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          25TH 2025. I CALL THIS MEETING TO ORDER. WE ARE GOING TO BEGIN TONIGHT WITH INVOCATION AND PLEDGES LED BY COUNCILMAN MOORMAN. IF YOU WOULD, PLEASE BOW. 
          >>I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. 
          HONOR THE TEXAS FLAG. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THEE, TEXAS, ONE STATE UNDER GOD, ONE AND INDIVISIBLE. 
          >> THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN MOORMAN. WE ARE GOING TO BEGIN 
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WITH 2025 084, ANNOUNCEMENTS AND PRESENTATIONS. COUNCIL, WE ARE GOING TO TAKE THESE IN REVERSE ORDER, WE WILL GO FROM C TO B AND THEN A. WE WILL BEGIN WITH THE QUARTERLY REPORT. 
          AND IF WE COULD, KIND OF GO AROUND THE DAIS LEFT TO RIGHT. 
          ALLEN, IF YOU WANT TO START US OFF AS THE LIAISON TO THE PARKS BOARD. CAN YOU GIVE ANY UPDATES TO THE PARKS BOARD? 
          >> I HAVE A REAL RECENT UPDATE. I HAD A FANTASTIC MEETING YESTERDAY BETWEEN COUNCIL AND THE PARKS BOARD, IN RELATION TO THE HERITAGE PARK PROJECT. VERY, VERY PRODUCTIVE MEETING. I THINK -- I THINK ONE OF THE MOST PERFECT OF WORKSHOPS SINCE I HAVE GOTTEN TO BE A PART OF THAT BOARD. SO I'M REALLY EXCITED ABOUT THAT. I THINK THAT ALL THE BOARD MEMBERS ARE AS WELL. A LOT GOING ON WITH PARKS, BUT THAT IS OBVIOUSLY THE PRIMARY MOST RECENT FOCUS AT THE MOMENT. 
          >> COUNCILMEMBER RODGERS SERVES AS LIAISON TO MIDLOTHIAN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AS WELL AS THE HISTORIC YOU HAVE ANY UPDATES TO THOSE BOARDS? 
          >> I HAVE A LIST HERE. ELEMENT QUALITY TUBE HOLDING INC. 
          PURCHASED 3800 FACILITY. 
          FIVE YEAR FOCUS ON PROJECTS AND STRATEGIC PLAN A PROMOTIONAL PROGRAM WHERE THEY HAVE -- SMALL BUSINESSES ATTRACT CUSTOMERS TO THE CITY. PROGRAM REIMBURSES UP TO 50% OF ADVERTISING BUSINESSES INCLUDING NONPROFITS. IF YOU OWN A SMALL BUSINESS OR ARE INTERESTED IN HELPING SOME OF THESE ADVERTISING EXPENSES, GET A HOLD OF THE MAD BOARD AND SEE IF THEY CAN HELP YOU. SMALL BUSINESS TRAINING FOR LOCAL BUSINESSES WHERE LOCAL BUSINESSES ARE PARTICIPATING IN A THREE OR FOUR WEEK TRAINING BY THE MIDDLE OF THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT TO LEARN ABOUT INCENTIVES FOR BUSINESS GROWTH. COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT HAS INCLUDED THE MAD HAS HELD THE COMMUNITY OUTREACH, MEETING ON FEBRUARY SIXTH WITH SEVERAL COMMUNITY MEMBERS IN ATTENDANCE TO LEARN MORE ABOUT MAD INCENTIVES AND PROJECTS AND WHAT THE MAD DOES AND WHAT ITS PURPOSE IS AND HOW IT UTILIZES THOSE SALES TAX DOLLARS, WHICH IMPACTS PART AND DISTRIBUTES . 
          AND THEN IN THE CAREER CENTER, MATT HOSTED A LUNCH FOR LOCAL INDUSTRIAL BUSINESSES ON JANUARY 28TH WHERE THE TST SEE SHARED PLANS FOR THE FUTURE MIDLOTHIAN CAMPUS. THEY PRESENTED THE PROGRAMS AND LEGISLATIVE PRIORITIES AND ATTENDEES WERE INVITED TO -- FUNDING FOR THE CAMPUS. THIS IS A REALLY BIG DEAL. THIS IS GOING TO BE A RATHER LARGE CAMPUS. BASICALLY, I BELIEVE THAT IS ON THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF 287 AND 67. 
          THIS WILL BE FOR TRAINING FOR GENERAL JOB TRAINING WHICH WILL HELP THE INDUSTRY. THIS IS , I BELIEVE AND I COULD GET CORRECTED, I BELIEVE THAT THIS IS A -- IF NOT THE LARGEST, ONE OF THE LARGEST TRAINING FACILITIES THAT THE STATE WILL 
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BE A PART IN OFFERING TRAINING TO TAKE A LITTLE BIT OF THAT LOAD OFF OF OUR INDUSTRY WHICH -- SUPPORT THAT AND WILL HELP SUPPORT NEW INDUSTRY COMING IN WITH WELL-TRAINED POTENTIAL NEW 
          HIRE EASE. -- HIRES. >> COUNCILMAN HAMMOND SERVES AS THE CORPORATE LIAISON. 
          >> ALL RIGHT, MC DC. Y'ALL PROBABLY SAW THE VERY AND BRIGHT CAMPAIGN TO ENCOURAGE SHOPPING LOCAL, SUPPORT THE LOCAL BUSINESSES. THEY ARE INVOLVED IN FUNDING PART OF MIDLO FEST. WE HOPE THAT EVERYONE IS THERE. ONE THING I DID NOT REALIZE, THE GIS SYSTEM -- IS IT TOO LOW? THE GIS SYSTEM ON THE WEBSITE THROUGH THE CITY -- MAKE SURE I GET THIS RIGHT FROM THE PUBLIC AND GET TO IT, AND THERE IS A LIST OF ALL THE RESTAURANTS AND -- I DIDN'T UPDATED ALL THE PHOTOS AND THEY ARE ENCOURAGING PEOPLE TO GO THERE. IT IS A GEO HUB OF ALL OF OUR BUSINESSES AND RESTAURANTS ON THERE. THEY HAVE FUNDED A QR PROGRAM AT MOCKINGBIRD TRAIL TO ENHANCE THE VISITOR EXPERIENCE THERE . THEY HAVE FINISHED FUNDING WITH HISTORICAL GEM, THE PARK SECURITY PROGRAM FOUNDERS ROW WITH THE ANDERSON HOUSE. NEW PROJECTS COMING UP, THEY HAVE AN RFP CURRENTLY GOING ON TO DO A REFRESH OF THE CONFERENCE CENTER. AND THEN EXCITING IS THE NEW MC DC ADMINISTRATIVE ASSISTANT IS ON FOR -- I DON'T SEE HER, ELIZABETH BRAVO, THAT THEY STOLE FROM THE PARKS TEAM. SORRY. AND THEN, AND SHE IS AMAZING. SHE IS ALREADY IN DOING AWESOME STUFF AND THEN THEY WILL BE WORKING SOON ON SOME SMALL BUSINESS APPRECIATION EFFORTS AND FAÇADE GRANTS. 
          >> FANTASTIC, I HAVE THE HONOR IS SERVING AS LIAISON TO TO THE FORMAL LIBRARY BOARD. THE LIBRARY IS GOING TO BE GOING WITH STARTING AT BASICALLY FROM THE GROUND UP, ESTABLISHING POLICIES AND PROCEDURES, ETC. THERE HAS BEEN TREMENDOUS OUTPOURING OF COMMUNITY SUPPORT, AND ACTIVITY WITHIN THAT LIBRARY. I HAVE GOTTEN A FEW NUMBERS HEAR FROM DECEMBER OF LAST YEAR THROUGH FEBRUARY OF THIS YEAR DURING THE WINTER MONTHS. WE CIRCULATED OVER 36,484 ITEMS , 27,000 OF THOSE WERE PHYSICAL AND HOUSE AND OVER 9000 DIGITAL DOWNLOADS FOR USAGE FOR THE LIBRARY AND AN OVERALL INCREASE OF 217% COMPARED TO YEAR-OVER-YEAR , THE YEAR BEFORE. THE PUBLIC COMPUTERS, PRINTING AND MOBILE PRINTING HAS NOW BEEN LAUNCHED AND IS ACTIVE. 
          AND THEN PROGRAMMING IS ON FULL DISPLAY FOR THE LIBRARY , LAUNCHED MARCH THE 10TH AND AS OF 3/24, WE HAVE HAD 25 PROGRAMS WITH OVER 580 ATTENDEES, SO THE LIBRARY IS VERY ACTIVE. A SHOUT OUT TO ALEXIS AND HER TEAM WHO ARE DOING A FANTASTIC JOB IN ESTABLISHING THAT LIBRARY. MAYOR PRO TEM WICKLIFFE IS THE LIAISON TO THE 
          ]. >> YEAH, MOST OF OUR CASES COME BEFORE THE COUNCIL, SO IT IS KIND OF HARD TO UPDATE, HOWEVER, I WILL SAY THAT WE ARE STARTING THE ORDINANCE REWRITE REVIEW, SO A LOT OF OUR PNC MEMBERS ARE ABOUT TO GET BUSY WITH THAT. I BELIEVE ROSS IS ON THAT -- EXCITED TO START THE ORDINANCE REWRITE FOR THE CITY IN ORDER TO BRING SOMETHING BEFORE COUNCIL SOON. 
          >> COUNCILMAN WEAVER SERVES AS -- WATCH APACHE. 
          >> SO SOMETHING VERY NEW, I JUST HAD TODAY, A NEW TRACKING SYSTEM FOR ISSUE REQUEST FOR THE TENANTS AND HANGERS OUT THERE SO THAT WE CAN KIND OF MODERNIZE HOW WE ARE ADDRESSING THOSE -- SORELY NEEDED. EXCITED TO SEE THE STAFF -- WE CAN MAKE SURE THAT TRAN 23 HANGAR SPACE FROM US OR DO REPAIRS. I FOUND IT VERY INTERESTING. I NEVER REALLY REALIZED HOW BUSY OF A RUNWAY THAT AIRPORT IS OUT THERE UNTIL I STARTED SERVING AS LIAISON. 
          THERE WAS OVER 82,000 FLIGHT OPERATIONS THAT THE MIDWAY REGIONAL AIRPORT LAST YEAR -- THAT IS A TAKEOFF OR LANDING, RIGHT? SO I MEAN, THAT IS A LOT. NOW A LOT OF THAT IS TRANSIENT TRAFFIC AND A LOT OF THAT IS FLIGHT SCHOOLS THAT ARE USING OUR FACILITY BECAUSE IT IS LESS TRAFFIC THAN SOME OF THE MAJOR METRO AREAS TO PRACTICE THE TAKEOFF AND LANDINGS, SO THAT ADDS TO THE COUNT, BUT IT IS IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT THE FACILITY HAS A LOT OF POTENTIAL OUT THERE, AND THEY ARE KICKING OFF A NEW SUBCOMMITTEE ON ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT THAT I WILL BE ATTENDING THE FIRST MEETING ON APRIL SEVEN . AND SO IT IS VERY EXCITING TO SEE WHAT THE BOARD MEMBERS OUT THERE ARE 
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GOING TO COME UP WITH ON HOW WE CAN INVEST THAT ECONOMIC ENGINE GROWTH COUNCILMAN SHUFFIELD SERVES AS LIAISON TO THE UTILITY ADVISORY BOARD, A BOARD THAT MEETS AS NEEDED. I'M NOT SURE IF YOU HAVE AN UPDATE ABOUT IT. WE DID -- MIKE CAN CORRECT ME ON THAT BECAUSE I DID NOT TALK AHEAD OF TIME, BUT I DID COMPLETE 24 MGD EXPANSION TO GET UPHILL, 24 MGD'S, WHICH IS A VERY POSITIVE THING. AND THEN I THINK THAT WE ARE BEGINNING THE DREDGING IN THE LAKE AREA AND THE GOOD NEWS IS, WE HAVE WATER AND SEWER AND IT IS ALL 
          STILL FUNCTIONING. >> FANTASTIC . 
          >> I WILL CLOSE AT THAT. >> AND IF IT DIDN'T WORK WE WOULD DEFINITELY KNOW ABOUT IT. THANK YOU, COUNCIL FOR THE UPDATES. LET'S MOVE ON TO B WHICH IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR CITY COUNCIL TO REPORT ON ITEMS OF COMMUNITY INTEREST. ANY ITEMS OF COMMUNITY INTEREST ANYONE WOULD LIKE TO SHARE TONIGHT? ANNA? 
          >> YEAH, TOMORROW WE WILL BE PRESENTING A PROCLAMATION TO MR. JOHN BOSWELL, HE IS A WORLD WAR II NAVY VET. HE TURNS 101 YEARS OLD. I WANTED TO GIVE A SHOUT OUT TO HIM AND HIS SERVICE AND WE ARE EXCITED 
          >> ABSOLUTELY, THANK YOU FOR THAT. ROSS? 
          >> YOU KNOW, I HAD THE PLEASURE OF WATCHING OUR ESTEEMED MAYOR THROW OUT THE FIRST PITCH AT THE MIDLOTHIAN PANTHER BASEBALL GAME. I'M HAPPY TO REPORT THAT IT WAS A LINE DRIVE WITH A LITTLE POP ON IT WHEN IT HIT TO THE GLOVE. SO HE IS STILL KEEPING THE CANON IN SHAPE. IF YOU HAVE NOT HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO GO OUT AND WATCH THESE YOUNG MEN PLAY BASEBALL , THE WEATHER IS BEAUTIFUL RIGHT NOW. IT IS A PRIME OPPORTUNITY , AND YOU KNOW, IT IS JUST A JOY TO SEE THAT LEVEL OF DEDICATION, BUT ALSO LOVE OF THE GAME FROM THE COACHES ALL THE WAY DOWN TO THE PLAYERS. AND I BELIEVE THE NIGHT THAT WE WERE THERE THEY PULLED OFF A COME FROM BEHIND VICTORY AFTER GOING DOWN FIVE RUNS IN THE FIRST INNING. THEY CAME BACK AND TOOK IT AWAY. AND I THINK THAT THE CITY MANAGER MAY HAVE HAD A RELATIVE PART OF THAT PROCESS AS WELL, AND SO -- IT WAS VERY NEAT TO SEE A LOT OF OLD MIDLOTHIAN FACES THERE AND NEW FACES THERE AND I HIGHLY ENCOURAGE YOU TO GO OUT AND SUPPORT THAT PROGRAM. THANK YOU. 
          >> ABSOLUTELY, THANK YOU FOR SHARING. THE ICEPACK WORKED WONDERS AFTER. 
          SEEN NO OTHERS, WE WILL MOVE ON TO ITEM A, WHICH IS TO RECEIVE THE PRESENTATION OF THE FINANCIAL AUDIT FOR FISCAL YEAR 23/24 FROM REPRESENTATIVES FROM PATTILLO, BROWN & HILL, LLP. 
          -- OPPORTUNITY TO PERFORM THE AUDIT THIS YEAR. I WOULD LIKE TO GIVE A SPECIAL THANKS TO ANNA AND MARIA AND ALL THE STUFF THAT ASSISTED US DURING THE COURSE OF THE AUDIT. AS YOU CAN IMAGINE, FROM LOOKING AT THE CITIES ANNUAL FINANCIAL REPORT, WHICH IS OVER 100 PAGES LONG, THERE IS A LOT OF TIME AND EFFORT THAT THEY PUT INTO PREPARING THAT DOCUMENT, AND THEY HAVE TO DO THAT AT THE SAME TIME AS RESPONDING TO ALL OF OUR REQUESTS FOR INFORMATION AND DOCUMENTS, AND THEY REALLY DID AN EXCELLENT JOB OF PROVIDING US ALL OF THE INFORMATION THAT WE NEEDED IN ORDER TO COMPLETE OUR AUDIT IN A TIMELY MANNER. WE WERE ENGAGED TO PERFORM THE CITY'S ANNUAL FINANCIAL STATEMENT AUDIT, AND YOU MAY REMEMBER THAT ANY LOCAL GOVERNMENT THAT SPENDS OVER $750,000 IN FEDERAL GRANT AWARDS IN A FISCAL YEAR IS ALSO REQUIRED TO UNDERGO COMPLIANCE AUDIT OF THOSE FEDERAL GRANT AWARDS, SO THE PROCESS IS CALLED A SINGLE AUDIT, AND THE CITY DID HIT THE SINGLE AUDIT THRESHOLD, LIKE MANY LOCAL GOVERNMENTS HAVE DONE IN THE LAST FEW YEARS, EVER SINCE THE COVID HIT AND ALL THAT MONEY STARTED FLOWING OUT . SO WE DID PERFORM THE SINGLE AUDIT FOR THE CITY THIS YEAR. YOU SHOULD HAVE A COPY OF THE CITY'S ANNUAL FINANCIAL REPORT , AND THEN THE SECOND DOCUMENT WHICH IS MUCH SMALLER, CALLED THE SINGLE AUDIT REPORT. WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO DO TONIGHT IS JUST BRIEFLY GO OVER THOSE REPORTS , WHICH CONTAINED THE RESULTS OF OUR AUDIT, AND THEN IF ANYONE HAS ANY QUESTIONS, I WOULD BE HAPPY TO ANSWER THOSE. 
          IF YOU ARE LOOKING AT THE ANNUAL COMPREHENSIVE FINANCIAL REPORT, YOU WILL NOTE THE FIRST SECTION IS THE INTRODUCTORY SECTION AND IT IS NUMBERED WITH ROMAN NUMERALS . IF YOU SKIP OVER THAT TO THE FINANCIAL SECTION ON PAGE ONE OF THE FINANCIAL SECTION, YOU WILL FIND THE INDEPENDENT AUDITORS REPORT THAT COVERS THE 
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FINANCIAL STATEMENT AUDIT. 
          AND WHAT THIS REPORT BASICALLY SAYS IS THAT THE PREPARATION OF THESE FINANCIAL STATEMENTS IS THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE CITY. 
          WE CAN ASSIST WITH THE PREPARATION OF THOSE FINANCIAL STATEMENTS, AND WE DO, AS LONG AS CERTAIN SAFEGUARDS ARE PUT IN PLACE TO PROTECT OUR INDEPENDENCE, AND THEY WERE. IT IS OUR RESPONSIBILITY AS YOUR AUDITORS TO EXPRESS AN OPINION ON THE FINANCIAL STATEMENTS. YOU WILL FIND OUR OPINION THERE IN THE FIRST PART OF THIS REPORT. I AM HAPPY TO REPORT THAT WE HAVE ISSUED WHAT IS CALLED AN UNMODIFIED OPINION. YOU OFTEN HEAR IT REFERRED TO AS A CLEAN OPINION. THAT IS THE HIGHEST FORM OF OPINION THAT YOU CAN RECEIVE. AND WHAT IT REALLY MEANS TO YOU, AS A USER OF THESE FINANCIAL STATEMENTS, IS THAT THESE FINANCIAL STATEMENTS THAT YOU HAVE HERE HAVE BEEN AUDITED BY OUR FIRM , AND IN OUR OPINION THEY ARE FREE OF ANY MATERIAL MISSTATEMENTS, AND THERE ALSO PRESENTED FAIRLY IN ACCORDANCE WITH GENERALLY ACCEPTED ACCOUNTING PRINCIPLES. YOU WILL ALSO NOTE IN THE VERY LAST PARAGRAPH OF THAT REPORT ON PAGE 3 THAT OUR AUDIT WAS PERFORMED IN ACCORDANCE WITH GOVERNMENT AUDITING STANDARDS AND THOSE STANDARDS REQUIRE YOUR AUDITORS TO DO A NUMBER OF THINGS THAT GO BEYOND JUST GENERALLY ACCEPTED AUDITING STANDARDS, ONE OF WHICH IS TO REPORT ON THE CITIES INTERNAL CONTROLS OVER THE FINANCIAL REPORTING PROCESS, AND COMPLIANCE WITH LAWS, REGULATIONS, CONTRACTS AND GRANTS. YOU WILL FIND THAT REPORT ON PAGE ONE OF YOUR SINGLE AUDIT REPORT. 
          NOW THE FIRST PART OF THIS REPORT, AS I MENTIONED, DEALS WITH INTERNAL CONTROLS OVER FINANCIAL REPORTING. WHAT WE ARE REALLY TALKING ABOUT HERE , THOSE ARE ALL OF THE POLICIES AND PROCEDURES THAT YOU HAVE PUT IN PLACE IN ORDER TO ULTIMATELY PREPARE THESE FINANCIAL STATEMENTS. YOUR AUDITOR AT THE BEGINNING OF THE AUDIT HAS TO GAIN AN UNDERSTANDING THIS CONTROL SO THAT WE CAN PERFORM OUR AUDIT ACCORDINGLY. IF DURING THAT PROCESS WE IDENTIFY ANY DEFICIENCIES IN THOSE CONTROLS, EITHER IN THE WAY THAT THEY ARE DESIGNED OR THE WAY THAT THEY ARE OPERATING, WE ARE REQUIRED TO REPORT THEM IN THIS REPORT, AND I AM HAPPY TO REPORT THAT THERE WERE NO SIGNIFICANT DEFICIENCIES THAT WERE IDENTIFIED WITH RESPECT TO YOUR INTERNAL CONTROLS. 
          YOU TURN OVER TO PAGE 2, IT DEALS WITH COMPLIANCE. HERE WE ARE TALKING ABOUT COMPLIANCE WITH LAWS, REGULATIONS, CONTRACTS AND GRANTS. ANY ITEM THAT WE BELIEVE IF WE WERE TO IDENTIFY NONCOMPLIANCE THAT COULD END UP HAVING AN IMPACT ON YOUR FINANCIAL STATEMENTS. AND NORMALLY THOSE ARE THINGS THAT WOULD END UP CREATING A LIABILITY IN YOUR FINANCIAL STATEMENTS, FOR EXAMPLE, IF WE WERE TESTING A GRANT PROGRAM AND WE WERE TO IDENTIFY SOME COSTS THAT WERE CHARGED TO ONE OF YOUR GRANTS THAT WE BELIEVE WERE NOT ALLOWABLE UNDER THE TERMS OF THAT PROGRAM, YOU MIGHT HAVE TO RETURN THOSE FUNDS, SO THAT WOULD CREATE A LIABILITY IN YOUR FINANCIAL STATEMENTS AND THOSE ARE THE TYPES OF THINGS THAT WOULD BE INCLUDED IN THIS REPORT. AS YOU CAN SEE THERE IN THE PARAGRAPH, THAT THE RESULTS OF OUR TEST DISCLOSED NO INSTANCES OF NONCOMPLIANCE DURING THE COURSE OF OUR AUDIT. THE THIRD AND FINAL REPORT THAT WE HAVE ISSUED IMMEDIATELY FOLLOWS THAT ON PAGE 3. AND THIS IS THE REPORT THAT CONTAINS THE RESULTS OF OUR FEDERAL AWARDS COMPLIANCE AUDIT. IF YOU WILL TURN YOUR ATTENTION TO PAGE 6, YOU WILL FIND THE SCHEDULE CALLED THE SCHEDULE OF EXPENDITURE OF FEDERAL AWARDS. YOU CAN SEE THE CITY ENDED UP SPENDING JUST OVER $879,000 IN FEDERAL GRANTS DURING THE YEAR. 
          THAT WAS DONE UNDER SEVEN DIFFERENT PROGRAMS. THE WAY THAT THE COMPLIANCE AUDIT WORKS, THE INDEPENDENT AUDITOR DOES NOT TEST EVERY PROGRAM EVERY YEAR AND PERFORM A RISK ASSESSMENT AND SELECT CERTAIN PROGRAMS FOR TESTING. THE PROGRAM THAT WE SELECT TO DO THIS YEAR WAS THE LARGE PROGRAM, THE COVID 19 CORONAVIRUS STATE AND LOCAL FISCAL RECOVERY FUND, AND WE TESTED THAT PROGRAM FOR COMPLIANCE WITH UP TO SIX DIFFERENT COMPLIANCE REQUIREMENTS FOR THINGS SUCH AS THE ALLOWABILITY OF THE COSTS THAT WERE CHARGED TO THE PROGRAM. THE REPORTING REQUIREMENTS, WE TESTED THAT YOU FOUL THOSE REPORTS TIMELY AND ACCURATELY, AND SEVERAL OTHER COMPLIANCE REQUIREMENTS THAT WE ENDED UP TESTING DURING THAT PROCESS. AND THEN WE ISSUE AN OPINION IN THIS REPORT ON PAGE 3 . I'M HAPPY TO REPORT THAT WE ISSUED AN UNMODIFIED OPINION. 
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AGAIN, THAT IS A CLEAN OPINION. ALL THAT REALLY MEANS IS THAT OUR OPINION THAT THE CITY DID COMPLY AND THAT ALL ETHEREAL RESPECTS WITH THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE FEDERAL PROGRAM. 
          THE LAST PART OF THAT REPORT DEALS WITH INTERNAL CONTROLS . 
          HERE WE ARE NOT TALKING ABOUT INTERNAL CONTROLS OVER CREATING YOUR FINANCIAL STATEMENTS, WE ARE TALKING ABOUT INTERNAL CONTROLS OVER COMPLYING WITH THE REQUIREMENTS OF THAT FEDERAL PROGRAM . HAD WE IDENTIFIED ANY DEFICIENCIES IN THOSE CONTROLS, THEY WOULD BE INCLUDED IN THIS REPORT. AND I'M HAPPY TO REPORT THAT THERE WERE NO SIGNIFICANT DEFICIENCIES IDENTIFIED WITH RESPECT TO THE INTERNAL CONTROLS OVER YOUR FEDERAL GRANT PROGRAM AS WELL. SO, TO SUMMARIZE, IT IS A VERY CLEAN AUDIT, THE RESULTS WERE CLEAN AND YOU HAVE A CLEAN OPINION ON YOUR FINANCIAL STATEMENTS AND NO SIGNIFICANT DEFICIENCIES THAT WERE IDENTIFIED IN THE INTERNAL CONTROLS OVER PREPARING THOSE FINANCIAL STATEMENTS. THERE IS NO NONCOMPLIANCE THAT WAS IDENTIFIED THAT WOULD HAVE A MATERIAL IMPACT ON YOUR FINANCIALS. A CLEAN OPINION ON COMPLYING WITH YOUR FEDERAL MAJOR FEDERAL WORD PROGRAM, AND THERE WERE NO SIGNIFICANT DEFICIENCIES IDENTIFIED WITH RESPECT TO COMPLIANCE OVER YOUR FEDERAL GRANT. SO I CONGRATULATE THE CITY ON THE CLEAN RESULTS OF THE AUDIT. IF ANYONE HAS ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE AUDIT OR THE FINANCIAL STATEMENTS, I WOULD BE HAPPY TO ADDRESS THOSE. 
          >> THANK YOU, COUNCIL, ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS? 
          >> JUST FOR PUBLIC RECORD, DEFINED FOR US THE SIGNIFICANT VERSUS INSIGNIFICANT DEFICIENCIES OR WHATEVER -- 
          >> OVER THE INTERNAL CONTROLS? >> I UNDERSTAND THE LINGO, AND I UNDERSTAND THE REPORT, BUT I THINK THAT THE THING THAT THERE WERE NO SIGNIFICANT DEFICIENCIES AND THAT SORT OF THING, IT MAY LEAD SOMEBODY TO THINK OKAY, I WANT TO KNOW WHAT THE 
          INSIGNIFICANT DEFICIENCIES ARE. >> YES, RIGHT, CORRECT. A SIGNIFICANT DEFICIENCY IS DEFINED AND THERE IS A DEFINITION IN THE REPORT, BUT BASICALLY IT WOULD BE THE DEFICIENCY THAT WE BELIEVE WOULD BE SIGNIFICANT ENOUGH TO BE BROUGHT TO THE ATTENTION OF MANAGEMENT AND GOVERNANCE, BUT TO SHED LIGHT ON THE GIST OF YOUR QUESTION, THERE WERE NO -- IF THERE WERE DEFICIENCIES AND INTERNAL CONTROLS THAT DID NOT MEET THE THRESHOLD FOR REPORTING IN THIS REPORT , BUT THEY WERE ITEMS THAT WE FEEL REALLY SHOULD BE COMMUNICATED IN SOME RESPECT TO MANAGEMENT, WE WOULD ISSUE THEM IN A MANAGEMENT LETTER AND THERE WERE ALSO NO CONTROL DEFICIENCIES THAT WERE REPORTED TO MANAGEMENT AS WELL. SO IF THERE WAS ANYTHING THAT WE BELIEVED IN ANY WAY SHOULD HAVE BEEN COMMUNICATED TO MANAGEMENT OR TO GOVERNANCE, WE WOULD HAVE REPORTED THOSE 
          DOES THAT HELP? >> ANY OF THE QUESTIONS, COUNSELOR? THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION. AND AS ALWAYS, GRADUATIONS TO YOU AND YOUR TEAM. WELL DONE. 
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          >> THANK YOU. 
          >> THANK YOU, SIR. >>> OPENING ITEM, CITIZENS TO BE HEARD, THE CITY COUNCIL INVITES CITIZENS TO ADDRESS THE COUNCIL ON ANY TOPIC NOT ALREADY SCHEDULED FOR PUBLIC HEARING. 
          CITIZENS WISHING TO SPEAK SHOULD COMPLETE A FORM AND PRESENTED TO THE CITY SECRETARY. SPEAKERS ARE LIMITED TO THREE MINUTES IN ACCORDANCE WITH TEXAS OPEN MEETINGS ACT. ANYONE SIGNED UP 
          TO SPEAK? >> MISS HARDING , IF YOU COULD COME UP TO THE MICROPHONE AND STATE YOUR NAME INTO THE RECORD FOR THE RECORD AND WHETHER OR NOT YOU LIVE WITHIN THE CITY. 
          AND YOU WILL HAVE THREE MINUTES. >> 5206 COMPASSION COURT, HERE IN MIDLOTHIAN. THANK YOU ALL. I KNOW THAT WE HAVE A LOT OF SPEAKERS, SO I WILL MAKE IT QUICK . I WANTED TO TALK TO YOU A LITTLE BIT TONIGHT ABOUT A PROGRAM THAT WE HAVE CALLED SNIP IT IN THE BUD. WE PARTNER WITH THE FLYING B RESCUE IN ELLIS COUNTY, AND I AM A REPRESENTATIVE OF THE PET COALITION OF ELLIS COUNTY. JUST TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE UPDATE ON WHAT WE HAVE DONE , IN THE MONTH OF MARCH WE HAD 14 SPAIN NEUTERS FROM MIDLOTHIAN, AND 13 OF THOSE REPORTED THAT THEY ACTUALLY LIVE IN THE CITY LIMITS, SO THAT IS OVER 90% FOR THE MONTH OF MARCH JUST FOR MIDLOTHIAN. OUR SNIP IT IN THE BUD PROJECT , THE WAY THAT WORKS IS, OWNERS BRING THEIR DOGS. THEY PAID $25 FOR A DOG, $10 FOR A CAT . AND THEN THE FLYING B RESCUE SUBSIDIZES THE REST OF THAT. AND THAT MEANS THAT IT COSTS THE RISK YOU ABOUT $100 FOR EACH PET TO SUBSIDIZE THAT SPAY NEUTER, WHICH WE 
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DESPERATELY NEED IN THE COUNTY, AS YOU KNOW. SO FOR THE MONTH OF MARCH ALONE, THE FLYING B RESCUE HERE IN ELLIS COUNTY, THEY HAD EXPENSES OF $1300 JUST FOR THE SPAY NEUTER THAT THEY SUBSIDIZED FOR OUR CITIZENS. WE ARE ALL COMMITTED TO BREAKING THE CYCLE OF THE UNWANTED AND UNEXPECTED LITTERS THAT ARE CONTRIBUTING TO THE ELLIS COUNTY OVERPOPULATION CRISIS THAT WE ARE ALL FACING RIGHT NOW. SO UNTIL A LONG-TERM SOLUTION IS AVAILABLE, I AM HERE TONIGHT TO ASK THE CIVIC LEADERS AND COUNCILMEMBERS IF YOU WOULD CONSIDER SOME FINANCIAL SUPPORT FOR THE SNIP IT IN THE BUD PROJECT. MAYBE THROUGH THE REIMBURSEMENT PROGRAM , SOMETHING THAT WE CAN DISCUSS OUTSIDE OF COUNCIL. BUT IF YOU WOULD CONSIDER DOING THAT , IT WOULD BE A BIG HELP TO THE FLYING B. AND AS YOU ALL KNOW, WE DESPERATELY NEED THAT IN THE COUNTY. WE NEED TO TRY TO CONTROL THIS OVERPOPULATION. 
          ALSO, JUST AS A SIDE NOTE, WE HAVE A PROGRAM COMING UP ON APRIL THE 12TH CALLED EASTER BUNNY PHOTOS. THAT WILL BE AT HARMONY BANK IN LOXAHATCHEE FROM 9:00 A.M. UNTIL 2:00 P.M. IT IS FAMILY-FRIENDLY, AND PET FRIENDLY. WE JUST ASK THAT A SIMPLE DONATION FOR OUR PET COALITION OF ELLIS COUNTY, BECAUSE WE ARE DOING A LOT OF THINGS BEHIND THE SCENES TRYING TO HELP THE ANIMALS IN THE COUNTY PROVIDING PET FOOD, TRAINING, THINGS LIKE THAT TO TRY TO HELP OUR CITIZENS WITH THAT. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. 
          >> THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS, TAMMY? 
          >> SHANNON SMOCK? 
          >> WELCOME, IF YOU COULD, STATE YOUR NAME INTO THE MICROPHONE FOR THE RECORD WHETHER OR NOT YOU LIVE IN THE CITY LIMITS. 
          >> I LIVE AT 2023 WILLOWBEND DRIVE IN OAK LEAF AND IN ELLIS COUNTY RESIDENT FOR 41 YEARS AND I'M ALSO WITH THE PET COALITION OF ELLIS COUNTY AND I AM ON THE BOARD AND I COCHAIR THE PREVENTATIVE AND MEDICAL CARE TEAM ALONG WITH CAROLYN TAYLOR OF SNIPPET IN THE BED AND SO AS SHE MENTIONED, WE HAVE AN ANIMAL WELFARE CRISIS IN ELLIS COUNTY WITH THE EXPLOSIVE GROWTH OF OUR COUNTY AND THE LACK OF SHELTER SPACE AND AFFORDABLE PREVENTATIVE SERVICES FOR PETS IN NEED. TEXAS IS NUMBER ONE IN EUTHANIZING HOMELESS PETS. WE AIM TO BRING , WE AIM TO CHANGE THAT, NUMBER ONE. AND WE -- OUR GOAL IS TO BRING AFFORDABLE VACCINES, MICRO-CHIPPING AND SPAY AND NEUTERING SERVICES TO PETS TO PREVENT UNWANTED LITTERS, DISEASE, LOST, OWNER SURRENDERED AND ABANDONED PETS. AS OUR FUNDING PERMITS AND WE ARE A NONPROFIT, WE ACCEPT DONATIONS. WE WILL ASSIST IF A STRAY UNSPONSORED FOSTER PET OR A PET OWNER NEEDS MEDICAL HELP FOR THEIR PET TO KEEP IT IN THEIR HOME. PROVIDE HEARTWORM TREATMENT AND OTHER MEDICAL NEEDS FOR OUR SHELTER PET TO HELP THEM GET ADOPTED, PROVIDE AFFORDABLE SPAY NEUTER SERVICES IN PARTNERSHIP WITH SNIP IT, AND ALSO ON OUR OWN, WHEN WE RAISE ENOUGH MONEY, WE WANT TO TAKE CARE OF THE BIG DOGS THAT DON'T FIT ON THOSE MOBILE -- THERE JUST IS NOT ENOUGH SPACE FOR THE BIG DOGS TO GET SPAYED OR NEUTERED AT LOW COST. AND OUR UPCOMING EVENTS , THIS MONDAY MARCH 31ST WILL BE AT THE WALMART IN THE PARKING LOT OF THE GARDEN CENTER AND THE PET COALITION WILL BE HANDING OUT $25 VOUCHERS FOR A WALK UP LOW-COST MOBILE VACCINE CLINIC. SO FOR A CAT TO GET FULLY IMMUNIZED FOR A YEAR WILL COST THE OWNER $35 AND FOR A DOG, $40 WITH THE VOUCHER, AND WE HAVE 50 TO GIVE OUT, SO THE FIRST 50 PETS. AND THEN SATURDAY APRIL 26 FROM 9:00 UNTIL 3:00 WILL BE PARTNERING WITH THE BARBERS IN LOXAHATCHEE. AND WE'RE GOING TO DO FREE MICRO-CHIPPING FOR THE FIRST 100 PETS AND THEN IF THEY ARE MICROCHIP THEY GET A FIVE DOLLAR NAIL TRIM FROM THE GROOMERS. AND THEN SATURDAY MAY 31ST , FULL DISCLOSURE, I ALSO VOLUNTEER FOR THE SPCA IN TEXAS AND I KNOW THAT THEY ARE ENDING THEIR CONTRACT WITH ELLIS COUNTY, BUT I STILL VOLUNTEER AND THEY ARE COMING TO ELLIS E O DO A FREE DRIVE-THROUGH IMMUNIZATION AND MICROCHIP TEAM MAY 31ST AT THE YOUTH EXPO 
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CENTER AND KYRA TOLD YOU ABOUT THE FUNDRAISER WITH THE EASTER BUNNY, THAT IS APRIL 12TH, AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. 
          [CONSENT AGENDA]
          >> A LOT OF GOOD INFORMATION. APPRECIATE THE UP DATES. 
          WE WILL MOVE ON TO CONSENT AGENDA, THIS IS 086, ALL MATTERS ARE CONSIDERED TO BE ROUTINE BY THE CITY COUNCIL AND WILL BE ENACTED BY ONE MOTION WITHOUT SEPARATE DISCUSSION, HOWEVER, IF DISCUSSION IS DESIRED, THAT ITEM CAN BE REMOVED FROM CONSENT AGENDA AND BE CONSIDERED SEPARATELY. WOULD ANYONE LIKE TO REMOVE ITEMS FROM CONSENT THIS EVENING? 
          >> I HAVE A QUESTION ON ITEM C. >> WILL PULL ITEM C FROM CONSENT. ANY OTHER ITEMS? CONSENT AGENDA MINUS ITEM C? MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN RODGERS, SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN HAMMOND . PLEASE VOTE. 
          THERE AGO, ITEM PASSES 7-0. WE WILL OPEN UP ITEM C UNDER CONSENT AGENDA, WHICH IS TO CONSIDER AND REACT UPON THE BIDS RECEIVED FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF AN ACCESSORY BUILDING TO BE LOCATED AT FIRE STATION NUMBER TWO. ROSS, YOUR QUESTIONS? 
          >> MY ONLY QUESTION, IT SAID THAT NOT ALL OF THE OR ALL THE RESPONDENTS FAILED TO MEET THE CRITERIA, AND I WAS JUST CURIOUS WHAT CRITERIA THEY FAILED TO MEET? 
          >> WELL, WE HAD ALL OF THE COMPANIES EXCEPT FOR ONE INCLUDING PRICING, WHICH WAS NOT TO BE BROUGHT IN UNTIL THEY BROUGHT IN THE INTERVIEWS AND ONE OF THE CONTRACTORS DID NOT PROVIDE COPIES AND THEY WERE TO PROVIDE ORIGINAL COPIES FOR THE REVIEW TEAM TO LOOK AT. AND ONE OF THEM DID NOT SUBMIT A SEAL PROPOSAL BUT BROUGHT IT IN OPEN WITHOUT EVEN A RUBBER BAND AROUND IT, AND THAT IS ONE OF THE REQUIREMENTS THAT ALL PROPOSALS ARE SEALED. THAT WAY THEY ARE OPENED ALTOGETHER AND IT IS A FAIR PLAYING FIELD. ONE OF THEM HAD PRICING, BUT DID NOT INCLUDE A REQUIRED ADDENDUM, AND ONE OF THEM HAD A PRICING SHEET BUT PROVIDED A PRICING SHEET AND MET EVERYTHING ELSE EXCEPT THEY HAD THE PRICING SHEET BUT THEY WERE NOT SUPPOSED TO PROVIDE, AND THEN ANOTHER ONE DID NOT INCLUDE A USB DRIVE, WHICH WAS ALSO VERY CLEARLY EXPLAINED. SO THOSE WERE THE -- I DON'T HAVE THE HOLE LIST WITH ME, BUT THOSE ARE THE ONES THAT FAILED TO 
          PROVIDE ONE OF THE ITEMS. >> SO WHEN WE REJECT THIS, DOES IT AUTOMATICALLY REOPEN -- MAC YES. WE GO OUT FOR A REBID, AND WE START THE PROCESS AGAIN. 
          >> IS ONLY QUESTION I HAVE. ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS? 
          >> I HAVE A FELLOW -- FOLLOW-UP QUESTION. NOW THAT YOU BRING THIS UP, ARE THEY NOTIFIED OF WHAT THE DISCREPANCY WAS , SO IF THEY WANT TO COME BACK ON THE NEXT ROUND -- 
          >> YES. AND WE ENCOURAGE THEM ALL TO REAPPLY AND JUST COMPLY 
          WITH ALL OF THE REQUIREMENTS. >> THE OTHER QUESTIONS ON ITEM 
          C? >> MOTION APPROVED -- 
          >> MOTION TO APPROVE. COUNCILMEMBER WEAVER, SECONDED BY MAYOR PRO TEM WICKLIFFE. LET'S VOTE. 
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ITEM PASSES 7-0. LET'S MOVE ON TO THE PUBLIC HEARINGS. THE OPEN ITEM, 2025-087. CONTINUE OF PUBLIC HEARING AND CONSIDER AND ACT UPON AN ORDINANCE CHANGING THE ZONING OF 48.59+ OR MINUS ACRES FROM THE WM SURVEY IN THE CITY OF MIDLOTHIAN TO PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT 183 FOR THE SINGLE-FAMILY TWO AND GENERAL LOCATION IS NORTHEAST OF ASHFORD LANE 
          >> WHERE DID THE CLICKER GO? >> MAYOR, COUNCIL -- ASHFORD ESTATES IS A SINGLE-FAMILY PLAN OF DEVELOPMENT AND IT IS 48.5 ACRES WITH 36 SINGLE-FAMILY LOTS AND TWO OPEN-SPACE SLOTS. THE PROPERTY IS CURRENTLY ZONED AGRICULTURAL AID DISTRICT, AND IS IN THE COUNTRY MODULE OF THE FUTURE LAND USE PLAN, WHICH RECOMMENDS TWO ACRES . THE ADJACENT LOTS ARE PRIMARILY TWO 
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ACRES OR MORE. THE ADJACENT ZONING IS AG WITH SOME LOTS THAT ARE SINGLE-FAMILY ONE AND THE ADJACENT LAND USES ARE SINGLE-FAMILY , WHAT THEY ARE REQUESTING IS ONE ACRE MINIMUM LOT SIZES THAT THEY WILL HAVE ON SITE SEPTIC AND THEY WILL BE SERVED BY SARDIS LONE STAR OUT OF THE WATER. USUALLY LOTS WILL BE OWNED AND MAINTAINED BY THE HOMEOWNER ASSOCIATION AND THERE WILL BE AN EMERGENCY GATE THAT IS CURRENTLY PROPOSED WHERE IT CONNECTS TO ROLLINGWOOD DRIVE. THIS IS THE VERSION THAT WAS PRESENTED TO CITY COUNCIL . THE APPLICANT HAS REQUESTED THAT WE PRESENT A SECOND VERSION, AND I DO INCLUDE THAT AT THE END OF THE PRESENTATION. 
          THE OPPOSED DEVELOPMENT MEETS MOST OF THE CRITERIA FOR SINGLE-FAMILY AND THE APPLICANT HAD PROPOSED SOME VARIANCES TO THE LOT WITH SIDE YARD SETBACK AND REAR YARD SETBACK. THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION RECOMMENDED THAT THE ORDINANCE RESPECT THE SETBACKS AND THAT THERE BE A GATE WITH A LOCK ON IT. 
          WE DID RECEIVE A PETITION AND IT DID MEET THE CRITERIA FOR THE THREE FOURTHS VOTE AND IT WAS OVER 20% OF THE AREA WITHIN 200 FEET. WE SENT OUT 22 LETTERS TO PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN 200 FEET OF THE PROPERTY AND WE RECEIVED 25 TOTAL PROPERTIES THAT EXPRESSED OPPOSITION, 13 OF THEM WERE IN THE 200 FOOT BUFFER, WHICH REQUIRES A THREE FOURTHS VOTE OF COUNCIL TO APPROVE IT. 
          THERE WAS ONE OWNER THAT PROVIDED A LETTER OF SUPPORT AND WE DID RECEIVE A COUPLE OF CITIZEN PARTICIPATION FORMS TODAY THAT SAID THAT PEOPLE HAD CHANGED THEIR MINDS AND I BELIEVE THAT THEY CAME TO SPEAK. THAT IS NOT WORKING. THERE WE 
          GO. >> CAN I JUMP IN FOR CLARIFICATION PURPOSES? SINCE YOU BROUGHT UP THE THREE FOURTHS VOTE . JUST SO THE PUBLIC VIEWING IS WHAT THEY ARE HEARING AND THE COUNCIL UNDERSTANDS, THREE FOURTHS OF THE SUPER MAJORITY WHEN THERE ARE SEVEN COUNCILMEMBERS MEANS SIX, HOWEVER, BECAUSE THE COUNCILMEMBER HAS FILLED OUT THE TRUE CONFLICT UNDER 171 OF THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE, THE COUNCILMEMBER IS NOW SIX AND PRODUCES FROM FIVE AS OPPOSED TO SIX. JUST WANTED TO STATE THAT. 
          INSTEAD OF THREE FOURTHS IT WILL BE FIVE OF THE SIX OR LIPS 
          >> SIX OF THE FIVE VOTES LIPS >> CORRECT. 
          >> 
          >> OKAY. >> THIS IS AN ALTERNATIVE THAT I BELIEVE THE APPLICANT DISCUSSES WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE DIFFERENCE IS JUST THAT IT -- I CANNOT POINT. NOPE. 
          >> POINT AT THE SIDE SCREEN. 
          >> OKAY. ANYWAY, THE CONNECTION WITH ROLLINGWOOD LANE IT SHOWS A CUL-DE-SAC THAT BACKS UP TO THE CUL-DE-SAC THAT IS ALREADY EXISTING THERE, SO THERE IS NO CONNECTION BETWEEN THE TWO STREETS. SO THAT IS THE DIFFERENCE. 
          >> OKAY, THANK YOU.  I UNDERSTAND THAT THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING, AND I UNDERSTAND THERE ARE QUITE A FEW PEOPLE WHO HAVE DECIDED TO SIGN UP ON THIS CASE SO WE WILL ALLOW THE PUBLIC TO SPEAK AND THEN OPEN IT UP TO QUESTIONS FROM THE COUNCIL TO STAFF OR THE APPLICANT -- 
          CALL THE PUBLIC? >> DENNIS BARCLAY? 
          >> MR. BARCLAY, IF YOU COULD STATE YOUR NAME INTO THE MICROPHONE FOR THE RECORD AND WHETHER OR NOT YOU LIVE WITHIN 
          THE CITY MINUTES. >> I'M DENNIS BARCLAY KNOW THAT 4030 ROLLINGWOOD LANE. I'VE BEEN A RESIDENT 37 YEARS NOW AND I AM ONE OF THE RESIDENCE ON ROLLINGWOOD LANE. AND I SENT OUT A POWER POINT. I THINK EVERYONE SHOULD HAVE A COPY. AND I ALSO SENT OUT AN EMAIL TO EVERYONE ON BOARD OVER THE WEEKEND. I HOPE THAT YOU GET A CHANCE TO REVIEW THAT. BUT IF WE COULD KIND OF GO THROUGH THIS . MY MAIN CONCERN WITH THE DEVELOPMENT IS THE CONNECTION TO ROLLINGWOOD LANE. IT WAS A ROAD DESIGN BACK IN THE 
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70S TO SERVICE THE 15 LOTS THAT ARE ON ROLLINGWOOD. AND OBVIOUSLY IT IS SUBSTANDARD. YOU CAN SEE HERE, UNDERNEATH MY ROAD. AT THAT POINT IT IS ONLY 17.5 FEET WIDE. 
          MY WORRY IS THAT IF WE DID MAKE A CONNECTION TO ROLLINGWOOD LANE, TRAFFIC WOULD BE COMING FROM A 28 FOOT WIDE ROAD ONTO THE 18 FOOT WIDE ROAD IT PROBABLY 30 OR EVEN 40 MILES PER HOUR. WE THINK THAT WOULD BE A SAFETY ISSUE. IF YOU WILL FLIP TO THIS PAGE, HERE IS A PICTURE OF A SCHOOL BUS AND A WASTE TRUCK GOING DOWN THE ROAD AND YOU CAN SEE HOW TIGHT THE ROAD IS AT 18 FEET. IF THERE WAS SOMETHING COMING TOWARDS YOU. SO I THINK THAT MOST OF OUR PEOPLE'S POSITION ON ROLLINGWOOD IS THAT WE ARE OPPOSED TO A THOROUGHFARE CONNECTION TO THE SUBDIVISION . I PUT THIS IN THE EMAIL AND I'M NOT SURE IF EVERYONE HAD A CHANCE TO READ THIS, BUT THE ONLY SUBDIVISIONS THAT I HAVE WITH 40 OR MORE LOTS ARE REQUIRED TO HAVE TWO INTEREST IS -- THE ONLY HAVE 36 LOTS . 
          REALLY, THERE IS NO REQUIREMENT TO HAVE TWO ENTRANCES TO THAT SUBDIVISION. 
          YOU HAVE SEEN BOTH PROPOSALS OF THE PLANTS. WE OBVIOUSLY, ON ROLLINGWOOD LANE, PREFERRED THE PLAT ON THE LEFT, WHICH IS THE PROPOSAL WITH THE CUL-DE-SAC TERMINATION, WHICH WOULD KEEP THIS WITH NO OUTLET TO THE ROAD . AND YOU KNOW, WORST CASE SCENARIO, IF WE DID HAVE A CONNECTION, WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE AN EMERGENCY GATE WITH A LOCK BOX ON IT. SO I HAVE MET HUNTERS SEVERAL TIMES AND I THINK HE IS A QUALITY BUILDER. I DO NOT HAVE ANY OBJECTION TO THE PROPOSAL THAT HE HAS AS FAR AS THE HOUSES HE PUTS ON THE SLOT. IN MY OPINION, HE IS A QUALITY BUILDER AND AS LONG AS WE CAN KEEP THE -- DOWN ON ROLLINGWOOD LANE, WE WOULD BE COMFORTABLE WITH THAT. ANY QUESTIONS? 
          >> NO, SIR. THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS. 
          >> KAREN WIGLEY? >> NOT A SPEAKER, ARE YOU IN 
          SUPPORT OR AN OPPOSITION ARE? >> RICK ORR? 
          >> WELCOME, IF YOU COULD STATE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD AND WHETHER OR NOT 
          >> RICK ORR, AND I'M AT 4021 ROLLINGWOOD LANE. ADJACENT PROPERTIES. IT DOES NOT BACK UP OR CONNECT TO HIS PROPERTY. THEY ARE LOOKING AT, BUT WE ARE ON THE STREET THAT WOULD BE USED. 
          SO AGAIN, I STARTED OUT BEING OPPOSED TO THE HOLE THING, BUT AFTER THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETINGS THAT WE HOLD AND MEETING AND TALKING TO HUNTER, WE THINK THAT WE WOULD PREFER THAT WE MET WITH THAT PROJECT THAT HE IS PROPOSING AS OPPOSED TO WAITING TO SEE WHAT WOULD HAPPEN LATER ON DOWN THE LINE. SO AGAIN, I WOULD RATHER SEE THEM BE IN THE CUL-DE-SAC AT THE END SO THAT THERE IS NO CONNECTION TO ROLLINGWOOD LANE, BECAUSE WE DO ENJOY OUR STREET AND HAVING PRIVACY AND LACK OF TRAFFIC AND LACK OF PEOPLE BEING INVOLVED WITH COMING UP AND DOWN THE ROAD . SO I AM IN SUPPORT NOW OF THE PROJECT AS HE IS LOOKING AT IT. 
          >> JARED OR? >> SIR, IF YOU CONSIDER NAME INTO THE MICROPHONE FOR THE RECORD AND WHETHER OR NOT YOU LIVE IN THE CITY LIMITS AND YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES. 
          >> I LIVE ALSO AT 4021 ROLLINGWOOD. IN THE PAST I OPPOSED THIS DEVELOPMENT, BUT I SWITCHED TO NOW I AM SUPPORTING IT BASED UPON THE ALTERNATE SITE PLAN THAT HUNTER HAS PRESENTED, AND I WANTED TO ADDRESS THE PROPOSED GATE FOR EMERGENCY VEHICLES BETWEEN ROLLINGWOOD AND I OPPOSE THE GATE AS WELL AS ANY CONNECTING STREETS . OUR NEIGHBORHOOD IS FULL OF CUL-DE-SACS AND THEY FUNCTION JUST FINE FOR EMERGENCY ACCESS WITHOUT BEING LINKED . WE CHOSE TO LIVE ON A QUIET STREET, NOT A THOROUGHFARE, AND NO ONE WHO BOUGHT A HOME THERE SIGNED UP FOR THAT. THE DEVELOPER HAS DONE A COMMENDABLE JOB REVISING THE PLANS TO ADDRESS THE NEIGHBORS CONCERNS . THE ONE ACRE MINIMUM LOTS IN THE 90 DEGREE ROAD ENDS DO HELP PRESERVE THE AREA'S CHARACTER AND ALIGN WELL WITH OUR COMMUNITY. I HAVE SEEN NO EVIDENCE OF A CITY CAPITOL PROJECT PROPOSING A THOROUGHFARE 
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HERE, AND I'M NOT AWARE OF ANY -- I HAVE NOT BEEN MADE AWARE OF ANY LEGAL BASIS FOR PLANNING AND ENGINEERING TO FORCE THE DEVELOPER TO BUILD ONE. ESPECIALLY WHEN NEITHER THE RESIDENCE NOR THE DEVELOPER WANT IT. AS DENNIS BARCLAY HIGHLIGHTED, ROLLINGWOOD LANE'S NARROW WIT WOULD ONLY EXACERBATE TRAFFIC ISSUES IF IT WERE TO BE CONNECTED. WE DO NOT LIVE IN A CENTRALLY PLANNED SYSTEM OF GOVERNMENT BUT RATHER A COUNTRY AND STATE IN WHICH LIBERTY AND PROPERTY RIGHTS ARE CORE VALUES. 
          WE HAVE ZONING AND CODES, BUT THE LAST TWO MEETINGS ON THIS ISSUE NO ONE HAS POINTED TO A SPECIFIC LAW MANDATING A THOROUGHFARE. I WOULD SAY THE REVISED PLAN STANDS ON ITS OWN MERITS, AND I URGE YOU TO RESPECT THE BALANCE IT STRIKES BETWEEN DEVELOPMENT AND OUR NEIGHBORHOODS INTEGRITY. 
          >> THANK YOU, SIR. 
          >> JEREMY JOHNSON? >> MR. JOHNSON, STATE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD AND WHETHER OR NOT YOU LIVE IN THE CITY LIMITS 
          . >> JEREMY JOHNSON, HAVE BEEN HERE SINCE 2009 AT 2419 SOMERVILLE DRIVE IN THE SUMMER CREST. ABOUT -- I'M A LITTLE OVER TWO MILES AWAY FROM THE PROJECT. FULL TRANSPARENCY, I WORK WITH HUNTER ON DEVELOPMENTS. I AM HIS REALTOR. BUT I AM ALSO A CITIZEN THAT IS DEVELOPMENTS REASONS. ONE, WORKING WITH HIM AND THE DEVELOPMENT THAT HE DOES AND THE HOUSES HE PUTS ON THESE DEVELOPMENTS ALREADY -- 
          >> SORRY, I'M A LITTLE NERVOUS, HAVE NEVER SPOKE TO THE CITY COUNCIL BEFORE. BUT THEY ONLY IMPROVED THE HOUSES AROUND IT. I HAVE KNOWN THAT BECAUSE IT IS IN MY PROFESSION TO UNDERSTAND HOW THAT WORKS. HE PUTS OUT A VERY QUALITY PROJECT. I BELIEVE THAT HIS LOTS DO NOT SIT ON THE MARKET VERY LONG AND THEY ARE PURCHASED VERY QUICKLY FOR A REASON -- REASON. AND THE QUALITY OF BUILDS THAT GO ON THERE ARE -- I MEAN, I CANNOT SPEAK TO EXACT NUMBERS, BUT IN THE PAST EIGHT OR NINE 1 MILLION+ DOLLAR HOMES AND I KNOW THAT WOULD IMPROVE THE GENERAL AREA WHERE THE PROJECT WILL BE CONSTRUCTED. HUNTER TOLD ME THE OTHER DAY, HE SAID THERE WERE SOME CONCERNS ABOUT DEBRIS, TRASH, YOU KNOW, DUST, WHICH WE HAD A LARGE DUST STORM MOTHER NATURE GAVE US THE OTHER DAY BUT I FEEL LIKE TRASH AND STUFF HE SAID, IF THERE IS TRASH I WILL GO OUT THERE AND PICK IT UP. HE HAS PUT A LOT OF TIME AND EFFORT AND I FEEL LIKE HE HAS GIVEN YOU KNOW, GIVEN EVERYTHING THAT EVERYONE HAS ASKED HIM TO DO TO MAKE THIS WORK . I THINK IT WILL MAKE 36 FAMILIES VERY HAPPY AND TO ENJOY THE CITY THAT I ENJOY. THANK YOU. 
          >> WELCOME, IF YOU COULD STATE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD AND WHETHER OR NOT YOU LIVE IN THE CITY LIMITS. 
          >>, LEVITATING 79 ASHFORD WITHIN THE 200 -- PROPOSED PROJECT . 
          SOME OF MY MAIN CONCERNS IS THE LOCATION OF THE ENTRANCE. 
          CURRENTLY THERE IS -- I LIVE RIGHT NEXT TO THAT -- INAUDIBLE ] FOUR HOUSES IN MY DRIVEWAY, WHICH IS NEXT TO THAT ALSO. THAT INTERSECTION IS VERY DANGEROUS ALREADY. AND I SEE IT BEING A PROBLEM LATER ON ONCE WE START GETTING THE HOUSES POPULATED AND PEOPLE MOVE IN. THE SITE, THE LINE OF SIGHT ON THE ROAD, IT HAS SLOPES IN IT AND WHEN I PULL OUT SOMETIMES THEY COME UP THAT . PRETTY QUICK OFF OF ASHFORD. AND THEY SNEAK UP ON ME PRETTY QUICK AND I KNOW WITH MORE TRAFFIC WILL BE A SAFETY ISSUE. THERE ARE SCHOOL BUSES THERE THAT STOP IN THE MORNING AND THE AFTERNOON TO DROP OFF KIDS RIGHT THERE. THOSE KIDS NOW STAND IN MY DRIVEWAY ON MY GAIT BECAUSE THERE IS NO SIDEWALK OR NOTHING THERE, AND THAT IS JUST A FEW KIDS WITH THE HOUSES. AND I SEE THAT IF THEY HAD MORE HOUSES, THOSE KIDS ARE PROBABLY GOING TO BE STANDING UP IN MY DRIVEWAY AND THAT WOULD BECOME MORE OF A SAFETY ISSUE WITH NO SIDEWALKS OR ANYTHING. 
          AND THEN ANOTHER ISSUE I WANT TO BRING UP IS THE DRAINAGE. 
          RECENTLY, LAST YEAR THEY DID SOME TESTING OR SOMETHING ON THE LAND WHEN THEY BROUGHT SOME DOZERS IN AND STUFF. WHATEVER THEY DID TO DISTURB THE LITTLE AMOUNT THAT THEY DID, TO DISTURB THE LAND HAS CAUSED TO DRAINAGE ISSUES COMING DOWN THAT PRIVATE .. ME AND THE NEIGHBORS BACK THERE CONSTANTLY PUT GRAVEL ON THE ROAD AND IT WASHES DOWN MY DRIVEWAY AND I PICK IT UP AND TAKE IT BACK OVER AND I DON'T WANT THAT TO BECOME A PROBLEM 
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WHERE IT IS INCREASING AND I'M DOING IT EVERY TIME IT RAINS, THAT IS MY JOB. AND ANOTHER THING THAT IS BROUGHT INTO IT, THE WATER, WHEN IT WASHES OVER MY DRIVEWAY, GOES INTO MY NEIGHBORS HOUSE THAT GOES INTO 1883 ASHFORD. AND CALL THE SUBJECT COMPANY TO PUMP IT OUT MORE OFTEN THAN USUAL. 
          SO I KNOW THEY'RE GOING TO DO THE DRAINAGE IN THE DEVELOPMENT. 
          BUT I AM WORRIED THAT ONCE IT LEAVES THE DEVELOPMENT, WILL IT BE OUR PROBLEM. I DON'T WANT TO BE TAKING ON THE PROBLEM FROM THEIR DEVELOPMENT. SO MY BIG THING IS THAT TURN, I DON'T SEE IT AS A GOOD LOCATION FOR AN ENTRANCE, AND BEING THE ONLY WAY IN AND OUT SINCE THEY HAVE ALREADY SHUT DOWN THE BACK WAY AS BEING EMERGENCY USE ONLY. I THINK IT'S REALLY GOING TO CAUSE A STRAIN ON TRAFFIC THERE. 
          SO, AND ALSO YOU KNOW, WITH THE RETENTION PONDS, AND THAT I SPOKE WITH SOME PEOPLE BACK IN PLUM CREEK, AND THEY'RE CURRENTLY GETTING WATER ISSUES ALSO, AND THOSE RETENTION PONDS THAT THEY HAD ON THE MAP ARE GOING BACK IN THE BACK CORNER WHICH WOULD FEED INTO THE PLUM CREEK ISSUE WITH THEIR FLOODING. 
          THAT IS ALL THAT I HAVE TO SAY, SIR. 
          >> THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENT. KEVIN COYNE? 
          >> YOU WILL BE ALLOWED A COUPLE EXTRA MINUTES SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF OTHER PEOPLE. 
          >> MY NAME IS KEVIN COYNE AND I LIVE AT 4220 WHITEHEAD ROAD. I DO WANT TO SAY THAT EXCEPT FOR CHRIS, NONE OF THESE PEOPLE MOVING FORWARD HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH WHERE THE PROPERTY IS OR WHERE IT BORDERS THE PROPERTY AND THIS HAS BEEN ONE OF THE PROBLEMS RIGHT FROM THE START. I TRIED TO CONTACT HUNTER WHEN HE WAS RUNNING HIS FOUR WHEELER AFTER HE CLOSED ON IT AND I WAVED TO HIM, COME OVER HERE, AND HE COMPLETELY IGNORED ME. SO HE REALLY FOCUSED ON THE PEOPLE OVER BY THE GATE AND HAS DONE NOTHING AROUND THE PROPERTY. OKAY, IT IS A GREAT SUBDIVISION. 
          WHAT IS IT CIRCLED BY? VEGETATION. OKAY. WE ARE A DOUGHNUT. WE ARE COMPLETELY AROUND THE PROPERTY AND YOU ARE TRYING TO PUT A SQUARE INSIDE THE MIDDLE OF THE DOUGHNUT. THAT IS THE DIFFERENCE -- THIS IS NOT A QUALITY ISSUE, BUT A DEVELOPMENT ISSUE. ALL RIGHT? THEY JUST TALKED ABOUT THE CORNER, AND YOU COULD HAVE SIX CARS AT THAT INTERSECTION AT ONCE. AND IT IS ALREADY A DANGEROUS CORNER. AND THE FIRST PNC, THEY SAID THERE IS NO SAFE SPOT FOR AN INGRESS EGRESS ON ASHFORD. IT WILL GO UP AND DOWN. I WILL SHOW YOU THAT ANY SECOND. 
          ASHFORD HAS BLIND SPOTS. I WILL TAKE YOU ON THE SOUTH CORNER ON THE GOOGLE ALL THE WAY UP THERE. I'M GOING TO SHOW YOU. WE ARE FOLLOWING A CAR. JUST PULL UP A LITTLE MORE AND YOU CANNOT SEE THE CAR. IT IS IN A GOALIE. DRIVE UP A LITTLE MORE AND GET THE CAR AGAIN , GO UP A LITTLE MORE AS YOU GET TOWARDS THE NASTY INTERSECTION, YOU CANNOT SEE IT. THERE ARE BLIND SPOTS AND GULLIES UP AND DOWN ASHFORD. THIS IS -- YOU SAW THAT SCREEN, OKAY? 90% OF THESE PEOPLE ARE SENIORS AND 82% ARE RETIREES. 
          NONE OF THE SPEAKERS -- THIS IS CHRIS'S LAND ON THE CORNER AND THE OTHER PEOPLE THAT SPOKE, THEY ARE OUT HERE. THEY ARE NOT TO BORDERING THE PROPERTY. AND THAT HAS BEEN A PROBLEM FROM THE START WITH PNC, THAT THEY JUST NEVER -- THEY IGNORED EVERYBODY. 
          NOBODY SPOKE TO HUNTER UNTIL AFTER THE SECOND MEETING WHEN HE GOT IT APPROVED FROM AROUND ANY OF THOSE HOUSES THAT BORDERED THE PROPERTY. AND I TRIED TO DO IT RIGHT FROM THE START . MR. SHEFFIELD, MR. MOORMAN HAVE BEEN TO OUR HOUSE AND SAW THE PROPERTY. HE SAW HOW CLOSE THAT IS RIGHT INTO OUR PROPERTY. AND HOW, IF THERE IS NOISE YOU CAN HEAR A MOUSE RUN IT IS SO QUIET. 
          AND THIS COULD HAVE BEEN TALKED ABOUT FROM THE START. YOU KNOW, MAYBE SAVE SOMEBODY SOME MONEY AND A LOT OF US A LOT OF TIME. 
          THERE WERE A COUPLE NOTES FROM IT BEFORE ON THE THOROUGHFARE. 
          IT SAYS THE ROAD DESIGNED WILL BE IN ITS CURRENT STANDARD OF 28 FEET. ASTRID IS 28 FEET WIDE. THAT STREET, IT IS ONLY 20 FEET WIDE AND NOT MUCH MORE THAN ROLLINGWOOD. 
          IN ADDITION , WE HAVE 5 1/2 ACRES, THAT IS THE AVERAGE ACREAGE AROUND THE PROPERTY, NOT ONE, NOT ONE ACRE. AT ONE ACRE, IT SAYS THAT IT WILL AIM TO PRESERVE THE RURAL CHARACTER OF THE SURROUNDING AREA AND I DON'T SEE HOW 36 ONE ACRE LOTS IN A DEVELOPMENT KEEPS A RURAL AREA. 
          THESE ARE TRANSCRIPTS. WE TALKED ABOUT HUNTER WAS SHOCKED WITH 
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THE PAUSE. THAT IS THE DIFFERENCE FROM THE DEVELOPMENT. 
          I'M NOT SAYING THAT IS A BAD DEVELOPMENT. AGAIN, YOU'RE DROPPING THIS IN THE MIDDLE OF A COMMUNITY. AND THIS WAS KIND OF -- THE CONFERENCE OF PLAN IS TWO ACRES AND IN THE LAST MEETING HUNTER IS TALKING ABOUT HE WANTED IT DONE RIGHT THERE AND NOT DRAG THIS OUT. HE HAS DRAG THIS OUT. THIS IS THE FOURTH TIME WE HAVE HAD TO COME UP TO GO OVER THIS. AND THEY MIGHT SAY IF WE DON'T GET IT NOW, THE WOMAN IS DYING, SHE MIGHT PASS AWAY AND HER HEIRS MIGHT GO BACK TO THE BANK AND IF THEY DON'T PAY TAXES, THE BANK COULD TAKE IT. THIS WAS DEEDED TO THE FAMILY FOR $10.30 YEARS AGO. I WAS SURPRISED THEY OWE ANY MONEY, AND THEIR TAXES ARE $120 PER YEAR BECAUSE THEY ARE POOR AG ZONE, SO THAT SCARE TACTIC. WHAT HAPPENED, A COUPLE MEMBERS OF PMC PICKED UP ON THAT AND SAID WE NEED TO GET THAT DONE. 
          AND THEN THE COMMENT WAS MADE, WE DO NOT WANT TEENY TINY HOMES. 
          MY UNDERSTANDING OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS THAT IT HAS TO GO ALL THE WAY THROUGH PNZ AND THEN COME TO YOU TO BE APPROVED, AND THAT WOULD BE TOTALLY AGAINST THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN OF TWO ACRES, AND WE ARE FIGHTING NOW TO HAVE AN EXCEPTION OF ONE ACRE. SO THIS THREATENING OF TEENY TINY HOMES, THIS IS A DIRECT QUOTE FROM -- "THE FIRST AND THE SECOND, MIDLOTHIAN STAFF DENIED THIS, THE RECOMMENDATION WAS DENIAL IN THIS TWICE. THE FIRST TIME AND THERE IS THE LATEST. IT SHOWS DENIED. AND RIGHT HERE, IT SAYS CONCERNS, LOT SIZE VARIANCE. WELL, THE VARIANCE, THAT IS GREAT. EVERYBODY IS A HERO FOR THE VARIANCE BUT ALL THE VARIANCE WAS WAS BRINGING IT UP TO CODE AND THERE WAS NO BIG EXCEPTION. IT WAS AN EXCEPTION AND IT IS A BIG HERO AND IT IS BRING IT UP TO CODE. LOT SIZE, NOBODY TALKS ABOUT LOT SIZE. NOBODY TALKED ABOUT THE BORDERING OF THESE PROPERTIES AND THE HOMES AND WHAT WILL HAPPEN TO THE DRAINAGE. WE HAVE HORRIBLE DRAINAGE AND WE ARE ON THE SOUTH END OF IT. WE HAVE TO REDIRECT OUR DRAINAGE TO GO DOWN OUR DRIVEWAY AND OUR NEIGHBOR'S DRIVEWAY. 
          >> COULD YOU WRAP YOUR COMMENTS UP, PLEASE? COULD YOU WRAP YOUR 
          COMMENTS UP HER LIPS >> THE LAST THINK I WAS GOING TO CLOSE. THANK YOU, ALL OF YOU FOR YOUR TIME. SOME OF YOU WE HAVE MET IN PERSON. WE APPRECIATE THAT. AND I APPRECIATE EVERYBODY THAT WORKED HARD TO GET US TO THIS POINT. TAKE YOU FOR THE EXTRA TIME AND FOR ALL OF YOUR HELP. 
          >> NO OTHER SPEAKERS? OKAY, THANK YOU, TAMMY. 
          MARY, IF YOU WANT TO COME BACK UP, AND WITH NO OTHER PUBLIC COMMENT I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. 
          MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING BY COUNCILMAN HAMMOND AND SECONDED BY RODGERS. PLEASE VOTE. 
          AND THE PUBLIC HEARING DOES CLOSE 6-0. 
          CAPTIONERS ] 
          >> DO WE HAVE QUESTIONS FROM THE APPLICANT, OR STAFF IN GENERAL? 
          >> A QUICK QUESTION ON THE SUPER MAJORITY. 
          VOLUME ] >> MR. COYNE SAID THAT THEY ARE 
          OUTSIDE OF THE 200 FEET. >> ROSS? 
          >> SO, YOU GUYS HAVE DEALT WITH A LOT OF PROPERTY AROUND QUALITY PROJECTS . A LOT OF OUR RESIDENTS HAVE BEEN ANNEXED OVER THE YEARS. MY MAIN CONCERN IS RELATING TO MY PASSION OF THE COPPERHEADS OF PLAN. I READ IT SLIGHTLY DIFFERENTLY THAN MOST OTHER PEOPLE DO. THERE IS A 48 ACRE TRACT , AND THE COMP PLAN FOR THE MODULE HAS THIS ON SIMILAR SIZE PROPERTIES. IN THE ASK IS FOR 36, WHICH IS 150% WHAT THAT WOULD BE. IF WE WERE SOMEWHERE IN THE 27 TO 28 RANGE , TO ME, THAT IS A VIABLE TOLERANCE. BUT I WOULD RATHER SEE THIS SOMEWHERE IN THAT TO 
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BLOCK COUNT IN THAT 24 TO 28 LOT RANGE , EVEN IF IT IS RIGHT OUT OF ASHFORD. YOU KNOW, TO ME, THAT IS MORE WITH THE CONFERENCE OF PLAN SAYS SHOULD BE OUT THERE. 
          >> I WANT TO SAY I AM NOT GRANDFATHERED INTO APPLY TO THIS. BUT WHEN I DID APPLY, THE COPPERHEADS OF PLAN DID REFLECT THAT. I FELT THAT I HAD TO GO THROUGH ALMOST 10 DIFFERENT REDESIGNS ON THIS WITH PLANNING, AND THAT IS NOT THEIR FAULT, THAT IS USUALLY JUST GOING BACK AND FORTH. IT IS A LITTLE BIT MORE REDESIGNED THAN I HAD TO. WHEN I WANT TO P AND Z, THEY DID THE LAYOUT. THERE WERE VARIOUS OTHER ISSUES, BUT I SENT THAT TO BRIAN BEFORE HE LEFT , AND HE WAS LIKE, WE WERE NOT GRANDFATHERED IN. I WAS LIKE, TRUE, BUT IT WAS JUST ONE ACRE NOT THAT LONG AGO. THE COPPERHEADS OF PLAN JUST CHANGED. I FEEL LIKE I SHOULD GET A FAIR LOOK. 
          >> WITH ALL RESPECT TO THE FOLKS WHO LIVE AT ROLLINGWOOD , I STRUGGLE WITH INGRESS EGRESS. I ALSO UNDERSTAND THE CONSTRAINTS OF THE QUALITY OF THAT STREET. AS ONE THAT DRIVES THAT ROUTE , THAT IS A STRUGGLE FOR ME. THERE IS SOMETHING HE SAID ABOUT THE SCHOOL BUSES AND THE BLIND SPOTS. FOR ME, THE STRUCTURE IS NOT THERE. IT'S NO FAULT OF YOURS. THAT'S THE FAULT OF THE CITY . BUT I STRUGGLE WITH THE AMOUNT OF HOMES THAT ARE THERE . 
          I GET YOUR ARGUMENT ABOUT THE COMPREHENSIVE CHANGE. THE REALITY OF IT IS THE QUANTITY OF HOMES WE ARE PUTTING ON AN AREA THAT HAS A LACK OF INFRASTRUCTURE IS AN ISSUE . 
          >> YEAH. I AM IN THE SAME BALLPARK. AT LEAST WITH THE ENTRANCE AREA AND THE CURB THAT IS THERE AND THE DRIVEWAYS THAT ARE COMING OUT AND THAT ENTRANCE AREA. WHERE IS THE SCHOOL BUS STOP? THEY ARE GOING TO NEED A LOCATION WERE ALL OF THE KIDS COME . IS THAT WHERE THE SCHOOL BUS STOP IS? 
          >> IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD , WHICH IS ANOTHER ONE WE BUILT , THEY USUALLY STOP AT EACH HOUSE. IF THERE ARE A COUPLE OF HOUSES, THERE ARE TWO LADIES WHO LIVED DOWN THE STREET FOR ME, THEY ARE ALL IN THE SAME CLASS. THEY STOP, AND THEN THEY DRIVE ALL THE WAY TO THE NEXT OUTLINE, STOP, AND THEN MY KIDS GET OFF. 
          THERE IS NOT A CENTRAL PICKUP SPOT ON THESE. USUALLY GO HOUSE TO HOUSE TO HOUSE. I KNOW IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD, IT'S ABOUT A 
          QUARTER OF A MILE DOWN. >> THANKFULLY I DON'T HAVE ANY CHILDREN THAT WOULD COMPLAIN ABOUT THAT . I WALKED IN THE SNOW . BUT I GET THE IMPRESSION THAT IN A LOCATION THAT THERE WILL BE CHILDREN , THERE IS PROBABLY A LOT OF HOMELESS NEIGHBORS HOMED IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD BASED ON THE COMMENTS THAT WERE MADE. WE DO HAVE THE ONE ENTRANCE THAT IS RIGHT THERE. THE MAYOR SAID THAT IS NOT YOUR FAULT. ANY MORE THAN THE COPPERHEADS OF PLAN CHANGES YOUR FAULT. THAT WAS, YOU KNOW, A LONG PROCESS THAT I WAS ONLY INVOLVED WITH FOR SIX WEEKS. I GUESS THAT WOULD BE ANOTHER ISSUE THAT I WOULD POINT OUT. IF WE GO THROUGH THAT KIND OF PROCESS, IS THERE A PROCESS FOR US AS A COUNCIL? THE OTHER THING THAT I ALSO HAVE AND JUST LOOKING AT THAT PROPERTY IS THE DRAINAGE. OBVIOUSLY, THERE ARE CERTAIN GUIDELINES AND LAWS WITH LOTS TAKEN UP TO TAKE CARE OF SOME OF THAT. BUT THAT WHOLE ACREAGE SITS ABOVE WHAT GETS AROUND 4000 FEET IN THE WEST. AND I CAN JUST IMAGINE , YOU KNOW, YOU PUT A BUNCH OF CONCRETE IN THE STREETS AND THAT SORT OF THING , THERE IS GOING TO BE SOME DRAINAGE ISSUES. EVEN 
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D.C. HAS GUIDELINES AND REQUIREMENTS. I CAN JUST IMAGINE MY OWN MIND HOW THAT IS GOING TO AFFECT. 
          >> WHEN WE DO THE DITCHES IN BETWEEN THE ROADS, WE DO SPLIT STUDIES. WE TRY TO BUILD THOSE PADS AND ANGLE THEM DOWN TO WHERE IT WENT MAKES ALL THE WATER GO DOWN THE STREET. THERE ARE LOT PONDS OR RETENTION PONDS OR WHATEVER YOU WANT TO CALL THEM, AND ALL OF THE CONTOURS, I AM NOT AN ENGINEER, BUT I HAVE TALKED WITH ENOUGH OF THEM TO BE DANGEROUS. I CAN TELL YOU, THESE ARE OVERENGINEERED PONDS. I WAS LIKE, WHY ARE THEY SO DEEP? CAN I TAKE ONE OUT? BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY IF I DON'T WANT TO DO DOWN THAT DEEP, I DON'T WANT TO HAVE TO DO THAT. BUT HE'S LIKE, NO, YOU CAN'T. SO I WAS LIKE, WELL, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TO DO IT. THE ONLY TIME I HAVE EVER HAD A TRUE DRAINAGE PROBLEM ON A PROJECT AS HORSESHOE MEADOWS, WHICH IS IN THE CITY OF MIDLOTHIAN, AND THAT ONE, IT WAS NOT TO THE LEVEL OF THESE, AND IT WAS MORE LIKE WE DUG, I DON'T KNOW IF WE CONTEND TALK CALL IT A RETENTION POND. IT RAINED A LOT AND SOME WATER, THE NEIGHBORS PROPERTY. THERE ARE CHALLENGES LIKE THAT THAT DO ARISE, BUT WE ALWAYS REMEDY THE SITUATION. WE NEVER JUST LEAVE SOMETHING BROKEN. I USUALLY DO IT ON MY OWN DIME. I DON'T GO TO A CONTRACTOR SAYING HEY, CAN YOU PAY FOR THIS? OR HEY, YOU DID THIS WRONG. IT'S USUALLY ME WHO HAS TO PAY FOR IT. 
          >> ONE THING I WILL SAY, YOU DO QUALITY WORK. I WILL MAKE THAT STATEMENT. I HAVE SEEN A LOT OF YOUR WORKAROUND. YOU DO VERY QUALITY WORK, AND I APPRECIATE THE WORK THAT YOU HAVE DONE. IN THE CITY, OUTSIDE THE CITY, YOU EVEN CAME IN THE CITY FOR MANY YEARS. BUT I ALSO WONDER , IF WE WENT TO 24 , I AGREE THAT THE PROPERTY OWNERS ARE THEIR OWN PERSON, AND THIS NEEDS TO BE DEVELOPED SOMEDAY, SOMEHOW , AND I ALSO KNOW THE DEVELOPER . THEY 
          NEVER SEEM TO WORK. >> THEY DO. 
          >> I DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT. THERE ARE CONCERNS AROUND THREE ISSUES. THESE ARE ISSUES THAT I DON'T SEE BEING SETTLED WITH 36, MAYBE 24 . THEY MAY NOT GO TO ONE ACRE , BUT IT COULD BE. 
          MAYBE. I AM NOT AN ENGINEER , BUT THOSE ARE THE CHIEF CONCERNS THAT I HAVE AND HAVE TRIED TO LOOK INTO MYSELF. 
          >> I APPRECIATE THAT AND APPRECIATE YOU FOR YOUR COMPLIMENT. I JUST WANT TO SAY, EVERYONE ACRE PROJECT WE BROUGHT TO THE CITY , EVERYBODY HAS GOT MY NUMBER. MY NUMBER IS ON SIGNS AROUND TOWN. THEY CAN CALL ME AND MEET WITH ME ANYTIME. I HAVEN'T HAD ANYBODY CALL ME IN TWO YEARS TO COMBINE ABOUT ANYTHING. LAST TIME I DID, I WENT THERE AND FIXED IT. I COULD HAVE JUST SAID OH, YOU NEED TO CALL THE CITY. I NEED TO TALK TO SCOTT TOMORROW, AND HE WAS LIKE, DID YOU TAKE CARE OF THIS? THIS IS THE MOST PUSHBACK I HAVE EVER GOTTEN ON A ONE ACRE PRODUCT , AND WE HAVE GOT A LOT OF HIGH DENSITY PRODUCTS IN THIS TOWN. 
          AND I SEE THOSE GOING RIGHT THROUGH. WHEN I TRY TO DO THIS , IT'S LIKE, WAIT, WE CAN'T DO THIS. I UNDERSTAND IT IS THE COPPERHEADS OF PLAN , BUT I DID APPLY BEFOREHAND. I WAS NOT REALLY TRYING TO BUCK THE SYSTEM. I AM A PERSEVERE . THAT IS LIKE WHY DO YOU KEEP GOING TO THIS? AND IT'S LIKE, IT'S A PIECE OF PROPERTY. I AM NOT TRYING TO USE A SCARE TACTIC AND SAY THAT BLOOMFIELD WILL BUY IT, BUT THERE IS A BACKUP OFFER. I DON'T KNOW WHO IT IS , BUT SOMETHING LIKE THAT COULD HAPPEN. IT MIGHT NOT HAPPEN NOW, BUT THEY COULD BUY IT AND SIT ON IT. THEY HAVE DEEPER POCKETS THAN ME. THEY GET SET ON IT FOREVER UNTIL ALL OF YOU GUYS AREN'T HERE ANYMORE AND IT IS 
          10 YEARS DOWN THE ROAD. >> THERE IS STILL A CONFERENCE OF THAT USED TO BE MOVED IN THE FUTURE. 
          >> YES, SIR. >> ONE LAST COMMENT. SEVERAL CONCERNS I HAVE, OBVIOUSLY I LIVE IN AN AREA WHERE IT GOES DOWN TO 2 1/2 MILLION. WE DID HAVE FIVE ACRE LOTS . THERE ARE SEVERAL OTHER LOTS . WE HAD ONE GUY IN A 10 ACRE PLACE DOING ONE ACRE LOTS. THERE HAVE BEEN SEVERAL OF THOSE AROUND THE CITY. AND I RECOGNIZE THAT BECAUSE I AM ONE OF THEM. I 
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LIVED THERE. AND A LOT OF THAT HAS TO DO WITH INFRASTRUCTURES . 
          THAT'S NOT YOUR FAULT. LIKE I SAID, THE INFRASTRUCTURES, THE ROADWAYS , THEY MIGHT HAVE 36 LOTS OR HOMES. YOU'RE TALKING AT LEAST 72 VEHICLES. IS A MAJOR ARTERY TO GET IN AND OUT OF THE SCHOOL , AND THE DRAINAGE ISSUE , I HAVE A BIT ON THE COUNCIL FOR REAL LONG, BUT I DO KNOW , AND SINCE MOST OF THE ISSUES THAT YOU HAVE WITH THE DRAINAGE AROUND HERE OR THE AREAS AT THE END OF THE NAME OR THE BEGINNING OF THE NAME, THIS ONE IS RIGHT ABOVE CLONE CREEK. I RECOGNIZE THAT. THAT IS WHERE MOST OF ALL OF THE DRAINAGE ISSUES WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH, THOSE ARE SOME CONCERNS. BUT I CAN'T SEE FIVE YEARS DOWN THE WAY. THERE ARE A FEW HOUSES THERE , AND ALL OF THAT IS STARTING TO HAPPEN. WHAT I CAN SAY IS THIS IS WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE IN THE ENGINEERING BOOK. THOSE ARE JUST SOME CONCERNS THAT I WANT TO MAKE 
          NOTE OF. >> THANK YOU. 
          >> ANYBODY ELSE? >> SO, LET ME ASK YOU THIS, HUNTER. WITH SOME OF THE THINGS THAT GOT BROUGHT UP, IS THERE A RECOMMENDED WAY TO PUT UP 21 ACRE LOTS OR WHATEVER THE NUMBER IS, AND THEN FEATHER OUT INTO EIGHT OR WHATEVER IT IS LARGER 
          LOTS IN THE BACK? >> MAYBE FIVE YEARS AGO , BUT I THINK YOU WILL HAVE SEE WITH THE PRICE OF THE WAY THAT EVERYTHING HAS GONE UP, I CAN'T REALLY BELIEVE IT WHEN I LOOK AT SOME OF MY CONTRACTORS AND THEY TELL ME THE PRICE OF THINGS. I HAVE BUILT IS COMING TO ME SING WIRE YOUR LOT SO EXPENSIVE? THINK I AM TRYING TO COUNT THEM. "NO, IT'S BECAUSE PIPES WENT UP 300%. EVERYTHING IS UP. SO, NO, THERE IS NO WAY I CAN MAKE THE DENSITY LESS AND PAY HER PRICE. WHAT I WOULD HAVE TO DO IS GO BACK TO HER AND SAY HEY, LOOK, YOU WILL HAVE TO TAKE $900,000.00 OFF, AND SHE IS PROBABLY GOING TO SAY NO , AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT WOULD HAPPEN. I HAVE NEVER HAD TO DO THAT. YOU 
          KNOW? >> HAVE THERE BEEN ANY REVISIONS THAT INCLUDED ANY MIXTURE OF LARGER LOTS ON SOME OF THOSE 
          PROVISIONS? >> NO. I HAVE A REALLY SIMPLE MAP THAT I USE . WHETHER IT IS A TWO-ACRE LOTTERY ONE ACRE LOT OR IT GOES DOWN, WE HAVE DONE THE MATH FOR A DIFFERENT PROJECT FOR A QUARTER AND A HALF-ACRE LOTS, AND IT STILL COMES UP AS THE SAME PRICE PER LOT. WHEN I GO TO A CONTRACTOR, IT'S LIKE THE SAME AMOUNT OF WORK THEY HAVE TO DO. AND I'M LIKE, OKAY. IT CHANGES A LITTLE BIT, BUT IS NOT A DRASTIC CHANGE WHEN YOU START GOING TO BIGGER LOTS. IT DOES NOT REALLY HELP PRICE OR COST 
          WISE. >> GOTCHA. OKAY. YEAH, WE HAVE TALKED ON THE PHONE , AND I'M PRETTY FAMILIAR WITH THE PROJECT. I MET WITH SOME OF THESE FOLKS THAT SHARED EARLIER. 
          YOU KNOW, I UNDERSTAND THERE ARE SOME COMPLEXITY IS WITH THE TIMING OF THE SUBMISSION , AND WAS IN AT THE TIME. CAN I GET CLARITY? BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW , AND SOMEBODY MIGHT HAVE ALREADY SAID IT AND I JUST MISSED IT, WAS IT SF TWO IN THE PRIOR COMP 
          PLAN? >> EXCUSE ME. SINGLE-FAMILY TWO IS A ZONING DISTRICT. THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP IS MORE BROAD THAN 
          THAT. >> OH, I'M SORRY, OKAY. 
          >> THE COUNTRY MODULE RECOMMENDED ONE ACRE LOTS . 
          >> GOT IT. >> THIS ONE AMENDS TO ACRE LOTS. 
          >> SO THE PRIOR COMP PLAN HAD SOME LANGUAGE DOWN TO ONE ACRE, AND THEN THE NEW ONE IS SPECIFIC TO 2+. IS THAT CORRECT? 
          >> THAT'S CORRECT. >> I GET ALL OF THAT. I APPRECIATE IT. I GET THAT, AND I ALSO GET THIS PERSON WITH THIS PROPERTY IS , YOU KNOW, GOT SOME RIGHTS TO DO SOMETHING WITH IT. 
          I WOULD LOVE IT IF WE COULD FIND SOMETHING THAT IS FEASIBLE THAT COULD GET SUPPORT. BUT, I MEAN, I SEE A LOT OF THE COMPLEXITIES. 
          I THINK THERE ARE FAIR POINTS THAT HAVE BEEN MADE TONIGHT IN SUPPORT AND IN OPPOSITION. SO, I THINK THIS IS A TOUGH ONE. I APPRECIATE THE WORK -- APPRECIATE THE WORK YOU DID WITH STAFF REVISING IT, TRYING TO COME UP WITH NEW SOLUTIONS , AND 
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THEY ALSO APPRECIATE THE PROCESS . I THINK THIS IS JUST A TOUGH 
          CASE . >> I PULL INTO THIS ONE , BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW HOW TO GET THIS MOUSE TO WORK CORRECTLY. I WANT YOU ALL TO SEE AT THE END OF THE CUL-DE-SAC, THIS WAS ONE THAT I HAD IT REFINED A LITTLE BETTER, BECAUSE I KNOW THAT YOU ALL DON'T WANT GATES. I DON'T CARE EITHER WAY. IT'S A BIG STREET CONNECTED TO A SMALL STREET. I GET THAT. A GATES PURPOSES FOR EMERGENCY VEHICLES. BUT THIS DRAWING, THE ONE I HAD MY ENGINEER DO, WE DID A LITTLE RENDERING WHERE IT SHOWS LITTLE STONES , AND IT'S LIKE, THERE CAN BE THAT. SO, IT WOULD BE THIS WITH THE GATE OR CONNECTION WITH THE GATE. I WAS TRYING MY BEST NOT TO DISTURB ANY MORE PROPERTIES. SO, THAT'S WHAT I 
          WAS TRYING TO DO THERE. >> I MEAN, IT'S A GOOD POINT. 
          IS THAT CORRECT, MARY? AGREE. I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY REASON TO CONNECT THEM. I DO LIKE THE WAY THIS VARIANT IS DESIGNED. YOU KNOW, THE ROLLINGWOOD IS BROUGHT INTO CITY STANDARD AT SOME POINT. 
          INAUDIBLE - LOW VOLUME ] BUT, WHO KNOWS WHAT 20 YEARS FROM TODAY LOOKS LIKE. THAT MAY BECOME VIABLE. AT LEAST THAT IS AN ANSWER FOR THAT FUTURE POTENTIAL LAND-USE PLAN. I THINK THERE IS GOING TO BE SOME CONCERNS, LIKE COMMISSIONER SHUFFLIED AND WITH THE DRAINAGE. IT HAS A HOLE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE PROPERTY , AND KIND OF SHEDS FROM THERE. YOU KNOW, I THINK IT'S GOING TO BE A CHALLENGE ON THE STREETS, BECAUSE SOME OF IT IS NATURAL WORKING BACK AWAY FROM THE STREETS , BUT, YOU KNOW, THE DEEPER THE PIT IS, THE MORE WATER IT HOLDS. 
          >> ACTUALLY, I HAVE SOME THINGS COMPLETED ON THIS. I GUESS I THOUGHT, CONSIDERING THE OLD COMP PLAN, I SAID YES, GET SYMBOLS DONE, BECAUSE THIS SHOULD FLY THROUGH. BECAUSE THIS IS IN LINE WITH EVERYTHING WE HAVE DONE IN THE PAST. HE DID NOT REALLY EXPECT THIS MUCH . BUT IF YOU LOOK AT THE SYMBOLS, WHICH I DON'T HAVE THOSE BECAUSE WE WILL HAVE TO CHANGE THEM AFTER THIS, BUT THE MOOD 75,000 YARDS OF DIRT. THAT IS GOING TO BE REDUCED AND BE A FLAT PIECE OF LAND. I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE ARE GOING TO DO WITH ALL OF THAT DIRT. BECAUSE A LOOK AT MY EXCAVATION, AND I'M LIKE, WHY IS THIS SO HIGH? IN MY ENGINEERING IS LIKE, WE NEED TO DO THAT TO MAKE THIS JOURNEY. I SEE THE ELEVATION LINES THERE. IT WOULD SHOW THAT THAT IS ALL GOING TO BE REDUCED DOWN TO FLAT. 
          >> 
          >> 
          >> NOT ANYTHING OF THIS VOLUME IN 24 ACRE TRACKS. MY FAMILY MOVED HERE IN 1980. I WAS BLESSED BEING ABLE TO START SERVING IN THE CITY IN 1999. I AM PROOF THAT A HILLBILLY CAN GET ON COUNSEL. I GOT ON THE COUNCIL IN 2011 BECAUSE I WANTED TO SERVE. WHEN WE MOVED HERE, THERE WERE 35, 3800 PEOPLE. BY THE TIME I GOT ON COUNSEL, THERE WAS ABOUT 11,000. YOU CAN SEE HOW GOOD I HAVE BEEN AT WHAT I ATTEMPTED TO DO. WE ARE THE EIGHTH FASTEST GROWING COUNTY IN THE NATION. SO, UNTIL THE STATE 
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FIGURES OUT HOW TO PUT A GATE UP TO KEEP PEOPLE FROM COMING IN , I GET THE SITUATION ON THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY. I SEE THE COMPREHENSIVE SIDE , WHICH I HAVE STATED A LOT OF MY BELIEF UPON. THAT WE SHOULD ABIDE BY THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN STRUCTURE. I WILL ALSO SAY I AM NOT A DEVELOPER. BUT I DO KNOW THIS FAMILY, AND I HAVE WATCHED THEM DEVELOP FOR YEARS. I CAN TELL YOU, FRANKLY, YOU WON'T GET A BETTER DEVELOPER. I CAN GIVE YOU ONE. I WILL CALL IT A FOOLPROOF TREATMENT . IF THIS DOES NOT END UP AS ACRE LOTS , IT WILL END UP IN SOMETHING. 
          BECAUSE WHAT I HAD TO LEARN WHAT I GOT ON COUNSEL WAS EVERYTHING HAS A USE. AND DUE TO ALL OF THESE PEOPLE COMING IN WITH THE STUDY, LENSES HAVE GONE THROUGH THE ROOF. NOW THAT IT IS GOING THROUGH THE ROOF , IT IS NOT APPLICABLE, IN MY OPINION, TO HAVE THREE OR $400,000.00 LOTS. I JUST LOOKED UP A MINUTE AGO FOUR ACRE LOTS. I DON'T KNOW WHO HAS GOT THAT KIND OF MONEY. 
          I DON'T. I GET THE IMPACT THAT THIS CAUSES. MY FEAR IS THAT IF WE DON'T MOVE IN A DIRECTION TO GO WITH SOMETHING THAT OUR CITY CAN SEE IS A POSITIVE, WHAT COULD BE THE ALTERNATIVE? I FEAR THAT SOMEONE WILL BUY THIS PROPERTY AND SET ON IT , AND THEN YOU WILL HAVE QUARTER ACRE LOTS . I'M ALMOST CONFIDENT IN THAT. BECAUSE THAT IS JUST WHERE WE ARE AT. JUST FIVE YEARS AGO , WE WERE HANDLING ONE IN 200 ACRE LACK TRACKS OF LAND LIKE THIS ONE. NOW WE ARE BUYING 10 AND 20 ACRE TRACTS WITH HOUSES ON IT. 
          SO, THIS WOULD BE A HUGE PIECE OF PROPERTY IN THREE TO FIVE YEARS. SO, I THINK THE PROBLEM WITH THE IN AND OUT , IT'S ORDINANCE BASED TO ALLOW FOR IT AT THIS POINT. I THINK THE PROPERTY OWNERS, AND I DO LIKE THIS PLAN , THEY WERE SAID TO DEPEND UPON -- I HAVE SPOKEN WITH SOME OF THOSE FOLKS . I DON'T REALLY KNOW. I GET THE DRAINAGE IN THIS . BUT THIS CONVERSATION HAS BROUGHT TO LIFE A LOT BIGGER PROBLEMS THAN THE ONE WE ARE TALKING ABOUT. WHEN YOU REALIZE THAT WE HAVE A LOT OF FOLKS THAT HAVE BEEN ANNEXED THAT WERE IN THE COUNTY, AND THE COUNTY HAS DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS , THEY DEVELOP THEIR HOUSE ON THEIR LOT , IT'S INSIGHT. SO, THERE IS NO MASTER PLAN. THERE IS NO DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS ON THIS LITTLE PIECE OF PROPERTY. 
          AND NOW THAT IT HAS BEEN ANNEXED IN , AND THERE IS DEVELOPMENT AROUND THEM , WE ARE STARTING TO GET INTO SOME ISSUES THAT ARE VERY INTERESTING. I GUESS I WOULD HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU . 
          DOES THIS WORK? I HAVE STUDIED , NOT JUST NOW, BUT IN THE RECENT YEARS -- JOE, CORRECT ME IF I AM WRONG . THAT IS ON A PROPERTY BY PROPERTY BASIS. IT'S NOT A MULTIPLE PROPERTY. RIGHT? 
          >> DON'T THINK WE'RE IN THE POSITION AS A CITY FOR, IF WE ARE CONCERNED FOR OUR PROPERTY, IF THE PROPERTY HAS BEEN ENGINEERED -- 
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          >> THAT WOULD BE CORRECT. >> PARDON ME? 
          >> THAT WOULD BE CORRECT. THERE ARE ADDITIONAL STANDARDS ON TOP 
          OF THAT. >> SO, THIS IS A REAL QUANDARY. 
          I BELIEVE IF IT GETS WALKED AWAY FROM, IT WILL BE REAL INTERESTING TO SEE WHAT COMES OUT OF IT. 
          >> I WILL START OFF BY SAYING I REALLY LIKE LAST DEVELOPMENT. 
          SO, I DON'T THINK THAT THIS AT ALL IS A QUALITY ISSUE. I DO HAVE A LOT OF HEARTBURN OVER US HAVING THREE TO FOUR MONTHS REMOVED OF ALL OF US SAYING WE WANT TO ACRE LOTS HERE. IT REALLY STINKS THAT YOU GOT IN THE MIDDLE OF THAT. BUT I WOULD NOT BE GOOD WITH GOING THROUGH ROLLINGWOOD. I HONESTLY FEEL LIKE BECAUSE WE ARE GROWING SO FAST , I WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOME BIG OLD LOTS HERE. BUT I PERSONALLY JUST CAN'T COME OFF THE COMP PLAN RIGHT NOW. IT'S JUST A NIGHTMARE RIGHT THERE. 
          THESE GUYS HAVE SAID A LOT THERE, AND I SECOND THEM. THOSE 
          ARE MY BELIEFS THERE. >> JUMPING OFF OF SOMETHING MR. ROGERS SAID A FEW MOMENTS AGO, AS IT WAS SAID EARLIER, WHAT THE CITY HAS DONE , IT'S INTERESTING TO ME. HE SAID THERE WOULD BE A LOT OF DIRT. YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT BRINGING THAT DOWN AS PART OF THAT CIVIL ENGINEERING WORK ? 
          >> I AM NOT, BYE-BYE ENGINEERING GROUP IS. THERE IS JUST NO WAY THAT THAT WON'T BE FLATTER THAN 75,000 YARDS. 
          >> YOU KNOW HOW MUCH? >> I DON'T, SIR, NO. BUT I DID EDGE WITH THE STATES . THEY ARE BOTH KIND OF THE SAME SIZE AS THIS. IT WAS, LIKE, 40,000 YARDS. I THOUGHT THEY HAD MADE A MATHEMATICAL MISTAKE. I WAS LIKE, NO, WAY. 
          >> I JUST WANTED TO ASK A QUESTION. I HAVE THREE ISSUES I TALKED ABOUT. AND THEN THE TRAFFIC FLOW SUBMISSION. 
          >> YOU KNOW, WITHOUT TURNING , THAT HER TURN IN ASHFORD INTO THE INTERSECTION , WILL THAT BECOME A THREE-WAY STOP? 
          >> I BELIEVE SO. >> WITH THAT, I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION ON THIS CASE. NO MOTIONS? I WILL MAKE THE MOTION TO DENY. 
          >> CAN I MAKE A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT? TO MAKE A DENIAL 
          WITHOUT PREJUDICE? >> I WILL ACCEPT THAT. I WILL ACCEPT THAT AMENDMENT. A MOTION TO DENY WITHOUT PREJUDICE? DO WE HAVE A SECOND? MOTION MADE BY MYSELF , SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER SHUFFLIED. NO, THIS WOULD NOT REQUIRE SUPER MAJORITY ON THAT. A MOTION TO DENY IT DOES NOT REQUIRE SUPER MAJORITY. 
          PLEASE VOTE. THE MOTION TO DENY PASSES 5-1. THANK YOU, MA'AM. 
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OR, YEP, THANK YOU, MARY. MOVING ON TO THE SECOND PUBLIC HEARING , 2025-088 , CONTINUE A PUBLIC HEARING AND CONSIDER AND ACT UPON AN ORDINANCE RELATED TO THE USE OF DEVELOPMENT OF 33+ OR MINUS ACRES IN NUMBER 933, CITY MIDLOTHIAN. CHANGING THE ZONING FROM PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT NUMBER FOUR TWO PLAN DEVELOPMENT NUMBER 179 FOR COMMUNITY RETAIL USES , ADOPTING DEVELOPMENT 
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REGULATIONS INCLUDING A CONCEPTUAL SITE PLAN, SIGN STANDARDS, ELEVATIONS, AND LANDSCAPE PLAN. THE PROPERTY IS GENERALLY LOCATED ALONG WEST MAIN STREET, WEST OF U.S. 
          HIGHWAY 67, AND NORTHEAST OF U.S. HIGHWAY 287. MARY? 
          >> MAYOR, COUNCILMEMBERS -- I HAVE THAT THE WRONG WAY. OKAY. 
          THIS REQUEST IS FOR THE SOUTH SIDE OF WEST MAIN STREET BETWEEN HIGHWAY 67 AND 287. THE PROPERTY ZONE PLAN DEVELOPMENT FOUR, AND THE REQUEST IS TO CREATE A PLAN DEVELOPMENT FOR COMMUNITY RETAIL USES WITH DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS. SOME OF THE PROPOSED USES ARE A HOME IMPROVEMENT STORE , RESTAURANTS, BOTH DRIVE THROUGH AND DRIVE IN , A CONVENIENCE STORE WITH GAS SALES, RETAIL, OFFICE, HOTELS , AND THE PROPERTY IS ZONED, REGIONAL, MODULE. IT MEETS SEVERAL OF THE CRITERIA OR THE STRATEGIES IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN . IT IMPLEMENT INCREASED ARCHITECTURAL LANDSCAPE REQUIREMENTS FOR THE AREAS ALONG 287 AND 67. IT PROVIDES EMPLOYMENT OPPORTUNITIES , AND IT WILL PRESERVE NATURAL RESOURCES SINCE THEY ARE WANTING TO RESERVE AND ENHANCE THE POND AREA. THE SURROUNDING LAND USES TO THE NORTH, THE PROPERTY IS ZONED COMMERCIAL AND PD 39 FOR VARIOUS USES. THAT IS THE 564 PROPERTY . IT IS UNDEVELOPED LAND, AND HAS A TRUCK STOP AS WELL. THE WHOLE AREA AROUND HIS PROPERTY IS REGIONAL MODULE . TO THE SOUTH, IT IS PLAN DEVELOPMENT FORUM . FOR VARIOUS USES, IT'S UNDEVELOPED, AND IS ALSO PART OF THE REGIONAL MODULE. TO THE EAST, IT IS PD 171, WHICH IS THE MAIN STREET TOWN CROSSING DEVELOPMENT THAT IS CURRENTLY UNDER CONSTRUCTION , AND TO THE WEST, IT IS A PLAN DEVELOPMENT FOR THE FIRE STATION IN THE REGIONAL MODULE. SO, PLAN DEVELOPMENT IS ONE OF OUR OLDEST PLANE DEVELOPMENTS, AND IT IS VERY GENERAL. SO, THE USE IS ALLOWED WITH SITE PLAN APPROVAL TO HAVE VERY GENERAL TERMS LIKE COMMERCIAL AND MANUFACTURING. 
          THE NEW PLAN DEVELOPMENT WILL BE MORE SPECIFIC , AND THE DEFINITION OF THE LAND USES, IT WILL ALLOW BUSINESSES FOR PICKUP WINDOWS , A PET SHOP, NO OUTSIDE ACTIVITIES FOR THE PET SHOP , RESTAURANTS OVER 1000 SQUARE FEET WITH A DRIVE-THROUGH , AND ONE ADDITIONAL DRIVE-THROUGH WITH DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS THAT CANNOT BE ON MAIN STREET. IT WILL ALSO ALLOW A GAS STATION WITH A CONVENIENCE STORE WITHOUT THE SU P REQUIREMENT. BUT, WITH THE SITE PLAN REQUIREMENT. THERE ARE PROHIBITED USES . SO, THE PLAN DEVELOPMENT HAS USES. HOWEVER, PD 17 IT HAS A CAR WASH. THIS WILL ENCOMPASS TRUCK AT ALL. THE SU P REQUIREMENT, THEY WILL HAVE TO COME BACK AND GET AN SEP IF THEY WANT TO DO A SUPPLY STORE. IF THERE IS ANY OUTDOOR DISPLAY , ANY LARGE FORMAT STORES , OR THE ADDITIONAL DRIVE-THROUGH , THE GROCERY STORE, ANY MINOR REPAIR OR HOTEL . SO, COMPARED TO THE COMMERCIAL RETAIL DISTRICT , THE FOLLOWING STANDARDS DIFFER. A LOT WITH WHAT THEY ARE PROPOSING IS 60 FEET WIDE. THE MAXIMUM HEIGHT IS 45 FEET WITH A 15 FOOT ALLOWANCE FOR ARCHITECTURAL FEATURES. 50 FEET FOR HOTEL , AND THEY ARE ASKING FOR A ZERO FOOT LOT LINE FOR DIVIDED BUILDINGS WITH A TWO HOUR RATED FIREWALL. SO, THE AREA SHOWN IN RED IS WHERE THE HOME IMPROVEMENT WOULD BE LOCATED. THEY WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK FOR SPECIFIC USE PERMIT. I BELIEVE I ALREADY MENTIONED ALL OF THESE USES . THE CONVENIENCE STORE IS ON THE NORTHEAST CORNER. THE 
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HOTELS ARE ON THE SOUTHWEST CORNER. SO, IN TERMS OF TRANSPORTATION AND TRAFFIC , IT IS SURROUNDED BY TEXTILE ROADWAYS. WE DID PROVIDE A TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS. WE HAVE MINOR MATERIALS THAT SURROUND IT. THERE ARE SIX DRIVEWAYS TOTAL. ONE BY THE FIRE STATION IS EXISTING AND HAS SHARED ACCESS FOR DEVELOPMENT. THEY WILL MITIGATE THE TRAFFIC FLOWS OF PHASE ONE. THEY WILL CONSTRUCT DRIVE-THROUGH WITH TWO OUTBOUND LANES . PHASE TWO, THEY WILL CONSTRUCT AN EASTBOUND RETURN TO ACCELERATION LANE AND WESTBOUND, LEFT TURN DECELERATION LANE , AND THEY WILL INSTALL A SIGNAL FOR WEST MAIN STREET BETWEEN U.S. AND 67. THE LOCATION IS TO BE DETERMINED, AND IT IS PENDING TEXTILE. SO, FOR THE DESIGN STANDARDS, THEY INCLUDED AN AMENITY CENTER, A GATEWAY TO THE CITY , NO TO HAVE THE EXISTING RETENTION PONDS WITH NARRATION, COVERED SHELTER OVERLOOKING SEATING. THEY ARE PROVIDING ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPING IN THIS AREA FOR TREES AND BEDS . HERE ARE SOME PICTURES OF WHAT THEY ENVISION . THE TWO LARGE ONES SHOW ON HOW THEY WANT TO HAVE ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPING TO HELP SCREEN THE CONVENIENCE STORE ON THAT CORNER. THIS IS A LANDSCAPE PLAN. THE LANDSCAPE BUFFERS ARE ADJACENT TO THE RIGHT-OF-WAY. 
          STREET TREES MAY BE CLUSTERED, BUT THEY HAVE TO MEET THE 40 FOOT RATIO. THEY ARE PROVIDING LANDSCAPE WITH AN OFFSTREET PARKING AREA . THAT IS DETAILED IN THE ORDINANCE. AND, THEY HAVE PROVISION FOR ADDITIONAL SCREENING USES AS WELL. 
          ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN STYLE BEING PROPOSED IS A HOMETOWN ARCHITECTURAL STYLE. THESE ARE SHOWING SINGLE AND MULTITENANT BUILDINGS WITHIN AREA OF 2000 FEET MORE OR LESS . A HOME IMPROVEMENT STORE , A LARGE-FORMAT STORE AND HOTELS WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK THROUGH HERE FOR APPROVAL OF THEIR ELEVATIONS , AND THOSE WOULD BE REVIEWED BY COUNSEL AT THE TIME OF THEM BEING PROPOSED. THEY ARE PROPOSING FIVE MONUMENT SIGNS , AND PROPOSING TWO PYLON SIGNS. YEAH, FIVE MONUMENT SIGNS IN TWO PYLON SIGNS. THE PYLON SIGNS WOULD BE 35 FEET TALL CONSISTENT WITH THE DEVELOPMENT, AND THE MONUMENT SIGNS WOULD BE 13 1/2 FEET. 12 LETTERS WERE MAILED TO PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN 200 FEET OF THE PROPERTY. STAFF HAS NOT RECEIVED ANY CORRESPONDENCE FOR THIS DEVELOPMENT , SO, STAFF DOES SUPPORT IT. THE P AND Z COMMISSION RECOMMENDED APPROVAL , WITH THE STIPULATION THAT THE ORDINANCE LANGUAGE SAY THAT A TRAFFIC SIGNAL WILL BE CONSTRUCTED PRIOR TO THE FIRST PENDING TEXTILE APPROVAL. ANY 
          QUESTIONS FROM STAFF? >> THANK YOU, MARY. THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING. WE HAVE NO SPEAKERS. I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. MOVED BY COMMISSIONER WEAVER, SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER SHUFFLIED. PLEASE VOTE. PUBLIC HEARING CLOSES 6-0. COUNSEL, QUESTIONS OF STAFF OR THE APPLICANTS HERE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK? CAN ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS AS NEEDED. WELL, COME ON UP. 
          >> THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR AND COUNCIL. WE ARE HAPPY TO BE BACK HERE. I REPRESENT MR. FOSTER, THE PROPERTY OWNER, AND TONY SANDERS , WHO I REPRESENT AS WELL. THEY ALREADY DID A GREAT JOB OF EXPLAINING THIS. WE HAVE HAD A LONG GROUP WITH STAFF AND TEXTILES. WE HAVE COME UP WITH A PLAN THAT EVERYONE IS ON BOARD WITH. MIKE HAS TALKED WITH TEXTILES AS WELL ABOUT THE TRAFFIC SIGNAL AND WORKING ON THE PROCESS SOON. I THINK THIS MIGHT HAVE BEEN DONE BEFORE TONY EVEN MOVED HERE, AND THAT WAS 15 
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YEARS AGO. WE HAVE MODERNIZED THIS. WE HAVE GIVEN UP A LOT OF THINGS AS FAR AS TRUCK STOPS AND WAREHOUSES . SO, I THINK THIS IS GOING TO BE A GREAT DEVELOPMENT. PROBABLY ONE OF THE BEST PIECE OF PROPERTIES HERE , AND MAKING SOMETHING THAT WILL BE AN ASSET TO THE CITY. WITH THAT, I WOULD BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. VERY EXCITED TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS AND GETTING THE ZONING DONE. SO, I AM HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. 
          >> WAS ON 84? REMEMBER? >> I DO, ACTUALLY. IT WAS TERMINAL OFFICE WAREHOUSE , WAREHOUSE DISTRIBUTION , MANUFACTURING, AND MULTI-FAMILIES. BUT YOU KNOW WHAT'S FUNNY ABOUT THIS? WAS SO FUNNY IS THE PD WAS SO WRONG THAT WE ONLY HAVE A BLACK AND WHITE COPY. WE COULD NOT TELL WHICH WAS COMMERCIAL , SO WE HAD TO BASICALLY START OVER. 
          >> OKAY. >> THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. IF I AM READING THE SUMMARY CORRECT HERE , AND I AM READING THE ORDINANCE AS WELL , RESTAURANTS OVER 1000 FEET ARE IN THAT RIGHT. IS THAT CORRECT? THERE IS A USE CHART THAT STAFF PREPARED? WITHOUT A 
          DRIVE-THROUGH WINDOW? >> I FEEL LIKE THERE ARE TWO OF 
          THOSE THAT ARE ALLOWED. >> RIGHT. I THINK IT'S GREAT THAT IT IS REQUIRED. I ALWAYS FELT THAT 1000 SQUARE FOOT WITHOUT A DRIVE-THROUGH WOULD BE WEIRD, BECAUSE ANY RESTAURANT OF QUALITY IS PROBABLY GOING TO BE 2500 SQUARE FEET OR BIGGER. I THINK IT IS GREAT THAT WE ARE DOING THAT. ONLY ONE DRIVE-THROUGH OBLIGATION IS ALLOWED WITHIN S U.P. 
          >> I AM SORRY TO INTERRUPT YOU. THE OWNER IS OKAY WITH THE LOT BEING REDUCED TO 60 FEET IF WE HAD A COFFEE SHOP OR A DRIVE-THROUGH LIKE A STARBUCKS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. 
          >> SO, WE WENT THROUGH THE EFFORT OF WORKING ON A RESTAURANT, AND THERE IS NO LIMITATION ON THOSE. I MEAN, I KNOW IT'S IS NO MORE THAN FIVE CUBIC SPACES , BUT TO ME, THAT IS GOING TO BE A CHALLENGE. YOU KNOW, WHAT WAS THE METHODOLOGY AND THE STAFF APPROVAL WITH THAT? 
          >> WE DID APPROVE THAT WITH THE WEBER DEVELOPMENT. IT MAY HAVE PROVIDED US WITH SOME BACKGROUND INFORMATION THAT RESTAURANTS THAT DO THAT TYPE OF FORMAT, THEY DON'T HAVE CUES. THEY ARE EFFICIENT . I MEAN, YOU CAN'T DRIVE UP IN ORDER AT ALL. 
          THAT'S NOT EVEN AN OPTION. SO, YOU ARE JUST DRIVING UP. 
          >> THAT IS WHY WE ARE DRIVING WEB DEVELOPMENT? 
          >> IT IS. >> THE ONLY OTHER CONCERN THAT I HAVE , AND WE COVER THIS TOPIC OFTEN , IS 10 BY 18 PARKING SPACES DON'T FIT A LOT OF THE VEHICLES THAT WE SEE AVERAGE RESIDENCE OF MIDLOTHIAN DRIVING. NINE BY 18 FITS VERY FEW. LOOKS TO ME THE LARGEST BASE IS PROVIDED IN THIS ORDINANCE ARE 10 BY 18, AND IT ALLOWS UP TO 30 TO 35% BE NINE BY 18 SPACES. I HAVE CONCERNS WITH NOT USING 10 BY 24 THE LARGER SPOTS , BECAUSE AS WE DRIVE THROUGH PARKING LOTS AND DOWN STREETS THAT HAVE ON STREET PARKING THROUGHOUT OUR COMMUNITY , THERE IS A LOT THAT EXTENDS BEYOND THAT ARE 18 FEET IN LENGTH. 
          >> DO YOU WANT TO SPEAK TO THAT? >> I DO KNOW THERE IS A TRUCK THAT IS 24 FEET LONG. WE WOULD CONSIDER ADJUSTING THAT PERCENTAGE, I THINK. I DON'T KNOW THAT IN ORAL PARKING SITUATION AT THE CORNER STORE , I THINK WE CAN ENTERTAIN A CERTAIN PERCENTAGE OF THOSE. YOU KNOW? SIMILAR TO WHAT WE DID. 
          SO, THERE ARE SOME AREAS WHERE YOU DESIGNATE PERSPECTIVE ON CARS. WE CAN HAVE SOME DESIGNATED TO BE 20 FEET. MAYBE 
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EVERY OTHER ROW IN TENANT AREAS OR SOMETHING. 
          >> I THINK THAT WOULD BE GREAT. THERE SHOULD BE A DECENT SIZED COHORT , BECAUSE THE AVERAGE USER THERE IS GOING TO FIND THINGS THAT TYPICALLY REQUIRE A SIZABLE VEHICLE IN WHICH YOU 
          TAKE IT TO THE JOBSITE. >> IT IS COMMON TO HAVE THOSE CONTRACTOR PARKING FOR TURNING RADIUS IS AND THINGS LIKE THAT AS WELL. THAT IS WHY WE ARE RESTRICTED TO NOT HAVING ANY OF THE NINE FOOTERS THAT YOU SEE THERE. 
          >> ABSOLUTELY. WHAT WOULD BE A PALATABLE PERCENTAGE, DO YOU 
          THINK? >> I DON'T KNOW. I HATE TO SPEAK FOR THESE GUYS. BUT I WOULD SAY MAYBE 25 OR 30%? THAT 
          IS HOW WE HAVE THE NINE FOOTER. >> WE ACTUALLY HAVE THIS CONVERSATION LAST NIGHT AT A WORKSHOP. 
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          >> YES IT IS. >> I AM A MEMBER OVER THERE. 
          >> EIGHT FOOT BY EIGHT FOOT WITH MIRRORS , THAT LEAVES SIX INCHES FOR A TRUCK . I AM JUST CURIOUS FROM A CURIOSITY STANDPOINT. 
          WHAT CAUSES THE NINE BY 18? BECAUSE MY DAUGHTER LIVES IN UPTOWN DALLAS. BUT DOWN HERE, WHERE US REAL FOLK LIVE , YOU HAVE A PARKING LOT PERCENTILE YOU NEED TO MEET WITH THE CITY THAT YOU ARE TRYING TO HIT. WHAT CAUSES THE STRAY AWAY FROM 
          ATTENDANCE? >> I DO THINK THERE IS SOMEWHAT OF A PERCENTAGE THAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT. HISTORICALLY, NINE BY 18 HAS ALWAYS BEEN A STANDARD . IT HAS GROWN, BECAUSE VEHICLES HAVE GROWN. IT DID, YES, SIR. NOW 10 IS MORE COMMON. 
          VEHICLES ARE BIGGER NOW , THERE IS NO DOUBT ABOUT THAT. SO 10 IS MORE PALATABLE . I DO THINK IT IS A PERCENTAGE. OBVIOUSLY, THERE ARE A LOT OF ELECTRIC VEHICLES ON THE ROAD NOW. SO, THERE IS THAT PERCENTAGE AS WELL. I THINK IT BOILS DOWN TO HAVING, LIKE YOU SAID, A CERTAIN PERCENTAGE THAT CAN ACCOMMODATE 
          THAT. >> TODAY, HE IS A GOOD ONE. I DON'T KNOW. WHAT IS THE PERCENTILE OF WORK? 
          >> WE DON'T HAVE ANY NINE FOOTERS OVER THERE. 
          >> OKAY. >> THE ONLY OTHER QUESTION I HAD QUICK HE WAS -- MIKE, WERE YOU 
          GOING TO SAY SOMETHING? >> 
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          >> DID YOU USE THE WORD ALLOWS? 
          >> ANOTHER TALKS YOU CAN EDUCATE ME ON THIS. ON THE FACADE OF THE RETAIL SPOTS , IT APPEARS THAT IT HAS COME VERY CLOSE -- THE LOWE'S DEVELOPMENT, CORRECT? SORTED I MISS SOMETHING? THE GENERAL ORDINANCE SPACE THAT I AM LOOKING AT. 
          >> GENERAL ORDINANCE. I KNOW WE HAVE HAD SOME CONVERSATIONS. 
          >> CORRECT. YOU WILL SEE THE ELEVATION -- 
          >> PARKING SPOTS. THAT IS ALL I HAD. I DON'T HAVE ANY PROBLEM 
          WITH IT . >> WE HAVE ONE DRIVE-THROUGH, IS 
          THAT CORRECT? >> YES. ON MAIN STREET. AND WE 
          DID DO THAT FOR THE WEBER. >> AND EVERY FACILITY REQUIRES 
          AN S U.P.? >> NO. THE LARGE ONES DO. THE HOME IMPROVEMENT STORE, THE HOTEL , I AM TRYING TO REMEMBER WHAT ELSE. THE OVER 20,000, YEAH. ANY OF THE LARGER USES 
          WILL REQUIRE AN S U.P. >> OKAY. I WANT TO SPEAK TO WHAT I FEEL IS THE QUALITY OF THIS LAYOUT. I THINK IT IS FANTASTIC. 
          I THINK YOU GUYS HAVE DONE A GREAT JOB. THE WATER FEATURES AND SOME OF THE AMENITIES Y'ALL INCLUDED HAVE GONE ABOVE AND BEYOND. EVEN THE ELEVATIONS THAT WE DO HAVE MAKES ME THINK WE HOLD THE SAME STANDARD AS WEBER ACROSS THE STREET. I DO AGREE WITH THE PARKING. THE BIGGER, THE BETTER. BUT, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE AN INCREASED SIZE , SPECIFICALLY WITH THE HOME IMPROVEMENT. SO, THOSE ARE MY COMMENTS. ANNA? 
          >> I WANT TO GO BACK TO WHAT ROSS WAS ASKING ABOUT EARLIER. 
          ON THE OVER THOUSAND SQUARE FOOT RESTAURANT, I AM NOT SEEING -- IF THEY CHANGE THEIR MIND , THEY COULD PUT 10 IN? 
          >> ALLOWED WITH SITE PLAN APPROVAL. 
          >> BUT THEY WOULD NOT COME BACK IT WAS A MULTITENANT BUILDING. 
          >> YEAH, IF YOU HAD A STARBUCKS OR SOMETHING, RIGHT. THAT IS 
          CORRECT. >> WITH THE BUILDING WOULD'VE 
          HAD SITE PLAN APPROVAL. >> THAT IS CORRECT. 
          >> I DO LIKE WHAT SEEMS TO BE WITH THE PONDS AND THE FOUNTAINS. I FEEL LIKE THERE CAN BE A REALLY HIGH-LEVEL STANDARD . IT LOOKS LIKE YOU ALL ARE WORKING TOWARDS THAT. BUT NORMALLY, WITH DEVELOPMENTS OF THIS SIZE , DID WE JUST NOT HAVE THAT? OR DOES THAT COME LATER? OR WHAT IS THE PROCESS? 
          >> I WAS UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT THERE WERE MEETINGS . WE 
          HAVE NOT? OKAY. >> I FEEL LIKE IT'S A LOT TO CONSUME. I LIKE WHAT I SEE, BUT I AM TRUSTING THE PROCESS ALSO . 
          >> I THINK THAT IS THE PRIMARY DIFFERENCE. 
          >> THAT IS WHAT I THINK IT IS. IF WE COME BACK WITH WEBER, WE 
          CAN GET THEM APPROVED. >> THAT WAS THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THAT WAS PRETTY MUCH A ONE-STOP SHOP. 
          >> RAY. THAT MIGHT BE BECAUSE THEY ARE THROWING EVERYTHING IN FOR THE WEBER PROJECT MAYBE. FOR ENTERTAINMENT, I KNOW THERE ARE 
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PROBABLY STILL OPTIONS . IF YOU BRING ENTERTAINMENT IN , I WANT TO MAKE SURE ALL OPTIONS ARE OUT THERE . SO, THAT MIGHT STILL BE 
          A CONVERSATION. >> I DO WANT TO SAY THAT ONE OF THE BIGGEST DIFFERENCES IN MY MIND, WHICH I MISSED IN THE WEBER DEVELOPMENT, IS THAT PD FOUR, AS IT IS EXISTING, IS NOT A GREAT PD. IT IS VERY VAGUE . I MEAN, THEY CAN PUT MULTI FAMILY AND. SO, I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE BEEN VERY GENEROUS IN WORKING WITH STAFF IN TRYING TO FIND SOME COMMON GROUND AND THINGS THAT WOULD PROVIDE A MIX OF USES, AND CLEARLY DEFINED THEM , AND HAVE A PROCESS WHERE THEY CAN COME BACK. 
          >> I LIKE THAT IMPACT. I THINK IT IS GOOD. THAT SOUNDS LIKE THAT PROBABLY ANSWERS MY QUESTION ON THAT. 
          >> ONE OF YOU CAN GO. >> OH, I AM SORRY. 
          >> I JUST WANTED TO SPEAK TO THE CONCEPT. YOU KNOW, IT IS A LOT EASIER TO BE THE SECOND GUY AT A MAJOR INTERSECTION, BECAUSE WE HAVE THE BENEFIT OF WATCHING ALL OF THOSE MEETINGS THAT WE HAD WITH THE WEBER GROUP, SEEING WHAT THE COUNCIL WAS , SEE WHAT THE POPULACE WAS IN REGARDS TO THAT CONCEPT. YOU KNOW, THE SITE PLAN PIECE , I ALWAYS LIKE WE HAVE A CHANCE TO REVIEW IT. 
          THAT'S ALWAYS A QUESTIONABLE THING . DO WE GET TOO FAR IN THE WEEDS OR FIGURING WERE TO STACK THAT BRICK AT THIS POINT. BUT, I DO THINK IT IS IMPORTANT TO HAVE THAT CONCEPTUAL PALETTE INSIDE OF THIS THING . I DON'T SEE IT AS HAVING QUITE AS MANY MOVING PARTS AS WHAT THE WEBER PROJECT WAS GOING WITH. THERE IS A LOT THERE. BUT, YOU KNOW, OVER THE WEEKEND , THERE IS A DRAFT ORDINANCE . I THINK IT HAS GOT A LOT LESS MOVING PARTS. I THINK I AM MORE COMFORTABLE, ESPECIALLY WITH THIS WORKSHOP , BECAUSE WE ARE GOING TO SEE IT AGAIN. YOU KNOW, JUST GOING BACK TO THAT PARKING , A MINIMUM OF 10 OR 20 SPACES , THE HOME-IMPROVEMENT SITE WOULD BE 100% IN 20 SPACES. I THINK YOU ARE THE DEMOGRAPHIC GOING TO BE HOME IMPROVEMENT STORE . 
          >> ANY SAY THAT AGAIN? >> 30% SITEWIDE , EXCEPT FOR HOME-IMPROVEMENT DEVELOPMENT , WHICH REQUIRES 40%. 
          >> 
          >> TO PARK THE TRUCKS THAT WILL BE SHOPPING. 
          >> AND I DON'T DISAGREE. WE HAVE MORE CONVERSATION UNDER MINIMUM PARK, YOU KNOW, I DON'T THINK IT IS FAIR TO MAKE THAT THEIR BURDEN AT THIS POINT. IF WE WANT TO CHANGE THE RULES, LET'S CHANGE THE RULES, I JUST DON'T WANT TO DO A STREAM WITH 
          THEM. >> A MAN BACK HERE IS TELLING ME WE NEED TO KEEP IT UP TO CODE. SO, THAT WILL BE AN ISSUE. 
          SORRY. WE WANT TO KEEP IT AT 18 . BUT THEY WILL ALL BE 10 FEET 
          WIDE. >> 
          >> YES. >> 
          >> DO NOT JUST GO PARK IN THE BACK? THERE ARE SOME TRAILERS PARKING OVER LINES IN THE BACK OF THE LOT. 
          >> BACK. BUT MOST PEOPLE DON'T. THE PICK THE CLOSEST SPOT THEY 
          THINK THEY CAN SEMI-FIT INTO. >> 
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          >> BACK TO ROSS'S POINT THERE, THE HOME-IMPROVEMENT IS AN ISSUE. WE DO COME BACK DEPENDING ON WHAT GOES THERE . I DON'T KNOW WHAT HOME-IMPROVEMENT STORE WOULD BE THERE. BUT WE DO HAVE A SAY PLAN THAT HAS ALL THE PARKING. LET THE PENCIL WITH THE USE CASE IS. I THINK THAT IS A FAIR STATEMENT. 
          >> I WOULD GIVE ME SOME TIME TO GET OUT AND GET SOME MOVEMENT. 
          >> IT MIGHT NOT ROLE IN YOUR FAVOR. 
          >> WE DON'T HAVE A USER FOR THAT YET. I THINK WE HAVE IDENTIFIED, YOU WILL GET TO SEE IT WITH FACADES AND OUTDOOR SIGNAGE WITH THE FLOW IN THE FIRE LANES AND EVERYTHING. 
          >> EVEN THE FACADE. >> IT IS CONCEPTUAL. 
          >> THAT WILL BE VIEWED FROM EVERY ANGLE. IF THERE IS NO OTHER DISCUSSION, I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION. 
          >> I'VE GOT ONE. I WILL DOES ENTERTAIN A COUPLE OF QUICK COMMENTS. I GUESS TO START WITH , I LOVE THIS PLAN. I THINK IT FITS THAT SPOT. I THINK YOU HAVE DONE A GOOD JOB WITH IT. AND I DID GET A CHANCE TO MEET WITH A SMALLER GROUP OF COUNSEL TO SEE SOME OF IT ON THE FRONT-END. AND I THINK YOU GUYS HAVE DONE A GREAT JOB. I DO THINK THE PARKING , YOU KNOW, I GUESS TO START WITH, SOMETIMES WE DO , TO THE COMMENT I MADE EARLIER, MAKE SOME OF THESE COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENTS JUMP THROUGH THE HOOPS. AND I THINK THERE IS A REASONABLE AMOUNT OF HOOPS TO HAVE FOLKS JUMP THROUGH, AND ANOTHER REASONABLE AMOUNT OF HOOPS TO JUMP THROUGH. AND I THINK WE MAY LEAN TOWARDS THE WRONG END ACROSS THE STREET IN MY OPINION. I THINK WITH THIS PARTICULAR ONE , I DO THINK PARKING IS A SIGNIFICANT CONCERN , AND I THINK THAT THAT IS A REASONABLE LOOP TO PUT OUT THERE. SO, I WILL ECHO SOME OF THE COMMENTS THAT WERE MADE. I THINK WE NEED TO LOOK AT THAT, BUT I DO THINK THAT IN THE S&P PROCESS, WE CAN TACKLE WHAT IS REASONABLE AND WHAT IS DOABLE THERE. EXCUSE ME. MY VOICE IS STRUGGLING TODAY A LITTLE BIT. 
          BUT, YOU KNOW, EVER SINCE I HAVE BEEN ON COUNSEL , ONE OF THE HOT TOPICS THAT EVERYBODY TALKS ABOUT IS WANTING THEIR PROPERTY TAXES TO BE LOWER. AND EVER SINCE I HAVE BEEN ON COUNSEL, EVEN BEFORE, I FEEL LIKE, YOU KNOW, VALUES ARE GOING TO KEEP GOING UP IN THE CITY BUDGETS , AND INFLATION IS GOING TO KEEP DRIVING THINGS UP . THE ONLY WAY THAT WE CAN REALLY EVER HAVE TRUE PROPERTY TAX RELIEF IN A SIGNIFICANT WAY OVER TIME AS IF WE WORK LIKE FOLKS LIKE YOU GUYS TO BRING IN SIGNIFICANT RETAIL SALES TAX DOLLARS. AND WE ARE SEEING THAT EVEN OUR BUDGET PROCESS IN THE LAST TWO YEARS , WHERE SALES TAX IS THROUGH THE ROOF , AND ALL OF A SUDDEN, THERE IS A LOT MORE MEET ON BONES FOR PARTICULAR PROJECTS THAT WOULD HAVE COME FROM THE GENERAL FUND , BUT NOW, WE CAN REDIRECT SOME OF THE BENEFITS OF THE SALES TAX REVENUE. AND SO, EVEN THOUGH I THINK IT IS A PRETTY GOOD DEVELOPMENT, I THINK IT WILL BE GREAT. BEYOND ALL OF THAT , I THINK IT WILL CREATE A SIGNIFICANT SALES TAX REVENUE SOURCE FOR THE CITY AT 10 YEARS FROM NOW THAT WILL HAVE SIGNIFICANT IMPACT SO THAT WE CAN KEEP PROPERTY TAX AND REVENUE IN A REASONABLE PLACE. SO, I SUPPORT IT 100% WITH A SLIGHT CAVEAT THAT I THINK WE CAN MAKE A LITTLE BIT HIGHER REQUIREMENT ON THAT PARKING TO WHAT ROSS SAID. AND I SUPPORT 
          THE PROJECT. >> I DON'T KNOW, AND CORRECT ME IF I AM WRONG, THE BASE ZONING OF THIS PD CLEARLY HAS THE STRUCTURE AND SIZE OF THE PARKING. I DO NOT KNOW IF THAT IS SOMETHING THAT AT THE TIME OF THE SEP, WE WOULD BE ABLE TO 
          MODIFY. >> 
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          >> THEN I STAND CORRECTED. >> YOU KNOW, I THINK IT IS ONE OF THOSE , I MEAN, IT IS A PHILOSOPHICAL QUESTION, RIGHT? WHEN THIS COUNSEL HAS ADDED TO ANSWER FOR REGULATIONS . CARS ARE SEEMINGLY GETTING LARGER , WHETHER IT IS AN INFINITY SUBURBAN , A TAHOE, TOYOTA TUNDRA, YOU TAKE A TUNDRA FROM 15 YEARS AGO AND PUT IT NEXT TO ONE TODAY , AND IT LOOKS LIKE A TWO, LOOKING NEXT TO A TUNDRA. THAT IS IS THE NATURE OF HOW THE INDUSTRY HAS EVOLVED. NOW, THERE ARE FOLKS THAT ARE DOING ALL THESE OTHER STUFF AND GO THE OTHER DIRECTION. REALLY, WHAT IS MISSING IS A LOT OF THE MIDSIZE CARS THAT WE USED TO HAVE. SO, IT IS ALMOST LIKE WE NEED ALL NINE BY 18'S AND 10 BY 20S AND GET RID OF THIS 10 BY 18 THING IN THE MIDDLE. BECAUSE THERE IS NOT A LOT OF CARS TODAY. I MEAN, I DRIVE A JEEP GLADIATOR. IT'S A SMALL TRUCK. RIGHT? IT'S MORE THAN 18 FEET LONG. NOW, IT IS NOT MUCH MORE. IT IS 18 POINTS SIX, BUT IF THERE IS A PARKING LOT IN FRONT OF IT OR A SHRUB THAT I CAN PULL ALL THE WAY UP TO THE CURB, YOU KNOW, ALL THE SUDDEN I AM IN TROUBLE. I AND I AM NOT EVEN A BIG TRUCK. SO, FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, I LOVE THIS PROJECT. I THINK IT CREATES ECONOMIC VIBRANCY. AT THE SAME TIME, IT IS INCONVENIENT TO OUR RESIDENTS TO HAVE TO WEAVE IN AND OUT OF PARKING LOTS BECAUSE THE CARS DON'T FIT IN THE SPACES. YOU KNOW? ESPECIALLY ON SOME OF THE MAIN DRIVE-BYS. I THINK THAT THERE IS PROBABLY ROOM IN THE ISLANDS AND THE LANDSCAPE BUFFERS TO AFFORD EIGHT FEET TO FIND SOME 10 BY 20 SPACES . IT'S PROBABLY NOT A HUGE ENGINEERING MARVEL TO DO THAT. SO, I THINK A MODERATE AMOUNT OF THAT TO BOOST THAT , ESPECIALLY IN THE MAIN DRIVE AISLES . 
          >> THAT IS A GOOD POINT TO MOVE ON. IF I AM READING THE TEA LEAVES, I AM GETTING A SENSE THAT THERE IS AN ISSUE IN THE DEPARTMENT. 
          >> I AM HAPPY TO BE HERE. WE ARE THE PROPOSED DEVELOPER ON THAT. 
          I HEAR YOU ON THE PARKING. STANDARD PARKING SPACES ARE 10 BY 18. IN DALLAS, THE COMPACTS ARE 8 1/2. I HATE THE NINE FOOT SPACES. I GET THAT. HERE IS WHAT YOU FIGHT AGAINST AS A DEVELOPER. YOU HAVE A PARKING CODE AT 275. IS THAT CORRECT? IT USED TO BE ONE TO 200, SO THAT IS BETTER. YOU ARE FINDING THE NUMBER OF SPACES , BUT YOU ARE ALSO FINDING THE NUMBER OF RELATIVE SPACES. YOU HAVE GOT TO TAKE STUFF ACROSS THE FRONT. SO, LARGE-FORMAT RETAILERS WOULD BE HOME IMPROVEMENT STORES . WHAT WOULD BE FAIR? 25% OF THOSE BEING 10 BY 20? AND YOU HAVE GOTTEN BY 18 IN THE RETAIL. JUST A SUGGESTION WHEN YOU GO THROUGH YOUR PARKING, WHAT IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN THE SIDE OF THE PARKING SPACES IS YOUR DRIVE AISLES. THAT IS WHERE IT IS REALLY TIED , IS DRIVING OUT BIGGER. YOU GET MORE TURNING RADIUS. SO, 25% OF THOSE BEING 10 BY 20, BECAUSE THAT IS EASY TO DO, YOU KNOW, THE HOME IMPROVEMENT STORE , 25% OF THE 10 BY 20 AND THERE , THEN WE ARTY HAVE THE PERCENTAGE OF THE 10 BY 18. ISN'T THAT WHAT IT IS? NINE BY 18. 30%. DOES THAT 
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          WORK FOR YOU, ROSS? >> JUST ONE QUICK QUESTION. 
          >> YES, SIR? >> 
          >> YES, SIR. AND THAT'S MORE OF JUST A BLANKET, GENERIC ANSWER TO THAT. I THINK THE 10 BY 18 SPACE IS VERY ENTICING, BECAUSE THAT IS A SPECIFIC SPACE FOR MOST GUARDS. 
          >> USUALLY 24. IF WE CAN MAKE THEM MORE EFFICIENT, WE LIKE THEM 25 OR 26. THAT LAST INCH OR TWO MAKES A BIG DIFFERENCE TO GET 
          YOUR RADIUS IN THERE. >> 
          >> COMMISSIONER RODGERS, WE REALLY FIGHT AGAINST IS DEVELOPERS. WE WANT TO BE OVER EFFICIENT AND EFFECTIVE. WE WANT EVERYTHING TO WORK , SEE YOU ARE FIGHTING AGAINST OR FALLING WITHIN YOUR PARKING CODE NOW. THERE NEEDS TO BE PARKING IN FRONT OF THE HOME IMPROVEMENT STORE. IS NO QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT. BUT IF YOU START COUNTING THE SPACES THAT ARE LESS THAN THAT , YOU DON'T WANT TO GET JAMMED UP, BECAUSE YOU DON'T HAVE PARKING TO LIMIT THE AMOUNT OF FRONTAGE ACROSS THE FRONT, BECAUSE THAT IS HOW YOU SURVIVE. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? 
          >> YES, SIR. >> THIS MIGHT BE A QUESTION OF IGNORANCE , AND IT MIGHT BE FOR STAFF. BUT CAN WE NOT JUST LOWER THE REQUIREMENT OF SPOTS, SINCE THERE WILL BE A HALF-EMPTY PARKING LOT HALF THE TIME? AND MAKE THEM BIGGER? WILL THAT WORK? IS THAT SIMPLE FINDING IT TOO MUCH? 
          >> THAT IS A LONG ANSWER. IF THE CITY OF AUSTIN HAS A SPECIFIC PARKING CODE, DALLAS IS BRINGING THAT UP THAT THERE IS NO PARKING CODE. IF YOU WANT MY OPINION , I THINK WE NEED TO GET A GOVERNOR 
          ON THE PARKING CODE. >> 
          >> YES, BECAUSE THIS IS THE PD. >> SO, MY QUESTION IF WE CAN DO THAT IS WITH THAT WORK FOR YOU ALL? 
          >> WERE YOU ASKING? >> I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM LOWERING THE AMOUNT OF SPACES , BECAUSE I KNOW JUST FOR MARKETABILITY , YOU'RE GOING TO ENSURE PARKING IN SMALLER SPACES IS CLOSE, AND THEN MAKING UP FOR IT. IT SOUNDS LIKE WHAT YOU ARE SAYING IS TO MEET THE REQUIREMENT, YOU MAKE UP FOR IT AT THE HOME IMPROVEMENT STORE, AND HALF OF THAT IS JUST GOING TO SIT THERE MOST OF THE YEAR. SO, I HAVE NO PROBLEM AT ALL , WITHIN A REASONABLE AMOUNT, LOWERING THOSE SPOTS SO WE CAN GET BIGGER SPACES THAT ARE ACTUALLY FILLED. I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THE REST OF THE COUNCIL, I MIGHT BE OVER SIMPLE FINDING IT BECAUSE I AM STILL FAIRLY NEW HERE. 
          >> I DON'T THINK IT IS REALLY AN OVER SUPPLICATION, BUT IT IS HARD TO QUANTIFY AND HOW YOU WOULD DO THAT. I THINK COMMISSIONER WEAVER IS ON THE RIGHT TRACK, GOING A PERCENTAGE OF LARGER SPACES. WHAT PERCENTAGE DID YOU OFFER 
          EARLIER? >> 25% . I THINK THAT'S EASIER. 
          BECAUSE THE HOME IMPROVE THE STORE, THE RETAILER WILL COME BACK AND GIVE US A NUMBER, WHETHER THAT IS 325, 350 , THAT IS AS MANY PARKING SPACES AS I HAVE GOT TO HAVE. 25% BEING 10 BY 20 IN THE HOME-IMPROVEMENT SITE , WE HAVE 30% THAT IS NINE BY 18 . IS THAT ACCEPTABLE IN THE BALANCE? 
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          >> WHAT IF WE JUST DO AWAY WITH THE NINE BY 18? AS A MIDDLE 
          POINT? >> I MEAN, NOT THE NINE BY 18, 
          BUT THE 10 BY 18. >> YOU MADE A POINT EARLIER, AND THIS IS WHAT CAUGHT MY ATTENTION. RIGHT NOW, WHAT WE ARE SHOWING IS 10 BY 18 . I MEAN, I WOULD ALMOST SAY THAT THE 10 BY 18 IS PUTTING IN SOME 26 FOOT DRIVE AISLES. I THINK THAT PROVIDES FLEXIBILITY OF A GREATER WIDTH OF THAT DRIVE AREA THAT ACCOMMODATES THE EXTRA TWO FEET. 
          >> YOU WILL HAVE LESS PARKING THAT WAY. 
          >> I AGREE. ABSOLUTELY. THE WHOLE POINT OF THE CONVERSATION IS NOT ABOUT NECESSARILY DICTATING THE SIZE OF THE LOT , BUT IT INTENDS YOUR FUNCTIONALITY OF THE COURT OR THAT FLOWS THE WAY IT IS SUPPOSED TO, AND DOESN'T CREATE A NECESSARY PROBLEM. SO, I WOULD AMEND MY POSITION . 
          >> A 10 BY 18 WITH 26 FEET IS EASIER TO GET INTO THAN A 10 BY 
          20. >> YES, SIR. AND THAT IS WHAT I 
          WANTED TO SAY. >> WE ARE GOOD WITH THAT. 
          >> OKAY. >> JUST TO CLARIFY , THE 10 BY 18 AT THE MOMENT IS 100% OF THE BIG PARKING AREA OUTSIDE OF HOME-IMPROVEMENT? I AM GOOD WITH THAT. 
          >> I THINK THAT ACCOMPLISHES THE CODE, THAT WE DON'T HAVE A DRIVE IN THE SPACES. ALL OF A SUDDEN, YOU HAVE A 10 BY 18 AND A 24 FOOT DRIVE AISLE BUT YOU HAVE TWO TRUCKS ON EITHER SIDE, AND I HAVE AN 18 FOOT DRIVE. EXACTLY. SO, THAT IS WHERE I THINK MAKING THAT DRIVE FIGHT MAKES EVEN LESS SENSE. 
          >> OKAY. >> DOES ANYBODY KNOW WHERE 
          YOU'RE AT? >> I'VE GOT TO. 
          >> ROSS , WOULD YOU LIKE TO FORMERLY MAKE A MOTION? 
          >> THE MAIN DRIVE AISLE IS THROUGHOUT THE WHOLE THING. 
          >> JOE, DO WE NEED TO AMEND? IT IS 12 275 FOR RETAIL STORES. DO WE NEED TO AMEND THAT RATIO FOR ONE TO 300? 
          >> WILL HAVE TO PARK THIS, AND WE ARE RUNNING OUT OF REAL ESTATE. 
          >> THAT IS WHAT WE WORRY ABOUT AS WELL. 
          >> YEAH, I BET. JOE, I DON'T KNOW IF WE NEED TO DO THAT. SO, AND A 10,000 SQUARE-FOOT BUILDING , THERE IS SEVEN SPACES. IF YOU GO FROM ONE TO 250 TO 300. 
          >> I MEAN, IT FEELS PRETTY HEAVILY PARKED RIGHT NOW. I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW IF I WOULD SAY IF IT LOOKS GOOD, BUT IT 
          KIND OF FEELS THAT WAY. >> WHAT GETS YOU IS THE SMALLER PADS. THAT IS WHERE YOU GET JAMMED UP. I THINK THAT IS A GOOD IDEA. WE WILL LOSE SOME PARKING IF WE GET THERE. 
          >> DO WE ALSO HAVE A CROSS ACCESS PARKING AGREEMENT WITHIN THIS THAT ALL PARKING WILL COUNT TOWARDS THE CUMULATIVE AMOUNT OF PARKING THAT WILL BE SHARED SIMILAR TO THE ORIGINAL DEVELOPMENT? WHICH WE SHOULD HAVE . THAT SHOULD BE THE CASE IF WE ARE GOING THIS ROUTE. IS AT THIS POINT, SOME OF THE SMALLER RETAILERS ARE GOING TO RUN OUT OF PARKING. THEY WILL 
          NOT PAY FOR PARKING. >> WE NEED SPACES TO PUT THIS 
          PARKING. >> IS A FINITE AMOUNT. 
          >> 
          >> YEAH, WE ARE PROBABLY GOOD ON THAT. WHAT IF WE JUST AMEND ALL OF THE DRIVE AISLES TO BE 26 FEET? THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE 
          DEVELOPMENT? >> THAT'S EASY. 
          >> YEP. >> 
          >> DRIVE AISLES. DRIVE AISLES TAKE CARE OF EVERYTHING. ANY TOW 
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          HITCH, YOU KNOW? >> SO, 30%, OR NINE BY 18 WITH 26 FOOT DRIVE AISLES AND ONE TO 300 ON THE PARKING. 
          >> RIGHT NOW, IT IS ONE TO 325. >> 123 25 IS EVEN BETTER. 
          >> WAS DUE ONE TO 300. IS JUST GOING TO GO BACK TO THE BASE. 
          THAT'S WHAT WE NEED TO PUT AT ONE TO 300. WE NEED TO REQUIRE A 26 FOOT DRIVE AISLE, AND ONE TO 300 SQUARE FEET RATIO. IT ALREADY ADDS THAT OR INCREASES THAT LARGE FORMAT. 
          >> YES. >> OKAY, ANY QUESTIONS OR 
          COMMENTS? >> WE ARE READY TO ROLL. 
          >> THAT'S AWESOME. >> 
          >> IS EVERYBODY DONE WITH QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS? 
          >> YES, SIR. THANK YOU! WE APPRECIATE YOUR INPUT. I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE AS PRESENTED RECOMMENDED WITH THE AMENDMENT TO SECTION E, IS THAT RIGHT? OF THE PROPOSED ORDINANCE FOR PARKING TO AMEND THE DRIVE FILE WITH 226 FEET , AND SET THE 
          PARKING RATIO AT ONE TO 300. >> SECOND. 
          >> MOTION MADE BY COMMISSIONER WEAVER, APPROVED WITH ALL OF THE AMENDMENT, SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER MOORMAN. PLEASE VOTE. ITEM PASSES 6-0. THANK YOU, ALL. APOLOGIES TO MY BLUEBONNET FRIENDS. WE ARE GOING TO HEAR ONE CASE BEFORE WE GET 
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TO BLUEBONNET IF WE COULD. I WOULD LIKE TO GO AHEAD AND TO THE CHURCH. WE ARE GOING TO OPEN AN ITEM ON THE REGULAR AGENDA, 25-090, CONSIDER AND ACT UPON AN ORDINANCE GRANTING A SPECIAL EXCEPTION RELATING TO PAVING STANDARDS FOR PARKING SPACES TO BE CONSTRUCTED WITH THE TEMPORARY ALTERNATIVE PAVEMENT, GRAVEL, ON LOTS TWO AND THREE, BLOCK A ON FN 663. PROPERTY IS LOCATED SOUTH OF TOWER ROAD, ALONG THE EAST SIDE OF FM 663. 
          SINCE WE ARE TALKING PARKING, LET'S CONTINUE THE TREND. 
          >> THIS IS FOR A SPECIAL EXCEPTION ALONG FARMERS MARKET 663 FOR ENGINEERING. WE ARE PLANNING A LARGE RENOVATION OF THE CHURCH , AND THEY WOULD LIKE TO USE THE TRAFFIC THAT I AM SORRY, THE LOT TO THE SOUTH AS PARKING. I CANNOT SHIFT ANYTHING IN MY WINDOW. SO, THE COLORED AREA WITH THOSE HASHMARKS, THEY WOULD LIKE TO USE THOSE TO BRING GRAVEL PARKING AREAS , AND AS YOU SEE, THE CHURCH IS TO THE NORTH. THE EXPANSION WILL GO TO THE EAST OF THE CHURCH, AND THEY ARE REQUESTING PARKING ON THE BACK. STAFF IS RECOMMENDING DENIAL BASED ON THE FACT THAT IT DOES NOT THAT MY GRAVEL PARKING IS NOT TYPICALLY ALLOWED WITHIN OUR SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE , AND THE ORIGINAL -- SORRY, THE ORIGINAL ORDINANCE WAS FOR TWO YEARS. P AND Z RECOMMENDED APPROVAL OF THIS , GIVING THEM THREE YEARS TO TAKE THAT GRAVEL PARKING LOT. WITH THAT, I WILL ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS, AND THE 
          APPLICANT'S ARE HERE AS WELL. >> DAVID OR PASTOR TIM, IF YOU WANT TO COME FORWARD, YOU CAN BE OF QUESTIONS AS THEY ARISE. ANY QUESTIONS ON THIS CASE? MY ONLY QUESTION WAS THE ACCESS . IS IT ACROSS FROM THE CHURCH DIRECTLY? THERE WILL NOT BE ANY ADDITIONAL 
          TRAFFIC ON 663? >> THE INTENTION IS TO TIE INTO 
          THE EGRESS OF THE MANY STORES. >> ROSS? 
          >> WHAT HAPPENS IN TWO TO THREE YEARS? 
          >> WELL, THE BUILDING WILL BE BUILT HOPEFULLY IN 12 MONTHS , AND WE HAVE THE OPTION OF SELLING THIS PROPERTY OR PAVING THE PROPERTY . TO BECOME REALLY HONEST, NONE OF OUR LADIES AT THE CHURCH WANT TO HAVE GRAVEL. EVERYTHING HAS HAPPENED SO FAST FOR US THAT WE HONESTLY HAVE THE CAPITAL TO DO EVERYTHING THAT WE 
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NEED TO DO AT ONCE. I AM CHARGING AS MUCH AS I CAN TO GET 
          PEOPLE IN THE DOOR. >> ABSOLUTELY. YOU JUST NEED TO PASS THE PLATE TWICE. MY ONLY QUESTION OR RECOMMENDATION IS , YOU KNOW, ALONG THE 663 QUARTERS, IS THERE ANY POSSIBILITY THAT YOU CAN PLANT A FEW TREES OR SHRUBS ? 
          >> I THINK THAT THAT IS ACCEPTABLE. 
          >> I MEAN, THE NORMAL OVER STORAGE IS 43. YOU KNOW, YOU GET INTO IRRIGATION WATER AND ALL OF THAT STUFF. 
          >> THE ONLY THING I WOULD SAY, COMMISSIONER WEAVER, IS WE HAVE HAD DISCUSSIONS -- 
          >> UNLESS WE PUT THEM MORE THAN 50 FEET OFF OF THAT. PUT THEM 
          CLOSER TO THE PARKING AREA. >> THEY WILL BE TAKING ALL THE WAY TO THE FIRST LEVEL WITH PARKING TO WHERE WE ARE. 
          >> I DON'T WANT TO TAKE AWAY FROM ROSS, BUT I WANT TO BOUNCE OFF OF HIS QUESTION, BECAUSE I WAS HERE WHEN WE REZONED ALL OF THIS. I THOUGHT WHEN IT WAS ORIGINALLY ZONED, THAT WE HAD THAT 50 FOOT SPOT TAKEN IN, BECAUSE THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO DO LANDSCAPING IN THE RETAIL IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE. OR AM I WRONG? 
          IT HAS BEEN A COUPLE OF YEARS. >> I THINK IT WAS 20 FEET THAT 
          WAS DEDICATED. I AM NOT SURE. >> 
          >> OKAY. SO 20 FEET? >> 20 OR 25. 
          VOLUME ] >> ARE YOU ALL GOOD? 
          >> THAT WAS MY ONLY QUESTION. >> YEAH, I THINK THERE WAS A LANDSCAPING PLAN. YOU BROUGHT UP AN INTERESTING TOPIC, BECAUSE I THOUGHT THIS WAS ALWAYS THE PLAN IN THE BEGINNING WITH PARKING. I HAVE NOT HEARD OF ANYTHING ABOUT YOU IS RESELLING IT LATER. TO BE HONEST, I HAVE HEARTBURN IN THE FACT THAT I DIDN'T VOTE ON THE REZONED. WE WOULD ALWAYS HOPE THAT SOMETHING WOULD BE BUILT TO COVER UP THE STORAGE LANE. THAT IS WHAT WE ALWAYS THOUGHT. 
          >> ABSOLUTELY. >> SO, TO ME, I DON'T LIKE GRANTING VARIANCES FOR PARKING. ESPECIALLY WHEN IT IS NOT CONCRETE. BUT, WHEN THE INTENT LATER IS TO EITHER BUILD OR SELL OR EVEN COME BACK, I THINK THAT IS SOMETHING THAT CAN BE LOOKED AT. I DID NOT ACTUALLY KNOW THAT PIECE. THAT GIVES ME A LITTLE 
          PIECE OF MIND. >> THIS IS AN INTERIM SOLUTION. 
          ONCE WE START CONSTRUCTION BEHIND THE EXISTING FACILITY , WE WILL LOSE ALL OF OUR PARKING AT THE BACK. SO, THIS IS SOLVING THAT ISSUE. WE WANT TO FURTHER DEVELOP PASS THIS EXPANSION. 
          WHICH MAY OR MAY NOT EVEN INCLUDE THIS. 
          >> 
          >> I THINK IT IS A GREAT SOLUTION. I THINK MORE BROADLY , I THINK IN THE SITUATIONS OF PARKING REQUIREMENTS, WE HAVE GOT TO BE A LITTLE MORE SPECIFIC. NOT JUST WITH THIS CASE, BUT EVEN WITH OTHERS ON WHAT THE PLAN IS . YOU GUYS HAVE DONE A GREAT JOB OF COMMUNICATING AND PRESENTING THE PACKET. I THINK ANY SITUATION WHERE WE WERE TO REQUIRE THE CHURCH OR ANY BUSINESS, FOR THAT MATTER, BUT PARTICULARLY IN THE SITUATION OF THE CHURCH , THE COST TO CONCRETE THAT PARKING LOT KNOWING IT IS A TEMPORARY SOLUTION I THINK WOULD BE AN UNDUE BURDEN ON THE CHURCH OR ON ANY BUSINESS, FOR THAT MATTER, WITH SITUATIONS SIMILAR TO THIS. SO, I REALLY LIKE LOOKING AT THE SITUATIONS ON A LITTLE BIT MORE OF AN IN-DEPTH VIEW OF IT AS FAR AS WHAT THE PLAN IS. THE IDEA THAT'S TWO YEARS FROM NOW, YOU GUYS WILL COME BACK WITH EITHER ANOTHER TEMPORARY REQUEST OR A PLAN THAT THIS IS WHAT WE ARE GOING TO DO NOW IS THAT I THINK MAKES PERFECT SENSE. I DON'T SEE ANY REASON AT ALL TO REQUIRE 
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THATOF COST ON A TEMPORARY SOLUTION. I SUPPORT IT 100% , IT WOULD NOT PUT ANY CAVEATS TO IT. 
          >> JOE, QUESTION. GOING OFF OF WHAT CLARK TALKED ABOUT , THE ZONING IS CURRENTLY CHANGING. CORRECT? THERE WERE SOME CONCERNS MENTIONED, WHICH MAKES ME FEEL CONCERNED ABOUT THE SITUATION. 
          >> YEAH, THE ZONING IS NOT CHANGING. 
          >> SAY, IT'S CRAZY TRYING TO PASS SOMETHING EVERY DAY. I GOOGLED IT, AND IT LOOKS LIKE THE LANDSCAPING IS ALREADY IN. 
          >> THERE WAS A LANDSCAPING. IT DOES NOT LOOK GREAT, OBVIOUSLY. 
          >> WELL, I OBVIOUSLY DID NOT MEMBER WHAT IT LOOKED LIKE. 
          >> YOU ARE AS MOTIVATED AS ALL OF US TO MAKE THIS LOOK GOOD. 
          >> CAN WE DO A MOTION? YOU HAVE MORE QUESTIONS? 
          >> AND THIS 
          MOTION TO APPROVE. >> SECOND. 
          >> MOTION TO APPROVE AS PRESENTED, SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER MOORMAN. PLEASE VOTE. ITEM PASSES 7-0. 
          >> THANK YOU. THANK YOU GUYS VERY MUCH. 
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          >> BLUEBONNETS GUYS, I APPRECIATE YOUR PATIENCE. WE WILL MOVE ON TO YOU NOW. WE ARE OPENING 2025-089 OPEN TO PUBLIC HEARING, CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING AND CONSIDER AND ACT UPON THE ORDINANCE RELATING TO THE USE OF DEVELOPMENT OF 448+ OR MINUS ACRES ON ALAN REEVES SURVEY , ABSTRACT NUMBER 939, JOHN CHAIN BELIEVE SURVEY, ABSTRACT NUMBER 192, JB LITTLE PAY SURVEY, ABSTRACT NUMBER 643, AND THE MEP AND P RAILROAD SURVEY, ABSTRACT NUMBER 761, BY CHANGING AND ZONING FROM PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT 49, RESIDENTIAL , AND RESIDENTIAL THREE, TWO PLANNED DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT NUMBER 185, FOR SINGLE-FAMILY FOUR, COMMUNITY RETAIL, AND/OR MULTI FAMILY SUBJECT FOR DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS. THE PROPERTY IS GENERALLY LOCATED ON U.S. HIGHWAY 287, WEST OF STATE HIGHWAY 67, AND SOUTH OF AUGER ROAD. 
          >> THANK YOU. OUR R2 .5 AND R3 DISTRICTS ARE ON THE EASTERN SIDE. THOSE ARE TWO OBSOLETE ZONING DISTRICT THAT WE DON'T REALLY RECOGNIZE ANYMORE. YOU CAN SEE THE DIAGONAL REDLINE KIND OF SEPARATES THOSE R POINT TO FIVE AND R3 DISTRICTS FROM THE 49. ZONING WOULD BE SINGLE-FAMILY FOUR COMMUNITY MULTIFAMILY USES . MULTIFAMILY USES WILL BE A MIXED-USE SCENARIO ALL THE WAY ON THE FAR WESTERN SIDE OF THAT PROPERTY. 
          THE COMMUNITY -- I AM SORRY, THE MIXED-USE WILL HAVE TO COME BACK FOR THE SEP AT A FUTURE TIME. SO, WITHIN THIS, THERE IS A LITTLE OVER 1000 HOMES WITH SEVEN DIFFERENT LOT SIZES. THE FUTURE LAND USE PLAN DOES CALL THIS LOW TO MEDIUM DENSITY. THE DENSITY FOR THE PROPOSED REZONING IS THREE-POINT FOR UNITS, AND THAT IS THE MIXED-USE AS WELL AS THE FLOOR PLAN . THE DENSITY IS CONSISTENT WITH THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP. AND, THERE WAS A COUNCIL WORKSHOP FORMAL THERE WAS ADVERTISED ON DECEMBER 20TH. THE DIRECTION WAS KEEP THE DENSITY AT THREE-POINT FOR. IN 
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THE LARGER LOTS AROUND THE CREEK AND THOROUGH FAIRS. HERE, WE HAVE THE TRANSPORTATION ASPECT OF IT. YOU HAVE A MAIN THOROUGHFARE , WHICH IS IN ANY TIME THOROUGHFARE, AND 85 FOOT DRIVEWAY WHICH WILL GO FROM THE LOWER RIGHT HIGHWAY 67 UP INTO THE UPPER LEFT. IS BASICALLY GOING FROM SOUTHEAST TO NORTHWEST. SO, THAT IS THE MAIN THOROUGHFARE THROUGH THERE. IT WILL ALSO HAVE A CONNECTION THROUGH CHAPEL CREEK TO OVERLOOK THE STATE. AND THEN EVENTUALLY, I GUESS PRETTY QUICK IN PHASE ONE OR TWO, IT WILL CONNECT TO AUGER ROAD DIRECTLY TO THE NORTHEAST. UP TO THE NORTH OF THIS. SO, THERE IS A TRAFFIC LIGHT THAT IS WARRANTED AT OVERLOOK AND HIGHWAY 67, SO, THAT WOULD BE THE CHAPEL ROAD I WOULD EVENTUALLY GET TO OVERLOOK 67. THEY HAVE DONE A T.I.A. FROM THAT , AND THE PROPORTIONAL COST OF THAT IS ROUGHLY 43% I THINK. SO, THEY HAVE AGREED TO PARTICIPATE IN THAT. SO, LOT SIZES, WE HAVE 40 FOOT, TAPE B IS A -- TYPE G IS 80 FEET. SO, THOSE ARE THE DIFFERENT VARIOUS LAND USES. HERE, YOU CAN SEE AN AREA FROM THE LEFT TO THE RIGHT. 
          AMENITY AREA ONE, TWO, AND THREE. HERE, AND I WILL HAVE A DETAIL OF SOME OF THESE . SO, YOU SEE THE CHAPEL HILL CONNECTION AND CONNECTION TO 67 ON THE LOWER RIGHT. SO, YOU HAVE SEVERAL AMENITY AREAS, AND THEY WILL IMPROVE, AND THEN YOU HAVE THE LARGE FLOOD PLAN/GREEN SPACE IN THE MIDDLE THAT IS MORE PASSIVE RECREATIONAL AREAS. SO, PHASE TWO WILL HAVE A MIX OF 45 AND 80 FEET WIDE LOTS , TYPE C, D, E, F, AND G , THEY WILL CONNECT OFF THE EAST. THE HIKING TRAILS WILL BE EXTENDED TO THE NORTHWEST, AND THAT IS WITHIN THE FLOODPLAIN OR THE RECREATIONAL AREA. AND THEN PHASE THREE WHICH WILL BE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE AREA WILL BE A MIX OF 30 TO 50 FEET WIDE LOTS , TYPES A, B, AND C. THIS INCLUDES THE MIXED-USE TRACK THAT WILL COME FORTH AT A LATER POINT WITHIN SEP. AND THEN PORTIONS OF THE THOROUGHFARE WILL BE CONSTRUCTED WITH THAT PHASE THREE. ONE OF THE THINGS WE ASKED THEM TO DO IS KNOCK TO CONNECTED. WITHIN THE FIRST PHASE ONE, PHASE TWO, DON'T CONNECTED . THEY REDID THAT, SO THEY WILL BE HAVING ALL OF THEIR EXITS GOING OUT AND OVERLOOKING STATES ON THE ROAD AS WELL AS THE NEW, YET TO BE NAMED THOROUGHFARE TEASE DOWN AND HIGHWAY 67 SERVICE ROAD. SO HERE, THIS IS JUST A BROADER VIEW OF ALL OF THE PHASES PUT TOGETHER. SO, PHASE ONE WILL HAVE 7840 FEATS, 73 50 FEET , 21 , 70S, PHASE TWO WILL HAVE 95 45S , 85 UNITS OF 45 FOOT LOTS, ONE 60 FOOT LOT, AND 28 80S. 
          PHASE THREE IS 134 30 FOOT LOTS , AS WELL AS 6050 FOOT LOTS. YOU CAN SEE THE MIXED-USE AREA THEY ARE TO THE LEFT ON YOUR SCREEN. 
          SO, WITHIN THE AMENITIES IN THIS AREA, THERE IS 20% OPEN SPACE IN ACCESS OF THE FLOODPLAIN. THERE WILL BE TRAILS, WORKOUT STATIONS, KILLIAN'S, TABLES, PLAYGROUNDS , THE UPGRADED THOROUGH FAIRS, WHICH WE HAVEN'T TALKED TO EXTENSIVELY ABOUT. THERE'LL BE NO HOUSES IN THE THOROUGH FAIRS, SO NO HOUSES BACKING INTO THE THOROUGH FAIRS THAT HAVE DONE A REALLY GOOD JOB OF HAVING THOSE SLIP STREAKS, AND THOSE FEATURES ENHANCE WAYS . THERE'S PAPER BLOCK AT THE CROSSING , WIDE SIDEWALKS, AS WELL AS DEPUTY PROVIDED. THIS IS AN AREA I AM GOING TO NEED AREA C. THERE WILL BE A POOL IN THIS ONE, A PLAYGROUND AREA, AND THEN A PICKLEBALL SPORTS COURT. THIS IS ALONG THE MAIN -- THIS IS THE THOROUGHFARE AREA. IT WILL EVENTUALLY AND ABOUT 67. THIS IS ALSO ON THOROUGHFARE CAPITAL EIGHT. AND THIS ONE DOES HAVE PROBABLY ABOUT 20 PARKING AREAS. I BELIEVE THEY ARE ONLY NINE BY 18, THOUGH. YOU MIGHT HAVE TO LOOK AT THAT A LITTLE BIT 
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CLOSER. BECAUSE HERE, WE HAVE A SMALL PLAY AREA WITH JUST SOME PLAYGROUND AMENITIES, BUT THEY DO HAVE PARALLEL PARKING ALONG THAT SPOT. THAT IS OFF THE STREET. SO, THAT ALLOWS PEOPLE ACCESS TO ANY OF THE TRAFFIC ON THIS AREA. HERE, WE HAVE DEDICATION AREAS . I WILL LET THESE GUYS BEGIN LITTLE BIT MORE, BECAUSE I WILL PROBABLY SPEAK, BECAUSE THE MAIN PIPELINE DEDICATION, IS THAT 30 FEET? 50 FEET, AND THEY DID IT IN 200. 
          SO, THAT IS KIND OF THE SPINE THAT RUNS FROM THE SOUTHEAST TO THE NORTHWEST, AND THEN OF COURSE, THAT TRAIL CONNECTS DOWN THROUGH THE REMAINING GREEN SPACE AND FLOODPLAIN AREAS. THEY DO HAVE SOME CONNECTIONS INTO THE STREETS, SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO GO ALL THE WAY AROUND. YOU HAVE ACCESS TO THESE TRAILS THROUGHOUT THE NEIGHBORHOOD. SO, THAT IS THE PARKLAND DEDICATION. 
          AND THIS IS JUST A LITTLE BIT MORE CONCISE , AT LEAST IN THE LOTS THAT THEY ARE REQUESTING . THE PD SAID A VARIETY OF LOT SIZES. THERE IS A MINIMUM LOT COUNT FOR 60, 70, AND 80 FOOT LOTS, AND A MAXIMUM LOT COUNT OF 30, 45, AND 50. THAT IS WHY WE ONLY ALLOW 35 ON THE SMALLER LOTS, AND THEN 75 FOR THE LARGER LOTS. TYPE A LOTS, WHICH IS BEING CONVERTED INTO TAPE B LOTS , THEY CAN BASICALLY GET LARGER. THEY HAVE A TEXAS RANCH THEME , AND THEN, THERE IS ANTI-MONOTONY PROVISIONS IN THERE. IT IS ALL BASICALLY FLEXIBLE TO THE LOT SIZE. SO, THE TYPE A LOTS IN PHASE THREE OUR ALLEYWAYS FOR A GARAGE. REAR BACK SETBACK IS 20 FEET. THESE ARE ESSENTIALLY ZERO LOT LINE HOMES . AIR-CONDITIONED SPACE WOULD BE 15 SQUARE FEET WITH 342 GARAGES, 18 BY 19 FEET LANDSCAPING, AND THEN THE MIXED-USE TRACK WILL NOT BE INCLUDED IN PHASE ONE, TWO, OR THREE. DETAILED SITE PLANS WILL GO INTO THESE COMMISSIONS AS WELL AS THE CITY COUNCIL , AND THEN THE MULTI FAMILY RESIDENTIAL USE WITHIN THAT WILL REQUIRE A SPECIFIC USE PERMITS , AND THINGS WILL BE A LOT IN THAT AREA. SO, P AND Z DID RECOMMEND APPROVAL . WE DID GET A LETTER FROM , WHO WAS THAT? LAKE SONG . WE HAVE A RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL, BUT THEY BASICALLY SAID THEY WANT THE STREETS THAT IS TO THE FAR LEFT OF THIS DRAWING TO CONTINUE ON AT THAT MIXED-USE AREA SO WE BASICALLY DON'T PLAY ON OUR SIDE OF THE 
          LAKE. ANY QUESTIONS? >> I AM SURE THERE WILL BE. THIS 
          IS A PUBLIC HEARING. >> 
          >> THAT'S IT. >> ARE YOU WITH THE APPLICANT? 
          >> NO, SIR. >> OKAY, COME ON UP. 
          >> I HAVE MET MANY OF YOU ALL IN MY CAPACITY. AS WE ALL KNOW, THAT IS 2700. ABOUT 760 OF THAT IS LOCATED IN THE CITY OF MIDLOTHIAN. IT'S A MUCH BETWEEN THE LAKE FLOODPLAIN IN THE POTENTIAL MIXED-USE IN THE BLUEBONNET FIELDS CONCEPT PLAN. 
          NO WISH YOU WITH THE ZONING, JUST WANTED TO PROTECT THOSE ACRES AND PROVIDE ACCESS TO IT AT THE HIGHEST LEVEL , THAT WE REQUIREMENT GOES WITH THE LAND-USE MIXED-USE AND PORTIONS GET SOLD OFF. THAT IS ALL. THANK YOU. 
          >> THANK YOU. >> ANY OTHER SPEAKERS? OKAY. 
          WITH NO OTHER SPEAKERS, I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION. MOTION MADE TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING BY COMMISSIONER RODGERS . PLEASE VOTE. THAT ITEM IS CLOSED 7-0. CAN WE START THE DISCUSSION RIGHT THERE I GUESS? THE DISCUSSION OF THE CONNECTIVITY? 
          AND ACCESS TO LAKE SONG? >> I HAVE A PRESENTATION TO NOTE 
          THAT. >> OKAY. 
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          >> WE MADE SURE WE PUT THAT IN OUR PD. THAT OUR PD. OUR D.A. WE WILL GET THIS APPROVED, BUT WE ARE HAPPY TO PUT LANGUAGE IN THEIR THAT IS BASICALLY WE WILL PROVIDE RIGHT-OF-WAY CONNECTION TO WHEREVER THAT THOROUGHFARE IS. I DON'T KNOW IF IT COMES ACROSS ON PHASE THREE . THAT'S ACTUALLY A WIDER THOROUGHFARE MODE. MAYBE I CAN SHOW YOU ALL. I CAN RUN THROUGH AND FIND THE PICTURE. I CAN'T. OKAY, THAT IS FINE. YOU SEE HOW THERE ARE SOME SQUIGGLY LINES IN THERE? BECAUSE PARALLEL PARKING GO THROUGH THERE. THAT THEY WIDER THOROUGHFARE. WE ARE GIVING RIGHT-OF-WAY TODAY . BECAUSE WE DON'T EXACTLY KNOW WHERE THAT ROAD IS GOING TO BE FOR ENGINEERING. BUT IN OUR PD , WE PLAN ON WORKING WITH THEM. IT DEPENDS REALLY ON WHAT THEY DO. 
          WE ARE HAPPY TO DO THAT AND WRITE THAT INTO OUR PD AND OUR D.A.. I WILL EMAIL JOE AND GET THAT LANGUAGE WRITTEN IN. 
          >> YOU SAID THIS BEFORE, BUT IN MY OPINION, IT'S IMPERATIVE 
          THAT THESE TWO WORK TOGETHER. >> WE KNOW EACH OTHER. WE ARE TWO OWNERS THAT KNOW EACH OTHER VERY WELL. 
          >> OKAY, IF YOU WANT TO ROLL THREE A PRESENTATION? 
          >> I KNOW YOU WILL HAVE BEEN HERE FOR QUITE A BIT TODAY. AS WE SAID, A LOT OF YOU HAVE SEEN THIS IN SOME CAPACITY IN A WORK SESSION , OR A COUNCIL WORK SESSION . SO, JUST OVER A YEAR. 
          JUST QUICKLY, WHAT IS GOING ON WITH THE COMPANY, IT IS A PRIVATE DEVELOPMENT COMPANY. FOUR YEARS EXPERIENCE WITH OVER 140 PROJECTS GOT PACKED ALL AROUND. JUST SOME EXAMPLES OF OUR PROJECTS , WE SAW A LOT OF THESE DURING OUR PRESENTATION. 
          LIKE I SAID BEFORE , WE PLAN WITH STAFF . WE ALL TOOK SOME COMPARISONS AS WELL . COMPARISONS BEST PRACTICES FOR SUBDIVISIONS THAT WE ALL HAD MENTIONED IN PICTURED IN OUR CONVERSATIONS. THE SLIP STREETS, AND TRYING TO AVOID ANY PICTURE DOWN TO THE SOUTH WHERE WE TRY TO AVOID LOTS BACKING UP TO THOROUGH FAIRS , WELL, THEY ARE BOTH SLIP STREETS. JUST ACCOMMODATION OF SLIP STREETS AND THOROUGH FAIRS. HERE ARE JUST SOME EXAMPLES OF SLIP STREETS AND OTHER PROPERTIES. AS I SAID, WE HAD OUR FIRST MEETING IN MARCH LAST YEAR. THAT WAS THE WORK SESSION THAT WE HAD WITH STAFF. WE HAD OUR WORKSHOP IN DECEMBER , AND THE PROGRESSION OF THE PLANS. A LOT OF LOTS BACKING UP TO THE THOROUGHFARE. LET'S JUST PUT STUFF ON PAPER AND START TALKING ABOUT IT. IT WAS ORIGINALLY 50 FEET THERE , SO AS WE PROGRESS THROUGH, WE STARTED MIXING LOTS , MIXING LOT TYPES AND LOT SIZES , MIXING DENSITIES , AND STILL HAVE LOTS BACKING UP THE STREET. WE CAME IN WITH SOME OF THE DENSITY AND 
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SOME BACK AREAS WITH LARGER LOTS AND THOROUGH FAIRS , AND INCLUDED THE ADDED SLIP STREETS. BY DOING THAT , WE CAME WITH OPEN SPACE AND EFFICIENCY IN THE PLAN. REMOVED THE GAS LINE TO 200 FEET WIDE . HERE, WE HAVE NO LOTS BACKED UP TO THE THOROUGHFARE. OPEN SPACE INCREASE WITH THE PLAN DESIGN ALMOST 45%. OVER 20% . THIS WAS OUR DECEMBER 24TH COUNSEL PRESENTATION. THERE ARE A COUPLE THINGS POINTED OUT TO US TO MAKE SOME MORE OPEN SPACE AND CONNECTIVITY . WE TALKED ABOUT ON STREET PARKING WITH A TALENT AREA . WE WORKED WITH STAFF TO LINE THE STREETS BETTER. THAT IS WHAT WE HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH AND TWEAKING THIS PLAN ON OVER THE LAST THREE MONTHS, MAKING SURE ROAD ALIGNMENTS WERE CONTAINED. WE HAVE BEEN WORKING DILIGENTLY ON THAT. SO, WHAT WE HAVE DONE SINCE THEN IS INCREASE THE HIKING TRAIL. IT WAS ORIGINALLY 10 FEET. WE ADDED SOME MORE OPEN SPACE TO CUL-DE-SACS AND OPEN SPACES TO ACCESS THE TRAIL AND A LOT MORE PLACES. ADDED MEETING OPENINGS AND THOROUGH FAIRS , ADDED THE BRICK PAVERS , MEDIAN NOSES, AND JUST ADDED DETAILS. TO INCREASE THE OF THE PROJECT. AS CLYDE SAID, THE CURRENT ZONING OF THE PROPERTY ALLOWS FOR ABOUT 1518 LOTS FOR ZONING AT THAT. THE COMPLAINT IS SHOWING 2500 , SO THIS CONVERSATION IS WELL UNDER THAT COMP PLAN. NOW, WE ARE STILL IN LINE. DENSITY SUMMARY, WE ARE PROPOSING 1700 LOTS. 
          THERE IS ABOUT 414 ACRES OF IT , AND 14 THAT IS A FLOODPLAIN. THE 415 UNITS ARE MULTI FAMILY. PROPOSED IS 1521. IT'S RIGHT ON THE SAME AS THE COMP PLAN. COMPARED TO SURROUNDING USES, WE COMPARED TO MOST OF OUR NEIGHBORS . THE MULTIFAMILIES TO THE SOUTH MATCHES THE BREAKER. SO, THE SURROUNDING MIXED USES ARE ALIGNED WITH OUR NEIGHBORS. OH, MY TIME IS UP. 
          WE CAN TAKE QUESTIONS OR GO THROUGH SOME OF THE AMENITIES. 
          >> COUNSEL CAN ASK SPECIFIC QUESTIONS REGARDING ANY OF THIS STUFF. I JUST FAILED TO MENTION THAT WE HAVE HAD PAST RESOLUTIONS IN SUPPORT OF THIS LEGISLATURE ON THIS DEVELOPMENT , AND TO HIS POINT, THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT WILL BE 
          FORTHCOMING. >> I JUST WANT TO CONFIRM , YOU MENTIONED IN YOUR PRESENTATION, CLYDE, THE ACCESS FOR THIS IS GOING TO BE AT 67 AND OVERLOOKED? THEY BOTH TIE INTO 
          287 . >> IN THAT TIME, THERE WILL BE A 
          TRAFFIC STUDY AND EVERYTHING. >> COUNSEL, ANY QUESTIONS FOR 
          ROSS? START WITH YOU. >> I HAVE SOME QUESTIONS AROUND THE PARKLAND DEDICATION. I MEAN OBVIOUSLY, IT LOOKS LIKE DEVELOPERS ARE GOING TO INSTALL THE TRAIL SYSTEM FOR DEDICATION OF THAT. WHERE ARE WE GOING TO PARK PEOPLE THAT WANT TO GO VISIT THAT PARK? TYLER, DO YOU WANT TO COME ON DOWN HERE TO 
          TALK PARKS? >> THEY WOULD PROBABLY PARK IN 
          THE AMENITY AREAS. >> IN THE AMENITY AREAS. 
          >> 
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IN BETWEEN . THAT'S THE FIRST AREA, AND YOU CAN TELL ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT WHAT WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT IS A DISC GOLF 
          AREA. >> CORRECT. WE ON THE LAND JUST NORTH OF THAT THAT GOES BEHIND THE HOMES THROUGH THERE. SO, WE HAVE BEEN DISCUSSING FOR A WHILE TO POSSIBLY DO A NINE HOLE FRISBEE GOLF COURSE IN THERE. SO, WITH PHIL DONATING THE LAND YES TO IT , THERE IS A CREEK THAT RUNS THROUGH THERE, SO WE CAN MAKE IT A MUCH MORE INTERESTING COURSE THAN JUST THE FLAT SECTION. WE CAN SWITCH IT UP. BUT THE POSSIBILITY OF PARKING RIGHT ON THE EDGE OVER THERE PLUS THE AMENITY CENTER'S , WE HAVE THE ABILITY OF POSSIBLE PARKING RIGHT OFF OF , WHAT IS THAT, ON THE ROAD? THAT COMES UP, THERE IS AN AREA RIGHT THERE. SO, IT IS IMPOSSIBLE SIDE PARKING THERE, AND IN THE AMENITY AREAS TO ALLOW FOR USE OF THE TRAILS. 
          >> 
          >> NO ABSOLUTELY. THAT WAS MY MAIN CONCERN. THAT WAS GOING TO BE A VERY DEEP AREA THAT WE CAN DO, YOU KNOW, MOUNTAIN BIKE TRAILS , OR CLARK MENTIONED A GOLF COURSE, BUT A FRISBEE GOLF 
          COURSE WOULD BE REALLY GOOD. >> IT'S A LITTLE LESS EXPENSIVE 
          TO MAINTAIN. >> I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IT IS SOMETHING THAT ANY RESIDENT CAN GO THROUGH. IT FEELS LIKE WE ARE MAINTAINING THAT IS PUBLIC PARKING. 
          >> EXACTLY. WITH THIS DEVELOPMENT, WE HAVE THINGS BACK HERE AS WELL THAT HAVE BEEN IN DISCUSSION ABOUT DEDICATION. WE KIND OF MOVED THE TRAIL OVER, BECAUSE OUR HOPE IS WHEN THE TWO IT TOGETHER, DEPENDING ON HOW THAT WORKS, THE PARKLAND WILL BE CONNECTED OVER INTO LAKE SONG AS WELL. THAT WILL CONTINUE TRAILS OFF THROUGH THAT DEVELOPMENT AS WELL. 
          >> THANK YOU. >> CLARK? 
          >> MAYBE I MISSED IT. BUT I GUESS I NEVER REALIZED, THERE IS NO CURRENT ON THE CURRENT ZONING , IS THERE? 
          >> THERE IS CURRENTLY NO MULTI FAMILY AND HOW IT IS CURRENTLY 
          ZONED. >> YEAH, IT'S OVER TO THE LEFT. 
          WHAT IS A, 2.5? >> THAT IS OVER IN THE EAST SIDE 
          FOR PHASE ONE AND PHASE TWO. >> OKAY. PE 49 ALLOWS THE NEXT CURRENT . HOW MANY UNITS WOULD BE ALLOWED? 
          >> 450. >> 450? OKAY. HOW MANY LOTS ARE 
          ALLOWED FOR ZONING? >> 15 TO 18 ON THAT ONE, 15 TO 
          19 ON THE OTHER ONE. >> IS CURRENTLY 15 THROUGH 18 TOTAL? AND YOU ARE AT A 1520? 21? OKAY. 
          >> I JUST WANTED TO POINT OUT , THE OVERALL DEVELOPMENT FOR THOSE UNITS , RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT EXPANSIVE 250 UNITS FOR A GRAND TOTAL OF 850 UNITS. 
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          >> AGAIN, WITH THE MIXED USE, WE WILL BE BACK WITH THE SITE PLAN. 
          AND EVEN SURE WHAT IT IS GOING TO BE, WE ARE A LONG WAYS FROM PLANNING WHAT THAT IS GOING TO BE. 
          COUNCIL? >> I HAVE A QUESTION , WHAT IS THE LOT SIZE OF THE OVERLOOK ESTATES, RIGHT THERE, ADJACENT 
          TO IT? >> THAT IS A GOOD QUESTION. I 
          DON'T -- >> I KNOW WHAT THE DENSITY WAS, 
          BUT WHAT WERE THE LOT SIZES? >> 60S , I THINK THAT IS 
          PROBABLY IT. >> PROBABLY 7000 SQUARE FOOT. 
          >> AND THE REASON -- >> ABOUT 60 , 70. 
          >> SO, THE REASON THAT THE DENSITY IS PROPORTIONATELY THE SAME, ALL OF THAT GREEN SPACE IS CHANGING THE RATIO OF THE TOTAL 
          DEVELOPMENT SIZE? >> YEAH, YEAH, AND THE MULTIFAMILY, THE MAJORITY OF THAT IS THE GREEN SPACE, IN THE MIDDLE, THAT WRAPS AROUND THE DEVELOPMENT. 
          >> SO? ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I WANT TO GO BACK TO. ORIGINALLY WE WERE TALKING ABOUT 50 LOTS, THAT IS A LITTLE DIFFERENT THAN 
          30. >> THAT IS A WORK SESSION, WE SHOULD YOU SOME PICTURES AT THE END OF THE PRESENTATION. ALL FRONT ENTRY, THE COTTAGE HOMES, TAKE IT AWAY, THEY ARE REAR-INJURY COTTAGE-STYLE HOMES. I HAVE SOME PICTURES OF THEM. 
          >> THAT KIND OF LED ME TO THE NEXT QUESTION, TECHNICALLY THAT IS 420 SQUARE FEET, THIS IS NOT LESS THAN 342, THEN IT GOES ON TO SAY SOMETHING ABOUT LESS THAN 18 FOOT, ARE THEY PLANNING TO BE 20 BY 20, EVEN THOUGH YOU HAVE 
          THE 24-FOOT-WIDE -- >> YEAH. 
          >> OKAY. 
          >> ARE WE GOOD, CLARK? >> ROSS ? 
          >> SPEAKING TO THE LOT SIZES, I HAVE LONG RAILED AGAINST LOT SIZE AS THE METRIC BY WHICH WE SHOULD MAKE DECISIONS. WE ARE REALLY LOOKING AT THE OVERALL DENSITY, RIGHT? HOW MANY TOTAL INDIVIDUAL LIVING UNITS WILL EXIST ? WHEN WE GET TO THE END OF THE DAY, YOU KNOW, QUITE FRANKLY, FOR ME, IT IS, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER THE MARGIN OF ERROR ON THE LOT ITSELF, I AM MORE CONCERNED, AND THIS IS IN ALIGNMENT, WITH WHAT THE COMP PLAN SAYS IS SUPPOSED TO BE OUT THERE, IT IS CONGRUENT WITH WHAT LAKE SONG DEVELOPMENT WILL HAVE, OVERLOOK . GO ACROSS THE STREET TO THE WEBSITE, THERE ARE ELEMENTS OF THIS THAT EXIST IN ALL OF THEM. AND I HAVE HAD A LOT OF, YOU KNOW, RESIDENTS THAT HAVE RAISED THEIR KIDS , 3000, 3500 SQUARE-FOOT HOUSE, THEY LOOK UP, ALL THE KIDS ARE GONE . AND THEY ARE REALLY QUESTIONING, DO I WANT TO MAINTAIN THIS? I WANT TO BE ABLE TO TRAVEL TO WHERE MY KIDS ARE, I LOOK AT THIS PRODUCT AS SOMETHING, THE CONCEPT OF, YOU KNOW, CAN WE SERVE OUR CITIZENS, FROM BIRTH, TO THE GRAVE. THERE IS AN IMPORTANT SECTION OF LIFE, WHERE IT MAY BE MORE IMPORTANT TO SOMEBODY TO LOCK IT UP, LEAVE, AND NOT HAVE A MUCH OF -- AS MUCH MAINTENANCE, WHEN YOU ARE GONE. I DON'T WANT TO SEE IT ALL OVER AGAIN, OVER AN ENTIRE DEVELOPMENT, BUT AS A PART OF THE WHOLE TAPESTRY, IT IS SOMETHING DIFFERENT, AS LONG AS WE KEEP THE NET DENSITY DOWN , I 
          DON'T HAVE OPPOSITION TO IT. >> I HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THIS FOR A COUPLE OF YEARS NOW. IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, IT CAUGHT ME KIND OF IN A WEIRD SPOT. I THINK THAT WE SHOULD TYPICALLY LOOK AT THINGS AT NET DENSITY AND NOT GET SO FED UP 
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WITH LOT SIZE. WHAT MAKES YOURS PARTICULARLY DIFFERENT, YOU HAVE SO MUCH FLOOD , THAT IT ALMOST MAKES ME SAY, OKAY, I DON'T CHANGE THE ZONING AT ALL AND I AM GOING TO GET LESS UNITS ANYWAY BECAUSE OF THE AMOUNT OF BLOOD ON PROPERTY, THEN THE CURRENT UNITS YOU ARE PROPOSING HERE, OR, I MEAN, WELL, PRETTY CLOSE. I WOULD BEG TO DIFFER, IT WOULD BE LESS THAN WHAT YOU ARE 
          PROPOSING. >> WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT IT , THE ORIGINAL PAYOUT USED UP EVERY INCH OF IT . 
          >> YOU REENGINEERED ALL THE FLOOD PLANES ? 
          >> THE FLOOD PLANES HAD A VERY SIMILAR LOT COUNT, WE INCREASED THE OPEN SPACE, HIGH AND DRY ON OURS, BY 45%, SO WE INCREASED OPEN SPACES ALL AROUND . SO , THE LOT COUNT, IF WE MAXED IT OUT, 60S, 70S, 80S, WE WOULD HAVE A VERY SIMILAR LOT COUNT . 
          AND THROUGH THE WORK SESSION, IT WAS GATHER DENSITY IN CERTAIN AREAS, MULTIPLE DIFFERENT LOT SIZES, LOT CATEGORIES, AND BY DOING THAT, WE ARE ABLE TO INCREASE THE OPEN SPACE. THE TRAIL THROUGH THE MIDDLE WAS 50 FOOT BEFORE , MANY AREAS HAVE DOUBLED. AND WE HAVE ADDED MORE OPEN SPACES. THEN , WHAT WE WERE ABLE TO DO, THE FLOOD PLANE HAS REALLY NOTHING TO DO WITH THE 
          DESIGN AFTER. >> THAT SLIDE -- 
          >> I'M SORRY. >> IT'S ALL GOOD . 
          >> CAN WE PLEASE PULL THE PRESENTATION BACK UP, NOW THAT 
          YOU GOT RID OF IT? >> I MEAN, I THINK IT IS AN IMPORTANT POINT TO LOOK AT. THE FIRST I SAW ON THIS WAS VERY MUCH, IF WE JUST RIDE THIS THING OUT WITH THE EXISTING ZONING, 
          HERE IS WHAT WE CAN BACK INTO. >> YEAH . 
          >> SAME AMOUNT OF LOTS . >> YEAH , 1039, THEY ARE AT 
          1071. >> WE PROBABLY COULD HAVE FORCED THE FLOODPLAIN AREAS. THERE ARE AREAS . SO, WHAT WE DID, YOU CAN TELL THE DIFFERENCE IN THE TWO OPEN SPACES. 
          >> THERE WAS A MAJOR CHANGE , ALL THE THOROUGHFARES NOW HAVE SUBSTRATES AND HOUSES, NO BACKS OF HOUSES. 
          >> THIS IS THE BEST WAY TO LOOK AT IT, YOU CAN SEE THE OPEN SPACE IS ADDED. AND WE HAVE 20% OF THE FLOODPLAIN OPEN SPACE. 
          >> NON-FLOOD? OKAY. >> THEN YOU HAVE THE FLOODPLAIN, IT WENT FROM THE ORIGINAL PLAN AND INCREASED ALMOST 45% AND A 
          NUMBER OF ACRES. >> GOOD? FURTHER QUESTIONS OR 
          MOTIONS ? YEAH ? >> I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE , WE ARE TAKING SOME OF PD 49 OUT. I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT PD 49 , THE BALANCE OF IT, YOU CANNOT GO BACK UP TO A FULL 850 LOTS OF MULTI FAMILY. HOW DO WE MAKE SURE THAT THIS 450 COMES OUT OF THE 850, TO MAKE SURE THERE REMAINING BALANCE IS ONLY 400 ? I DO NOT WANT TO GO FROM 850 TO 1300, BECAUSE OF THIS, THIS 
          ZONING REQUEST. >> I DON'T KNOW THAT I CAN 
          ANSWER THAT, WITHOUT THAT PD. >> THIS IS THE LAST AREA. 
          >> YOU HAVE THOSE AREAS SURROUNDING THE DARREN LIKE 
          APARTMENTS. >> IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, 
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THERE WERE SOME AREAS, I WANT TO SAY TO THE NORTH , THAT THEY HAD ALSO, I THOUGHT THERE WAS AN AREA, I AM NOT SAYING THEY WOULD, BUT THEY COULD HAVE CONVERTED THAT AND PUTS A MULTI FAMILY THERE, AND THAT THOUGHT CAME TO MIND. I JUST DON'T WANT TO DOUBLE THE INCREASE BY MULTI FAMILY. 
          >> YEAH, WE HAD A COUPLE OF DISCUSSIONS, WITH THE PROPERTY OWNER , AND PEOPLE HAVE BEEN INTERESTED IN THAT PROPERTY, AND WE TOLD THEM, OUR OPINION. AS PLANNING DIRECTOR , THAT IT WAS BASED ON THE NUMBER OF PROJECTS, AND NOT BASED ON THE NUMBER OF UNITS, AND THAT THIS WOULD CAP THE NUMBER OF PROJECTS. AND SO, WE TOLD THEM, IF THEY WANTED MORE, THEY WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK AND REZONE. AND THEY WOULD NOT ARGUE WITH US ON THAT . 
          >> JUST GIVING CONSENT TO DO THE REZONING . DO WHAT? 
          >> DID WE COVER THAT ? >> ONCE THE ZONING IS APPROVED, UNLESS SOMEONE TELLS ME SOMETHING DIFFERENT, I DON'T KNOW HOW WE DO THAT RIGHT HERE. I DO WISH WE HAD THOUGHT OF THAT 
          EARLIER. I KNOW. >> IS THERE A WAY? OVER THERE , TO THE LEFT? IS THERE A WAY TO TAP THAT NUMBER OF MULTI FAMILY UNITS, BASED ON THE SURROUNDING PROPERTIES ' MULTI FAMILY 
          UNITS? >> 
          >> THAT IS MIXED USE, THAT IS WHAT THE SITE PLAN WILL BE 
          REQUIRED FOR. >> CAN WE, CAN WE APPROVE THE 
          REMAINDER OF IT? I KNOW -- >> DON'T MAKE IT COMPLICATED. 
          >> SO -- >> WE ARE GETTING OFF TRACK. 
          >> I'M SORRY. >> YOU ARE ASKING TO DO THAT ON 
          CRM 2025? >> AT THIS POINT , WE ARE WORKING WITH THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT AND WE SHOULD BE 
          COMING BACK IN TWO WEEKS. >> SHOULD WE JUST CONTINUED THIS 
          ITEM? >> 
          HANDLE IT . >> LET'S GET JOE. 
          >> IT IS ALREADY PART OF PD 49, RIGHT ? IF WE TAKE NO ACTION ON IT TONIGHT, IT IS STILL , IT FALLS BACK TO PD-49 , WHICH WOULD ALLOW FOR THE MULTI FAMILY. YEAH, WHETHER YOU APPROVE IT OR DON'T APPROVE IT, YOU CAN STILL DO THE SAME THING, WITHIN THE OVERALL DEVELOPMENT, MEANING THE ENTIRE AMENDMENT -- THE NUMBER OF RESIDENTIAL UNITS CANNOT EXCEED 800 UNITS IN THE CR YOU ARE , IN , AN ADDITIONAL 250 IN THE MIXED USE FOR A GRAND TOTAL OF 850 UNITS, IT IS ALREADY APPROVED. 
          >> WE NEED TO TAKE OUT THE CR ? >> FOR TONIGHT, IT STAYS IN ? 
          >> CORRECT , IS THERE A REFERENCE TO IT, IN HERE? 
          >> SECTION CAPITAL OPEN >> CR , MF ? 
          >> OKAY. >> SO, MF WOULD COME OUT , THEN WE NEED TO DO THE MINUTES FOR THE DESCRIPTION OF THE PROPERTY, 
          CORRECT? >> I'M SORRY? 
          >> O WOULD COME OUT. >> YES. 
          >> WE WOULD DO AN AMENDMENT TO REMOVE THAT PORTION. 
          >> FROM THE ZONING ALTOGETHER . 
          >> SO, APPROVAL OF THIS, LESS CR MF , IT IS MF-25? 
          >> 
          WILL REMAIN . PD -49 ? >> LET'S FORMULATE A MOTION. 
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          >> A MOTION TO APPROVE AS PRESENTED , EXCEPT FOR REMOVING 
          OUT OF , WHAT NUMBER IS THIS? >> SECTION CAPITAL OPEN 
          >> THE CR MF 25 TRACK, REMAINING IN PD-49 AND AMENDING THE DESCRIPTION OF THE PROPERTY, AS WELL AS THE CONCEPT PLAN? 
          >> YES. >> OH. 
          >> LANDSCAPE PLANNING, I THINK? EXHIBITS A THROUGH -- 
          >> F? >> I NEED TO JUST INDICATE, PD-49, UNDERLYING , IT SAYS THAT MULTI FAMILY DEVELOPMENT SHOULD BE LIMITED TO NO MORE THAN 40 ACRES, WITH RESPECT FOR THE 
          WHOLE PROJECT. >> 30 ACRES? 
          >> WE HAVE SOME DEVELOPED OUT OF PD-49. 
          >> THEY HAVE HAD PLANS IN THE PAST, TO THE WEST OF THE 
          APARTMENTS. >> PD-49? 
          >> YEAH. >> WE ARE NOT EVEN AT 400 MULTI 
          FAMILY UNITS . >> I HAVE SAID IT, SINCE THE BEGINNING, I AM CONCERNED WITH THE SINGLE-FAMILY, THAT IS A YEAR DOWN THE ROAD, THEY DECIDED TO MAKE THEIR WAY AROUND. ABOUT 
          WHAT WE ARE GOING TO DO. >> SO, WE ARE GOING TO CARVE OUT 
          THE MULTI FAMILY PERSON ? >> IT WILL REMAIN IN PD-49, 
          WHICH ALLOWS US -- >> YEAH. 
          >> UNTIL WE FIGURE THAT OUT, THE MULTI FAMILY COULD STILL HAVE THIS HIGH DENSITY THAT WE ARE IMPROVING? 
          >> YES, NOTHING WILL BE CHANGING . IT IS JUST WHAT IS REMAINING 
          THERE , NOW. >> IS EVERYBODY CLEAR ON THAT? 
          >> I AM NOT TRYING TO THROW ANYMORE SNOWBALLS, BUT IF Y'ALL LET ME GET SOME REST BACK THERE , BUT MY QUESTION IS, IT MAKES A REFERENCE TO TOTAL LOT COUNT, WHICH WILL BE DECREASING, BECAUSE THE TOTAL LOT COUNT REFERENCED THE MULTI FAMILY LOTS. AND FOR CLARIFICATION, WHEN THE MOTION IS MADE, WE NEED TO DECREASE THE LOT COUNT , BY 450. 
          >> I WANT EVERYBODY ON THE SAME PAGE. 
          >> LOT COUNT? OR UNIT COUNT ? >> I HAVE GOT TO GO BACK TO THE 
          ORDINANCE. >> I MEAN, TO ME -- IT 
          >> IT INCLUDES THE COUNT , CORRECT? 
          >> I SEE -- >> F IS THE PHASING PLAN. 
          >> OKAY, IT MAKES ANOTHER REFERENCE UNDER MULTI FAMILY. 
          THAT IS WHAT WE ARE TAKING OUT. OKAY. 
          >> WHO IS BRAVE ENOUGH TO TRY TO ARTICULATE THE MOTION? 
          >> WHY DON'T YOU CITE IT? >> I WILL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE, AS RECOMMENDED, WITH THE REMOVAL OF SECTION 2, ITEM O FROM THE PROPOSED ZONING ORDINANCE, AND THE AMENDMENT OF THE BOUNDARY OF THE PROPERTY, TO OMIT THE TRACK LABELED AS CR-MR-25 . AND EXHIBITS A THROUGH F, ACCORDINGLY. 
          >> YES. >> YES. 
          >> WHICH INCLUDE THE LOT COUNTS. 
          >> INCLUDING EXHIBITS A THROUGH F. 
          >> WE HAVE A MOTION, DO WE HAVE A SECOND? 
          >> SECOND. >> MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN WEAVER, AND WE HAVE A SECOND. PLEASE VOTE. ITEM PASSES, 5-2 . 
          OKAY. THANK YOU, GENTLEMEN, I APPRECIATE YOUR PATIENCE THIS 
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EVENING, MOVING BACK TO REGULAR AGENDA, ITEM 2025-091 , WHICH IS DISCUSSED AND PROVIDE DIRECTION TO STAFF REGARDING THE EXPANSION 
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AND CONSTRUCTION OF SIDEWALKS ALONG AVENUE F, AS REFERENCED IN 
          THE DOWNTOWN PLAN . >> YES, AS YOU MENTIONED, THEY HAVE REQUESTED TO PUT THE GREEN STREET ON THE AGENDA , THIS IS THE CATALYST, PROJECT C OUT OF THE DOWNTOWN MASTER PLAN KIND OF ENVISIONING, THAT IS THE 80-FOOT RIGHT-OF-WAY, 10 FOOT SHARED USE PATHS. THAT IS SLATED FOR THE NORTH SIDE, AND A SIX-FOOT SIDEWALK ON THE OTHER, AS WELL AS PARKING , HEAD-IN BARKING, AND THOSE TYPES OF THINGS. IT DOESN'T HAVE A LOT OF CAVEATS , THERE ARE LOTS OF CARPOOLS . THERE ARE A LOT OF, WHAT YOU CALL IT? ENCROACHMENT AGREEMENTS FOR PRIVATE BUSINESSES ALONG THERE. I WILL LET THE DISCUSSION BEGIN. 
          >> SO, THAT IS WHAT IS PROPOSED, ACCORDING TO THE DOWNTOWN MASTER PLAN, OBVIOUSLY. I BELIEVE -- AND FORGIVE ME. I BELIEVE , I HAD A DISCUSSION I THINK IT WAS IN THE WORKSHOP SETTING. I 
          CANNOT REMEMBER. >> I THINK THAT WAS IN THE 
          WESTERN CONFERENCE ROOM. >> IN THAT DISCUSSION, IT WAS IDEAS , PITCHED , TO HOPEFULLY TRY TO TIE SOME OF THE PROJECT, INTO THE DOWNTOWN PARK PLAN, TO TRY TO DO TWO BIRDS WITH ONE STONE, TO TRY TO DO THEM SIMULTANEOUSLY. FUNDING, ET CETERA , IS GOING TO BECOME A BIG PART OF THAT DISCUSSION. 
          >> I WAS NOT ONE OF THE COUNCILMEMBERS THAT PUT THIS ON 
          THE AGENDA. >> YEAH, SO SOME OF THIS WAS SOMETHING THAT I KNOW WE TOSSED AROUND , WHENEVER WE WERE IN BUDGET TIME, WE TALKED ABOUT SOME OF THE PROJECTS THAT -- THERE WAS THE POTENTIAL TO UTILIZE SOME FUND BALANCE ON THAT WAS UNALLOCATED . WE TALKED ABOUT THE PRIORITIZATION OF HERITAGE PART AND WE TALKED ABOUT OTHER INVESTMENTS DOWNTOWN, INCLUDING THE EXPANSION OF SIDEWALKS, POTENTIALLY STREET PARKING, AND I KNOW AT THE TIME, THERE WAS SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT PUTTING MORE INTO, JUST GENERAL ROAD REHAB . AND TALKING WITH CHRIS , YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE THINGS I AM ALWAYS LOOKING FOR, WHAT ARE SOME REALLY SIGNIFICANT, INEXPENSIVE WINS THAT CAN BE DONE EXPEDIENTLY ? WE HAVE A LOT OF FOCUS ON THE BROAD PROJECT WITH HERITAGE BAR, WHICH I THINK, ESPECIALLY AFTER LAST NIGHT, WE ARE MAKING A LOT OF HEADWAY, I THINK THAT IS GOING TO TAKE, I DON'T THINK AM I KNOW THAT IS GOING TO TAKE A LENGTHY PERIOD OF TIME TO COME TO FRUITION. GOING INTO THE NEXT BUDGET CYCLE AND THINGS LIKE THAT, I THINK THIS IS SOMETHING, BASED ON SOME OF THE PRELIMINARIES, JUST GENERAL NUMBERS THAT HAVE BEEN THROWN AROUND, THAT IS SOMETHING WE COULD TACKLE PRETTY EXPEDIENTLY, AND FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND, COULD BE DONE WITH A VERY QUICK TURNAROUND, AND SO, I JUST WANTED TO PRESENT BUT YOU KNOW, SOME AMOUNT OF URGENCY , AROUND LOOKING AT THIS, AS WELL AS OTHER THINGS IN MIND, THIS ONE IN PARTICULAR SEEMS LIKE SOME LOW-HANGING FRUIT THAT WE COULD GO AHEAD AND TACKLE. 
          >> THANK YOU FOR THAT. I WOULD AGREE . I AM ALL ABOUT GETTING THE PROJECTS DONE, AS WELL, I AM HESITANT TO TAKE MORE BITES OUT OF THE APPLE UNTIL WE NEED -- KNOW THE NUMBERS ON THE BIG APPLE THAT WE ARE TRYING TO TACKLE. MY VERY CONSERVATIVE APPROACH WOULD BE TO DO THAT, AFTER WE HAVE MONEY ALLOCATED, I WOULD NOT WANT TO BE ABLE TO DO THE BIGGER PROJECT, THAT IS JUST MY IMMEDIATE THOUGHT . MARK? ROSS? 
          >> THE HERITAGE PARK BUDGET WILL BE A PHASED PROJECT OF THE PRIMARY CONSENSUS ON THE FUNDING FOR THAT, IS LOOKING TO THE CDC , TYPE B CORPORATION. I THINK THAT IS A SALIENT POINT, THESE ARE EXISTING CITY RIGHT-OF-WAY'S, EXISTING CITY STREETS, ESPECIALLY THE CORRIDOR THAT WOULD CONNECT GAMMEL PARK, BACK INTO DOWNTOWN, AS WE LOOK IN , IT IS A PLAY PARK, IT HAS 
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PLAY SCAPES, IT HAS OPEN SPACE WHERE YOU CAN THROW A FOOTBALL OR FRISBEE, THE OLD BANDSTAND , THE GAZEBO THAT IS OUT THERE NOW, HAVING THAT, TO WHERE IT FEELS LIKE IT IS PART OF WHAT IS GOING ON, DOWNTOWN. I THINK IT TAKES -- TICS THE BOX, AS WE TALK ABOUT HERITAGE PARK OR HERITAGE PLAZA, AND TYING THOSE TWO TOGETHER. I AM A BIG PROPONENT OF USING AN ALLOCATED FUND BALANCE THAT WE HAVE AVAILABLE TO US FOR EXISTING REPAIRS OF EXISTING SIDEWALKS AND CONNECTIVITY. AS WE LOOK AT THE DISTRIBUTED PARKING SITUATION THROUGHOUT THE PROCESS, BEGINNING THE PROCESS OF DEVELOPING ON STREET PARKING THROUGH THESE MAIN CORRIDORS, THAT WILL BECOME A FAIR AMOUNT OF IMPORTANCE, WE CANNOT PAY ENOUGH FOR THE MAXIMUM POTENTIAL OF OUR DOWNTOWN, UNLESS WE DO SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE SIGNIFICANTLY MORE EXPENSIVE, ON THE SCALE OF WHAT WE ARE LOOKING AT SPENDING, AND MAYBE ADD A LITTLE BIT, AND SO, I THINK DOING SOME BEGINNING FEASIBILITY STUDIES, THESE ARE THE EXISTING RIGHT OF WAYS THAT WE OWN, ON WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE BLOCK BY BLOCK, OR, YOU KNOW, A BLOCK SECTION BASIS , SO THAT WE CAN HAVE THAT SALIENT DISCUSSION , ARE WE TALKING ABOUT $250,000? $1 MILLION? I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT A PROJECT LIKE THAT WOULD REALLY COST, I DON'T THINK THAT WE HAVE ENGINEERED OR BEGUN THAT PLANNING PHASE, BEYOND THE WATERCOLOR PAINTING THAT WE ARE LOOKING AT HERE. AND SO, I WOULD DEFINITELY BE INTERESTED IN GETTING AT LEAST A PROPOSAL, OR GET SOME BIDS IN, ON WHAT THAT WOULD COST, TO EVEN DO WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT SO THAT WE 
          KNOW WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT. >> OKAY. 
          >> I HAVE WALKED FROM DOWNTOWN. I DROVE IT AGAIN . I THINK THIS IS PRETTY EASY TO ACCOMPLISH, THE 10 FOOT ON THE NORTH SIDE, THOSE AREAS ARE SET BACK FURTHER, THERE IS STILL SETBACK ON THE SOUTH SIDE, FROM THE PARALLEL PARKING, CHRIS IS IN TOWN, HE HAS MESSAGED ME ABOUT THE SIDEWALK, AND BOTH THE NORTH AND SOUTH SIDE ARE NOT IN THE BEST SHAPE, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT IS EASILY FIXED. LIKE I SAID , WE DO NOT HAVE A PARKING PROBLEM, WE HAVE A CONNECTIVITY PROBLEM, THIS CONNECTS OTT AT OUR DOWNTOWN SECTOR. I HAVE , I THINK IT IS SLIGHTLY IMPROVED, IN A PERFECT WORLD, I THINK I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IT CARRIED ALL THE WAY TO THE FOUNDERS, BECAUSE I BELIEVE THAT WE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO CONNECT OTHER PUBLIC PARKING AREAS, THROUGH SIDEWALKS, FOR PEOPLE TO PARK FURTHER. I WAS IN THE CONFERENCE ROOM. I AM NOT GOING TO HOLD THEM TO IT. THEY SAID MAYBE HALF 
          $1 MILLION. >> THAT WAS JUST FOR PART OF A SIDEWALK, PARKING, ALL OF THOSE THINGS, TO YOUR POINT, THE MASTER PLAN, THE CATALYST PROJECT HAS IT GOING THROUGH 
          FOUNDERS ROW. >> TO ME , IT IS A COUNCIL DECISION, IF IT HAS TO GO ALL THE WAY I MEAN, LET'S LOOK AT THE NORTH SIDE, WHAT IS THE PLAN CALLED FOR, THE 10-FOOT SIDEWALK, AND THE HEAD-IN PARKING THAT ALREADY EXISTS . 
          AND THEN, AS FAR AS FUNDS , IT TOOK ME A WHILE TO UNDERSTAND THIS. I THINK OUR GREATEST MISTAKE IS COMING WHEN WE WERE AT THE OLD CITY HALL, WE DID NOT PLAN HERITAGE PARK, WE HAVE GONE THROUGH CONSTRUCTION FATIGUE AND THAT SORT OF PROJECT. LET'S GO AHEAD AND GET IT DONE. BUT, AS FAR AS THE MONEY GOES, WE ARE SIX MONTHS, MORE THAN SIX MONTHS, INTO OUR BUDGETED YEAR, WE HAVE SET ASIDE A GOOD CHUNK OF MONEY THAT WE HAVE NOT DEDICATED TO ANYTHING. MORE THAN LIKELY, THAT PROJECT THAT WE SET IT ASIDE FOR, WILL HAPPEN IN THE NEXT BUDGET CYCLE. I THINK IT IS 
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A LOW-COST IMPROVEMENT THAT WE CAN GET DONE FAST. 
          >> TO EQUIP STAFF TO DO A FACT-FINDING MISSION. IS THERE ANY OPPOSITION TO THAT IDEA , DO WE NEED TO DISCUSS IT FURTHER ? 
          >> I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS. >> SHOOT. 
          >> IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, OBVIOUSLY, WE HAVE PARALLEL PARKING AND I THOUGHT THERE WAS SOME INFRASTRUCTURE AND MOVEMENT COSTS TO DO THIS , FOR SOME REASON, GOING BACK IN TIME? 
          >> I DON'T KNOW, ABOUT OVERHEAD LINES, IF WE WANTED TO START BURYING LINES , TO GET THIS WATERCOLOR PICTURE, WE WILL HAVE TO START BURYING LINES. I DON'T KNOW WHAT KIND OF UTILITY IS UNDERNEATH THAT. SO, THAT WOULD BE PART OF THE ENGINEERING, WE WOULD HAVE TO GET IN THERE AND START LOOKING AT THAT. 
          >> THE ONLY THING THAT I REMEMBER AROUND THAT TIME. , THIS WAS JUST THE IMPLEMENTATION OF THIS FUND . EXCUSE ME . 
          INTEGRATION , AND THINGS THAT COULD HAPPEN. I AM THINKING THAT WE HAVE A PRETTY GOOD , RESPECTABLE AMOUNT, WHAT ARE YOU 
          ALL THINKING ? >> I DON'T RECALL THAT. 
          >> YOU DON'T RECALL ANY OF THAT? 
          >> I GOT A RESPECTABLE AMOUNT OF CALLS. 
          >> VENTURED INTO THIS? I THINK IT WOULD BE BENEFICIAL. BUT I DO BELIEVE IT IS A GREAT IDEA. AND ONCE FOLKS AT AVENUE F ARE ABLE TO SEE THE ONGOING FINISHED PRODUCT, I THINK THAT THEY WILL FIND OUT VERY QUICKLY THAT IT WILL GREATLY ENHANCE THE CURBSIDE APPEAL OF THEIR HOME. AND IT WILL GIVE IT A NICE LOOK , AS FAR AS CURBSIDE. I THINK THAT WE HAVE TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO INTEGRATE THE FOLKS, THE OLDEST RESIDENCE. 
          >> COMMUNICATION WILL DEFINITELY BE A BIG PART OF THIS PROJECT, IF AND WHEN WE DO IT. RIGHT NOW, WE ARE TRYING TO GIVE STAFF DIRECTION TO GO ON A FACT-FINDING MISSION. AND PUSH FORWARD WITH IT, SO, THIS WOULD BE STEP ONE OF MANY STEPS . I DO AGREE WITH CLARK, I THINK IT WAS CLARK THAT SAID IT, IT WOULD REALLY BE NICE TO TAKE THIS BITE OF THE APPLE AT THE SAME TIME WE DO THE REST OF THE PROJECT. CHRIS ? 
          >> WHAT ARE WE TRYING TO DESIGN, ARE WE DESIGNING THIS PICTURE, BECAUSE IF YOU GO DOWN THERE RIGHT NOW, THE SIDEWALK IS RIGHT NEXT TO THE POWER POLES. WE HAVE A VERY WIDE RIGHT OF WAY. THE TREES, THE CANOPY AND EVERYTHING IS GOING TO BE DIFFICULT WITH THE POWER LINES, AS YOU NOTICE, THERE ARE NO POWERLINES IN THIS PICTURE. AND THEN, THE 10-FOOT SIDEWALK. WHAT WOULD YOU ALL 
          LIKE US TO GIVE FOR PRICING? >> IS THAT A COMPOSITE? LIKE , IT JUST SAYS SHARED USE PATHS. OBVIOUSLY, IT IS NOT CONCRETE. 
          >> I WOULD HAVE TO LOOK AT THE CONCRETE. 
          >> I AM NOT SURE , SITTING THERE IN THE DIRT AND IN THE GRAVEL. 
          >> I THINK BASICALLY, YOU HAVE THAT 80 -FOOT RIGHT OF WAY, YOU START EATING INTO OTHER THINGS, I DON'T KNOW THAT YOU NEED TWO 10-FOOT SIDEWALKS ON BOTH SIDES. 
          >> WHY DON'T WE ASSEMBLE A SUBCOMMITTEE AND YOU CAN DISCUSS AND BRING A RECOMMENDATION BACK TO US AT THE NEXT COUNCIL 
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MEETING? IS THAT FAIR? ALAN, ROSS, AND CLARK ? 
          >> CAN WE ADD THAT TO THE AGENDA, FOR NEXT TIME? 
          >> WE DO NOT HAVE ANY EXECUTIVE SESSION TONIGHT, THERE IS NOTHING TO DISCUSS. UNLESS THERE ARE FURTHER TOPICS. THEN, WE WILL
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