROVE BY COUNCILWOMAN HAMMONDS. I WILL SECOND. PLEASE VOTE. ITEM PASSES, 5-1. OKAY, THAT CONCLUDES THE CONSENT AGENDA PORTION. WE WILL OPEN OUR PUBLIC HEARINGS. WE HAVE ONE PUBLIC HEARING THIS EVENING THAT DOES NOT REQUIRE ACTION TONIGHT, SIMPLY A PUBLIC HEARING. ITEM 2024-311. CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING REGARDING THE PROPOSED FISCAL YEAR 2024-2025 ANNUAL OPERATING BUDGETS FOR

THE CITY OF MIDLOTHIAN. >> THIS, AND COUNCIL, JUST A CONTINUATION OF OUR PROCESS FOR THE BUDGET . IT IS A SECOND -- SORRY, THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING JUST TO DISCUSS THE BUDGET AND GET -- GIVE THE PUBLIC AN OPPORTUNITY TO EXPRESS THEIR COMMENTS. WITH THAT I WILL JUST --

>> SECOND PUBLIC HEARING WILL TAKE PLACE AT THE NEXT ?

>> THAT IS TRUE. IT WILL BE AT THE NEXT ONE.

>> ANYBODY ASSIGNED TO SPEAK ON THIS CASE?

>> IF YOU WANT TO COME FORWARD. STATE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD . WHETHER OR NOT YOU LIVE IN THE CITY, AND WILL HAVE THREE

MINUTES. >> GOOD EVENING, EVERYONE, MY NAME IS LISA, I LIVE WITHIN THE CITY LIMITS. I JUST HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS. I UNDERSTAND IF YOU CANNOT ANSWER THEM TONIGHT. IN YOUR DISCUSSIONS, IF YOU COULD JUST CONFIRM . FOR THE HOMESTEAD , WHERE, SPECIFICALLY IS IT ACCOUNTED FOR? IS IT IN THE REVENUES? CAN YOU HIGHLIGHT THAT IT IS ACTUALLY CALCULATED IN THEIR SO THAT WE, AS CITIZENS KNOW WE ARE GOING TO ACTUALLY GET IT. THAT SHOULD OPERABLY BE PART OF THE BUDGET IN THE REVENUE SECTION. THE OTHER QUESTION I HAVE IS REGARDING THE SALARY STUDY . THAT'S A SUPPLEMENTAL EXPENSE OF $150,000 . I AM JUST WONDERING IF THAT IS NOT

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LISTENING. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. ANYBODY ELSE LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS? OKAY. COUNCIL ANY QUESTIONS FOR ANN ?

>> I WANT TO NOTE I PASSED OUT A BUDGET THAT YOU ALL HAVE NOT SEEN YET, BECAUSE WE JUST MET WITH THE MIDTOWN -- IT'S A ONE PAGE DOCUMENT. WE INCLUDE THAT AS PART OF OUR PROCESS EVERY YEAR , AND THAT WAS ONE WE WERE DELAYED IN GETTING TO. IF ANYONE HAS ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE PID ITSELF, I WOULD BE GLAD

TO ANSWER THOSE. >> COUNCIL, ANY QUESTIONS ?

>> YOU DO ALSO HAVE CHANGE ATTACK JUST TO THIS THAT SHOW THE CHANGES TO THE GENERAL FUND AND UTILITY FUND THAT WERE MADE AFTER OUR WORKSHOPS WE HAD. IF ANYBODY HAS ANY QUESTIONS .

>> CHANGE SHEETS WITHIN THE PACKET?

>> YEAH. >> OKAY, THANK YOU, ANN, I

DON'T SEE ANY QUESTIONS. >> I DO HAVE A QUESTION. WITH RESPECT TO CLARITY ON UNDERSTANDING ONE OF THE COMMENTS, AS FAR AS THE HOMESTEAD EXEMPTION. MY UNDERSTANDING IT IS A PRECLUSION OF IT BEING COLLECTED AT THE COLLECTION POINT. IS THERE A WAY FOR US TO HAVE THE ASSESSOR COLLECTOR'S OFFICE PROVIDE US WITH THAT AS A FOOTNOTE STATISTIC WE COULD ADD IN? IT REALLY SHOULD NOT BE A REVENUE, BECAUSE IT NEVER ACTUALLY HITS THE CITY'S ACCOUNT. THE COLLECTOR'S OFFICE, I WOULD PRESUME, WOULD MAYBE BE ABLE TO PROVIDE US WITH THE ACCURATE TOTAL.

>> IT IS IN OUR CERTIFIED TEXTUAL WE GET. I QUOTED A NUMBER EARLIER OF APPROXIMATELY 700 PLUS MILLION DOLLARS. THAT EXEMPTION IS INCLUDED IN THE AMOUNT.

>> I AGREE, AS FAR AS THE TAXABLE VALUE OF PROPERTIES, BUT THEN WHETHER WE APPLY THAT TO THE TAX RATES, OR WE HAVE THE OFFICE APPLIED THAT AND FOOTNOTE THE NUMBER THAT IS NOT BEING COLLECTED, DUE TO THE 700 MILLION ADDITIONAL EXEMPTED

VALUE. >> RIGHT. OBVIOUSLY EASILY CALCULATE -- THAT'S OUR NUMBER. WHAT COMPLICATES THAT A LITTLE BIT IS THE FACT THAT THE OVER 65 AND DISABLED HAVE A CEILING ON THEIR. IT COULD BE ARTIFICIALLY -- NOT ARTIFICIALLY, BUT IT IS CAPPED AT A LOWER NUMBER. I SAID, THE SIMPLE MAP IS TAKING OFF. WE CAN STILL -- SEE IF THEY CAN DISTILL THAT DOWN FURTHER AND GET AWAY FROM THE CEILINGS THAT

ARE IN PLACE. >> YEAH, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THE SOFTWARE UTILIZED TO GENERATE TAX STATEMENTS IS APPLYING THOSE CALCULATIONS. WHAT I DON'T KNOW IS IF THEY HAVE A WAY TO PROVIDE US, YOU KNOW, FOR THE UNITS TAXED BY THE CITY OF MIDLOTHIAN. THE DOLLAR FIGURE OF TAX REDUCTION RESULTING FROM THOSE EXEMPTIONS. NOT JUST ON THE ASSESSED VALUE, BUT ON THE ACTUAL BUILD VALUE. TAXES DUE TO OUR RESIDENTS. I THINK THAT WOULD BE AN IMPORTANT FOOTNOTE

TO SHOW. >> THE APPRAISAL DISTRICT

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>> GOOD. >> A POINT OF CLARITY ON THE STAFF RAISES, IT IS BUDGETED FOR 4%. STAFF MEMBERS COULD RECEIVE UP TO 4%, DEPENDING ON THEIR EVALUATION RESULTS. JUST A FOOTNOTE ON THAT. MOVING ON --

>> I HAVE ONE QUICK QUESTION FOR CHRIS. CHRIS, WE CAN ALSO, IT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO ME, WHETHER WE ARE -- I WOULD ASSUME WHATEVER WE CAN DO CAN BE MADE -- WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE, EVEN IF YOU ARE ABLE TO PROVIDE ME WITH A ROUGH PERCENTAGE, I WOULD LIKE TO PROVIDE TO CITIZENS I DEAL WITH, OCCASIONALLY -- TAX BURDEN AND TAX RELIEF AND MY OWN KNOWLEDGE THROUGHOUT THE YEAR THE BREAKDOWN OF THAT TAX.

NOT ONLY THE 20%, BUT THAT ENTIRE REDUCTION PACK SHOULD -- PACKAGE OF WHAT THE DIFFERENT PERCENTILES THEY ARE HITTING THAT DOES APPLY TO THAT. SO I CAN RESPOND BACK TO FOLKS.

DEPENDING ON WHAT AND IF IT'S THEY ARE GETTING OUT OF THAT, HOW THAT -- WHAT WE ARE ABLE TO DO FOR THEM. I CAN GET WITH YOU

ON THAT, BUT -- >> ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT COMBINATION OF HOMESTEAD, OVER 65, AND DISABLED?

>> I COULD BE TALKING TO SOMEONE THAT IS A HOMESTEADER.

THERE ARE ALSO ABOVE 65. IT WOULD BE NICE TO KNOW WHERE AND HOW TO TELL THEM WHAT LEVEL THEY BEEN BLESSED. WE'VE ALL BEEN BLESSED THROUGH WHAT WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO PROVIDE FOR TAX RELIEF. THE NEXT INDIVIDUAL COULD BE A PERSON THAT HAS MEDICAL ISSUES ON THE MEDICAL SIDE. THAT'S BASICALLY -- I DON'T KNOW HOW WE WOULD APPROACH THAT . THAT'S

INFORMATION -- >> THE ONLY WAY -- UNLESS WE DO CALCULATE INDIVIDUALS. IF WE HAVE INDIVIDUAL WE CAN GO CALCULATE IT BECAUSE OF THE CEILING AND THE REDUCTION DOWN OFF OF THAT. YOU HAVE TO REMEMBER, ONCE THE CEILING IS ESTABLISHED, YOU CAN GO DOWN, IT CANNOT GO ABOVE THAT NUMBER, BUT IT CAN GO DOWN AND BACK UP TO THAT CEILING. WE WOULD NEED TO KNOW EACH INDIVIDUAL TAXPAYER. ON A WIDER SCALE, WE CAN LOOK AT HOW MUCH THE EXEMPTION VALUE IS. BUT THAT MAY NOT TRANSLATE EXACTLY 2 EACH INDIVIDUAL IF THAT MAKES

SENSE. >> I WOULD ASSUME WITHIN THE EXEMPTION TOTAL GROSS SCALE, IT IS COMPOSED OF ALL ACCOUNTS.

THEREFORE, YOU HAVE AN ACCOUNT BREAKDOWN THAT APPLIES TO THE GROSS. FOR INSTANCE, WHEN I AM TALKING WITH SOMEONE ABOUT THEIR TOTAL TAXES I AM ABLE TO LOGICALLY TALK ABOUT THEIR COUNTY TAX DOES -- TAXES ARE 18%, CITY, ABOUT 27%. SCHOOL TAXES ROLLING UP AROUND 56, 57%. I AM NOT ASKING THAT YOU WOULD WRITE AN INDIVIDUAL DOWN, BUT I LIKE TO KNOW WHAT PROPORTIONALITY OF THAT GROSS VOLUME , WHAT PERCENTAGES OF THE QUALITY AND THE DIFFERENT COLUMNS ADD UP TO THAT GROSS NUMBER AND I CAN BREAK THAT DOWN, DEPENDING UPON THEIR EVALUATION. THAT'S WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT. WE WILL TALK ABOUT THEM MORE. THAT'S WHAT I'M MOST INTERESTED IN.

>> WE WILL BE PUBLIC. >> THAT INFORMATION IS GOING TO ESSENTIALLY BE PUBLIC ON EACH INDIVIDUAL TAX STATEMENT. YOU CAN GO TO THE TAX OFFICE FOR ANY TAX ACCOUNT THAT'S NOT A RESTRICTED ACCOUNT , DUE TO THEM BEING A JUDGE OR POLICE OFFICER. YOU CAN PULL ANYBODY STATEMENT IN THE ENTIRE COUNTY AND IT WILL SHOW YOU EXACTLY WHAT EACH DISTRICT TAXED, AND WHAT WAS EXEMPT FOR EACH TAXING DISTRICT THEY ARE SUBJECT TO.

THAT'S WHY WAS ASKING , I WANT SOMETHING ON MORE ACCURATE SCALE. THAT'S EASY TO GO AND PULL DIRECTLY FROM THE COUNTY'S WEBSITE. GETTING A DOLLAR FIGURE FOR THE ENTIRE CITY OF MIDLOTHIAN ON THE TOTAL SCALE OF ALL ACCOUNTS AND ALL EXEMPTIONS IS IMPOSSIBLE TO GO PULL THAT INFORMATION.

>> I THINK I MIGHT HAVE MADE THE SOUND MORE CONFUSING THAN IT ACTUALLY IS. OBVIOUSLY, THE DEDUCTION ACCOUNT GROSS NUMBER

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THAT'S WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT. FIVE, SIX, FOUR, EIGHT

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SENSE. >> OKAY.

>> WE WILL MOVE ON. NO ACTION, RIGHT? OR DO WE NEED ACTION? OKAY. MOVING ON TO ITEM 2024 312. CONSIDER AND ACT UPON AN ORDINANCE AUTHORIZING THE ISSUANCE AND SALE OF CITY OF MIDLOTHIAN, TEXAS, TAX NOTES, SERIES 2024, IN AN AGGREGATE PRINCIPAL AMOUNT NOT TO EXCEED $6,100,000 APPROVING THE SALE

OF THE NOTES, AND ORDAINING >> THIS TAX NOTE IS ONE WE DISCUSSED IN THE WORKSHOPS. IT'S TO COVER -- I CANNOT TALK TONIGHT. ROAD REHABILITATION, PURCHASE AND REFURBISHMENT OF EQUIPMENT, DESIGN OF A NEW FIRE STATION NUMBER FOUR, AND BUILD A RESERVE APPARATUS MAY FOR FIRE, AS WELL. I DO HAVE IN HERE -- I'M GOING TO HAVE MARK COME AND DISCUSS THE NOTES. WE DO A PRIVATE CELL. I WANTED TO POINT OUT I DO HAVE A SUGGESTED MOTION FROM OUR CITIES BOND ATTORNEY. WHEN AND IF THIS IS A

BURDEN. >> THANK YOU. MARK, WELCOME,

THIS EVENING. >> THANK YOU, MAYOR, IT'S ALWAYS GOOD TO BE HERE. THIS IS A LITTLE DIFFERENT -- FIRST OF ALL, MY NAME IS MARK. SAMCO CAPITOL MARKETS. THE CITY'S FINANCIAL ADVISER. I HOPE THE CITY WHEN THEY GO OUT AND BORROW MONEY. LAST YEAR, YOU MAY REMEMBER , THE COUNCILMEMBERS THAT WERE HERE, WE SOLD AND WENT OUT AND GOT A BOND RATING. YOUR BOND RATING IS AA PLUS. THE COST TO GET UP BOND RATING, THE COST TO GET ALL OF THAT DONE, AND SOMETHING THE SHORT, WE CAN FOR -- FOUND YOU CAN DO A PRIVATE PLACEMENT AND ELIMINATE MANY OF THOSE COSTS, PARTICULARLY WHEN YOU HAVE FINANCES LIKE THE CITY OF MIDLOTHIAN CARRIES. EVERY YEAR YOU BUILD ON THE SUCCESS OF THE PRIOR YEAR. BUYERS ARE LOOKING FOR THIS. THEY, TOO, WOULD LIKE TO GET RID OF THE METAL PERSON THAT TYPICALLY BUYS THE BONDS. JUST AS A REMINDER, MIDDLE PERSON MAY BE MERRILL LYNCH THAT BUYS THE BONDS, THEN THEY DIVVY IT UP AND SELL IT. IN THIS CASE WE CAN AVOID PAYING FOR THE MIDDLE PERSON, PAY THE BOND RATING, AND GO DIRECTLY TO THE END PURCHASER, BECAUSE IT IS SHORT-TERM DEBT . THREE YEARS. IF YOU LOOK ON THE SCHEDULE, WE WORKED BACKWARDS FROM WHAT WE NORMALLY DO. WE FIGURE OUT EXACTLY WHAT YOUR TAX RATE NEEDS TO BE FOR THE DEBT SERVICE PORTION. WE THEN BACKFILL THE PRINCIPAL INTO YOUR ONE SO WE HAD THAT NUMBER , SO THAT WE MATCH UP THE SOURCES , TAX REVENUE, AND THE PAYMENT BE IN THE BOND PAYMENTS. THE SECOND AND THIRD YEAR ARE JUST SPLIT FAIRLY CLOSE BEING THE SAME. WE WENT TO A SHORT-TERM -- MUTUAL FUND THAT BOUGHT YOUR BONDS LAST YEAR. YOU DID A TAX NOTE POSTURE AND A PUBLIC OFFERING.

THEY CANNOT TAKE ALL 6,000,001, BECAUSE THEY HAVE A LIMIT TO WHAT THEY COULD PURCHASE WITHIN THEIR MUTUAL FUND. THEY LIMIT THE CAP ON ANYONE -- ANY ONE CREDIT. THEY TOOK WHAT THEY DID. THEY GOT HALF OF THEM. THEY GOT CITIZENS NATIONAL BANK, TAXPAYER BANK IN THE CITY OF MIDLOTHIAN TO TAKE THE BALANCE. THE SALE WENT VERY WELL. WE ARE ABLE TO KEEP THE COST PROBABLY ABOUT $40,000 LESS WITHOUT PAYING FOR THE BOND RATING AND MANY OF THE OTHER THINGS THAT FLOW BACK TO THE CITY AS A BENEFIT. OUR RECOMMENDATION IS TO AWARD TAX-EXEMPT FUND AND CITIZENS NATIONAL BANK. I AM HAPPY TO

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INTACT. >> ANYBODY SIGNED UP TO SPEAK ON THIS CASE? QUESTIONS FOR MARK, ANN, OR CHRIS. HEARING

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>> I WILL READ OUR SUGGESTED MOTION. I MOVED TO ADOPT AN ORDINANCE AUTHORIZING THE ISSUANCE AND SALE OF CITY OF MIDLOTHIAN, TEXAS, TAX NOTE , SERIES 2024, AND ALL OTHERS

MATTERED RELATED THERE TO . >> SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MOORMAN. PLEASE VOTE. ITEM PASSES, 6-0. THANK YOU, MARK.

>> THANK YOU, ALL. I WILL WORK WITH AND TO GET IN THERE ON SEPTEMBER 19TH. THANK YOU, ALL.

>> OPENING ITEM, 2024-313. CONSIDER AND ACT UPON A NOMINATION FOR APPOINTMENT TO THE MIDLOTHIAN PUBLIC LIBRARY BOARD TO FILL A VACANCY. I WILL TAKE THIS ONE. UNFORTUNATELY, WE HAD A BOARD MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC LIBRARY UNABLE TO SERVE DUE TO HEALTH ISSUES . WE ARE, SUBCOMMITTEE, MADE OF -- BOARD

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ANY QUESTIONS FOR THAT? HEARING NO QUESTIONS, I WILL ENTERTAIN

A MOTION. >> I WILL MAKE A MOTION TO

APPROVE AS PRESENTED. >> SECOND.

>> A MOTION TO APPROVE AS PRESENTED BY COUNCILMAN MOORMAN, SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN WEAVER. PLEASE VOTE. ITEM PASSES 6-0. 2024-314. CONSIDER AND ACT UPON A CONTRACT WITH MOTOROLA SOLUTIONS TO ADD THREE ADDITIONAL RADIO CONSOLES, UPGRADE THE EXISTING RADIO CONSOLES AND MOVE THEM TO THE NEW PUBLIC SAFETY FACILITY IN AN AMOUNT NOT TO EXCEED

$454,055.0MIC? >> GOOD EVENING MAYOR AND COUNCIL. THIS PROJECT IS FOR THE NEW PUBLIC SAFETY FACILITY.

WE ARE GOING TO EXPAND THE NUMBER OF DISPATCH CONSOLES IN THE 911 DISPATCH CENTER FROM THE CURRENT SIX UP TO NINE. AND MOVE THOSE CONSULS OVER TO THE NEW FACILITY. INCLUDES ALL THE EQUIPMENT WE HAVE FOR THE RADIO SYSTEM. I'M AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS IF YOU HAVE ANY FOR ME.

>> ANYBODY SIGNED UP TO SPEAK? COUNCIL, QUESTIONS?

>> IS THE AMOUNT IN THIS REQUEST FIT IN THE ORIGINAL BUDGET FOR THE TRANSITION OF THOSE FACILITIES?

>> YES, SIR. >> I'M GOING TO MAYOR ON WHAT ROSS BEAT ME TO. I WANT TO ASK THIS QUESTION, SO I'M GOING TO HAVE TO KEEP ASKING IT. I WOULD ASSUME THE MAJORITY OF THESE TRANSITION AND MOVEMENT AGENDA ITEMS ARE ALL PREVIOUSLY TALKED ABOUT IN THE BUDGET, I WOULD ASSUME. THAT ARE COMING DOWN THE LINE HERE. THERE'S A NUMBER OF THEM THAT HAVE TO DO WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. DO WE NEED TO TAKE THESE ON AN

ITEM BY ITEM BASIS? >> I BELIEVE YOU NEED TO TAKE THEM ON AN ITEM BY ITEM BASIS. BASED ON BIDDING LAWS, THINGS LIKE THAT. THESE WERE ANTICIPATED. SOMETIMES , LIKE THE NEXT ONE, THE DISTRIBUTING ANTENNA SYSTEM. NOT POSITIVE YOU'RE GOING TO NEED UNTIL YOU START BUILDING THE BUILDING, START GETTING IN THERE. MIKE HAD HIS CONSULTANTS COME IN AND

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SORRY. >> JUST ASKED THE QUESTION

EVERY TIME. >> THE QUESTION WOULD A ONE-ON-ONE BASIS. ROSS IS ALREADY COVERED IT. THIS IS A PREVIOUSLY BUDGETED ITEM, IF I UNDERSTAND CORRECTLY.

>> NOT PREVIOUSLY BUDGETED, WITHIN THE BUDGET PROGRAM. YES.

>> IN THE BUILDING BUDGET. THANK YOU.

>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THIS CASE? I WILL ENTERTAIN A

MOTION. >> MOTION TO APPROVE.

>> MOTION TO APPROVE BY COUNCILMAN WEAVER, SECONDED BY COUNCILWOMAN HAMMONDS. PLEASE VOTE. ITEM PASSES 6-0.

2024-315. CONSIDER AND ACT UPON A CONTRACT WITH MOTOROLA

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>> GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. THIS WILL EFFECTIVELY COVER -- PROVIDE COVERAGE FOR OUR RADIO SYSTEM FOR PUBLIC SAFETY INSIDE THE FACILITY. YOU WILL NOTE WE DID NOT ASK FOR THIS FOR CITY HALL , BECAUSE CITY HALL, WHEN WE DID TESTING FOR THAT SPACE, WE HAD GREAT PENETRATION BECAUSE OF THE WAY THE BUILDING IS LAID OUT. THE PUBLIC SAFETY FACILITY, IT'S GOT A LOT MORE INFRASTRUCTURE AROUND IT, AND MORE INTERFERENCE OF SIGNALS GOING INTO BUILDING. TO ME FIRE CODE WE WILL NEED TO ADD THE DATA SYSTEM FOR THE EMERGENCY RADIO SYSTEM. THE CELL BOOSTERS, WE KNOW WE WILL NEED INSIDE THAT SPACE IN ORDER FOR STAFF AND VISITORS TO USE THEIR CELL

PHONES INSIDE THE FACILITY. >> TAMMY, ANYONE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK ON THIS? COUNCIL, ANY QUESTIONS? SAME QUESTION, DOES IT FALL WITHIN THE BUDGETED AMOUNT? YES.

>> LET ME REPHRASE THE QUESTION, BECAUSE I THINK I WILL GET TO THE HEART OF WHAT MIKE AND I ARE GOING AFTER.

WITH THESE ANTICIPATED EXPENSES WHEN WE HELP THE CONSTRUCTION

BUDGET FOR THE FACILITY? >> YEAH, THEY WERE. THIS IS SOMETHING YOU DON'T KNOW WHERE YOU WILL NEED IT, BUT AT LEAST YOU ARE PRETTY MUCH GOING TO NEED IT . TO MIKE'S POINT EARLIER, CITY HALL, YOU HAVE A LOT OF SHEET ROLE -- SHEET ROCK WALLS. NOT A LOT OF SECURITY THAT NEEDS TO TAKE PLACE.

PUBLIC FACILITY IS DIFFERENT CONSTRUCTION. IT IS

ANTICIPATED. >> THIS WAS MAYBE NOT A SPECIFIC LINE ITEM, BUT IT FALLS IN THE CONTINGENCIES.

>> YES, SIR. >> I JUST HAD A QUESTION. WE ARE GOING TO HAVE FIBER OVER THERE, AS FAR AS THE NETWORK CAPABILITIES. I KNOW IT'S A SEPARATE SUBJECT.

>> YES, SIR. >> THE REASON I AM CONFIRMING IS IF WE HAVE HIGH QUALITY FIBER WOULDN'T THAT BE ABLE TO FILL THE NEEDS ON THE LACK OF SELF-SERVICE?

>> TO SOME DEGREE, YES, IF PEOPLE WHO COME INTO THE BUILDING HAVE A CELL PHONE THAT IS CAPABLE OF WI-FI CALLING, YES. THEY CAN GET ON PUBLIC WI-FI AND I CAN CALL OVER THE PUBLIC WI-FI ALL DAY LONG. NOT EVERYBODY HAS THAT CAPABILITY.

WE FELT IT WAS IMPORTANT TO PROVIDE THE MOST ACCESSIBLE SPACE FOR ANYONE COMING IN THERE WITH THEIR CELL PHONES.

THEY CAN USE IT WITH THEIR OWN CARRIERS. OBVIOUSLY WE'RE TARGETING THE MAJOR THREE -- THREE MAJOR CARRIERS. IF THEY DON'T HAVE A PHONE THAT IS CAPABLE OF WI-FI CALLING, THEY CAN STILL USE THEIR OWN SERVICES FOR THAT. THEY DON'T HAVE TO GET ON THE CITY'S WI-FI IF THEY DON'T WANT TO.

>> OKAY, I THINK I LIKE THE IDEA OF MAKING SURE EVERYONE CAN CALL. PERSONALLY I WOULD LIKE TO SEE HOW IT GOES ONCE WE ACTUALLY GET OVER THERE AT THE COST BEING SO SIGNIFICANT.

THAT'S JUST ME. >> I WOULD SAY, IF WE DON'T PUT THIS ENDURING CONSTRUCTIONS -- CONSTRUCTION WITH NO WALL AND CEILINGS ARE OPEN. THE COST PUTTING IN LATER IS MUCH GREATER. WE HAVE TO GO AND PULL EVERYTHING OUT AND RE-CABLE.

FAR MORE EXPENSIVE TO COME AFTER THE FACT. THAT'S WHY WE TRY TO GET IT AFTER THE WALLS ARE UP BUT BEFORE WE CLOSED EVERYTHING UP FOR THE CEILINGS.

>> GOT IT. ONCE EVERYTHING IS FINISHED OUT, THIS BECOMES SIGNIFICANTLY BIGGER RUBBER PROJECT. OKAY, I APPRECIATED.

>> THERE'S TWO THINGS WE'VE GOTTEN PLAY HERE, RIGHT? THE ANTENNA SYSTEM IS NOT FOR CELLULAR SERVICE. IT'S FOR OUR FIRST RESPONDERS AND TO ME WHAT WE HAVE FOR THE RADIOS AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE TO FUNCTION CORRECTLY INSIDE THE BUILDING. THERE'S AN AUXILIARY PIECE THAT IS ALSO A CELLULAR BOOSTER. IF THE SELLER BOOSTER WERE TO MOVE DOES NOT SIGNIFICANTLY ALTER THE PRICE? BECAUSE WE HAVE TO PUT IN THE

SYSTEM ANYWAYS. >> I'M GOING TO REFER BACK TO JONATHAN. HE IS OUR MCA REP. MOTOROLA REP. HE PUT TOGETHER THE QUOTE. HE WOULD HAVE A BETTER IDEA OF THE BREAKDOWN.

>> I LOOK TO SEE IF THEY ARE ITEMIZED AND THEY ARE NOT. HE GOES TO ALAN'S POINT OF HOW MUCH IS THIS FOR PUBLIC CONVENIENCE AND CUSTOMER SERVICE AND HOW MUCH OF THIS $290,000 IS NECESSARY TO HAVE OUR FIRE DEPARTMENT FUNCTION

CORRECTLY? >> WRITES. GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS JONATHAN, THE MOTOROLA REPRESENTATIVE FOR THE CITY OF MIDLOTHIAN. LIKE YOU SAID, YOU STATED THE OBVIOUS. HALF IS FOR THE PUBLIC SAFETY RADIO SYSTEM FOR THE COMMUNICATIONS OF

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COVERAGE INSIDE THE BUILDING. >> THE CELL BOOSTER IS BOOSTING THE OVERHEAD AIR SIGNALS. IT'S NOT TYING INTO THE FIBER. IF THE FIBER WERE TO GO DOWN FOR SOME REASON, YOU WOULD STILL HAVE CELLULAR COVERAGE INSIDE THE BUILDING.

>> RIGHT. EACH SYSTEM IS AT THE PRINT -- INDEPENDENT SYSTEM .

LANDMINES OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT FOR CITY BUILDINGS.

>> I LIKE WHAT YOU ARE ALL PUTTING TOGETHER. I LIKE THE THOUGHT OF DOING IT, IT'S JUST THE COST I AM WAITING. HOW FREQUENTLY DOES FIBER GO DOWN, THOUGH? ISN'T IT PRETTY -- IT'S PROBABLY THE MOST STABLE .

>> FIBER IS A GOOD SOURCE. IT'S A GOOD MEANS OF COMMUNICATION. JUST LIKE YOU SAID, FIBER COMMUNICATION CAN BE CUT. THERE'S OTHER THINGS . FOR SOMEONE DIGGING, DOESN'T CALL 811, IT'S NOT LOCATED. AS SOON AS THEY CUT THE LINE, IT DEPENDS ON WHO'S FIBER IT IS AND WHAT'S CONNECT TO IT. THEY ARE LOST IN THAT MOMENT, VERSUS THE CELL BOOSTER IS TAKING THE OUTSIDE CELL COVERAGE FROM THE ANTENNA AND DOING EVERYTHING WIRELESSLY AND NOT SOLELY DEPENDENT UPON THE FIBER IN THE

GROUND. >> THERE IS A LEGITIMATE -- I GUESS YOU COULD PROBABLY GIVE SEVERAL EXAMPLES OF LEGITIMATE WAYS IN WHICH THE FIBER COULD ACTUALLY GO DOWN, EVEN THOUGH THEY MIGHT BE UNLIKELY , IT STILL HAPPENS FROM TIME TO

TIME. >> THINK OF IT OF LEVELS OF REDUNDANCY OR FALL BLACK PLAN. LEVEL ONE WOULD BE FIBER. IF THAT GOES DOWN WE HAVE OUR FALLBACK SOLUTION, WHICH WOULD BE THE CELL BOOSTER. THAT'S INDEPENDENT OF ANYTHING IN THE GROUND. IT'S ALL GOING TO BE THROUGH RADIO WAVES IN THE SKY,

PER SE. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? >> YEAH. THANK YOU.

>> DOES THAT HELP? >> IT MAKES PERFECT SENSE.

>> FOR CLARITY, I WANT TO MAKE SURE YOU ARE AWARE IT'S REQUIREMENT OF FIRE CODE. WE REQUIRE BUILDINGS OF CERTAIN SIZE TO HAVE THAT FOR OUR RAIDERS TO FUNCTION. THAT'S A REQUIREMENT OF THE FIRE CODE. IF WE GET SOMEONE THAT CUTS OUR FIBER LINE, WE ALSO WANT TO BE ABLE TO FUNCTION IN ACO -- EOC

WITH CELL PHONES. >> I WANTED TO STAY, FOR THE

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NEED A BACKUP SYSTEM. >> PART OF THE PROBLEM. ARE WE GOOD? I WILL TAKE A MOTION HIM. SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN WEAVER.

PLEASE VOTE. ITEM PASSES, 6-0. OPENING ITEM, 2024-316 .

CONSIDER AND ACT UPON A CONTRACT WITH JOHNSON TECHNICAL SERVICES TO MOVE & REINFORCE THE LARGE COMMUNICATIONS TOWER AT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, MOVE ALL EQUIPMENT FROM THE SMALL TOWER TO THE LARGE TOWER, AND RUN FIBER TOMIC.

>> GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. WITH THE NEW PUBLIC SAFETY CONSTRUCTION, ONE OF THE ITEMS IS THE SMALL TOWER AT THE SITE IS COMING DOWN. WERE ALMOST ALL OF OUR EQUIPMENT IS CURRENTLY LOCATED. WE PREVIOUSLY DID AN ENGINEERING STUDY OF THAT TOWER TO PLAN FOR ALL OF OUR EQUIPMENT MOVES -- ARE, FOR THE LARGE TOWER WE DID A ENGINEERING STUDY TO SEE THE IMPACT AND WHAT WOULD BE REQUIRED TO TAKE DOWN THE SMALL TOWER CAN MOVE ALL OF OUR EQUIPMENT TO THE LARGE TOWER AND CONNECT IT TO THE NEW FACILITY. THERE'S A COUPLE OF

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>> COUNCIL QUESTIONS ON THIS CASE.

>> I WANT TO CLARIFY, MIKE, THIS ITEM , BECAUSE I DON'T FULLY UNDERSTAND ALL THE STUFF YOU DO, BELIEVE IT OR NOT, BUT JUST TO GET SOME CLARITY HERE , SOME OF THESE ITEMS, BECAUSE I KNOW IT'S STACKING UP . IT'S A LOT OF MONEY ALL COMBINED. I WANT TO CLARIFY ON THIS ITEM SPECIFICALLY. THERE IS NO ALTERNATIVE, REALLY TO DOING SOME OF THESE THINGS OUTSIDE OF -- I MEAN, IS THERE ALTERNATIVES, OTHER WAYS TO DO IT? IS THIS STUFF JUST NECESSARY MAINTENANCE OPERATION

OF WHAT YOU DO EVERY DAY? >> I HESITATE TO SAY IT'S ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY. WE CAN FIGURE OUT OTHER WAYS TO DO IT.

IT WOULD INVOLVE A CONSIDERABLE AMOUNT OF EFFORT TO DO THAT. WE

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>> WE ARE LOOKING AT COST, IT'S JUST A MATTER OF WHAT --

>> TRYING TO BE AS ECONOMICAL AS POSSIBLE AND ADDRESSING THE CHANGES TO THAT SITE. THIS IS THE MOST ECONOMICAL WAY TO GO.

>> OKAY, THANK YOU, SIR. >> ENTERTAIN A MOTION. MOTION APPROVED TO -- TO IMPROVE BY COUNCILMAN MOORMAN. PLEASE VOTE. ITEM PASSES, 6-0. CONSIDER -- I'M SORRY, ITEM 317. CONSIDER AND ACT UPON A CONTRACT WITH JOHNSON TECHNICAL SERVICES TO UPGRADE THE MICROWAVE FROM THE POLICE DEPARTMENT TO WATER TREATMENT PLANT ONE FOR $54,163.96 PLUS A 10% CONTINGENCY OF $5,416.40 IN AN AMOUNT NOT TO EXCEED MIKE, 'G THIS IS NOT A KITCHEN MICROWAVE.

>> NO SIR, POINT-TO-POINT MICROWAVE, HIGH-SPEED MICROWAVE WE USED TO MINI KIT WITH FACILITIES FAR AWAY. WE HAVE A NUMBER OF THESE AROUND TOWN. A GOOD NUMBER OF ON THE PUBLIC SAFETY TOWERS. THIS ONE, BELIEVE IT OR NOT, IS NOT SPECIFICALLY RELATED TO THE NEW PUBLIC FACILITY, BUT IMPACTED BY THE CONSTRUCTION. WE ARE LOOKING AT FUTURE IN PROVING THAT THE WATER -- IMPROVEMENTS OF THE WATER FACILITY. AND WATER TREATMENT NUMBER ONE. IN ORDER TO DO THOSE SECURITY IMPROVEMENTS WE HAVE TO UPGRADE THE MICROWAVE LINK WE ARE CURRENTLY USING TO COMMUNICATE WITH THAT SITE. BECAUSE IT'S SO FAR WITH THE COST OF RUNNING FIBER OUT THERE IS COST PROHIBITIVE WE USE POINT-TO-POINT MICROWAVE TO SEND ALL OF OUR NETWORK AND LIBERTY -- CONNECTIVITY THERE AND BACK. IT WILL ALLOW US -- WE WILL CORRELATE THESE WITH THE OTHER MOVES HAPPENING AT THE PUBLIC SAFETY SITE TO REDUCE DUPLICATION OF COST. WE SHOULD SAVE MONEY THERE. WE

CAN'T BUDGET IT THAT WAY. >> TAMMY, ANYONE ASSIGNED --

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>> IT'S ALL OUT OF UTILITY FUND.

>> THEY GO. >> JUST ON THE -- UTILITY FUND,

IS THIS A BUDGETED ITEM? >> IT WAS A BUDGETED ITEM. LAST YEAR, WE CONTINUE TO THIS YEAR, I COULDN'T GET IT LAST YEAR.

>> ENTERTAIN A MOTION. >> MOTION TO APPROVE FROM COUNCILMAN ROGERS. SECOND BY COUNCILMAN WEAVER. PLEASE VOTE.

ITEM PASSES, 6-0. >> THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU, MIKE. OPENING ITEM 24 -- 2024-318. CONSIDER AND ACT UPON AN AGREEMENT WITH GRAPHTEC, INC. FOR SIGNAGE AND WAYFINDING FOR THE NEW CITY HALL & LIBRARY FACILITY IN A BASE BID AMOUNT OF $128,322 PLUS A 10% CONTINGENCY OF $12,832 FOR A TOTAL AMOUNT NOT TO EQUITE.

>> THANK YOU, MAYOR, COUNCIL. THIS IS FOR WAYFINDING, FOR THE NEW CITY HALL EXTERIOR AS WELL AS INTERIOR. WE WILL BE SHARING

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>> >> TAMMY, ANYONE SIGNED UP TO

SPEAK? ALLEN. >> WE HAVE THIS ON THE AGENDA AT ONE TIME, WAS IT DISCUSSED AT THAT TIME?

>> SOMETHING WE DISCUSSED AND PULLED OFF THE AGENDA THAT

WASN'T RELATED TO THIS. >> YOU SAID THIS DOES OR DOES NOT INCLUDE THE ELECTRONIC MESSAGE SIGN. WE SHOULD EXPECT

ADDITIONAL FOR THAT. >> IT WILL NOT BE THROUGH THIS, IT'S WILL BE INDEPENDENT OF THE COMPANY. THIS IS A SIGNAGE

COMPANY. >> FULL DESIGN INSTALLATION, MANUFACTURING, 100%. DOES EVERY SIGN WE ARE PUTTING ON CITY HALL , EXTERNALLY, ADHERE TO THE SIGN REGULATIONS WE HOLD

PRIVATE BUSINESSES TO. >> YES, I BELIEVE SO. THERE ARE SEVERAL SMALLER SIGNS THAT DON'T ADHERE, BUT THEY -- ON NORMAL BUSINESSES THEY WOULDN'T HAVE TO ADHERE. NO SMOKING, RESERVED PARKING, THOSE TYPES OF THINGS.

>> ALLEN. I WAS WONDERING, FROM PROCESS PERSPECTIVE, I KNOW , OBVIOUSLY, WHEN WE GOT THE BUDGET FOR CITY HALL . I KNOW OBVIOUSLY WE HAD TO MAKE ADJUSTMENTS AND THAT KIND OF STUFF. AS FAR AS SOMETHING, LIKE, THE SIGNAGE FOR THE BUILDING, IN THE PROCESS, WHO IS DETERMINING , FOR EXAMPLE, HOW MUCH OR HOW LITTLE SIGNAGE WE NEED? IS THAT YOUR TEAM? DO WE HAVE A CONTRACTOR THAT IS GIVING SOME CONSULTATION BASED ON THE SQUARE FOOTAGE, AND THIS MANY ROOMS, AND BASED ON OTHER CITY HALL'S. CAN YOU JUST CLARIFY HOW WE COME TO

SOMETHING LIKE THIS? >> YOU BETS. THAT'S A VERY APPROPRIATE QUESTION THIS EVENING. THE GENTLEMAN TALKING ABOUT THE HANDICAP ACCESS. THAT STATE LAW. THAT'S GOVERNED BY STATE LAW. THE MAYBE EVEN GOVERNED BY FEDERAL LAW. OUR ARCHITECTS MAKE SURE WE ADHERE TO THE LEGAL REQUIREMENTS WE HAVE. THEN THE ARCHITECTS GO BACK AND THEY DETERMINED , YOU KNOW, OKAY, WELL, THIS IS GOING TO BE THE CITY COUNCIL CHAMBERS. AS SOON AS YOU WALK THROUGH THE DOOR YOU WANT TO BE ABLE TO EASILY IDENTIFY, I WANT TO GO TO THE LIBRARY, CITY COUNCIL CHAMBERS. THEY GO DO THAT. IT IS ALL WITHIN THE ARCHITECTURAL CONTRACT THEY DESIGN. WHAT WE DID EARLIER AT THE VERY BEGINNING OF THIS, WE THOUGHT WE COULD DO THIS CHEAPER, SO WE PULLED IT OUT OF THE CONTRACT. TYPICALLY STEELE AND FREEMAN WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT.

CONSTRUCTION MANAGER AT RISK. WE THOUGHT WE COULD SAVE SOME MONEY, AND WE HAVE. I CAN'T DETERMINE HOW MUCH BECAUSE WE DIDN'T ALLOW THEM TO BID IT. WE PULLED IT OUT. WE DECIDED TO DO THIS OURSELVES. WE PUT OUT THE BID. LIKE I SAID, THE ARCHITECT PROVIDED ALL THE DRAWINGS. WE PUT THOSE DRAWINGS OUT TO BID. WE HAD SEVERAL COMPANIES BID ON WHAT THE ARCHITECTS HAD DESIGNED PER CODE.

>> GOT IT. OKAY. BY PULLING THIS OUT, WE BASICALLY TOOK A PIECE OF IT AND MADE THEM WORK A COMPETITIVE SITUATION.

>> THERE ARE SEVERAL ITEMS. A LOT OF THINGS I'VE BEEN BRINGING TO YOU ARE FOR THAT REASON. WE BILL -- PULL THEM OUT OF THE CONTRACT AND COMPETITIVELY BUILD THEM

OURSELVES. >> WHAT ABOUT THE DESIGN ELEMENT? WHAT IT IS PHYSICALLY LOOKING LIKE .

>> THE SIGNAGE, FONT, THOSE TYPES OF THINGS?

>> YOU KNOW, I RELY ON ARCHITECTS FOR THAT. I DON'T WANT TO USE 1930S ART DECO FONT FOR BUILDING. IT'S CLARITY.

WHEN YOU GET SIGNAGE, RULE OF THUMB, YOU DON'T USE SCRIPT, BECAUSE YOU WANT TO IDENTIFY WHAT IT IS SAYING. THE ULTIMATE GOAL OF SIGNAGE OR WAYFINDING IS SOMEONE CAN IDENTIFY IT AND IDENTIFY THAT'S WHERE I NEED TO GO. A LOT OF IT IS CLARITY.

I RELY ON THE PROFESSIONALS, THE ARCHITECTS TO DO THAT.

>> OKAY, WITHIN THEIR BID IT SEEMS LIKE THERE IS QUITE A BIT OF RANGE WITH HOW FANCY SOMETHING COULD BE OR LARGE AND

ELABORATE PURSES BASIC. >> YEAH. AND THERE IS. MAY BE

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LIBRARY, ET CETERA. >> I WOULD IMAGINE THEY ARE GOING TO USE OUR APPROVED LOGOS AND DESIGNS AND ALL THAT SORT

OF STUFF. >> YES. MIKE.

>> I WANT TO CONFIRM AS I LOOK THROUGH THIS INFORMATION, I TOOK IT FOR GRANTED, EVEN THOUGH WE WERE APPROVING A RESPECTABLE AMOUNT OF DOLLARS HERE, A LOT OF THESE, FOR INSTANCE , I TOOK IT FOR GRANTED THAT THIS PARTICULAR LINE ITEM WOULD BE RELATED TO THE ACTUAL BUILDING PLAN THAT CAME BEFORE THE COMMITTEE OR COUNCIL BEFORE I CAME ON. I FIGURED ALL THE SIGNAGE AND ALL THE SIGNS HAD ALL BEEN APPROVED IN THE BUILDING STRUCTURES AND STYLES ALONG WITH ALL THE OTHER

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THAT FOR GRANTED? >> I THINK THE FONT AND THAT STYLE WAS APPROVED AT THE INITIAL COUNCIL APPROVAL .

REALLY, AND I DO BELIEVE THAT WAS BEFORE YOU WERE SITTING ON THE COUNCIL. THE INTERIM BETWEEN.

>> THANK YOU. >> ALL RIGHT, I WILL HEAR A

MOTION ON 318. >>

>> MOTION TO APPROVE BY COUNCILMAN RODGERS, SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MOORMAN. PLEASE VOTE. PLEASE VOTE. ITEM PASSES, 6-0. OPENING ITEM 2024-319. CONSIDER AND ACT UPON THE PURCHASE AND INSTALLATION OF AUDIO-VISUAL EQUIPMENT FROM INFINITY SOUND, LTD. FOR THE COUNCIL CHAMBERS AND COMMUNITY ROOM IN THE NEW CITY HALL & LIBRARY IN THE AMOUNT OF

$138,650.00 WITH A 10CLYDE. >> THANK YOU, MAYOR. THIS IS SIMILAR TO THE LAST ITEM WE BROUGHT FORWARD. THIS IS FOR THE VOTING EQUIPMENT, VIDEO WALL IN THE BACK. WE ENLARGE TO THAT A LITTLE BIT. THE MICROPHONES, CABLES, INSTALLATION, EQUIPMENT FOR THE COUNCIL CHAMBERS . ONE THING WE ALSO HAVE DONE , PER MIKE'S SUGGESTION IS WE CROWDED CABLING BACK TO THE COMMUNITY ROOM. WE WILL BE ABLE TO RECORD MEETINGS FROM THE COMMUNITY ROOM. WE HAVE FUNDS THAT WILL WORK IN THE COMMUNITY ROOM THERE. OF COURSE THEY ARE GOING TO WORK, BUT I'M REFERENCING THE CONFERENCE CENTER, SORRY.

THAT GIVES US THE ABILITY TO RECORD THOSE IN THE COMMUNITY ROOM, WHICH IS HALF A BUILDING AWAY.

>> >> TAMMY, ANYONE SIGNED UP TO

SPEAK? >> YOU ARE SAYING, WE GO TO

HAVE LARGER WORKSHOPS. >> YEAH.

>> I'M WITH YOU NOW. THIS IS THE EQUIPMENT UP HERE. THE SAME

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>> YES. IT WILL BE INTEGRATED WITH THE VOTING SYSTEM. ALL OF

THOSE THINGS ARE INTEGRATED >> IN MY LOWER?

>> YES. IF IT IS NOT USER ERROR, YES.

>> COUNCIL, ANYBODY ELSE HAVE QUESTIONS?

>> SAME QUESTIONS . IT IS WITHIN THE CONSTRUCTION BUDGET.

>> YES. >> OKAY.

>> MOTION. MOTION FROM COUNCILWOMAN HAMMONDS TO APPROVE. SECOND BY COUNCILMAN RODGERS. PLEASE VOTE. ITEM PASSES, 6-0. OPENING ITEM 2024-320. CONSIDER AND ACT UPON THE PURCHASE OF FLOCK SAFETY LICENSE PLATE READER PRODUCTS AND SERVICES AS DETAILED IN EXHIBIT A TO THE MASTER SERVICES AGREEMENT NOT TO EXCEED $209,100.00. CHIEF

SMITH. >> GOOD EVENING, MAYOR,

COUNCIL, HOW ARE YOU? >> WELL, THANK YOU.

>> AWESOME. LOTS OF PAPERWORK TONIGHT. GOING TO BE HERE FOUR MINUTES. OKAY, THIS ITEM, AS YOU KNOW, WE HAVE LOOKED AT THE PURCHASE OF THESE AUTOMATIC LICENSE PLATE READERS .

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A PARTICULAR LICENSE, PARTICULAR DESCRIPTION THEY ARE USING IN A CRIMINAL INVESTIGATION. NO INFORMATION.

THE INFORMATION IS ENCRYPTED. IT WILL NOT BE SOLD. IT SHALL NOT BE SHARED EXCEPT FOR CRIMINAL AGENCIES, CRIMINAL JUSTICE AGENCIES, LIKE MANSFIELD, RED OAK. THERE'S A LIST OF AGENCIES THAT INCLUDE GRAND PRAIRIE, ARLINGTON, DALLAS, FORT WORTH, IRVING AND OTHER AGENCIES IN THE AREA USING THE SYSTEM. ANYTIME WE PLACE LICENSE PLATE FOR RECORD MISSION , OR IT HAS BEEN LISTED IN A AMBER ALERT FROM OUR CITY , IF IT IS CAPTURED BY ONE OF THEIR AGENCY FLOCK CAMERAS, THEIR USERS WILL BE NOTIFIED THAT VEHICLE HAS NOW ENTERED THEIR JURISDICTION. THAT'S WHY IT'S SO EFFECTIVE IN DETECTING AND CATCHING CRIMINAL ACTIVITY. THE INFORMATION , CATEGORIES TYPICALLY USED IN THIS TYPE OF TECHNOLOGY, CATEGORIES OF INVESTIGATION INCLUDE PROTECTIVE ORDERS. THEY ARE ATTACHED TO LICENSE REGISTRATIONS. GANGS. SUSPECTED TERRORISTS WHO ARE WANTED FOR CRIMINAL BEHAVIOR. STOLEN VEHICLES, STOLEN LICENSE PLATES, MISSING PERSONS.

INCLUDING INFORMATION PROVIDED BY MISSING AND EXPLOITING CHILDREN AN FBI. AMBER AND SILVER ALERT, BLUE ALERTS. I THINK THERE ARE TWO OR THREE OTHER TYPES OF ALERTS, AS WELL.

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MANSFIELD. KEEPING INFORMATION FROM JANUARY 1ST TO JULY OF 2024, THEY HAD 361 WARRANT CONFIRMATIONS . ANOTHER ONES, 361 WARRANTS ON A COMPUTER THEY GOT NOTIFICATION THAT THEY WERE IN THEIR CITY. 30 ARRESTS CAME FROM THESE RELATED NOTIFICATIONS. THEY WERE COVERED OR IDENTIFIED 117 STOLEN VEHICLES. RECOVERED 10 MISSING PEOPLE , PERSONS, WHO WERE ON THE COMPUTER AS MISSING AND AT RISK. THEIR OWN HOTLIST INFORMATION EMMA PLACED ON THE COMPUTER SYSTEM, REGISTERED 847 HITS . IN OTHER WORDS, IF THEY WERE LOOKING FOR STOLEN VEHICLE, MISSING PERSON, OR IF THEY HAD SOME TYPE OF INFORMATION ABOUT SOMEONE WHO WAS USING THAT CAR, THERE CAMERAS AND ADJACENT CAMERAS, THESE VEHICLES WERE RECOGNIZED 147 TIMES. TRULY A MULTIPLIER FOR INVESTIGATIVE EFFORTS.

INFORMATION CAN ONLY BE ASKED JUST THIS IS ACCESSED BY ISSUED USERS. POLICE OFFICERS AND/OR OUR DISPATCH PERSONNEL .

THAT'S WHAT IT IS DESIGNED TO DO. WE BELIEVE IT CAN BE AN EFFECTIVE TOOL. THAT IS WHAT I GOT FROM INFORMATION AND QUESTIONS I GOT BEFORE I GOT HERE. I HAVE OTHER INFORMATION I'M HAPPY TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT, IF IT COMES UP.

>> I'M SURE THERE WILL BE MORE QUESTIONS. TAMMY, ANYONE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK? YOU WILL HAVE THREE MINUTES. STATE YOUR NAME

FOR THE RECORD. >> LISA, I LIVE IN THE CITY LIMITS. THANK YOU FOR MY TIME TONIGHT. CURRENTLY, THE SYSTEMS, THERE ARE NO STATE OR FEDERAL LAWS THAT APPLY TO THEM. THAT OPENS US UP BEYOND CONTRACT TO ABUSE. WHILE THEY STATE THEY WILL ONLY HOLD THE DATA ENCRYPTED FOR 30 DAYS, THEY CAN DECIDE NOT TO. IT IS A CLOUD-BASED SYSTEM, IT COULD BE HACKED. THAT DATA, WHILE THEY SAY THEY WON'T SHARE IT, THEY COULD SHARE IT. IT JUST OPENS UP AN OPPORTUNITY FOR ABUSE.

THAT HAS CONCERNS FOR ME, ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU'RE HAVING TAXPAYERS FOOT THE BILL. MY OTHER CONCERN IS, THERE IS CURRENT LEGISLATION GOING ON REGARDING THIS . THE SYSTEMS -- AND IN THE EVENT WE INVEST THIS MONEY, AND THERE IS LEGISLATION THAT PROHIBITS THE USE , THEN WE ARE HAVING TO PULL IT OUT , AND WE SPENT THIS MONEY. AGAIN, MAYBE WAITING IS MORE PRUDENT, AS WE HEAD INTO A LEGISLATIVE SESSION. MY OTHER CONCERN IS THE OVERREACH OF THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT . YOU CAN SEE, RIGHT NOW, THAT THE DEVELOPER OF TELEGRAM WAS ARRESTED IN FRANCE BECAUSE HE REFUSES , ABSOLUTELY REFUSES TO GIVE AWAY DATA. I DON'T THINK THIS FLOCK WILL HAVE THAT FORTITUDE. ALSO, THERE HAVE BEEN ABUSES IN MIDLOTHIAN FOR OVERREACH WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. I KNOW, I'VE HAD PERSONAL EXPERIENCE.

I WANT TO ENSURE THAT THEY DON'T HAVE THAT ABILITY TO DO

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THIS IS A SLOW CREEP. IT'S NOT GOING TO BE ALL AT ONCE. HAVE WE FORGOTTEN COVID? WE LOST A LOT OF FREEDOMS DURING COVID.

THIS IS ANOTHER ONE. RIGHT THERE KNOCKING AT OUR DOOR. AT MINIMUM, I ASK THAT YOU NOT USE TAXPAYER FUNDS, AND YOU HAVE A GRANT PAY FOR THIS. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS. TAMMY, ANYONE ELSE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK ? CHIEF, DO YOU WANT TO COME BACK UP? COUNCIL,

QUESTIONS, COMMENTS? >> MIKE YOU MAY HAVE TO JUMP IN ON THIS. HOW MANY CAMERAS DOES THE CITY OF MIDLOTHIAN CURRENTLY OPERATE IN AND AROUND OUR COMMUNITY? NOT FLOCK, JUST

CAMERAS. >> SURE. INSIDE OF FACILITIES AND OUTSIDE WE HAVE ABOUT 146 CAMERAS.

>> HOW LONG DO WE RETAIN THE VIDEO FEEDS FOR THE CAMERAS?

>> WE SHOOT FOR 120 DAYS. >> HOW MANY ARE POINTED TOWARDS ROADWAYS OR PUBLIC ACCESS AREAS, IF YOU HAD TO ESTIMATE.

>> WE TRY TO AVOID THAT BECAUSE IT CREATES UNNECESSARY TRAFFIC ON THE SYSTEMS. LOOKING AT SPACES ON OUR PROPERTIES.

GENERALLY SPEAKING, WE WANGLE THEM DOWN SO WE DON'T HIT THE ROADWAY, IF WE CAN DO IT. IF WE CANNOT WEEK -- WE EXEMPT THAT SPACE FROM RECORDING TO AVOID CARS GOING BY AND WHATNOT.

4250, MAY BE, THAT ARE OUT AND ABOUT IN SPACES. AGAIN, WE TRY TO AVOID RAID RATES -- ROADWAYS, SIDE A FEW WE WERE TESTING SPECIFICALLY WERE -- FOR ROADWAYS.

>> THANK YOU, SIR. >> YES.

>> YEAH. OKAY, A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS ON THE FLOCK. AS FAR AS BEING INVOLVED WITH OTHER ENTITIES, THIS IS NATIONWIDE THE OTHER ENTITIES HAVE OUTSIDE OF TEXAS?

>> YES. >> THE REASON I ASK IS YOU

MENTIONED FBI. >> YES. THEY RECEIVE INFORMATION FROM THE FBI ON MISSING PERSONS AND EXPLOITED MISSING CHILDREN. THAT'S PART OF WHERE THEY GET THE DATA.

NCIC, TCIC, ONLY ACCESSIBLE BY LAW ENFORCEMENT IS INFORMATION WHERE YOU GET A LOT OF THE PERSONAL INFORMATION ON WARRANTS , CRIMINAL HISTORY, THOSE KIND OF THINGS WE USE IN OUR DAILY INVESTIGATIVE INFORMATION ANYWAY. WE WILL GO THROUGH THAT. I'VE GOT A NUMBER HERE IN THE STOCK, I CAN GET IT FOR YOU. I KNOW IN THE DALLAS, FORT WORTH AREA, WE HAVE ONE OF THE HEAVIEST CONCENTRATIONS OF FLOCK CAMERAS IN THE COUNTRY. NEVADA, ALL OVER THE SOUTHWEST. IT IS A GROWING TOOL BEING USED BY LAW ENFORCEMENT. INTRASTATE AND INTERSTATE. I DO UNDERSTAND THE CONCERNS . AND THE ISSUES WITH -- THERE HAVE BEEN SEVERAL DISCUSSIONS OVER THE YEARS.

SOME OF THE FIRST INFORMATION WE STARTED LOOKING AT, THE CASE LAW I START -- ALL STARTED IN 2013. RECENT CASE LAW AS RECENTLY AS 2021 TALKING ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT THIS IS A SEIZURE ISSUE, OR WHETHER OR NOT IT'S OPEN RECORD INFORMATION PROVIDED TO PEOPLE IN OPEN SPACE. FOR NOW, THE SUPREME COURT AND OTHER COURTS HAVE CONTINUED TO SUPPORT THE USE OF THIS INFORMATION BECAUSE IT IS NOT CONSIDERED AN ILLEGAL SEARCH, AND IT'S NOT BEING TAKEN FROM PRIVATE LOCATIONS.

IT'S IN A PUBLIC LOCATION. TAKING A STILL OF THE VEHICLE, THEY ARE NOT -- ALL THEY ARE DOING , AT THE POINT OF COMPARING, HOT LIST OF INFORMATION AND THAT LICENSE PLATE, OR DESCRIPTION OF THAT VEHICLE IS INFORMATION AGENCIES PUT IN. THE SYSTEM, ITSELF, DOES NOT RUN THE CAR FOR ANY DATA. THAT'S THE INVESTIGATOR OR POLICE OFFICER POSITION.

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OF THESE RECORDS. >> ON THAT NOTE -- SORRY, I HAVE A LOT OF QUESTIONS. ONE OF THE ARTICLE SENT TO US, THERE WAS A QUART TALKING ABOUT HOW THIS COULD LEAD TO VOTING RECORDS AND OTHER PRIVACY INFORMATION. TO HAVE A COMMENT

ON THAT? >> I DON'T SEE HOW IT COULD.

AGAIN, THE INFORMATION IS ENCRYPTED. IT'S ONLY A PICTURE OF A LICENSE PLATE. I DON'T KNOW -- UNLESS YOU TAKE BACK, AGAIN, YOU HAVE TO BREAK THE ENCRYPTION , DOWNLOAD THE INFORMATION, THEN YOU HAVE TO GO THROUGH A PUBLIC SOURCE TO GET THE REGISTERED OWNER. THAT DOES NOT MEAN THE PERSON REGISTERED TO THE VEHICLE WAS THERE. THAT'S WHY IT'S AN

INVESTIGATIVE TOOL. >> SO ARE ALL OF THE CAMERAS, AT LEAST IN PHASE ONE, WHAT YOU LISTED SO FAR, ARE THEY ALSO THE PROPERTY? THEY ARE ALL PUBLIC. IS THERE ANYTHING YOU ARE GETTING FROM THESE FLOCK CAMERAS THAT YOU WOULD NOT GET FROM A TOLL ROAD , FROM -- I GET THE LINK AND EVERYTHING.

OTHER CAMERAS MIKE WAS TALKING ABOUT.

>> IN FACT WE GET A LOT OF INFORMATION PARTICULARLY FROM THE CAMERAS IN THE PARKS. WE'VE MADE SEVERAL ARRESTS ON CRIMINAL MISCHIEF'S , BEING ABLE TO IDENTIFY INDIVIDUALS THROUGH THOSE CAMERAS . IN FACT, I THINK I BROUGHT IT TO YOUR ATTENTION A FEW WEEKS AGO, WE HAD A BURGLARY OF A VEHICLE IN THE MAIN PARK OFF OF 14TH OR COMMUNITY PARK. WE HAD A STILL OF THE INDIVIDUAL WHO COMMITTED THE CRIME, WE JUST DON'T HAVE THE IDENTIFIERS ON THE FRONT OR BACK OF THE VEHICLES. IT'S NOT DESIGNED TO DO THAT. YES, WE ARE GETTING INFORMATION. YES, WE DO USE THAT AS PART OF THE INVESTIGATIVE PROCESS. WE HAVE PUSHED DOWN A LOT OF THE CRIMINAL MISCHIEF THAT HAS BEEN OCCURRING IN THESE PARKS. WE ARE ONLY GOING TO BE PLACING THESE IN PUBLIC RIGHT-OF-WAY, AND ONLY TAKING PHOTOGRAPHS OF VEHICLES THAT HAVE NO EXPECTATION OF PRIVACY, SUCH AS A GARAGE, PRIVATE BACKYARD OR ANYTHING OF THAT NATURE.

THAT'S NOT WHAT THIS IS DESIGNED TO DO.

>> I AM HEARING YOU SAY IT WILL, OBVIOUSLY, ADD TO OUR OWN SAFETY, AS FAR AS CATCHING CRIMES IN OUR OWN PARKS.

OBVIOUSLY THE LINK TO ALL THE OTHER AGENCIES.

>> MULTIPLIER. >> LITERALLY A KIDNAPPED CHILD, THEY SEND IT OUT TO THE SYSTEM, IF THEN TAGS THAT LICENSE PLATE . WHEN THAT LICENSE PLATE ENTERS OUR FLOCK IT IS

NOTIFIED. >> I HAVE SEVERAL CASE STUDIES I CAN GIVE TO YOU OR GO THROUGH . MURDER SUSPECT APPREHENDED, MISSING PERSON CASE STUDY OUT OF BUDGET -- BEDFORD. SILVER ALERT SUCCESSFULLY SOLVED IN ARGYLE. ARLINGTON PD HAS SEVERAL SHOOTING VICTIMS , CASES THAT WERE IDENTIFIED. THE SYSTEM IS BEING USED THROUGHOUT THE METRIC? AND THE STATE OF TEXAS TO SOLVE CRIMES. SOME OF THE MOST SIGNIFICANT CRIMES WE

DEAL WITH. >> OKAY. THE HARD DELETE AFTER 30 DAYS, IS THAT YOU ALL DOING NOT , OR DOES THE SYSTEM DO IT

ON ITS OWN? >> AUTOMATIC DELETE FROM THE

FLOCK SYSTEM. >> IT IS SET UP THAT WAY. THEY ABSOLUTELY DID NOT TRUST YOU, IS THERE A WAY YOU COULD LEAK THIS INFORMATION NOW OR ANY OTHER POLICE INFORMATION YOU HAVE ON HAND OUTSIDE OF THE CAMERA? HOW DOES THAT PROCESS

WORK? >> IT WOULD BE A VERY INTENTIONAL ACT TO RETRIEVE THE INFORMATION . SAY I WAS LOOKING FOR A PARTICULAR LICENSE PLATES. NOW I DON'T BELIEVE, I DON'T KNOW THE SYSTEM WELL OR NOT, I CAN DO A SEARCH FOR ALL FOUR-DOOR WHITE SEDANS THAT ARE THIS PARTICULAR MAKE. SAY TOYOTA. IT WILL GIVE ME A LISTING OF ALL OF THOSE. AT THAT POINT I WOULD ACCESS -- WOULD HAVE ACCESS TO ALL THE LICENSE PLATES. I COULD , TECHNICALLY, RUN ALL THOSE LICENSE PLATES. GET ALL THE INFORMATION, ENCRYPT THAT SOMEWHERE. THAT WOULD BE A VIOLATION OF NOT ONLY STATE LAW

BY FEDERAL LAW. >> THERE ARE LAWS IN PLACE.

>> CORRECT. >> I THINK THAT'S ALL I HAVE .

I WILL LET YOU KNOW IF SOMETHING ELSE COMES UP.

>> ALLEN. >> CHIEF, HOW MANY OFFICERS WITHIN THE DEPARTMENT WOULD HAVE ACCESS TO THIS

INFORMATION? >> EACH ONE OF OUR OFFICERS

WOULD HAVE ACCESS TO ITS. >> OKAY, SO, NOT ONLY THE CRIMINAL INVESTIGATION UNIT, BUT ANY OFFICER.

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>> ANY OFFICER, -- SAY A PATROL OFFICER ENTERED THE INFORMATION INTO OUR SYSTEM, AND IT WENT TO THE FLOCK. HE OR SHE COULD GET A NOTIFICATION THAT THAT VEHICLE WAS SEEN ON THE CAMERA AT 14TH AND SOMETHING SOMETHING HUNDRED BLOCK. THAT WOULD LEAD THEM TO THAT VEHICLE . IF IT WAS STATIONARY OR HAD GONE THROUGH. IT GETS THOSE KIND OF NOTIFICATIONS. THAT'S THE ACCESS THEY WOULD HAVE TO ITS.

>> I TALKED TO ANOTHER CITY TODAY THAT HAS ONE OF THESE IN PLACE. THEY ONLY HAVE FOUR OFFICERS THAT HAVE ACCESS TO THE SYSTEM. HAVE WE CONSIDERED LIMITING THE ACCESS TO ALSO LIMIT THE LIABILITY OR POSSIBILITY OF SOMEONE GOING

ROGUE AND DOING SOMETHING? >> EVERYONE OF THE OFFICERS WE HAVE, COUNCILMEMBER, HAS ACCESS TO TO CIP IN THE CAR. THEY CAN DO MORE DAMAGE WITH THAT THEN THEY COULD IN THE SYSTEM, IN MY

OPINION. >> OKAY. I'M SURE THERE ARE SOME, BUT CAN YOU DESCRIBE WHAT ARE THE CHECKS AND BALANCES OF ENSURING THE INFORMATION ACCESSED IS BEING USED APPROPRIATELY AND NOT FOR ANY OTHER PURPOSE OUTSIDE OF AN

INVESTIGATION? >> THERE'S AN AUDIT TRAIL THAT IS CREATED BY EVERY ACCESS POINT. EVERY TIME I ASK IT -- OFFICER LOGS OF INTO THE SYSTEM. THERE IS AN ACCESS LOG ADMINISTRATOR, WHICH WOULD LIKELY BE OUR COMMANDER HEART, BECAUSE HE IS -- HE HAS MORE TECHNICAL KNOWLEDGE AND IS SUITED TO THIS TYPE OF TECHNOLOGY. WITH OTHER AUDITS WE REQUIRED TO DO THROUGH THE ACCREDITATION PROGRAM, ALL OF THESE WILL -- AUDITED ON A REGULAR BASIS. IT'S THE SAME WAY WE WOULD GET -- WE GET AUDITED BY TCIC. TEXAS COMES IN. DPS COMES IN AND DOES AN AUDIT OF ALL OF OUR SYSTEMS WITHIN THE TELECOMMUNICATION SYSTEM. YOU HAVE TO KEEP A LOG OF EVERY TIME WE ACCESS TCIC . WE HAVE TO SHOW WHAT WE DID WITH THE CRIMINAL HISTORY. SIMILAR TO THAT SITUATION.

ACCESS THAT INFORMATION, IT HAS TO BE FOR A LEGITIMATE REASON.

IT WILL BE ON THE LOG. >> AUDITS. THAT'S ALL THE QUESTIONS I HAVE. I HAVE SOME COMMENTS.

>> I AM VERY MUCH PRIVACY RIGHTS GUIDE. AS WE ARE. BEING ON PUBLIC GROUND. SEVERAL OF THE QUESTIONS HAVE BEEN ANSWERED THAT I HAD LISTED, BUT , YOUR CURRENT CIRCUMSTANCES, WHICH YOU STATED A MOMENT AGO, EVEN WITH THE LICENSE PLATE, YOU DON'T KNOW WHO IS DRIVING THE CAR, YOU ONLY KNOW WHO OWNS

THE CAR . >> IT ONLY GIVES US ANOTHER

AVENUE OF INVESTIGATION. >> PART OF THE INVESTIGATIVE PROCESS. SUPERVISION OF THE INVESTIGATORS, THOSE WHO HAVE ACCESS. THE CHECKS AND BALANCES FOLLOWING UP ON WHAT MR. MOORMAN SAID . IF SOME OF THIS IS BEING ACCESSED, WHO IS

CHECKING -- >> CORRECT. YEAH. WITH EVERY INVESTIGATION, AS YOU RECALL -- SORRY.

>> ARE YOU ALL GOOD? >> I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS.

HOPEFULLY ALLERGIES. >> EMS COMING.

>> ON HIS WAY. >> PROBABLY ALLERGIC TO HIM.

>> YOU SAW THAT PICTURE. I CAN'T WAIT TO GET HIS HANDS ON ME. IN A LOVING WAY. I AM NOT SURE WHAT THAT WAS ABOUT. YOU GOT ME CHOKED UP. YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO REPEAT YOUR QUESTION. SPIN-UP FOLLOWING UP ON WHAT MR. MOORMAN SAID , YOU HAVE SOMEONE ACCESSING, WHO IS CHECKING THE ACCESS? IS THERE A REGULAR ROUTINE? IS THAT SOMETHING A SUPERVISOR DOES ON

A WEEKLY BASIS? >> BELIEVE ME, WITH OUR MOVEMENT TOWARDS THE NATIONAL ACCREDITATION, WHAT WE ARE LEARNING, AND WHAT I REMEMBER FROM MY TIME AS A AUDITS IS ALMOST ACCORDINGLY ISSUE ON EVERY SYSTEM YOU USE, IF IT IS

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US. >> IT SOUNDS , LIKE, THERE'S A LOT OF SURROUNDING COMMUNITIES THAT ARE USING THIS PARTICULAR SYSTEM . WE ARE ABOUT THE ONLY ONES THAT ARE NOT?

>> I WOULD NOT SAY WE ARE THE ONLY ONES . IT IS INTERESTING WE ARE THE ONLY ONE IN THE 67, 287 CORE DOOR , WITH ALL OF OUR NEIGHBORS, DALLAS, CEDAR HILL. I DON'T KNOW IF DUNCANVILLE IS USING IT. I KNOW RED OAK , WHICH CREATES A NICE ENVIRONMENT FROM OUR PER SPEC IF, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE KIND OF ROADWAYS THAT WE TYPICALLY FOLLOW OUR SUSPECTS ON. THEY ARE EITHER HEADING EAST OR WEST ON 287, OR NORTH OR SOUTH ON 67. THEY ARE GOING TO BE CAPTURED BY ONE OF THESE.

>> PREDOMINANTLY WITH THE LICENSE PLATE NUMBER , THAT'S THE AVENUE FOR POSSIBLE INVESTIGATION.

>> WHAT THEY CALL OBJECTIVE EVIDENCE. IF YOU HAVE -- WE WERE TALKING A WHILE GO, IF YOU HAVE A FOUR-DOOR SEDAN THAT IS A CERTAIN MAKE, IF IT'S A TOYOTA, SAY IT IS -- OR IT'S A LAND ROVER AND HAS A ROCK ON THE TOP . SOME TYPE OF DEER GUARD ON THE FRONT. IF IT IS THAT, THAT INFORMATION IS GOING TO BE SEARCHABLE. ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE, YOU WILL PUT THOSE PARAMETERS IN THERE, IT WILL FIND EVERYTHING THAT MODELS THAT. WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT THE TIME SAVINGS AND -- AN INVESTIGATOR WOULD HAVE LOOKING AT THOSE KIND OF SUSPECT DESCRIPTIONS ON A VEHICLE, IT'S GOING TO BE ABLE TO PULL THAT TOGETHER FOR THE INVESTIGATOR TO LOOK AT AND SEE WHAT THE COMMONALITIES ARE. VERY SELDOM , UNLESS SOMEONE GETS OUT OF THE VEHICLE, THERE'S NO FACIAL RECOGNITION.

IN MY EXPERIENCE, IT'S DIFFICULT TO MAKE HEADS OR TAILS OF SOMEONE IN A VEHICLE. THE LIKELIHOOD YOU CAN I.D.

SOMEONE INSIDE THE VEHICLE IS VERY LIMITED. ESPECIALLY IF YOU SEE THESE, MOST OF THESE ARE HIGH-SPEED PHOTOGRAPHS. THEY ARE MOVING AT 60, 70 MILES AN HOUR. THEY ARE FOCUSED ON THE AREAS OF THE VEHICLE TO CAPTURE THAT LICENSE PLATE.

>> I'M OLD ENOUGH TO SEE THE INTEGRATION OF TECHNOLOGY TO A DEGREE. MY MIS -- IN-LAWS WERE FBI. WORKED IN THE FINGERPRINTING DIVISION. LOOKING UP AND COMPARING .

THAT'S ALL DIGITAL. NOT ONLY COUNTYWIDE, STATEWIDE AND

FEDERAL. >> THAT'S RIGHT.

>> DNA, AND ALL OF THAT. HOW CAN WE ASSURE THE PRIVACY OF THE CITIZENSHIP , AND AT THE SAME TIME -- KEEPING THEIR FREEDOMS, AND THE CRIMINAL BASE. THEY ARE LOSING THEIR

FREEDOMS, IN MY PERSPECTIVE. >> IT GOES BACK TO THE TYPE OF INFORMATION WE ARE TRYING TO CAPTURE. AGAIN IT GOES BACK. WE ARE NOT IDENTIFYING ANYONE IN THE CAR. WE ARE IDENTIFYING THE CAR, THE LICENSE PLATE, AND UNLESS THERE'S A REASON TO LOOK FOR A VEHICLE MATCHING THE DESCRIPTION, WE ARE NEVER GOING TO SEE IT. IT IS GOING TO BE DELETED EVERY 30 DAYS. THE CRAZY NUMBER -- THERE ARE OVER 1 BILLION PHOTOS A DAY IN THE SYSTEM. REALLY, TRULY, UNLESS YOU ARE LOOKING FOR A PARTICULAR TYPE OF CAR, YOU HAVE A PARTIAL LICENSE PLATE, THE LIKELIHOOD OF FINDING SOMETHING IN 1 BILLION DATA POINTS IS GOING TO BE DIFFICULT.

>> RESEARCH , LOOKING FOR SPECIFIC --

>> I WE ARE ALL GOING TO -- PUSH UP AGAINST THE WALL AND SAY, BUT IS THERE A CHANCE IT COULD BE ABUSED?

>> YES, WE HAVE ARRESTED PEOPLE WHO ABUSE THE SYSTEMS WE HAVE

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INTERNAL AUDIT AND MAKE SURE WE ARE DOING OUR JOB WELL AND MAKING SURE WE ARE WATCHING INTERNALLY TO MAKE SURE THOSE ABUSES DO NOT OCCUR. THAT ANY TIME , COUNCILMEMBER, YOU KNOW AS WELL AS I KNOW, IF THERE'S A PERSON PRESENT, A HUMAN PRESENT, THERE IS A CHANCE THERE'S A MISTAKE OR SOMEONE IS GOING TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE SITUATION.

>> TWO MORE QUESTIONS AND WRAP INTO ONE, TWO TIERED. PRAGMATIC SIDE OF IT. THE COST TO TAXPAYERS, THE COST TO THE CITY . QUESTIONS BROUGHT UP A MOMENT AGO. AS WELL AS, YOU KNOW, NOT ONLY FOR THE CAPITOL, THEY HAVE TO PROVIDE THE CAPITOL PART, AND THEN I AM ASSUMING , NOT KNOWING MORE TECHNOLOGY THAN I KNOW, THERE IS SOME SUBSCRIPTION PART FOR THE SOFTWARE ASPECT OF IT THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE PAID ON AN ANNUAL BASIS. WHAT ARE THOSE COSTS?

>> PRIMARILY IT'S A SUBSCRIPTION. THERE ARE MULTIPLE FACTORS . THEY CAN USE A CAMERA THAT WE OWNED THAT PLACES THE SOFTWARE ON THAT. THEY DON'T WARRANT THE QUALITY OF PICTURE BASED ON THAT. THERE ARE ADVANCES IN CAMERA TECHNOLOGY ALL THE TIME, AND THEY CAN BE EVEN CHEAPER. I BELIEVE FORT WORTH IS ONE OF THOSE AGENCIES, THEY BUILD THEIR OWN CAMERAS AND PUT THE TECHNOLOGY ON THERE. ALL THEY HAVE IS THE SUBSCRIPTION. THE INFRASTRUCTURE IS A POLL, THERE'S A CHARGE FOR THE POLE, A CHARGE FOR INSTALLATION.

$3000 A YEAR SUBSCRIPTION FOR THAT ELEGY MOVING FORWARD.

>> THAT CAN BE TIED IN WITH THE CAMERAS WE CURRENTLY HAVE. AN ADDITIONAL WE WOULD PURCHASE, OR THEY WOULD PROVIDE AND THEY BELONG TO THEM? WE PULL THE PLUG BECOME PULL THE CAMERAS.

>> OUR CAMERA, WE DELETE THE SOFTWARE. IF IT'S THERE, THEY

PULL THE SYSTEM. >> WHAT KIND OF NOTICE DO WE NEED TO HAVE? SORRY, I SAID I HAD TWO MORE QUESTIONS. WHAT KIND OF NOTICE DO WE HAVE IF WE WANT TO PULL THE PLUG IF WE DID GO INTO THIS. 60 DAYS. DID I SEE SOMETHING WITH 60 DAYS?

>> OF LEASE -- IF WE DECIDE TO STOP USING IT WE WILL STOP USING IT. COME PICK UP THEIR EQUIPMENT. THE FIRST TWO YEARS OF THIS, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY MIDLOTHIAN POLICE DEPARTMENT HAS BEEN PART OF -- FOR THE LAST , SINCE 2008, 2009, WEEK HOSTED A HIGH INTENSITY -- PART OF THAT GROUP, AS THE INVESTIGATIONS HAVE GONE THROUGH , AND VERY SUCCESSFULLY OVER THE YEARS, WE HAVE USED THE FUNDS WE ARE ALLOCATED BASED ON INVESTIGATIVE RESULTS FOR THIS TYPE OF EFFORT TO DETERMINE IF A TECH IS WORTH OUR INVESTMENT. THAT'S WHERE THE FUNDS ARE COMING. FORFEITURE ACCOUNT, NOT TAX FUNDS. THOSE WERE AWARDED TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT BASED ON THOSE IN THE PATIENTS. THIS IS THE KIND OF THING WE ARE DESIGNED FOR. TOOLS, EQUIPMENT, TECHNOLOGY THAT ADVANCES LAW ENFORCEMENT. FIRST TWO YEARS ARE COVERED BY THAT. IF WE DECIDE, -- IF YOU DECIDE IS WORTH INVESTIGATING, WE CAN LOOK AT HOW THAT COST IS ALLOCATED . CEDAR HILL, OVER HALF OF THEIR CAMERAS ARE PAID FOR BY A PID OR HOAS. THEY DON'T HAVE THAT MANY THAT THE CITY THEMSELVES ARE PAYING FOR.

THERE ARE OTHER WAYS OF HANDLING -- HAVING THESE

ALLOCATED. >> ROSS?

>> I JUST WANTED TO MENTION , AND I DO APPRECIATE ALL THE COUNCILMEMBERS ' COMMENTS. I WANTED TO MENTION TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC, FIRST OF ALL, CHIEF SMITH, I DO APPRECIATE YOU BRINGING THIS BEFORE US. IT IS OUTSTANDING. AN OUTSTANDING PRODUCT. AS FAR AS THE POSITIVES THAT THIS PROVIDES, THEY ARE ABUNDANT. I CAN SURE SEE IT SAVING OFFICERS OVER TIME BY GETTING REAL-TIME DATA. HELPING WITH AMBER ALERTS.

LIKELY HAVING FUGITIVE LINKED TO LICENSE PLATES THAT CAN BE PICKED UP. MAKING OUR ENTIRE SAFE ENVIRONMENT THAT WE ALL

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IN SAYING THAT, I THOUGHT ABOUT THIS THIS WEEKEND , AND I WANT TO STAY TO THE PUBLIC HOW I FEEL ABOUT THIS. THIS IS AFTER LISTENING TO ALL THESE QUESTIONS. SO MANY GOOD IDEAS TO DO THIS , WHICH SEEM OVERWHELMING, IT SEEMS, LIKE, IT'S THE WAY THE WORLD IS GOING. I WILL WATCH THE WAY THE WARS ARE FOUGHT NOW. IT'S ALL DONE FROM A DRONE. THEY WATCH PEOPLE, THEY TRACK PEOPLE. THEY DON'T HAVE TO TOUCH PEOPLE.

WHERE DO I FEEL LIKE OUR SOCIETY IS HEADED. THAT'S THE PART THAT SCARES ME. THE OTHER PART THAT SCARES ME IS FROM AN UNDESIRED MOMENTUM THAT MOVES FORWARD IN MORE OF A CONTROLLING MANNER, EVEN WITH OUR OWN -- WITHIN OUR OWN CITY ORDINANCE BASIS, CODE SYSTEMS. ALL OF THAT WORKS IN A FORWARD MOMENTUM THAT USED TO BE UNDER COMPLAINT BASIS ONLY, TO THE WAY WE HANDLE OUR CODE VARIANCES AND PROBLEMS WE INVESTIGATE IN A DIFFERENT MANNER. WHAT CONCERNS ME ABOUT THIS THE MOST, I FEEL WE ARE HEADED TO A POINT OF LIVING IN A STATE , IN THE LATTER PART OF MY LIFETIME, WHICH I JUST HAVE A FEW YEARS LEFT, WE KNOW WE ARE TRACKED BY OUR CELL PHONES.

I HAVE BEEN TOLD THERE ARE ALREADY COMPUTER ALGORITHM SYSTEMS WHICH CAN TIE WHAT WE TOUCH ON FACEBOOK , THE INTERNET, WHAT HAVE YOU . THE CIA ARE LITERALLY, WHATEVER GOVERNMENTAL FEDERAL SYSTEM CAN DECIDE WHAT MAKES US TICK . I BELIEVE THERE'S ONLY ONE THING LEFT OF MAKING A COMPLETE, AND THAT IS TO BE ABLE TO HAVE A LITERAL VIDEO SYSTEM ATTACHED TO THAT . IN ANOTHER 10 TO 20 YEARS, TO WHERE NO MATTER WHAT WE DO, WE ARE LIVING IN REAL-TIME ALL THE TIME FROM THE TIME WE WALK OUT OUR FRONT DOOR. ONCE WE PASS ON TO OUR SIDEWALK, WE WILL BE TRACKED REAL-TIME. NO MATTER WHAT YOU SAID YOU DID, LET'S JUST SHOW YOU THE VIDEO OF WHO YOU ARE, AS WE SAID. I GUESS, WHAT I WOULD SAY IN SAYING ALL THAT, EVERYTHING THAT HAS BEEN MENTIONED MAKE SENSE FROM AN APPLICATION STANDPOINT. AND MONEY-SAVING STANDPOINT.

THERE'S A SIDE OF ME WHICH DESIRES TO NOT BE THE PERSON THAT SAYS YES. THE QUICKEST EXAMPLE, AND I WILL BE DONE. I REMEMBER 10 YEARS AGO, WATCHING IN EUROPE ON TV, THAT LITERALLY PEOPLE WALKING DOWN THE STREET , AS THEY WOULD TURN THE CORNER, THEY HAVE A CAMERA ON EVERY SINGLE THING THEY DID . I THOUGHT, WOW. WOULD YOU LOOK AT THAT? AS I THOUGHT ABOUT THIS OVER THE WEEKEND, I AM CONSIDERING BEING A PART OF THAT, FOR GOOD REASON. BUT I DON'T KNOW I CAN BRING MYSELF TO TAKE THE FIRST STEP IN -- AND DECIDE FOR THE CITIZENS THAT'S THE LIFE I WANT TO LIVE IN MY CITY. I DON'T KNOW I'M GOING TO BE ABLE TO SUPPORT THOSE FOR THESE REASONS. HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH YOU. I JUST WANT TO STAY FOR THE RECORD WHY I VIEW THIS THE WAY I DO. I APPRECIATE YOU BRINGING IT FORWARD. I THINK IT'S A GREAT IDEA.

>> ROSS. >> YEAH, I HAD A COUPLE MORE QUESTIONS. IT TALKS ABOUT THERE'S AN OPTIONAL TRANSPARENCY PORTAL. WHAT DOES THAT PROVIDE AND WHAT TRANSPARENCY DOES THAT A LOT FOR THE RESIDENTS OF THE

COMMUNITY? >> YOU WOULD ASK THE ONE I'M NOT REALLY UP ON. WHAT I GET FROM THE PROVISIONS FLOCK HAS GIVEN TO US, THERE IS ONE, THE REPORTING SYSTEM THAT IS -- IT IDENTIFIES THE NUMBER OF HITS, WHAT CATEGORY THEY ARE IN. AND HOW THEY ARE BEING USED. IT LOOKS LIKE AN INTERFACE THAT COULD BE ACCESS TO AN END -- THE INTERNET. I'M NOT SURE BOTH OF OUR WEBPAGE OR SOMETHING PRODUCED AS A PART OF REPORTS. I HAVEN'T GOTTEN THAT FAR. WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN THAT FAR YET. ALL I'VE GOT IS WHAT YOU'VE GOT, BRIEF DISCUSSION -- DESCRIPTION OF WHAT'S AVAILABLE. IT'S NOT ABUSED.

YOU SEE THAT INTERFACE THERE WHICH CAMERA, THE DETAIL I'VE

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>> YOU SAID , COMMANDER WOULD MOST LIKELY BE THE AUDITOR OF THE SYSTEM, HOW OFTEN DO YOU HAVE PROCEDURES ESTABLISHED , OR HOW OFTEN HE WOULD PERFORM AN AUDIT OF THAT. WHAT TYPES OF RED FLAGS HE WOULD BE LOOKING FOR. IS THERE A TOOL PROVIDED BY THE VENDOR THAT WOULD FLAG WHAT IT DEEMED TO BE INAPPROPRIATE SEARCHES. I ASKED THIS BECAUSE MY YOUNGEST SON , YOU KNOW, IS IN SEVENTH GRADE. HE HAS HIS CELL PHONE. GAP WIRELESS. THERE'S A PARENTAL APP . IT DOESN'T SHOW ME EVERY TEXT MESSAGES HE SENDS OR RECEIVES, BUT IF IT SEES ONE THAT MIGHT CONTAIN INAPPROPRIATE INFORMATION IT ALERTS ME AND FLAGS THAT SO I CAN TAKE A QUICK LOOK TO SEE WHAT'S GOING ON THERE. IF THEY CAN DO THAT FOR 40 BUCKS A MONTH ON MY KIDS CELL PHONE, I WOULD CERTAINLY HOPE THE SYSTEM HAS A SIMILAR FUNCTIONALITY BUILT INTO IT. IT'S A PROACTIVE MONITORING, NOT A REACTIVE MONITORING.

>> CORRECT. >> THE WAY I UNDERSTAND THE SYSTEM WORKS, ALL OF OUR USERS WOULD RECEIVE INFORMATION NOT, IF THERE WAS A HIT, THEY WOULD BE LOGGED INTO A PORTAL, MUCH LIKE WHAT WE ARE LOOKING AT. IT WOULD SHOW THAT CAMERA 20 HAS A HIT FOR A STOLEN VEHICLE. THAT'S ONE ASPECT OF --

>> I'M NOT WORRIED ABOUT THAT. THE SAME TYPE OF LOG. AGAIN, IT HAS A LOG EVERY TIME IT'S ACCESSED. THE PARAMETERS FOR THOSE AUDITS WITHIN THE AGENCIES VISION. THE STATEMENT WAS, THERE ARE NO LAWS . I COULDN'T FIND A LAW THAT HAD AS AN OVERSIGHT OVER THESE THINGS. THERE IS WHAT IS CALLED THIS PRACHT THIS FROM THE TEXAS POLICE CHIEFS, OTHER ORGANIZATIONS THAT PLACED THESE AUDITS. MY ASSUMPTION IS WE WOULD DO AN AUDIT EVERY 30 DAYS TO MAKE SURE THE DATA IS BEING DESTROYED THE WAY IT SHOULD BE. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE FRANKLY WE HAVEN'T USED THE SYSTEM.

>> JUST TO BE CLEAR, I AM LESS CONCERNED ABOUT THE DATA, RIGHT. THERE SO MANY DATABASES IN OUR WORLD , BETWEEN THE AMAZON WEB SERVICE, GOOGLE, NSA, WHOMEVER. THERE'S DATABASES OUT THERE CONTAINING, LIKE YOU SAID, BILLIONS OF DATA POINTS. THE RUBBER MEETS THE ROAD IN THE INTERFACE THAT ALLOWS YOU TO SEARCH, SORT, AND EXTRAPOLATE DATA FROM THOSE DATABASES IN AN ACTIONABLE MANNER. WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT, LET'S SAY, WE HAVE THE WORST-CASE SCENARIO. WE DO HAVE A ROGUE OFFICER WHO GETS CUT OFF WHEN THEY ARE OFF DUTY BY SOMEONE IN A WHITE FOUR-DOOR TOYOTA COROLLA THAT HAS A PEACE, LOVE, HAPPINESS BUMPERS ARE ON IT. THEY GET ON SHIFT, YOU KNOW WHAT, LET ME SEE WHERE THAT GUY IS AT.

>> ODDLY SPECIFIC, ROSS. >> THE NEXT DAY THEY GET A HIT.

THE NEXT DAY THEY CHECK IT AGAIN. THAT THEY CHECK IT AGAIN. THAT IS SOMETHING THE SYSTEM SHOULD AUTOMATICALLY GO, IN A MINUTE, WHY DID THEY JUST SEARCH THIS FIVE DAYS IN A ROW? WHAT'S GOING ON HERE? SOMEONE MAY NEED TO TAKE A LOOK AT WHAT'S GOING ON. THAT'S SOMETHING YOU GET IN A PROACTIVE SAFETY NET ENVIRONMENT THAT YOU DON'T GET IN A REACTIVE ENVIRONMENT WHERE YOU HAVE ONE HUMAN BEING HAVING TO SORT THROUGH A LOT OF DATA POINTS. CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG. YOU PROBABLY HAVE SIMILAR OVERLAYS ON TOP OF THE OVERALL I.T. NETWORK THAT IF SOMETHING IS OCCURRING THAT DOESN'T NORMALLY OCCUR OR IS NOT A PATTERN THAT DICTATE IT COULD BE A BAD ACTOR IT'S GOING TO ALERT YOU. I KNOW THESE FUNCTIONALITIES EXISTENCE OFF OR, JUST DON'T SEE ANYWHERE IN THE MATERIAL HERE . I THINK AUDIT LOGS ARE GREAT, IF YOU REALLY, REALLY -- MAYBE IF YOU ARE A CPA. NO OFFENSE TO ANY IN THE ROOM. WHEN I POUR THROUGH ALL OF THAT DATA TO FIND THE NEEDLE IN THE NEEDLE STACK. FOR THE REST OF US, WE

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QUICK. >> MUCH LIKE THE CALL WE GOT LAST WEEKEND , WE HAVE THE SYSTEM M.I.T. USES. FLAGS, HAS AN ALGORITHM. HAS THE GEO-FENCE AND LOOKS FOR KEYWORDS THAT POP UP ON SOCIAL MEDIA. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT SYSTEM COSTS. I DON'T KNOW IF , GENERALLY SPEAKING -- I KNOW YOU HATE TO HEAR THIS, BUT WE ARE DEALING WITH POLICE OFFICERS THAT GO THROUGH EXTENSIVE BACKGROUND. THERE ARE EXAMPLES OUT THERE YOU COULD PULL FROM EVERY 50 STATE -- 50 OF OUR STATES, WHERE SOMEONE HAS ABUSED THE SYSTEM. AT SOME POINT, I DON'T KNOW THE SYSTEM IS THAT SOPHISTICATED, WHERE, IF SOMEONE REPEATEDLY PUTS IN THE SAME ONE IT'S GOING TO GIVE US THAT AUDIT. I HAVEN'T SEEN THAT IN THE DATA, EITHER. MY YEARS OF SERVICE, WE HAVE DONE FAIRLY WELL IN THE WAY WE DO OUR AUDITS, MAKING SURE , REALLY AND TRULY, WHEN YOU START LOOKING AT THE -- WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO BE USING THIS INFORMATION FOR? THERE'S GOING TO BE AN OUTFLOW OF THAT ENERGY. WE HAVE SOMEONE TARGETING SOMEONE, MY GUESS IS THE TARGET , THEY ARE GOING TO DO SOMETHING THAT WILL BRING ATTENTION TO THEMSELVES. IT'S LIKE THE SELLING OF INFORMATION OFF OF TCI SEE -- TCIC. THERE WILL BE A CRIMINAL EPISODE THAT WILL BRING ATTENTION TO THAT. I DON'T KNOW OUR SYSTEMS ARE DESIGNED THAT WAY. WHEN WE HAVE HAD THE CONVERSATION BEFORE

ABOUT OTHER SYSTEMS. >> REACTIVE CONTROLS.

>> I UNDERSTAND. THAT'S THE WAY LAW ENFORCEMENT AND THE SYSTEMS WE USE, TCIC AND NCIC, IF THE OFFICER IS RUNNING I NAME AND NUMBER ON A REPEATED BASIS, THAT'S GOING TO BE LOGGED. I DON'T KNOW THAT AUSTIN OR THE FBI IS GOING TO GET A NOTICE THEY HAVE RUN IT 10 OR 15 TIMES.

>> HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THE CONCEPT OF THE SYSTEM, RIGHT.

ANY SYSTEM THAT IS ROBUST ENOUGH TO SORT THROUGH 80 MILE-AN-HOUR LICENSE PLATES -- LET'S BE FAIR, IT'S NOT 60 OR 70, IT'S GOING TO BE 80 GOING DOWN 67, SHOULD ALSO HAVE THE ABILITY TO ALERT -- TO WATCH THE WATCHERS, SO TO SPEAK.

IT'S NOT BECAUSE WE ARE SAYING WE HAVE HAD COPS OR WE DON'T TRUST YOU OR ANYBODY ELSE. BUT, I THINK THAT'S THE PIECE FOR ME. TO ME IT'S A DESIGN FLAW IN THE SOFTWARE SYSTEM ITSELF.

THE POWER TO HAVE , AT YOUR FINGERTIPS, THIS WOULD GIVE TO OUR OFFICERS IS AN AMAZING TOOL . WHAT I WANT TO KNOW IS IF WE DO HAPPEN TO HAVE A ROAD -- ROAD OR SOMEONE WHO IS MAYBE THEIR MORAL COMPASS DOESN'T DUE NORTH AND IT HASN'T BEEN IDENTIFIED YET, THAT YOU OR COMMANDER HARP OR SOMEONE GETTING ALERTED, HEY, WE ARE SNIFFING OUT WHAT MAY BE INAPPROPRIATE ACTIVITY, JUST LIKE IF THE CARS GO BY, HEY, WE ARE SNIFFING OUT SOMETHING THAT MAY BE A FELON. IT SHOULD GO

BOTH WAYS. >> STILL, IT'S A COMPARATIVE DATABASE. I DON'T THINK THE ALGORITHM -- THERE'S NOT AN ALGORITHM LOOKING AT THE INVESTIGATIVE SIDE. MAYBE IT'S BURIED IN THE DATA AND WE HAVEN'T FOUND IT. I DO KNOW -- AGAIN, YOU ARE LOOKING AT THE WAY THEY DESIGNED IT TO PROTECT YOUR INFORMATION. IT IS A VERY INTENTIONAL EFFORT TO GET INTO THE SYSTEM, PAULA LICENSE PLATE NUMBER AND DIG INTO THAT INFORMATION. NOW YOU ARE VIOLATING MULTIPLE FEDERAL LAWS TO GET LICENSE PLATE INFORMATION OFF THE FEDERAL AND STATE DATABASE. THESE ARE FELONY GREAT OFFENSES. THIS IS NOT SOMETHING -- IF IT IS OCCURRING, AND IS NOT, THEN THE NEEDS CENTER CAN LOSE ITS LICENSE TO OPERATE. THERE ARE VERY HIGH STAKES THERE. THAT'S WHY IT'S DESIGN. THAT'S WHY DPS COMES IN AND DOES THEIR AUDITS. THAT'S WHY WE DO THE LOGS. AS I SAID, YOU KNOW, I WISH I COULD TELL YOU ALL OF LAW ENFORCEMENT HAD THAT HIGH-SPEED, JUST LIKE YOUR CELL PHONE. THEY ARE NOT SPENDING $1 BILLION ON MAKING THESE SYSTEMS. NOT EVERYTHING I HAVE SEEN. WE ARE NOT SPENDING $1

BILLION ON ITS. >> ALL RIGHT, LET'S TRY TO WRAP THIS UP I WILL TRY TO ADD COMMENTS BEFORE ANYONE MAKES IT A MOTION. I DID FORGET TO MENTION ONE THING. ALLEN.

>> I DON'T HAVE ANY MORE QUESTIONS FOR CHIEF, BUT I DO HAVE THREE PRIMARY CONCERNS AROUND THIS. I WANT TO SHARE WITH THE COUNCIL . JUST IN THE PUBLIC SETTING. FIRST OF ALL, I HAVE NO DOUBT , AT ALL, THAT THE SYSTEM WILL BE EFFECTIVE

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DOES TAKE TIME , IN FAIRNESS, TO IDENTIFY THAT. NONE OF US SEE EVERYTHING . NONE OF US ARE OMNIPOTENT. IT TAKES TIME TO FIND THAT. I HAVE TWO DAUGHTERS. ONE OF WHICH, IN TWO YEARS, WILL BE GETTING HER LICENSE. IT'S KIND OF CRAZY TO SAY. WHEN SHE IS OUT AND ABOUT IN TOWN, I HAVE CONCERNS THAT , YOU KNOW, IF SOMEONE DID GO OFF THE RAILS, THEY DECIDED, HEY, I WANT TO FIND OUT WHERE SHE GOES EVERY DAY. I WANT TO RUN INTO HER. YOU KNOW, PURSUE HER . WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE, THE FACT THAT INFORMATION COULD BE , IN THE WORST ALTAR UNIVERSE , COULD BE UTILIZED FOR A DESTRUCTIVE BEHAVIOR . ME HAVING DAUGHTERS, THAT CONCERNS ME. THE LAST THING I WILL SHARE IS, WE TALK A LOT ABOUT THE SMALL TOWN FEEL OF OUR COMMUNITY, AND PRESERVING THAT. NOT WANTING TO BE SOME OF THESE MORE METROPOLITAN AREAS. I THINK IN THESE MAJOR METROPOLITAN AREAS, IT MAKES A LOT OF SENSE. THERE'S A LOT OF CRIME, THERE'S A LOT OF CHALLENGES THAT THESE DEPARTMENTS ARE FACED WITH EVERY DAY. NOT THE HOURS ARE NOT. OBVIOUSLY IT HAD A MUCH GREATER SCALE. THESE METROPOLITAN AREAS, EVEN THE CITIES MENTIONED . I THINK ABOUT MANNSVILLE, THINK ABOUT CEDAR HILL, I DON'T THINK ABOUT THOSE CITIES AS MIDLOTHIAN. I SEE MIDLOTHIAN AS SOMETHING WE NEED TO PRESERVE THAT SMALL TOWN FEEL WITHIN. I FEEL PUTTING UP CAMERAS, EVEN WITH THE BEST OF INTENTIONS DOES NOT ALLOW US TO PRESERVE THAT FIELD. I'VE GOT ONE

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FORWARD. THANK YOU. >> FINAL COMMENTS?

>> I JUST DISAGREE WITH A LOT OF COMMENTS BEING MADE. THIS IS NOT ONE PARTICULAR PERSON. I THINK THE DAY AND IT WAS ACCEPTED TO HAVE A SMART PHONE THERE IS FAR MORE GOING ON THAN THIS DINKY LICENSE PLATE READING SYSTEM. THE IDEA IT'S GOING TO ENCROACH INTO OUR LIVES IS NOTHING COMPARED TO WHAT THE SMART PHONES ARE DOING IN OUR HANDS. IT'S NOTHING MORE THAN US DRIVING ON TOLL ROADS. EVERY ONE OF US , WHETHER WE SAY WE WANT OUR FREEDOM IN THIS OR NOT, I CAN ALMOST GUARANTEE YOU NONE OF US ARE AVOIDING TOLLS OR SMART PHONES. I ALSO HAVE KIDS . THE IDEA THAT MY CHILD COULD BE ABDUCTED AND THAT I WAS PART OF NOT HAVING A SYSTEM LIKE THIS, BECAUSE IT PERSONALLY TOOK SOME SORT OF FREEDOM OF -- AWAY AND I WASN'T GOING TO COLLABORATE WITH OUR SURROUNDING ENTITIES BECAUSE OF WHATEVER REASON. I WOULD FEEL BAD ABOUT THAT. I HAVE ANYTHING DIED. I AM AS I DON'T CARE IF SOMEONE KNOWS I AM DRIVING INTO A PARKING LOT SOMEWHERE. YOU CAN SEARCH MY COMPUTER TO --, YOU CAN SEARCH MY CAR. I'M NOT DOING ANYTHING WRONG. I THINK THIS IS A FANTASTIC SYSTEM. I WOULD LOVE TO MAKE THE POLICE DEPARTMENTS JOBS EASIER , EVEN THOUGH THAT IS SOMETHING THAT IS READ WE ARE NOT HERE TO MAKE THEIR JOB EASIER. I WOULD LOVE TO MAKE THEIR JOB EASIER. I THINK SAFETY IN OUR TOWN IS NUMBER ONE. IF WE CAN COLLABORATE WITH THE MANY, MANY, MANY ORGANIZATIONS AND ENTITIES AROUND US DOING THE EXACT SAME THING AROUND US I WOULD BE

PROUD TO BE A PART OF THAT. >> MAY I HAD ONE PIECE OF INFORMATION? ONE OF THE REASONS WE BROUGHT THIS TO YOUR WAS , I THINK, THE OPERATIONAL RESPONSIBILITIES I HAVE IS TO KEEP AN EYE ON THE CRIMINAL ACTIVITY IN OUR COMMUNITY. I'VE BEEN HERE FOR -- I LIVED ON MOUNT PEAK SINCE 1995 WHEN THERE WAS BARELY A CAR THAT WOULD COME DOWN 875. YOU COULD LAY ON THE ROADWAY FOR AN HOUR OR TWO AND NOT WORRY ABOUT WHAT HAPPENS. I LIVED THROUGH A MODEL WHERE WE WENT THROUGH 19,000 TO NEARLY 60,000. WE WENT FROM 32 OFFICERS TO NEARLY 85 OFFICERS. SIMILAR SITUATIONS. WHAT I HAVE SEEN IS, THE GROWTH OF OUR COMMUNITY EXPONENTIALLY AFFECTED BY THE HIGHWAYS , NOT ONLY -- WE CAN TALK ABOUT OLD TOWN. TODAY I WAS IN KIM AND JENNY'S. HAVING LUNCH WITH MY COUSIN. WHO HAS LIVED HERE SINCE HIS BIRTH. MY FATHER-IN-LAW WALKS IN AND HAVE LUNCH WITH US. I LOVE SMALL TOWN , BUT I AM GOING TO TRY TO

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PROJECTED TO HAVE 633 THIS YEAR WITH A TOTAL LOSS OF NEARLY $4 MILLION. WE ARE NOT WINNING THIS BATTLE. WE HAVE LOST . WE ARE IN ROUTE TO DOUBLE OUR VEHICLE THEFTS. BURGLAR VEHICLES ARE ONE AND A HALF TIMES WHAT THEY WERE IN 2003.

OUR AGGRAVATED ROBBERIES ARE INCHING UP, AS WELL. PEOPLE COMING AGAINST OTHER PEOPLE WITH WEAPONS, MUCH LIKE THEY DID DOWN AT THE CHASE BANK WHERE WE LOST $300,000 TO THREE PISTOL CARRYING YOUNG MEN, WHO DROVE RIGHT BY THE POLICE DEPARTMENT ON THEIR WAY NORTH. WE HAVE NO IDEA WHAT THE LICENSE PLATE ON THE VEHICLE WAS. THE REASON WHY WE ARE HERE IS BECAUSE THAT KIND OF ACTIVITY CAN BE EFFECTIVELY INVESTIGATED AND SOLVED USING THIS TECHNOLOGY. MY -- I LOVE MY FREEDOM JUST AS ANYONE ELSE DOES. I AM A PRIVATE PERSON.

FENCES AROUND MY PROPERTY FOR A REASON. MY WIFE AND I WERE VICTIMS OF CRIME WHEN MY SON WAS TWO. HE LIVES WITH THAT TODAY. I UNDERSTAND VERY INTIMATELY WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT. I JUST WANT COUNCIL TO KNOW THAT WE WILL DO OUR BEST TO PROTECT THE FREEDOMS OF THIS COMMUNITY , BUT THIS IS A TOOL THAT WILL EXPONENTIALLY MAKE OUR INVESTIGATIVE STAFF MORE

EFFECTIVE . >> THANK YOU, CHIEF.

>> I WILL MAKE A QUICK COMMENT THEN WE WILL PUSH THIS TO A VOTE. I WOULD SAY I UNDERSTAND THE CONTROVERSIAL NATURE OF THIS. I UNDERSTAND ALL OF -- I VALUE ALL THE COMMENTS THAT WERE MADE. ALL OF US -- I BELIEVE ALL OF US RAN ON THE IDEA OF MAKING OUR COMMUNITY AS SAFE AS WE CAN POSSIBLY MAKE IT. WE HAVE THE CHIEF OF POLICE IN A DEPARTMENT UNDER SCRUTINY IN THE PAST FOR NOT BEING ABLE TO SOLVE PARTICULARLY HIGH-PROFILE CRIMES. WITH SOFTWARE SUCH AS THIS, OF THIS NATURE, MY HAVE AIDED IN SUPPORTING THAT. ALTHOUGH I DO NOT WANT TO WRITE UP LINK CHECK FOR IT, I WANT TO BE ABLE TO LAY MY HEAD ON THE PILLOW AT NIGHT KNOWING I COULD DO EVERYTHING I COULD DO TO EQUIP OUR COMMUNITY TO BE A SAFE AS IT POSSIBLY CAN. I KNOW MY -- I MIGHT BE A MINORITY ON THAT PARTICULAR,, BUT I KNOW THERE'S VALUE IN FULLY EQUIPPING OUR DEPARTMENT, SPECIFICALLY OUR CHIEF, WHEN THEY ARE REQUESTING CERTAIN TOOLS. WITH THAT, ROSS, I DO SEE YOUR LIGHT ON, BUT I WANT TO GET TO A MOTION RELATIVELY

QUICKLY. MAKE A MOTION. >> INCORPORATING COMMENTS AND FEEDBACK, MY BIG CONCERN IS ACCOUNTABILITY. WHO'S WATCHING THE WATCHERS. I LIKE THE RECOMMENDATION OF HAVING A SMALL SUBCOMMITTEE COUNCIL THAT PARTICIPATES IN THE AUDIT PROCESS, AT LEAST UNTIL WE CAN DETERMINE IF THERE'S MORE AUTOMATED VERSION THAT WOULD, YOU KNOW, FLAG INAPPROPRIATE USE OF THE SYSTEM. I AGREE WITH COUNCILWOMAN THAT THE EXPECTATION OF PRIVACY IN THE PUBLIC SPHERE DIED WHEN -- EVERYONE HAS A CAMERA, EVERYONE HAS A LISTENING DEVICE IN THEIR HAND. YOU CANNOT WALK ANYWHERE IN THE WORLD WITHOUT EXPECTATIONS THAT ANYONE IS VIDEOING YOU AT ANY POINT IN

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NOT DETRIMENTAL. >> MOTION TO APPROVE WITH THE

CAVEAT OF THE SUBCOMMITTEE. >>

>> YES, I WILL BRING THAT BEFORE THE COUNCIL FOR DISCUSSION. I BELIEVE I HAS THE ABILITY TO ASSIGN A SUBCOMMITTEE. THE MOTION IS TO APPROVE WITH THE SUBCOMMITTEE FROM COUNCILMEMBER WEAVER. SECONDED BY COUNCILMEMBER HAMMONDS. PLEASE VOTE. THAT ITEM PASSES 4-2.

>> APPRECIATE YOU. I AM HERE FOUR MINUTES.

>> OPENING ITEM 2024-321. CONSIDER AND ACT UPON A RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING THE MIDLOTHIAN POLICE DEPARTMENT TO APPLY FOR A GENERAL VICTIM ASSISTANCE GRANT PROGRAM, VICTIMS OF CRIME ACT GRANT FROM THE STATE OF TEXAS OFFICE OF THE GOVERNOR, PUBLIC SAFETY OFFICE AND AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO ACCEPT, REJECT, ALTER OR TERMINATE THE GRANT.

CHIEF. >> MAYOR, COUNCIL, THIS IS ALSO

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>> OKAY, TAMMY , IS ANYONE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK ? ANY QUESTIONS ON THIS? HEARING NONE, I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION. MOTION TO APPROVE BY COUNCILMEMBER HAMMONDS.

SECONDED BY COUNCILMEMBER RODGERS. PLEASE VOTE. ITEM PASSES, 5-0. WITH THE RECORD SHOW COUNCILMEMBER WEAVER STEPPED OUT. MOVING ON 322. CONSIDER AND ACT UPON A RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING THE MIDLOTHIAN POLICE DEPARTMENT TO APPLY FOR A CRIMINAL JUSTICE GRANT, JAG GRANT FROM THE STATE OF TEXAS OFFICE OF THE GOVERNOR, PUBLIC SAFETY OFFICE AND AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO ACCEPT, REJECT, ALTER OR TERMINATE THE GRANT. SIX

>> WE HAVE TO HAVE COUNCIL'S PERMISSION THROUGH THE RESOLUTION TO APPLY FOR THE RENT. WE SUCCESSFULLY FILL THIS POSITION WITH CORPORAL ROBERT NEWBERRY, WHO, I CAN TELL YOU HE WAS MADE FOR THIS POSITION. HE HAS A GRANDFATHERLY PERSPECTIVE. -- KIDS, GRANDKIDS. HOW IN OUR COMMUNITY WORKING WITH OUR MENTAL HEALTH CONSUMERS AND OTHER VICTIMS OF CRIME, ALONG WITH JAMIE SINGLETON AND STAFF. THIS IS ANOTHER ONE WE REALLY GET A LOT OF MILEAGE FOR THIS INVESTMENT.

THEY ARE DOING GREAT WORK. ONE OF THE OTHER SIDE BENEFITS IS,

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TIME SAVINGS. A LOT OF TIMES THIS IS SOMETHING THAT KEEPS US ABOVE MINIMUM STAFFING. GREAT PROGRAM . WE ARE, AGAIN, ONE OF THE FEW IN ELLIS COUNTY THAT HAS THIS. IT IS VERY MUCH A VERY EFFECTIVE PROGRAM FOR OUR COMMUNITY.

>> THANKS, CHIEF. ANYONE TO SPEAK ON THIS? QUESTIONS ON THIS ONE? I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION. MOTION TO APPROVE BY COUNCILMEMBER HAMMONDS. THESE VOTE. ITEM PASSES, 6-0.

2024-323. CONSIDER AND ACT UPON AN INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE MIDLOTHIAN INDEPENDENT SCHOOL DISTRICT AND THE CITY OF MIDLOTHIAN, TEXAS FOR THE ASSIGNMENT OF ONE POLICE COMMANDER, ONE POLICE SERGEANT AND SIXTEEN POLICE OFFICERS TO

>> COUNCIL, THIS IS OUR ANNUAL CONTRACT WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT . WE ARE LITTLE BIT LATE THIS YEAR. THEY'VE ALREADY STARTED. WE HAVE 13 ACTIVE. WE ARE IN THE PROCESS OF HIRING THE NEXT TWO OR THREE TO FILL OUT THE 16 OFFICERS THAT ARE AUTHORIZED FOR THIS CONTRACT. HAS BEEN AUTHORIZED THIS YEAR. THE DISTRICT HAS AGREED, AS YOU KNOW, WE ARE MOVING TOWARD 70% OF THE CONTRACT COSTS. THIS YEAR 60% OF THE COST WITH 13 OFFICERS. THE SERGEANT IN THE PROGRAM ITSELF, A LOT OF THE VEHICLES ASSOCIATED WITH EQUIPMENT AND TRAINING. THIS IS AN EXCELLENT PARTNERSHIP . OUR COMMAND LEVEL OFFICER THAT ALSO DOUBLES AS SAFETY SECURITY DIRECTOR IS A PHENOMENAL RELATIONSHIP WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT . WE VALUE THAT YOU MENTALLY. I CAN TELL YOU IT IS SOMETHING THE REST OF TEXAS MODELS AFTER. MOVE IN THAT DIRECTION. AT SUCH AN EFFECTIVE PROGRAM. AGAIN, KEY RESOURCE. OUR KIDS AND THE TEACHERS WHO TEACH THEM, AND THE STAFF ON THESE CAMPUSES ARE

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>> THANK YOU, CHIEF. >> DO YOU KNOW WHEN WE WILL BE

AT THAT? >> NEXT YEAR.

>> THE COMMANDER IS 100% ? I ASSUME THE OFFICERS THAT FUNCTION DURING THE SCHOOL YEAR, THE 70% NUMBER IS BASED ON THE FACT THAT WHEN SCHOOL IS NOT IN SESSION, THEY ARE DOING

GENERAL POLICE DUTIES? >> YES, DURING THAT TIMEFRAME WE BRING THEM BACK. ONE OF THE BIGGEST PROGRAMS IN THE SUMMER IS THE JUNIOR POLICE ACADEMY. WE SPENT ABOUT SIX WEEKS OVER THE SUMMER. ANOTHER OUTREACH TO OUR KIDS. THIS YEAR I CANNOT WAIT UNTIL WE COME BACK. I WASN'T PREPARED FOR THE THIS TIME. THEY HAD A NERF SHOWDOWN. I JUST COULDN'T GET THERE. A LOT OF FUN WITH THESE GUYS AND GALS. AWARD-WINNING UNIT. THE REST OF WHAT WE DO IS MANDATORY HOURS, VACATION, AND COME BACK

READY TO GO IN AUGUST. >> ESSENTIALLY WE ARE MAINTAINING 30% OF THE COSTS BECAUSE 30% OF THE TIME THEY ARE WORKING FOR THE CITY OF MIDLOTHIAN AND NOW FOR THE

SCHOOL DISTRICT SIX >> I WILL TELL YOU , THAT IS A VERY DIFFICULT NUMBER TO PULL TOGETHER. IT SOUNDS GREAT. WHAT THEY ARE SAVING US DURING THE WEEK , DURING THE SCHOOL YEAR, BY NOT HAVING AN OFFICER RESPOND TO TAKE A REPORT OR DEAL WITH THE DISTURBANCE, NOT BE PRESENT. THIS IS AN EXCELLENT PARTNERSHIP AT THIS RATE.

>> THANK YOU. >> MIKE.

>> I WANT TO CONFIRM FOR THE FOLKS, WE HAVE DOTTED AROUND OF -- A LOT OF PERCENTAGES. LAST YEAR, THE CITY DID A GOOD JOB OF KICKING THIS PROGRAM OFF US FAR AS FUNDING. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE, BECAUSE I GET THIS ASKED PERIODICALLY, THE FUNDING MECHANISM, THE SHARED FUNDING COST, IT IS AT THIS POINT

BALANCED OUT, OR -- >> NEXT YEAR THEY WILL COME INTO -- THIS YEAR WE ARE PAYING -- THE CITY IS ACTUALLY PAYING FOR THREE UNTIL THE 25-2026 CLEAR WHEN THEY PICK UP ALL 16

OFFICERS AT THE 70%. >> I KNEW THAT'S WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT WITH THE 70%. THANK YOU.

>> THE ONLY QUESTION I HAD ON THIS, IS THERE A STUDENT POPULATION THRESHOLD THAT WOULD KICK IS UP TO 24 HOUR MEDICAL

-- MIDDLE SCHOOL CAMPUSES? >> THERE'S GOING TO BE ONE OF THOSE THINGS WE CALL BEST PRACTICE. I DON'T KNOW WE HAVE . I WOULD TELL YOU THAT ON THE SENIOR CAMPUSES, WITH A POPULATION OF 1700 -- 1000, 700 TO 1000 HITS, THERE'S NO

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WHAT THE SCHOOL DISTRICT WOULD BE COMFORTABLE WITH. DEALING WITH. AGAIN, PART OF WHAT THE OFFICER DOES ON A DAILY BASIS IS DEAL WITH CRIMINAL ACTIVITY, TAKING REPORTS. IF HE AND SHE IS SPENDING TIME DOING THAT, WE DON'T HAVE SOMEONE FREE TO PROVIDE THE SECURITY SIDE OF THAT. I THINK THAT'S WHEN WE WOULD START LOOKING AT ADDING A SECOND OFFICER.

>> TAKE A MOTION. >> MOTION TO APPROVE BY COUNCILMAN SHUFFIELD, SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN WEAVER. WHAT IS

YOUR VOTE? 6-0. >> THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU, CHIEF. YOU WANT TO COME UP? 2024-324.

MIDLOTHIAN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PRESENTATION ON MIDLOTHIAN SMALL BUSINESS TRAINING OPPORTUNITIES FOR THE 2024-2025

FISCAL YEAR. >> GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL, THIS ITEM IS FOR INFORMATIONAL AND PROMOTIONAL PURPOSES. ACTUALLY CAME OUT OF OUR BOARD MEETING WE HAD IN OUR MOST PREVIOUS, MOST RECENT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT BOARD MEETING. FOR THE LAST 10 YEARS, MIDLOTHIAN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT IN THE CHAMBER HAS -- PROGRAMMING FOR OUR ENTREPRENEURS AND SMALL BUSINESSES. THE CHAMBER HAS TAKEN THIS ON EVEN BEFORE THAT TIME. AS WE WENT THROUGH OUR RECORDS, THAT IS WHAT WE CAME UP WITH, WHERE WE HAD FORMALIZED PROGRAMMING WITH THEM. THE DIFFERENT TRAINING AND PROGRAMS HAVE BEEN PUT TOGETHER REALLY -- ONE OF THE KEY CHAMPIONS AT THE PROGRAMS

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IN ADDITION TO THEM, THERE'S ALSO NAVARRO COLLEGE THAT OPERATES THROUGH NAVARRO COLLEGE AS WELL AS ECONOMIC BOARD AND SUBCOMMITTEES WE HAD THROUGH THERE. HIGHLIGHT SOME OF THE PROGRAMS AS WE MOVE INTO THE UPCOMING YEAR, AND SOME OF THE OUTLINE THAT WAS INCLUDED AS PART OF THE BUDGET PROCESS.

IN PART, BECAUSE THERE ARE OPPORTUNITIES AVAILABLE IN COMING UPON US AS QUICKLY AS SEPTEMBER 5TH. AS EACH OF YOU ARE OUT AND ABOUT IN THE COMMUNITY AND YOU HAVE DIFFERENT INTERACTION, OUR HOPE AND INTENTION IS THAT WE CAN EXPAND THE CIRCLE OF PEOPLE THAT KNOW ABOUT THESE PROGRAMS, THE RESOURCES THAT ARE AVAILABLE TO THE COMMUNITY, AND OPPORTUNITIES REALLY THAT GO THROUGHOUT THE 12 MONTH CALENDAR FOR OUR LOCAL BUSINESSES. THESE DO, ABOUT IN PART BECAUSE OF OUR COMMUNITY AND OUR SUPPORT THAT WE PROVIDE FOR THEM. EACH YEAR WE TRY TO ADJUST THE PROGRAMS AND WORK WITH THE CHAMBER AND THEIR EDUCATION COMMITTEE AS WE PUT TOGETHER AND FINE TUNE THESE PROGRAMS EACH YEAR. FIRST PROGRAM THEY HAVE IS BUSINESS BEFORE BREAKFAST . THIS WILL BE A FREE EVENT AVAILABLE FOR EVERYBODY. SORRY, BUSINESS BEFORE BUSINESS. I SAID BUSINESS BEFORE BREAKFAST.

BUSINESS BEFORE BUSINESS IS THE CORRECT NAME. THIS IS A FREE EVENT FOR EVERYONE WHO REGISTERS. IN PART BECAUSE THERE'S BREAKFAST THAT IS PROVIDED . THE CHAMBER AND THE WORKFORCE COMMITTEE HAS IDENTIFIED AND THEY WILL CONTINUE TO PULL THE COMMUNITY FOR THOSE TOPICS THAT ARE MOST TIMELY AND CAN HELP THE BUSINESSES AS THEY ARE WORKING TOGETHER TO GROW AND EXPAND AND SURVIVE AND GROW . THE SECOND ONE IS THE BUSINESS ACADEMY. IN THE CURRENT YEAR, WE TOOK A SIGNIFICANT STEP UP. FOR THE FIRST TIME WE PAID A TRAINER FOR THAT PROGRAM. THE CHAMBER AND EDUCATION COMMITTEE, THEY ARE STILL WORKING ON WHAT THAT WILL LOOK LIKE NEXT YEAR. THE THING THEY ARE COMMITTED TO IS THEY WILL CONTINUE THE PROGRAM AND DO IT MORE FREQUENTLY. RIGHT NOW IT IS QUARTERLY. THEY WILL DO A MORE CONSISTENTLY. THOSE DETAILS WILL COME FORWARD. THAT WILL KICKOFF, AS PLANNED, FEBRUARY THROUGH NOVEMBER. AND AGAIN, BRING IN SOMEBODY WHO IS TRAINED AND PREPARED TO HELP OUR BUSINESSES GROW AND EXPAND AND GIVE THEM PROFESSIONAL TRAINING. THE THIRD ONE , THIRD PROGRAM AND A NEW ONE, WE ARE DOING IN PART -- THERE'S BEEN A DISCONNECT IN HELPING OUR COMMUNITY KNOW THEY ALSO HAVE ACCESS TO THE INCENTIVE PROGRAMS THAT ARE MOST OFTEN SEEN IN OUR LARGEST BUSINESSES. WE HAVE PUT TOGETHER A PROGRAM TO HELP OUR SMALL BUSINESSES TO LEARN ABOUT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT INCENTIVE PROGRAMS AVAILABLE WITHIN OUR COMMUNITY. ULTIMATELY IT HELPS TO GROW AND EXPAND OUR BUSINESSES AND BE ABLE TO HAVE ACCESS TO THESE TOOLS TO EXPAND AND GROW IN MIDLOTHIAN. THAT PROGRAM WILL BE AVAILABLE FOR THOSE COMPANIES AND RESIDENT

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ULTIMATELY, IN ENDING THIS, THE CHAMBER AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT IN THE CITY, WE HAVE PARTNERED FOR A LONG TIME, OUR ASK IS OF YOU AND COUNCIL, AND ANYONE WATCHING ONLINE, IN THE COMMUNITY WE HAVE TOOLS, RESOURCES AND PROGRAMS, THE MORE PEOPLE CAN KNOW ABOUT THEM, THE MORE LIKELY THEY ARE TO CONTINUE TO GROW IN MIDLOTHIAN. THAT IS OUR INTENTION WITH THIS ITEM. ANY QUESTIONS THAT THE COUNCIL HAS?

>> NO QUESTIONS. COMMENTS. IT'S A GREAT PARTNERSHIP. THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CARRIES FORWARD WITH THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE. WE APPRECIATE WHAT THE CHAMBER DOES FOR THE COMMUNITY. THANK YOU . OPENING ITEM 2024-325. CONSIDER AND ACT UPON A RECOMMENDATION FROM MIDLOTHIAN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT TO APPROVE THE PROGRAM AND EXPENDITURES OUTLINED IN THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PERFORMANCE AGREEMENT WITH LAWSON 7TH, LLC NOT TO EXCEED $30,234.00.

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>> MIDLOTHIAN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, WE HAVE SIX DIFFERENT PRIORITIES THAT WE CHANNEL OUR EFFORTS AND RESOURCES TO PROGRAMS TO HELP GROW IN WAYS THAT OUR COMMUNITY HAS RESPONDED ARE IMPORTANT TO THEM. THE PROJECT WE ARE BRINGING FORWARD TODAY HAS TO DO WITH OUR PRIORITY NUMBER THREE, DEALING WITH DOWNTOWN, SPECIFICALLY TAKING ON THOSE CATALYST PROJECTS IDENTIFIED IN THE CITY'S DOWNTOWN MASTER PLAN. THIS IS AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PERFORMANCE AGREEMENT WITH LAWSON 7TH, LLC , ASSOCIATED WITH THE PURCHASE AND 2021. ULTIMATELY, THE PROJECT CONTEMPLATED AT THAT TIME, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PERFORMANCE AGREEMENT PROVIDES FOR A FUNDING MECHANISM FOR THE IMPACT FEES. FOR THE WATER, WASTEWATER IMPACT FEES. TOTALING JUST OVER $30,000 . IN PART, AS THEY ADDED ADDITIONAL CONNECTIONS AND EXPANDED THOSE, THERE'S BEEN AN ADDITIONAL CHARGE . ULTIMATELY, LAWSON 7TH, LLC HAS THE ABILITY TO RECEIVE THESE FUNDS BY THEIR PERFORMANCE AS OUTLINED IN THE AGREEMENT. WITH THAT, ANY

QUESTIONS THAT ANYBODY HAS? >> THIS AGREEMENT IS ALREADY IN PLACE , WHY IS IT BEING BROUGHT TO US? AND WITH THE AMOUNT.

DOESN'T THE BOARD HAVE A THRESHOLD OF 50,000 THAT DOES NOT HAVE TO BE BROUGHT TO COUNCIL? CAN YOU CLARIFY?

>> SURE. THIS IS A NEW AGREEMENT. THIS AGREEMENT AND INCENTIVE WAS CONTEMPLATED AT THE TIME OF THE SALE. THIS WILL BE A NEW AGREEMENT. AS FAR AS THE DOLLAR AMOUNT, CITY COUNCIL HAS THE REQUIREMENT TO APPROVE ALL PROGRAMS AND EXPENDITURES.

IRREGARDLESS OF THE AMOUNT, THIS IS A NEW PROGRAM AND EXPENDITURE THAT IS OUTLINED IN THE PERFORMANCE AGREEMENT.

THAT'S WHY WE BRING IT FORWARD TO THE COUNCIL.

>> COUNCIL, ANY QUESTIONS? >> YOU SAID THIS WAS CONTEMPLATED INITIALLY . IN WHAT RESPECT AND WHY WAS IT NOT

-- INITIALLY? >> I'M GOING TO HAVE CLYDE, IN PART, ASSIST WITH THIS. IN PART, THE PROCESS THAT WENT TO PURCHASE AND TURN AROUND AND SELLING THE ASSET AND PUTTING IT BACK INTO ACTIVITY , THERE WAS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THE PURCHASING PARTY TO REQUEST AND ASK FOR DIFFERENT INCENTIVES.

IN PART, AT THAT TIME, IT WAS REQUESTED THEY WOULD RECEIVE A WAIVER OF THE IMPACT FEES . IMPACT FEES CANNOT BE WAYS. -- WAIVED. IN PART YOU HAVE TO USE OTHER TOOLS THAT ARE ABLE TO BE USED. TYPE A ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CORPORATIONS HAVE THE ABILITY TO FUND INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENTS, INCLUDING IMPACT FEES FOR PROJECTS IN ENTERING INTO ECONOMIC PERFORMANCE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT. IN PART, AS OUR BOARD WENT THROUGH, AND CONTEMPLATED THIS PROJECT, THEY WERE ABLE TO REVIEW THE PROCESS AS THEY WENT THROUGH IN SELLING OF THE ASSETS. ULTIMATELY FORMALIZING THE AGREEMENT WE HAVE TODAY. ANYTHING YOU WOULD LIKE TO ADD?

>> I THINK YOU NAILED IT. THE PROPOSAL WAS BROUGHT FORWARD TO THE CITY THEY REQUESTED WAIVING THE FEES, IMPACT FEES AND PERMIT FEES. WE WERE ABLE TO WAIVE -- WE ARE NOT LEGALLY ALLOWED TO AWAY -- TO WAIVE IMPACT FEES.

>> THESE ARE IMPROVED BY PREVIOUS BOARD . BUT THE METHOD IN WHICH IT WAS ENACTED WAS NOT ABLE TO BE UTILIZED.

>> IN PART, IT WAS CONSIDERED BY A PREVIOUS ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT BOARD. WE HAD TO BRING IT BACK FORWARD WITH ALL OF THE ITEMS . ULTIMATELY THIS PROJECT WENT TO ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT BOARD AT OUR LAST MEETING. THEY ALL HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW ALL OF THE FACTS. ULTIMATELY, THE FINDING THAT THE BOARD USES TO MAKE THAT DETERMINATION IS THEY SEE THE INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENTS THAT ARE CONTEMPLATED. THEY WILL GENERATE NEW BUSINESS ACTIVITY . THAT FINDING WAS MADE, AND ULTIMATELY, WE ARE ASKING TO FORMALIZE THAT WITH COUNCILS APPROVAL OF THE PROGRAM AND EXPENDITURE AS MR. MOORMAN HAS OUTLINED.

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>> READING TO THE AGREEMENT IT OCCURRED TO ME THAT THIS IS PREDICATED ON THEM OBTAINING -- AND THE FACILITY OPEN AND OPERATING. C, HAVING MADE THEIR CAPITOL INVESTMENT. AND D THE

FULL-TIME EMPLOYEES. >> CORRECT. ALL OF OUR AGREEMENTS THAT WE PUT IN PLACE, IN PART STATE LAW REQUIRES A -- THE AGREEMENT WAS PUT TOGETHER AND STRUCTURED IN SUCH A WAY THAT FUNDS , ULTIMATELY WOULD BE GIVEN AT

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>> THANKS. >> IMPACTED TO THE CITY, OR

REIMBURSEMENT ? >> CORRECT. THEY WILL FLOW

DIRECTLY TO THE CITY. >>

>> WE WILL SIMPLIFY THE TRANSFER OF MONEY.

>> OKAY. WITH THAT, I WILL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE AS

PRESENTED. WE HAVE A SECOND? >> SECONDED.

>> MOTION BY MYSELF, SOUNDED -- SECONDED BY COUNCILMEMBER MOORMAN. MOTION PASSES 5-0. THANK YOU, KYLE. AT THIS POINT THAT CITY COUNCIL WILL CONVENE INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION . ITEMS ARE DISCUSSED IN CLOSED SECTION IN THE SECESSION BUT ANY AND ALL ACTION TAKEN

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