Apr 22, 2025 City Council

[Call to Order, Pledges, and Invocation]

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>>> GOOD EVENING. IT'S 6:01.

I CALL THIS MEETING OF THE MIDLOTHIAN CITY COUNCIL TO ORDER, TUESDAY, APRIL 22, 2025. WE'RE GOING TO BEGIN THIS EVENING WITH 2025- 114 -- I'M SORRY, WE'LL START WITH OUR PRAYER, INVOCATION AND PLEDGES AND I SEE THE FANTASTIC PASTOR OF STONEGATE CHURCH HERE. HE PROBABLY PREACHED FIVE OR SIX SERMONS. WOULD YOU COME FORWARD AND LEAD US IN A BLESSING THIS EVENING? THE BIBLE SAYS TO BE READY IN SEASON AND OUT OF SEASON.

>> FATHER, WE LOVE YOU AND WE ARE THANKFUL FOR TODAY.

WE'RE THANKFUL SUNDAY WE JUST GOT TO CELEBRATE THE RESURRECTION OF JESUS AND, FATHER, WE'RE THANKFUL FOR THE PLACE WE'RE IN, MIDLOTHIAN, TEXAS.

LORD, THAT YOU WOULD DO THAT WORK OF FILLING THEM WITH THE WISDOM THEY NEED, THE GREAT THEY NEED TO MAKE GOOD DECISIONS FOR THE FUTURE OF THESE PEOPLE, THIS AREA. LORD, WOULD YOU DO THAT? WOULD YOU BLESS THEM? WE PRAY FOR THIS MEETING TONIGHT THAT YOU WOULD SHOW UP IN ALL THE WAYS YOU NEED TO, TO BLESS THESE MEN AND WOMEN. IT'S IN YOUR GOOD NAME, AMEN.

>> THANK YOU, PASTOR.

IF YOU WOULD STAND WE'LL DO THE PLEDGES.

I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS ONE NATION UNDER GOD INDIVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.

>> I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO TEXAS, ONE STATE UNDER GOD, ONE

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INDIVISIBLE. >> THANK YOU, ALL.

THANK YOU, PASTOR. WE'LL START THIS EVENING WITH 2025- 114, ANNOUNCEMENTS AND PRESENTATIONS.

WE'LL START WITH LETTER A, PROCLAMATION DESIGNATING NATIONAL TENNIS MONTH. ALL THOSE FOLKS FROM THE TENNIS ASSOCIATION, I'LL READ THIS PROCLAMATION IN THE RECORD AND WE'LL TAKE A NICE LITTLE PHOTO.

DON'T BE SHY. AWESOME.

WELCOME. GLAD TO HAVE YOU. THANK YOU, GUYS, FOR BEING HERE.

>> YOU BET.

>> WHO WANTS TO SECH THE PROCLAMATION? COME ON UP. WE HAVE A FANTASTIC TENNIS ORGANIZATION HERE IN OUR COMMUNITY.

TENNIS IS GROWING EXPONENTIALLY, AS YOU CAN TELL.

I THANK ALL THESE FOLKS HERE REPRESENTING THE TENNIS ASSOCIATION AS WE ACKNOWLEDGE TENNIS MONTH, WHEREAS THE USTA ORIGINALLY KNOWN AS THE UNITED STATES NATIONAL LAWN TENNIS ASSOCIATION WAS FOUNDED IN NEW YORK CITY, NEW YORK, TO CREATE RULES AND STANDARDS FOR THE EMERGING GAME OF LAWN TENNIS AND WHEREAS THE USTA IS THE GOVERNING BODY FOR TENNIS IN THE UNITED STATES AND LEADS THE PROMOTION AND GROWTH OF THE SPORT AT EVERY LEVEL OF PLAY FROM BEGINNER TO PROFESSIONALS WITH OVER 550,000 MEMBERS FROM EVERY CORNER OF THE COUNTRY, WHEREAS USTA PARTNERS TO SHOWCASE THE IMPORTANT HEALTH, SOCIAL AND EDUCATION AND BENEFITS OF TENNIS AND MAKE THE SPORT AVAILABLE REGARDLESS OF AGE, ENVIRONMENT, CONDITION OR ABILITY THROUGH US USTA ADAPTIVE GRANTS AND THE LATEST RESEARCH BY THE PHYSICAL ACTIVITY COUNCIL SHOWS THAT MORE THAN 25. 78 MILLION AMERICANS PLAYED TENNIS IN 2024 AND BY INCREASING THE ABILITY OF TENNIS FOR CITIZENS OF MIDLOTHIAN USTA HAS CONTRIBUTED TO MAKING OUR COMMUNITY HAPPIER AND HEALTHIER AND WHEREAS USTA HAS DECLARED THE MONTH OF MAY TO ENCOURAGE THE PROMOTION OF LOCAL PROGRAMS AND ACTIVITIES AT PARKS AND FACILITIES TO SHOWCASE TENNIS AND SPREAD THE WORD ABOUT THE SPORT AND ITS BENEFITS.

NOW, THEREFORE, I, JUSTIN KAUFFMAN, ON BEHALF OF THE CITY COUNCIL, PROCLAIM MAY 2025 AS NATIONAL TENNIS MONTH.

>> THANK YOU SO MUCH.

>> THANK YOU.

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>> ALL RIGHT, WE WILL SKIP TO ITEM C.

ANY COUNCIL REPORTS OF COMMUNITY INTEREST THAT ANY COUNCILMEMBERS WOULD LIKE TO SHARE?

RUSS? >> SINCE I'M NOT UP FOR ELECTION I WILL REMIND EVERYBODY IT IS EARLY VOTING, IT STARTED TODAY.

I STOPPED BY. I WAS THE 93RD PERSON TO VOTE IN OUR COMMUNITY. THAT WAS AT LUNCH TIME.

I ENCOURAGE YOU TO GET OUT THERE, BECAUSE YOUR VOTE WILL BE OUTSIZED IN THIS ELECTION. REMIND YOUR FRIENDS AND FAMILY AND SHARE IT WITH YOUR CHURCH GROUPS.

>> ABSOLUTELY. THANK YOU, ROSS.

ANYONE ELSE?

ALLEN? >> YEAH, THERE'S -- MOST FOLKS BY NOW PROBABLY ARE AWARE, BUT IF NOT, THERE'S AN INCREDIBLE PROGRAM IN OUR COMMUNITY, A ENTREPRENEURSHIP PROGRAM AT THE FACILITY HERE IN TOWN AND THEY HAVE REALLY ONE OF THEIR REALLY BIG EVENTS COMING UP ON MAY 6TH.

IT'S GOING TO BE OVER THERE, I BELIEVE, IT'S AT 6:00 P.M.

IT'S CALLED THEIR FINAL PITCH NIGHT, AND IT'S WHERE THE TOP -- I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S THREE OR FOUR, BUT THE TOP FEW TEAMS OF STUDENTS THAT HAVE BEEN WORKING THROUGHOUT THE SCHOOL YEAR ON DIFFERENT ENTREPRENEURIAL BUSINESS, YOU KNOW, INVENTIONS, ALL KINDS OF DIFFERENT THINGS, THEY GO AND THEY PITCH A GROUPGROUP LOCAL BUSINESS LEADERS, AND THEY GET AWARDED GRANT MONEY. IT'S A REALLY COOL EXPERIENCE IF YOU'VE NEVER BEEN A PART OF IT, BUT THAT'S COMING UP ON TUESDAY, MAY 6, THAT NIGHT AT 6:00 P.M. AT THE MILE FACILITY IN TOWN.

I ENCOURAGE YOU TO SUPPORT THOSE STUDENTS AND HEAR ABOUT SOME REALLY COOL DIFFERENT THINGS THAT THEY PUT TOGETHER.

>> ABSOLUTELY. I WILL MAKE A PLUG FOR MIDLO- FEST PUT ON BY THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE, COME AND ENJOY BEAUTIFUL, HISTORIC DOWNTOWN AND SEE ALL THE VENDORS DOWN THERE.

IT WILL BE A GREAT TIME THIS SATURDAY FROM 2:00 TO 8:00, I BELIEVE. JOIN US. ANYBODY ELSE? ALL RIGHT. WE WILL MOVE ON TO ITEM B WHICH IS RECEIVE A PRESENTATION ON THE CITY'S UPDATED STORM WATER MANAGEMENT PROGRAM FROM REPRESENTATIVES TEAGUE NALL AND PERKINS.

>> THANK YOU, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. WE HAD OUR PROGRAM ADOPTED IN 2014 AND THAT'S ON THE FIVE- YEAR CYCLE. THE NEWEST UPDATE STARTS -- STARTED THIS YEAR. THEY HAVE BEEN WITH US THE ENTIRE TERM WE'VE BEEN DOING THIS AND INSTRUMENTAL IN KEEPING US ON TRACK AND KEEPING US CAUGHT UP SO WE'VE ASKED MANDY CLARK TO COME BY AND GIVE US A PRESENTATION OR YOU- ALL A PRESENTATION, ON WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THE STORM WATER PROGRAM.

>> GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. AS SCOTT SAID, I'M MANDY CLARK AND THE PURPOSE OF THIS EVENING'S PRESENTATION IS TO INFORM THE COUNCIL AND THE PUBLIC THAT'S HERE OF THE PROGRAM, ITS REQUIREMENTS, AND GATHER ANY FEEDBACK THAT YOU HAVE OR THAT THE PUBLIC HAS. AND SO WHAT IS IT? IT IS BASICALLY A WATER POLLUTION PREVENTION PROGRAM. IT'S MANDATED AND REGULATED BY THE TCEQ, ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY, THE STATE AGENCY.

AND SO WHY DO YOU HAVE TO PARTICIPATE? IT IS FOR ANY COMMUNITIES THAT ARE WITHIN AN URBAN AREA THAT IS GREATER THAN 50,000, AN URBAN AREA GREATER THAN 50,000. WHEN THE PROGRAM WAS IMPLEMENTED, MIDLOTHIAN WAS PART OF THE DFW AREA SO THAT IS WHY YOU PARTICIPATE. SO WHAT IS INVOLVED? THE DEVELOPMENT OF A STORM WATER MANAGEMENT PROGRAM AND ANNUAL REPORTING ON THAT PROGRAM.

SO IT STRICT LS DOWN. IT STARTED WITH THE CLEAN WATER ACT, ENVIRONMENTAL PROGRAMS LOVE THEIR INITIALS AND ACRONYMS. IT TRICKLED DOWN, THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT SAID, OH, WELL, WE CAN'T HANDLE THIS FOR EVERY COMMUNITY THAT NEEDS TO DO IT.

THEY DELEGATED IT TO THE STATE. AND SO THE TCEQ MANAGES THE TEXAS POLLUTANT SYSTEM. AND THE STATE SAID, WE CAN'T DO THIS FOR EVERY COMMUNITY. SO IT'S MANDATED TO THE COMMUNITIES, BUT TCEQ AND THE EPA ENFORCE IT.

SO IT'S A FIVE- YEAR PROGRAM, SO IF I SAY THE WORD MS- 4, THAT'S YOUR MUNICIPAL STORM SYSTEM, YOUR STORM DRAIN SYSTEM, WHICH IS YOUR SERIES OF PIPES

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SO AS WE'VE MENTIONED IT'S A FIVE- YEAR PROGRAM.

SO WE DEVELOPED A PROGRAM THIS YEAR AND SUBMITTED IT, AND SO WE'RE IN YEAR ONE NOW, SO 2025 WE'LL TURN IN A REPORT IN 2026 AND IT GOES EVERY YEAR UNTIL IT'S RENEWED IN 2029. IT WAS A SIX- YEAR PROGRAM THIS YEAR. IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE FIVE, SO WE'LL SEE. AND THEN IT'S A CALENDAR YEAR SEEK , SO WE DO IT ANNUALLY AND THEN REPORT IN MARCH OF THE FOLLOWING YEAR. SO, AS WE MENTIONED, MIDLOTHIAN CREATED A NEW STORM WATER MANAGEMENT PROGRAM, SO WE MET WITH YOUR STAFF AND GOT THEIR GUIDANCE ANDAND SUBMITTED IT IN FEBRUARY. SO WE FILED THE NOI WITH THE STATE. UNTIL THAT'S GIVEN, WE ASSUME IT'S APPROVED AND WE IMPLEMENT IT. SO WHAT IS IT? SO THERE ARE MINIMUM CONTROL MEASURES IS WHAT THEY CALL THESE GROUPINGS OF ACTIVITIES THAT SUPPORT THESE DIFFERENT BIG TOPICS. SO I'M GOING TO WALK THROUGH EACH OF THESE VERY QUICKLY, BUT YOU CAN SEE, YOU KNOW, THERE'S GENERALLY PUBLIC EDUCATION OUTREACH. WE'LL TALK ABOUT WHAT DISCHARGE MEANS, WHAT WE THINK OF POLLUTION, POST CONSTRUCTION MANAGEMENT AND THEN GOOD HOUSEKEEPING FOR YOUR OWN CITY FACILITIES. SO I'M GOING TO SHOW A LOT OF SLIDES THAT LOOK LIKE THIS SO YOU'LL SEE THE MINIMUM CONTROL MEASURES ON THE LEFT AND YOU'LL SEE THE BEST MANAGEMENT PRACTICES ON THE RIGHT. SO THE BEST MANAGEMENT PRACTICES ARE THINGS THAT SUPPORT THE MINIMUM CONTROL MEASURE. THEY'RE THE ACTUAL ACTIVITIES THAT SUPPORT THAT BROAD TOPIC.

SO THE FIRST ONE IS PUBLIC EDUCATION AND OUTREACH.

THAT IS HOW YOUR COMMUNITY IS REACHING OUT TO YOUR CITIZENS.

SO THE FIRST ONE IS REAL SIMPLE. YOU POST THESE THINGS THAT WE'RE CREATING ONLINE SO YOU AND THE PUBLIC HAVE ACCESS TO THEM.

YOUR COMMUNITY, YOUR CITY IS ALREADY MAKING QUARTERLY FACEBOOK POSTS, AND THIS IS LITTLE FUN FACTS ABOUT STORM WATER AND HOW TO PROTECT IT. IT COULD BE ABOUT NOT DUMPING THINGS DOWN YOUR DRAIN, PICKING UP AFTER YOUR PETS, THINGS LIKE THAT.

MARKING YOUR STORM DRAINS WITH DO NOT DRAINS, THINGS LIKE THAT, AND CREATING SOME FACT SHEETS.

AND SO THIS IS JUST AN EXAMPLE, A SCREEN SHOT FROM YOUR WEBSITE, HERE IS YOUR LATEST STORM WATER POST, AND THEN AT THE BOTTOM THERE IS WHAT YOUR BRANDED MANHOLES ARE, ON TOP OF YOUR STORM DRAIN INLETS NOT YOUR SEWER INLETS. SO WHEN YOU SEE A CURB INLET ON A STREET, THAT'S WHAT IS ON TOP OF IT. THE NEXT IS PUBLIC INVOLVEMENT AND PARTICIPATION, AND THAT'S KIND OF THE OPPOSITE OF THAT OUTREACH, HOW IS THE PUBLIC COMING TO YOU AND GETTING THIS INFORMATION? THE FIRST ONE IS A CLEANUP EVENT. YOUR PUBLIC WORKS AND ENGINEERING STAFF WILL BE COORDINATING WITH YOUR PARKS DEPARTMENT TO BE PLANNING A CLEANUP EVENT TO CLEAN UP A PARK, A CREEK, THE ROADWAYS, SOMETHING.

EDUCATIONAL DISPLAY AND BOOTH. IN THE PAST YOU HAVE DONE BACK TO SCHOOL, BACK-TO- SCHOOL BASH, AND THERE WILL BE A BOOTH THERE WITH A SPINNER AND SOME EDUCATIONAL MATERIALS, AND THEN A PUBLIC MEETING FOR INPUT. THAT IS WHAT WE'RE DOING TONIGHT. WE'RE CHECKING THAT BOX TONIGHT, SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE.

SO HERE IS A PICTURE OF YOURYOUR GREAT STAFF AT BACK-TO-SCHOOL BASH AND A PICTURE OF PEOPLE CLEANING UP AN AREA.

SO OF THESE PREVIOUS TWO, YOUR STAFF GOT TO SELECT THINGS THATTHAT YOU DO. THE NEXT FOUR OF THEM YOU JUST HAVE TO DO ALL OF THEM. YOU DON'T GET ANY CHOICES, AND MOST ARE THINGS YOUR STAFF, YOUR CITY IS ALREADY DOING. IT IS JUST MAKING SURE THEY'RE BEING DONE CORRECTLY AND THERE'S DOCUMENTATION. SO HAVING A STORM DRAIN MAP, AND, WELL, I'M GOING TO TELL YOU WHAT IS AN ILLICIT DISCHARGE FIRST. IT'S A LITTLE CONFUSING. IT'S ANYTHING YOU DON'T WANT TO REACH YOUR CREEKS.

SO ILLEGAL CROSS CONNECTIONS. YOU DON'T WANT YOUR SEWER CONNECTED TO YOUR STORM DRAIN IN ANY WAY BECAUSE STORM WATER IS NOT TREATED. ANYTHING THAT GOES DOWN THE STORM DRAIN GOES RIGHT INTO THE CREEK. SO YOU WANT TO PREVENT SEWAGE OVERFLOWS, PREVENT COMMERCIAL WASH WATER FROM REACHING YOUR SYSTEM. AND SO HERE ARE THINGS YOU DON'T WANT, IF YOU SEE A CAMPER DRAINING RIGHT INTO A STORM DRAIN, JUST LET'S CALL SOMEBODY ABOUT THAT AND LET'S NOT LET THAT HAPPEN.

AND THEN I WAS, LIKE, READING A BUZZ FEED LIST OR SOMETHING AND THE ONE ON THE UPPER LEFT SOMEBODY SAID, WHAT A GREAT IDEA. I SAID THAT'S HORRIBLE.

YOU DON'T CORRECT A URINAL INTO A DOWN SPOUT.

THAT'S A BAD IDEA. SO THAT IS WHAT AN ILLICIT DISCHARGE IS. THESE ARE THE ACTIVITIES

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SO THEY WANT A MAP SO YOU KNOW IF YOU SEE A SPILL, HOW DO YOU TRACK IT BACK, STAFF TRAINING.

WE COME AND DO SOME STAFF TRAINING EVERY YEAR AND THEN THE REST OF IT IS ABOUT HOW THE PUBLIC CAN REPORT IT AND IF YOU RECEIVE A REPORT OR YOU OR YOUR STAFF OR SOMEBODY RUNS ACROSS SOMETHING, HOW ARE YOU RESPONDING TO IT? YOU'RE INVESTIGATING IT, MAKING SURE IT GETS CLEANED UP. YOU'RE DOCUMENTING IT AND YOU'RE TO THE PEOPLE WHO COMPLAINED. SO THAT'S WHAT THAT IS.

SO THE MCM- 4, THE ONE PEOPLE ARE MOST FAMILIAR WITH.

WE'VE ALL GONE PAST A CONSTRUCTION SITE AND SEEN THE SILT FENCE FAILING AND MUD OUT IN THE STREET.

THESE ARE YOUR TOOLS TRYING TO PREVENT THAT, HAVING AN ORDINANCE IN PLACE. KNOWING WHAT YOU'RE PROHIBITING FROM HAVING AND HAVING SITE PLAN REVIEW PROCEDURES OR INSPECTION -- CONSTRUCTION INSPECTION PROCEDURES TO PREVENT IT AND HOW DO YOU RESPOND IN MAKING SURE YOUR STAFF IS TRAINED.

THESE ARE THE THINGS WE'RE TRYING TO PREVENT. WE DON'T WANT THE SILT FENCES FLAPPING IN THE BREEZE. THESE ARE ALL THINGS AN INSPECTION CAN FIND AND HAVING TOOLS TO PREVENT THAT FROM HAPPENING.

AND THEN POST CONSTRUCTION. THIS IS ABOUT MAINLY STORM WATER DETENTION PONDS OR ANY SORT OF STORM WATER QUALITY YOU MIGHT HAVE.

MOST OF THEM IN A SUBDIVISION OR A PRIVATE COMMERCIAL SITE ARE PRIVATELY MAINTAINED. PEOPLE ARE REPORTING THE ABILITY TO INSPECT IT AND THEN KEEPING THOSE ENFORCEMENT RECORDS AND MAINTENANCE RECORDS. IT'S IMPORTANT TO HAVE THE MECHANISMS TO BE ABLE TO CONTACT THOSE FOLKS IF YOU SEE A PROBLEM AND MAKING SURE THEY'RE MAINTAINED BECAUSE WE'VE SEEN A POND AND THAT'S WHAT YOU WANT TO PREVENT. THIS IS ABOUT YOUR OWN FACILITIES, SO HAVING A FACILITY INVENTORY AND MAKING SURE YOUR STAFF KNOWS WHAT THEY'RE LOOKING FOR. AND THEN IT'S JUST ABOUT INSPECTING IT, MAKING SURE ANY CONTRACTORS YOU HAVE WORKING FOR YOU ON A ROUTINE BASIS UNDERSTAND THE RULES, AND THEN JUST KEEPING YOUR OWN OPERATIONS CLEAN. SO THIS IS A SCREEN SHOT OF YOUR -- OR AN AERIAL VIEW OF YOUR SERVICE CENTER.

THAT IS YOUR HIGH PRIORITY FACILITY, YOUR STAFF HAS IDENTIFIED 32 DIFFERENT FACILITIES WE CATEGORIZE THE SERVICE CENTER IS THE HIGH PRIORITY OR PUBLIC WORKS FACILITY, AND THAT'S BECAUSE THEY DO HAVE EXTERNAL STORAGE, AND THEY DO STORE SOME THINGS YOU WOULD NOT REACHING YOUR STORM DRAIN SYSTEM. AND SO THIS JUST SETS AN INSPECTION FREQUENCY OF WHAT THEY'RE LOOKING FOR, WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO PREVENT AND WHAT TYPE OF MAINTENANCE ACTIVITIES THEY NEED TO BE DOING. SO WHAT'S NEXT? YOU'RE GOING TO BE IMPLEMENTING ALL OF THESE THINGS IN 2025. AND THEN DOING THAT ANNUAL REPORT FOR 2025 BY MARCH OF 2026.

AND SO THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION.

I'LL TAKE ANY QUESTIONS OR THOUGHTS.

>> THANK YOU. COUNCIL, QUESTIONS?

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>> THANK YOU.

>> MOVING ON TO 2025- 115 CITIZENS TO BE HEARD.

CITY COUNCIL INVITES CITIZENS TO ADDRESS THE COUNCIL ON ANY TOPIC THAT'S NOT ALREADY SCHEDULED FOR A PUBLIC HEARING. CITIZENS WISHING TO SPEAK SHOULD COMPLETE A CITIZEN PARTICIPATION FORM AND PRESENT IT TO THE CITY SECRETARY.

SPEAKERS ARE LIMITED TO THREE MINUTES IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE TEXAS OPEN MEETINGS ACT. TAMMY, DID ANYBODY SIGN UP TO SPEAK?

>> MELISSA SHOOK.

>> WELCOME. YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES. IF YOU COULD STATESTATE NAME AND WHETHER OR NOT YOU LIVE IN THE CITY LIMITS.

>> MELISSA SHOOK HERE REPRESENTING THE CHAMBER.

WE ARE RESIDENTS OFOF MIDLOTHIAN.

THANK YOU FOR THE SHOUTOUT FOR MIDLO- FEST, 2:00 TO 8:00, IT WILL BE AN EXCITING EVENT.

WE HAVE LOTS OF CHANGES ALL FOR THE GOOD, ENJOY SOME WINE AND BEER SELECTIONS AND EXCITING DOG RACES THIS YEAR.

BROWSE FROM OVER 160 VENDORS THIS YEAR.

WE WILL HAVE 995 RANCH PARTY PATROL THAT WILL BE OUT THERE DOING LIVE ENTERTAINMENT AND ENGAGING IN THE COMMUNITY.

EXPERIENCE LIVE MUSIC ACROSS THREE STAGES AND THEN CHEER ON PERFORMANCES AND SUPPORT OUR YOUTH FROM MSID, A BIG SUPPORTER COMING IN HELPING VOLUNTEER. LOTS OF PHOTO

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THE TROLLEY RUNS EVERY 20 MINUTES AND WILL DROP YOU OFF BY THE RAILROAD TRACKS. I WANT TO THANK THE CITY, METHODIST AND OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT COMING IN STRONG HELPING WITH A LOT OF THINGS.

COME OUT, ENJOY THE DAY AND HOPE AND PRAY FOR GOOD

[CONSENT AGENDA]

>> THANK YOU, MELISSA. IT'S REALLY A COMMUNITY DRIVEN EVENT.

TAMMY, NO OTHERS? ALL RIGHT.

WE WILL MOVE ON TO CONSENT AGENDA. ALL MATTERS LISTED UNDER CONSENT AGENDA ARE CONSIDERED TO BE ROUTINE BY THE CITY COUNCIL AND WILL BE ENACTED BY ONE MOTION WITHOUT SEPARATE DISCUSSION. IF DISCUSSION IS DESIRED THAT ITEM WILL BE REMOVED FROM THE CONSENT AGENDA AND CONSIDERED SEPARATELY.

WOULD ANYBODY LIKE TO REMOVE ANY ITEMS?

ROSS? >> I HAVE QUESTIONS ON C AND D.

AND E. I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO APPROVE THE REST OF THE CONSENT AGENDA.

MINUS C, D AND E. PLEASE VOTE.

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ROSS, YOUR QUESTION? >> MY ONLY QUESTION WAS, I THINK WE'VE HAD TWO REJECTION OF BIDS IN AS MANY MONTHS, AND SO I WANTED TO GET YOUR OPINION ON IS IT US? IS IT THEM? IS IT BOTH? I KNOW THIS IS A WASTE OF STAFF TIME --

>> YES.

>> -- AS WELL AS THE BIDDER'S TIME AND YOU HAVE TO GO BACK AND DO IT AGAIN.

>> RIGHT.

>> ONE IS ONE THING BUT, TWO, ARE WE NOT DOING SOMETHING RIGHT HERE?

>> IT IS AN UNUSUAL SITUATION. I DON'T KNOW THAT I'VE EVER HAD THIS MANY IN SUCH A SHORT PERIOD OF TIME.

I DON'T THINK IT IS NECESSARILY THE CITY STAFF.

I THINK THAT BECAUSE WE'VE USED THE SAME RFP FOR TWO TIMES SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE, THIS IS THE THIRD TIME WE'VE GONE OUT FORBID, PARTICULARLY FOR THIS SERVICE, AND I THINK IT WAS JUST CARELESSNESS ON THE PART OF THE RESPONDENTS, AND I HATE TO SAY THAT BECAUSE ONE OF THEM IS OUR OWN AUDIT FIRM.

BUT ONE THING THAT I WILL SAY ABOUT THEM BUT I DIDN'T WANT TO PASS THEM THROUGH AND GIVE AN EXCEPTION IF I WASN'T GIVING TO ANYBODY ELSE, WE HAD AN ADDENDUM THAT WAS DONE AT THE LAST MINUTE. WE HAD ONE OF THE RESPONDENTS ASK A SERIESSERIES QUESTIONS. AND IN THAT RFP IT STATES THAT YOU HAVE TO INCLUDE IN YOUR RESPONSE ALL OF THOSE ADDENDUMS. AND THEY DID NOT INCLUDE THE LAST ONE. HOWEVER, IT WENT OUT A COUPLE DAYS OR A DAY BEFORE THE RESPONSES WERE DUE, SO THEY HAD ALREADY COMPLETED THEIRS. WE'RE HAVING IT PRINTED UP.

AND THEY DIDN'T INCLUDE IT. I IDN'T WANT TO HAVE AN APPEARANCE WE WERE FAVORING THEM BECAUSE WE HAVE USED THEM BEFORE, SO WE JUST REJECTED ALL THE BIDS. ONE THING A NUMBER OF THEM MISUNDERSTOOD IN THIS PARTICULAR ONE WAS THAT WE ASK FOR THEIR INFORMATION AS FAR ASAS YEARS OF EXPERIENCE, THEIR AUDIT APPROACH, AND ALL OF THOSE THINGS ON MORE OF A TECHNICAL ISSUE, AND THEN WE ASK FOR A SEPARATE BID WITH THEIR COST, AND A LOT OF THEM PUT IT ALL TOGETHER, SO IT COULDN'T BE EVALUATED SEPARATELY, AND THAT'S HOW I LIKE TO DO IT WITH THE AUDIT BECAUSE THE COST ISN'T THE MOST IMPORTANT THING TO US. IT'S THE ABILITY TO GET THE JOB DONE. AND SO THEY DIDN'T DO THAT.

NOW OURS DID BECAUSE THEY HAD DONE IT A COUPLE TIMES BEFORE, THE ONE WE'VE BEEN USING, BUT THE OTHERS DID NOT, AND SO WE THREW THOSE OUT.

AND, LIKE THE LAST ONE, WE HAD ASKED FOR A COPY AND A A DRIVE, AND ONE OF THEM DIDN'T DO THAT.

SO THERE WERE VARIOUS THINGS THEY DIDN'T DO, BUT IT JUST HAPPENED AGAIN. SO WE JUST TOOK THEM ALL OUT AND WE'RE STARTING WITH AN EVEN PLAYING FIELD AGAIN.

>> I DEFINITELY APPRECIATE YOUR DILIGENCE AND YOUR TEAM'S DILIGENCE IN REVIEWING THOSE AND MAKING SURE IT IS AN EQUAL AND LEFG PLAYING FIELD.

I DO ECHO YOUR CONCERNS WHENWHEN LOOK AT THE LINE ITEM IT WAS FOR AUDIT SERVICES FROM CPA FIRMS THAT FAILED TO CHECK ALL OF THE BOXES ON OUR APPLICATION.

>> RIGHT. THEY SHOULD BE THE MOST

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>> ABSOLUTELY. I LOOK FORWARD TO HEARING BACK FROM WHEN THOSE COME IN CORRECTLY AND WE CAN EVALUATE THEM. THANK YOU.

>> ANY OTHER COUNCILMEMBERS HAVE A QUESTION ON C?

>> MOTION TO APPROVE.

>> MOTION TO APPROVE BY COUNCILMAN WEAVER AND SECONDED BY HAMMONDS. PLEASE VOTE.

ARE WE GOOD? 6-0. THE ITEM PASSES 6- 0 ON ITEM C.

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CONSIDER AN ACT UPON AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE A CONTRACT WITH GAW CONSTRUCTION SERVICES OF PALMER, TEXAS, FOR CONCRETE PAVEMENT SERVICES THROUGHOUT THE CITY OF

MIDLOTHIAN. >> JUST REVIEWING THE TWO BIDS. SOME WERE HIGHER. SOME WERE LOWER DEPENDING ON THE LINE ITEM, AND IS THERE ANY POTENTIAL TO DO BOTH AND CHERRY PICK ON WHICH SERVICE WE'RE USING?

>> DO YOU WANT TO ANSWER CORRECTLY BEFORE I ANSWER WRONG?

>> I'LL WAIT AND HEAR YOU.

>> PROBABLY THE ABILITY TO CHERRY PICK, BUT WE HAVE TO PUT THESE IN AS BIDS, AND THEY BID ON THESE AS A WHOLE, AND YOU SEE THAT BOTTOM LINE ITEM ON THE BOTTOM OF THE PAGE. BUT I THINK THERE'S FOUR ITEMS WHERE DON SMITH IS CHEAPER. WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO UTILIZE THEM FOR THAT.

>> TALKING ABOUT THE BOTTOM LINE NUMBERS ON THERE, THESE ARE ESTIMATED QUANTITIES BASED ON ON AS- NEEDED SERVICE. SO, I MEAN, IN REALITY, SOME OF THE ITEMS THAT THEY WERE HIGHER HIGHER ON MAY BE SERVICES WE DON'T USE A WHOLE LOT OF AND SOME OTHER SERVICES THEY WERE WERE ON MAY BE SOMETHING WE DO USE A WHOLE LOT OF. THAT'S WHERE I'M SAYING I JUST FOUND IT HARD WITH THIS ATTACHMENT TO TRULY EVALUATE BETWEEN THE TWO.

THE NUMBERS, IN MY OPINION, ARE MISLEADING. THAT PRESUMES WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THAT OVER THE COURSE OF THE

YEAR. >> AND THAT IS UP TO THE DEPARTMENTS TO DETERMINE HOW THEY WANT TO REFLECT THAT AND WHAT SERVICES THEY THINK THEY'RE GOING TO USE. BUT, YES, WE DO IT AS AN ALL- INCLUSIVE BID, SO CHERRY CIRCUMVENTS THE WHOLE IDEA.

>> ARE THESE QUANTITIES ON HERE THE ESTIMATED VOLUMES THAT WE THINK WE WILL USE IN AN ANNUAL PERIOD?

>> NO, SIR.

>> I DON'T THINK SO NECESSARILY.

>> COMPARING APPLES TO APPLES FOR A SEALED BID.

IT'S A LOT EASIER TO DO 500 SQUARE YARDS RATHER THAN 126 SQUARE YARDS. I THINK THAT'S JUST A QUANTITY WE UTILIZE SO THEY CAN BID APPLES TO APPLES.

>> I 100% AGREE WITH THAT. CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, THIS IS MOSTLY STUFF THAT ADAM'S TEAM WOULD BE USING THEM FOR.

>> OR PARKS AND REC USES IT. IT'S CITYWIDE.

>> THE MAJORITY WILL BE STREETS AND SIDEWALKS.

MY CURIOSITY IS WHEN WE'RE DOING THIS BIDDING INSTEAD OF PICKING ROUND NUMBERS TO THROW AT THIS IS TO -- CAN WE SAY LAST YEAR WE DID THIS MUCH. NEXT YEAR WE ANTICIPATE EACHEACH THE LINE ITEMS AND HAVE A TRUE MORE APPLES-TO- APPLOF A H BID.

>> IF WE KNEW WHAT WE WERE GOING TO DO YEAR TO YEAR, WE COULD.

>> TO HIS POINT, WE KNOW WHAT WE DID LAST YEAR.

>> WE DO KNOW.

>> PROVIDE SOME KIND OF ESCALATOR INTO IT OR IF WE WERE USING THEM FOR EVERYTHING WE CONTRACTED OUT, WHAT WOULD IT BE FOR EACH ONE OF THESE GUYS.

IT'S HARD FOR ME TO SAY, YEAH, THIS IS THE LOWEST BID WHEN I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE ACTUALLY DID ON EACH ONE OF THE LINE ITEMS. A HYPOTHETICAL STATEMENT THEY WERE GIVEN, THEIR NUMBERS TOTALLED LOWER.

>> IT'S SOMETHING TO CONSIDER. LIKE I SAID, IT'S UP TO THE DEPARTMENTS TO TELL US HOW THEY WANT TO STRUCTURE THAT.

WE PUT IT OUT THE WAY THEY STRUCTURED IT.

>> THE REASON WE'RE APPROVING A TWO-YEAR CONTRACT IS THAT EXCLUSIVE BECAUSE THE CONTRACT IS NOT IN HERE. AT LEAST NOT IN MY PACT.

BUT THE ACTUAL TEXT OF IT BUT IT IS AN EXCLUSIVE CONTRACT AND THEN WE CAN GET OUT OF IT OR RENEW IT AGAIN FOR

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TOTAL. >> OKAY.

>> AND THEY'VE BEEN -- WE'VE BEEN VERY SUCCESSFUL WITH THIS GROUP BEFORE.

>> OKAY.

>> FURTHER QUESTIONS ON ITEM D? TAKE A MOTION ON IT.

>> MOVE TO APPROVE.

>> SECOND.

>> MOTION TO APPROVE BY COUNCILMAN SHEFFIELD, SECONDED BY MAYOR PRO TEM WICKLIFFE.

PLEASE VOTE. ITEM PASSES, 6-1.

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AGREEMENT. >> I HAVE A LOT OF BUSINESS INTERESTS IN ABILENE AND SOME INDIRECT BUSINESS INTEREST AND I NEED TO RECUSE MYSELF FROM THIS VOTE.

SO THAT'S MY REASON FOR PULLING

IT. >> ANY QUESTIONS FROM OTHER COUNCILMEMBERS FROM ITEM E? I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION.

>> MOTION TO APPROVE.

>> SECOND. >> MOTION TO APPROVE BY COUNCILMAN WEAVER, SECOND BY MAYOR PRO TEM WICKLIFFE. PLEASE VOTE. ITEM PASSES, 6-0.

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THE PROPERTY IS PRESENTLY ZONED AGRICULTURE DISTRICT.

THE GENERAL LOCATION IS NORTHEAST OF ASHFORD LANE AND SOUTH 14TH STREET. MARRY?

>> THIS REQUEST IS FOR A PLANNED DEVELOPMENT FOR A SINGLE FAMILY SUBDIVISION WITH 32 LOTS AT 48.

5 ACRES, ONE DWELLING PER ACRE, SINGLE FAMILY TWO, THE SETBACKS COMPLY WITH SF-2. THE LAND USE PLAN CALLS FOR COUNTRY MODULE. THEY MAKE THE GOALS OF PROMOTING ATTRACTIVE AND SAFE RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS. WE DO WANT TO NOTE THAT FROM OCTOBER WHEN THE PLAN WAS PASSED, IT CHANGED THE RECOMMENDED DENSITY FROM ONE ACRE TO TWO ACRES.

TO THE NORTH OF THE PROPERTY ZONED AG AND SINGLE FAMILYFAMILY ONE, ACTUALLY IT'S INTERSPERSED ALL AROUND. THEY'RE A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE AND IT'S COUNTRY MODULE. THIS WAS REVIEWED AND APPROVED APPROVAL, 5-2. THE APPLICANT PROVIDED A REVISED PLAN AFTER SPEAKING WITH SOME OF THE NEIGHBORS AND HE'S HOPEFUL THAT THIS WILL, YOU KNOW, BE MORE AMENABLE. THE ENTRANCE TO THE SUBDIVISION HAS BEEN MOVED TO THE NORTHERN CORNER TO THE MIDDLE OF THE BLOCK TO AVOID THIS UNUSUAL INTERSECTION AND THE CUL-DE- SAC HAS BEEN PUSHED OWE AWAY SO THERE'S NOT GOING TO BE CONNECTIVITY TO ROLLING WOOD DRIVE, WHICH THE NEIGHBORS SUPPORT THAT, AND THEN THEY'VE -- I'M GOING TO LEAVE THE REST TO THE APPLICANT.

THEY TALKED ABOUT DRAINAGE EASEMENTS AND SOME OTHER THINGS.

SO I'LL LEAVE THAT TO THE APPLICANT, BUT I BELIEVE THIS IS GOING TO BE MORE AMENABLE TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD. SO, AS I SAID, ROLLING WOOD DRIVE WILL NOT CONNECT AND THERE WILL BE ANY MONOTONY PROVISIONS FOR THE ELEVATIONS, A TOTAL OF 3. 3 ACRES OF OPEN SPACE. THERE WILL BE LANDSCAPED ENTRYWAYS, SUSTAINED AND STAMPED CONCRETE, ENTRY MONUMENT SIGN LOCATED ON ASHFORD LANE. NOTIFICATIONS WERE SENT TO 22 PEOPLE AROUND THE SURROUNDING PROPERTY.

TO DATE WE'VE RECEIVED 18 LETTERS OF OPPOSITION AND FIVE LETTERS OF SUPPORT.

THERE WAS AN OPPOSITION PETITION THAT WAS SUBMITTED THAT IT WOULD REQUIRE SUPER MAJORITY VOTE.

I'M NOT REALLY SURE WHAT HAPPENS WHEN PEOPLE CHANGE THEIR MINDS, BUT IT WAS SUBMITTED. STAFF RECOMMENDS LOT SIZE BUT NOTES THE COMP DID CHANGE AND THE PLANNING AND ZONING

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THERE WAS ONE ABSTENTION.

>> OKAY. THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING.

TAMMY, DID ANYBODY SIGN UP TO SPEAK ON THIS CASE?

>> CHRIS?

>> IF YOU WOULD COME FORWARD AND STATE YOUR NAME INTO THE MICROPHONE FOR THE RECORD, WHETHER OR NOT YOU LIVE IN THE CITY LIMITS, AND THEN YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES.

>> MY NAME IS CHRIS AYELA, I SIT ON 8. 75 ACRES AND I'M SORT OF -- I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY WE'RE HERE AGAIN LESS THAN A MONTH LATER. I'VE BEEN UPDATED ON SOME OF THE CHANGES THEY'RE MAKING IN THE DEVELOPMENT, BUT THAT STILL DOESN'T GET TO THE POINT OF WHY IT WAS DENIED AS FAR AS THE INFRASTRUCTURE NOT BEING THERE.

I KNOW THEY'RE DOING ALL THE STUFF THEY'RE DOING WITHIN THERE, BUT I HAVEN'T SEEN ANYTHING COME UP WITH THE CITY SAYING THEY'RE GOING TO WIDEN ASHFORD OR PUT THE SIDEWALKS IN OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.

ANYTHING ON THE INFRASTRUCTURE HASN'T CHANGED.

THAT'S MY MAIN CONCERN. WE'RE STILL GOING TO HAVE THE DRAINAGE ISSUES. THERE'S STILL NO PLACE FOR THE KIDS TO SIT FOR THE BUS. TRAFFIC ON ASHFORD IS ALREADY, DURING SCHOOL HOURS, PUSHED TO THE PEAK. I MEAN, THE CURVES ARE TIGHT, THE TURNS ARE TIGHT, AND THOSE ARE MY CONCERNS.

ALSO, I STILL BELIEVE THERE SHOULD BE SOME TYPE OF ENTRANCE ON ROLLING WOOD, AN ENTRANCE ON ROLLING WOOD.

>> UNDERSTAND. THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS.

TAMMY, ANY OTHER SPEAKERS TONIGHT?

>> GERARD ORR.

>> IF YOU WOULD COME FORWARD AND STATE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD, WHETHER OR NOT YOU LIVE IN THE CITY LIMITS, AND YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES AS WELL.

>> MY NAMED IS GERARD ORR AND I LIVE IN THE CITY LIMITS ON ROLLING WOOD. I'VE ATTENDED THREE MEETINGS AND TWO CITY COUNCIL MEETINGS TO ADDRESS THE DEVELOPMENT PLANS FOR THIS PLOT, AND I WAS INITIALLY STRONGLY OPPOSED TO THE DEVELOPMENT BECAUSE THE EARLY PLANS PROPOSED TURNING ROLLING BOARD INTO A THOROUGHFARE. THERE HAVE BEEN PRESENTATIONS ON THE PROBLEMS WITH THAT WITH HOW NARROW ROLLING WOOD IS AND THE CURB, IT'S ABOUT 17 1/2 FEET WIDE WHERE ROLLING WOOD CURVES.

TO GET ONTO THE POINT, I THINK I INITIALLY OPPOSED IT BECAUSE OF THAT, BUT NOW WITH THE CHANGES THAT ARE PROPOSED, I'VE SEEN THE SITE PLAN REVISED SEVERAL TIMES AND I NOW STRONGLY URGE THE BOARD TO APPROVE THE PLAN. NOW I GREATLY APPRECIATE THAT THE COUNCIL HAS TRIED TO HOLD DEVELOPERS TO THE TWO- ACRE MINIMUM WITH THE FLUP AND TO CONSIDERATION OF THE CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD, HOWEVER, I THINK THIS CASE IS THE RIGHT ONE TO SHOW A LITTLE FLEXIBILITY ON.

WE HAVE A LOCAL DEVELOPER THAT EVERYONE AGREES WILL DEVELOP A HIGH÷÷HIGH DEVELOPMENT.

WE HAVE A STREET LAYOUT THAT MANY PEOPLE ARE HAPPY WITH, AND THE LOT COUNT IS DOWN TO 32, WHICH IS QUITE CLOSE TO THE 24 LOTS THAT WOULD SATISFY THE TWO ACRE MINIMUM. DUE TO THESE FACTORS, I BELIEVE THE CITY SHOULD APPROVE THIS DEVELOPMENT BECAUSE IT IS NOW IN KEEPING WITH THE SPIRIT OF THE FUTURE LAND USE PLAN. A FEW NEIGHBORS HAVE TAKEN ISSUE WITH THE PLACEMENT OF THE OUTLET AT THE CURRENT 90- DEGREE BLIND CORNER ON ASHFORD AND AT LAST WEEK'S MEETING TRAFFIC CONCERNS WERE DISCUSSED WITH MIKE ADAMS FROM ENGINEERING.

IT WOULD BE SAFER THAN THE CURRENT 90- DEGREE BLIND CORNER THAT'S THERE IF DONE RIGHT.

THIS MAY TAKE A THREE- WAY STOP OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

I'M NOT A TRAFFIC ENGINEER, BUT I THINK THAT PLANNING AND ENGINEERING WOULD FIGURE THAT OUT. IN CLOSING, I WOULD LIKE TO REITERATE THE CURRENT SITE PLAN FITS WELL WITH THE AREA AND WILL HELP TO PRESERVE AND NOT DAMAGE THE CHARACTER OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, SO I WOULD URGE EVERYONE TO SUPPORT IT.

>> THANK YOU, SIR.

>> TAMMY, ANY OTHER SPEAKERS?

>> NATHAN ARTHUR.

>> WELCOME, MR. ARTHUR. IF YOU COULD STATE YOUR NAME INTO THE MICROPHONE FOR THE RECORD, WHETHER OR NOT YOU'RE IN THE CITY LIMITS, AND YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES AS WELL.

>> ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU. GOOD EVENING.

NATHAN ARTHUR, I LIVE AT 4031 SUDITH.

WE'VE BEEN THERE ALMOST TEN YEARS NOW, HAVE FOUR AND A HALF ACRES OUT THERE. SO SOME OF THE CONCERNS I HAD WERE WATER RUN- OFF, WHICH LOOKS LIKE THEY'VE TRIED TO ADDRESS THAT WITH SOME OF THE RECENT CHANGES. I WAS ALSO CONCERNED WITH THE ENTRANCE ON THE BACK END WHICH LOOKS LIKE THEY'VE TURNED

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I WISH WE COULD DO THE TWO- ACRE LOT MINIMUM.

THAT WOULD BE MY SUGGESTION. I MEAN, I KNOW IT WOULD ONLY BE A FEW LESS HOMES, BUT LESS TRAFFIC GOING THROUGH THERE.

IT ALSO DOES TAKE AWAY FROM THE COUNTRY FEEL WE HAVE OUT THERE, THE AVERAGE ACREAGE IS A LITTLE OVER FIVE ACRES, SO IT WOULD BE GOOD IF WE COULD SUGGEST THAT, STAY WITHIN THE TWO- ACRE MINIMUM THAT'S KIND OF ALREADY IN PLACE. THAT'S ALL I'VE GOT.

I APPRECIATE YOU ALL. >> THANK YOU, SIR.

>> JOHN LAMB.

>> IF YOU COULD STATE YOUR NAME INTO THE MICROPHONE AND WHETHER OR NOT YOU'RE IN THE CITY LIMITS AND YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES.

>> MY NAME IS JOHN LAMB. MY WIFE, MONICA, AND I LIVE IN THE CITY LIMITS AND ASHFORD LANE, MIDLOTHIAN, TEXAS.

AT THIS TIME I WOULD LIKE TO BRING UP TO THE CITY COUNCIL THREE DEVELOPMENT PLANS FOR ASHFORD ESTATES, THE UPDATED ONES, SOMETHING YOU CAN LOOK AT.

>> YOU CAN BRING THEM UP AND WE'LL PASS THEM AROUND, YES, SIR.

WE OWN 18 1/2 ACRES AND ARE THE LARGEST SINGLE LANDOWNER ADJACENT TO THE PROPOSED ASHFORD ESTATE PROJECT. THE ENTIRE SOUTH SIDE OF OUR PROPERTY ADJOINS THE PROPOSED PROJECT.

TO MY KNOWLEDGE THE PROPOSED ZONING CHANGE FIRST CAME OUT IN DECEMBER 2024. IT WAS AROUND THAT TIME THAT KEVIN ENDORSED CHRIS AND RUTH AYALA, MONICA LAM, CHERYL PARKER, JULIE PHILLIPS ALONG WITH MANY OTHER CONCERNED CITIZENS DECIDED TO JOIN FORCES AND GET PETITIONS SIGNED TO PROTEST THE ZONING CHANGE AND THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT PLAN. SINCE THEN WE'VE HAD SEVERAL MEETINGS WITH THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMITTEE AND THE CITY COUNCIL EXPRESSING OUROUR ABOUT THE NUMBER OF HOMES, LOT SIZES, TRAFFIC AND SAFETY ISSUES, LOCATIONS OF THE ENTRANCE AND DRAINAGE ISSUES. THESE MEETINGS RESULTED IN THE DEVELOPER SUBMITTING REVISED PLANS NUMEROUS TIMES AT HIS EXPENSE.

I WOULD LIKE TO COMMEND THE MAYOR AND ALL THE CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS FOR LISTENING TO OUR CONCERNS AS WELL AS THE CONCERNS OF THE DEVELOPER. A SPECIAL THANKS TO THOSE CITY COUNCILMEN, ROSS WEAVER K WAYNE SHUFFIELD, AND ALLEN MOORMAN, WHO TOOK THE TIME OUT OF THEIR BUSY SCHEDULE TO VISIT THE HOMEOWNERS AND VIEW THEIR PROPERTIES TO SEE THE ISSUES FIRSTHAND. CONTINGENT UPON APPROVAL BY THE CITY COUNCIL, I AM IN FAVOR OFOF LATEST REVISED CHANGES AND DRAWINGS OF THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR ASHFORD ESTATES DATED 4/21/2025 WHICH ADDRESSES THE ENTRANCE BEING MOVED FURTHER SOUTH AND INSTALLING A 30- FOOT DRAINAGE EASEMENT AND REDUCING THE NUMBER OF HOMES BEING BUILT FROM THEIR ORIGINAL PLAN. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR

TIME. >> THANK YOU, MR. LAMB.

>> KEVIN COYNE.

>> WELCOME, MR. COYNE. IF YOU'D STATE YOUR NAME INTO THE MICROPHONE AND WHETHER OR NOT YOU LIVE IN THE CITY LIMITS, AND YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES.

>> MY NAME IS KEVIN COYNE, I LITSCH 4220 WHITEHEAD ROAD. I'M HERE FOR GRATITUDE. I CAME TO YOU ONE NIGHT AND I SAID, WE WERE DESPERATE FOR SOME ATTENTION, ALL OF US SENIOR CITIZENS. AND YOU GAVE US ATTENTION.

WE WEREN'T GETTING ANYWHERE. AND YOU HELPED US.

SOME OF YOU CAME OUT AND HAD THE CHANCE.

MIKE WOULD HAVE COME OUT, WE COULDN'T ARRANGE OUR SCHEDULES TO COME OUT, SO I APPRECIATE THAT. I DEALT ON THE PHONE WITH TAMMY AND MR. MELIK. YOU HAVE ALL BEEN RESPONSIVE.

A LOT OF PEOPLE I REPRESENT AREN'T REAL HAPPY, BUT THERE'S

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I MET HUNTER OUTSIDE OF THIS A COUPLE OF TIMES, AND WE'VE GOTTEN ALONG VERY WELL. IT'S ONE OF THOSE THINGS WHERE WE AGREE TO DISAGREE. SO I WANT TO THANK -- LAST WEEK ROSS WAS A GAME CHANGER. HE CAME OUT AND ARRANGED A MEETING WITH MYSELF, MR. LAMB AND THEN HUNTER SHOWED UP AT MR. LAMB'S HOUSE ANOTHER DAY. IF YOU HAVEN'T BEEN OUT TO THE PROPERTY, YOU NEVER KNEW WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THAT PROPERTY, AND I WILL SAY NOBODY FROM PLANNING AND ZONING EVER VISITED THE PROPERTY, AND THAT VOTE THE OTHER NIGHT, THEY PAUSED.

THEY NEVER DISCUSSED THE PROBLEM. I MEAN, WE'RE NOT STUPID.

SO I WANT TO THANK ALL OF YOU. I REALLY WANT TO THANK THE PEOPLE, SOME OF THE ONES MR. LAMB MENTIONED.

I ALSO WANT TO MENTION THERE'S PEOPLE -- WHEN I STARTED, IT WASN'T JUST FOR ME.

WE HAVE A SMALL PIECE. PEOPLE LIKE MR. LAMB AND EVERYBODY ON -- I CAN'T REMEMBER THE NAME OF THE STREET -- I WENT AFTER EVERYBODY'S DOOR, DOOR-TO-DOOR. I WANT TO THANK THOSE PEOPLE, NO MATTER WHERE THEY LIVED, EVEN IF THEY GOT THAT THING APPROVED.

THERE WERE A FEW PEOPLE LEFT THAT KEPT SUPPORTING US.

WE WERE ALL IN THIS TOGETHER. SOME PEOPLE TRICKLED AWAY, BUT SOME PEOPLE STAYED WITH US EVEN THOUGH THEY GOT WHAT THEY WANT RIGHT UP FRONT.

I WANT TO THANK ALL THOSE CITIZENS THAT DIDN'T.

SO, AGAIN, I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING PREPARED.

I COULD TALK ALL NIGHT. YOU DON'T WANT THAT.

I'M LEAVING FOR VEGAS IN THE MORNING FOR A WELL- DESERVED VACATION TO DANCE, BELIEVE IT OR NOT, NOT TO GAMBLE. I DON'T GIVE MY MONEY AWAY.

MAYOR, THANKS FOR STARTING THIS. ANNA, WE MET WITH YOU, CITY MANAGEMENT HAD A MEETING FOR US. JOHN, ARE YOU HAPPY? MY NEW FRIENDS, JOHN AND MONICA AND THE AYALAS.

WE MET SOME NEW FRIENDS AND MAYBE SOME HERE, TOO.

WITH THAT, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I JUST WANT THAT NEW ONE, THOUGH, NEEDS TO BE DONE AND DOCUMENTED.

THANKS.

>> THANK YOU. THAT'S ALL THE PUBLIC SPEAKERS.

WITH NO MORE PUBLIC HAVING INPUT ON THE CASE I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. SO MOVED.

MOTION BY COUNCILMAN WEAVER, SECONDED BY COUNCIL WOMAN HAMMONDS. PLEASE VOTE.

ITEM PASSES 6-0. WOULD YOU LIKE A MAKE A PRESENTATION OR STAND FOR QUESTIONS?

>> STAND FOR QUESTIONS.

>> MARY, IF YOU COULD STAY CLOSE AS WELL.

I'M SURE WE'LL HAVE QUESTIONS FOR YOU.

QUESTIONS OF STAFF FOR THE APPLICANT? ROSS?

>> A FEW STATEMENTS. NOT REALLY QUESTIONS.

I DO HAVE ONE QUESTION BUT GETTING ON THE PROPERTY IT'S FUN TO LOOK AT THINGS ON PAPER, BUT IT'S A LOT MORE FUN TO SEE THEM IN THE REAL WORLD.

AT FIRST I WAS SKEPTICAL ABOUT THE OFFSET OF THE ENTRANCE IN MR. GLASS' MOST RECENT PLAN, BUT THAT'S AT THE CREST OF THE HILL THAT ALLOWS A GOOD LINE OF VISION BACK TOWARDS THE CURVECURVE AND TO THE SOUTH AS THE ROAD GOES INTO A PRETTY BIG DIP. IT'S PROBABLY A LOCATION THAT WILL NEED TO LOOK AT A THREE- WAY STOP ON THAT WILL HELP HAVE A CALMING EFFECT ON ASHFORD LANE FROM THE BLIND CURVE IF WE'RE SLOWING THEM DOWN JUST TO THE SOUTH OF IT. THAT WILL HOPEFULLY REDUCE SOME OF THE VELOCITIES AND SAFETY CONCERNS. I AM SUPPORTIVE OF THE PROPOSED REVISION TO THAT ENTRY POINT TO THE SOUTH.

ALSO, IF YOU LOOK AT IT ASAS SITS IN THE WORLD, IF THE ENTRY POINT WAS LEFT IN THE NORTHERN CORNER, IT DOESN'T ALIGN WITH THE RIGHT OF WAY, SO I DON'T THINK IT WOULD HAVE BEEN A TRUE "T" INTERSECTION UNTIL WE OBTAINED PROPERTY NORTH OF THE PROPERTY LINE TO QUAR THAT THING OFF, SO IT WOULD HAVE BEEN KIND OF AN OFFSET T WHICH COULD HAVE BEEN PROBLEMATIC IN THE LONG RUN. ONE OF THE MAJOR CONCERNS OF THE RESIDENTS NORTH AND SOUTH WAS DRAINAGE. SOME EXISTING DRAINAGE CONCERNS GOING ON AND SO THE INCLUSION OF TWO SIGNIFICANTLY SIZED DRAINAGE EASEMENTS THAT ALLOW FOR THE ENGINEER AND THE CITY IN THE FUTURE SINCE THERE IS DRAINAGE IN PLACE TO MAKE ADJUSTMENTS IF NEEDED, I THINK, IS VERY IMPORTANT.

I'M GLAD TO SEE THEY PUT THEM AROUND THE PERIMETER OF THE PROPERTY SO THAT NO MATTER WHICH WAY WATER DECIDES TO FLOW, THEIR ENGINEERS CAN PICK IT UP AND GET IT TO THE AFROEP RAT PLACE. THE ONLY OTHER CONCERN I HAD AND I DISCUSSED WITH MR. COYNE WAS THE LOTS ON THE SOUTH THAT BACK UP TO SOME OF THOSE PLOTTED LOTS THERE OFF OF WHITEHEAD ROAD. THEY SIT DOWN BELOW THE GRADE OF WHERE THE SUBDIVISION WILL BE, AND SO LIMITING THAT ROW OF

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AND WITH THOSE CHANGES AND THE CHANGES TO THE PLAN FROM WHEN THE PROCESS STARTED TO WHERE WE ARE NOW, I THINK THIS IS ABOUT AS ELEGANT A SOLUTION AS YOUYOU GET. I DON'T KNOW THAT EVERY PARTY WILL LEAVE TODAY HAPPY, BUT MY HOPE IS THAT WITH THIS LEVEL OF REVISION AND INPUT AND REDESIGN THAT EVERYBODY AT LEAST LEAVES CONTENT. MY ONLY QUESTION IS, DO YOU HAVE ANY CONCERNS WITH LIMITING THOSE SIX LOTS TO SINGLE STORY ONLY?

>> NO, SIR, I DON'T. AND I TOLD MR. COYNE AS WELL AS MR. LAMB THAT I WOULD BE OKAY THE NORTH SIDE, TOO, WHERE MR. LAMB'S HOUSE IS AT.

IT'S NOT THAT BIG A DEAL. MOST PEOPLE DON'T BUILD TWO- STORY HOMES IN THESE DEVELOPMENTS.

IT'S VERY RARE. I HAVE ONE DOWN THE STREET -- OR TWO DOWN THE STREET, BUT THAT'S THE ONLY OTHER ONES I KNOW OFOF MY STREET AND THAT'S 50 HOUSES AND THIS IS ONLY 32. I DON'T SEE THAT HAPPENING.

MAYBE ON THE BIGGER LOTS I DO ON THE WEST SIDE, BUT NOT ON THE SMALLER LOTS, NO, SIR.

>> ROSS, WILL YOU CALL OUT THE LOT NUMBERS?

>> IT APPEARS TO BE LOTS 11 THROUGH 16 OF WHAT IS SHOWING AS BLOCK D, AND THEN THE ONES MR. GLASS IS REFERRING TO WOULD BE --

>> A 1, 2, 3, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14.

>> A 1- 3 AND 10-14.

>> I'M GOING TO PUT THAT IN MY CCRS AS WELL.

>> THANK YOU, ROSS. ANNA?

>> I WANT TO HONE IN ON THE STOP SIGNS THAT ROSS WAS TALKSING ABOUT.

DID YOU SAY STOP SIGNS AT THE RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE -- AND I KNOW WE'RE NOT -- THIS IS NOT A DONE DEAL -- BUT AT THE ENTRANCE RIGHT HERE? AND CAN THAT BE DECIDED ON IN THIS, OR IS THAT A SEPARATE CONVERSATION?

>> I DON'T KNOW FROM A TRAFFIC STANDPOINT, I DON'T KNOW THAT PUTTING ONE RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF THAT ASHFORD WOULD MEET ANY KIND OF -- I FORGET THE ACRONYM, BUT THE TRAFFIC MANUAL.

I DON'T THINK IT WILL MEET THAT.

MAYBE AT THE CORNER.

>> WE CAN LEAVE THAT TO THE DISCRETION --

>> I DON'T THINK THAT WILL PASS MUSTER POPPING A STOP SIGN IN THE MIDDLE OF ASHFORD.

>> OKAY.

>> I DON'T FEEL LIKE IT'S RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE STREET ONCE WE TURN IT INTO A THREE- WAY INTERSECTION. I MEAN, IT IS TWO CITY RIGHT OF WAYS THAT ARE INTERSECTING AT A HARD 90- DEGREE ANGLE, SO, I MEAN, THAT'S WHERE WE GENERALLY SEE STOP SIGNS IS AT FOUR- WAY AND THREE- WAY INTERSECTIONS, SO MAYBE THERE'S A RULE AGAINST THAT I'M UNAWARE OF IN STATE OR LOCAL LAW.

>> JUST TO BE CLEAR, YOU'RE ADVOCATING FOR A STOP SIGN AT THE CURVE --

>> WHERE THE INTERSECTION OCCURS.

>> AT THE INTERSECTION OF THE NEW ROAD.

>> ASHFORD ESTATE DRIVE OR WHATEVER IT'S CALLED.

>> ONE OF THE THINGS YOU LOOK AT, YOU LOOK AT WHAT TRAFFIC IS GENERATED FROM THE THE THAT'S CONNECTING TO THE MAJOR ROAD AND SEE IF THOSE VOLUMES ARE SIMILAR. IF YOU LOOK AT A 32- LOT DEVELOPMENT AND THE NUMBER OF TRIPS ON ASHFORD GOING -- THE NUMBERS WON'T EQUATE TO THE NECESSITY FOR A THREE- WAY STOP TYPICALLY.

WHEN YOU LOOK AT IT, TO UTILIZE AND LOOK AT THE CURVE AREA. THE ONE THING I WOULD REQUEST, BECAUSE THIS IS NEW AND YOU SEE THE LOCATION WHERE THEY'RE BRINGING IT IN ONTO ASHFORD WOULD BE EITHER THERE OR SOME PLACE A LITTLE BIT FARTHER TO THE SOUTH WHERE WE CAN FIGURE OUT THE BEST LINE OF SIGHT AND HOW÷÷HOW AWAY WE CAN GET FROM THE CURVE.

I THINK THAT'S 300 FEET. WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE A GREAT LINE OF SIGHTSIGHT DIRECTIONS BUT ALSO WANT TO MAKE SURE SOMEBODY PULLING OUT AND SOMEBODY COMING AROUND THAT CURVE HAS TIME TO REACT AND BE ABLE TO PULL OUT IF THEY'RE COMING WITH NOT BEING TOO CLOSE TO THE CURVE.

WE WANT A LITTLE BIT OF FLEXIBILITY BECAUSE THIS IS THE FIRST SEEING THIS NOW AND WANT TO HAVE FLEXIBILITY, MAY NEED TO GET SHIFTED ANOTHER 150 FEET TO THE SOUTH IF WE STILL HAVE A GOOD LINE OF SIGHT NORTH AND SOUTH. IT WOULDN'T IMPACT THE NUMBER OF LOTS, IT WOULD BE RECONFIGURATION IN THE AREA.

>> SO WOULD IT BE GIVING DIRECTION THAT THIS WOULD BE STUDIED AFTERWARDS? I JUST FEEL -- I WAS HOPEFUL THAT THIS WOULD TRIGGER SOMETHING THAT WOULD HELP THAT

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SOMEWHERE. >> SO ONE OF THE THINGS WE CAN LOOK AT, AGAIN, LOOK AT THAT CURVE. THAT BECOMES MORE OF A 90, WHERE YOU CAN'T MAKE IT A STOP CONDITION.

AGAIN, MAYBE SOMETHING WE CAN LOOK AT WITH PUBLIC WORKS.

MAYBE WE COULD PUT STOPS FOR THE CURVE AREA BECAUSE IT WOULD BE MORE OF A TRUE 90.

>> AND IT'S FAR ENOUGH AWAY FROM THE 300 FEET, THAT'S FAR ENOUGH TO HAVE -- LIKE, CARS WOULDN'T BACK UP.

WE WOULDN'T BE WORRIED ABOUT CARS BACKING UP INTO THE

ENTRANCE? >> WHAT WE'RE REALLY TALKING ABOUT, FOR THE MOST PART, IS ABOUT A 30- MINUTE PERIOD IN THE MORNING AND THEN PROBABLY A PEAK TIME IN THE AFTERNOON WHERE PARENTS ARE COMING TO PICK UP THEIR KIDS.

THAT'S MORE DISPERSED I THINK IN THAT END. IF THAT GETS SHIFTED FARTHER DOWN, I DON'T KNOW THAT IT WOULD BE AS BIG A CONCERN. AGAIN, IF YOU CAN MISS THAT QUINN WINDOW, IT'S NOT A PROBLEM.

>> OKAY.

>> ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ON THIS

TOPIC? >> I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THAT YESTERDAY I WAS OUT THERE, AND I WAS SITTING WHERE THAT'S GOING TO BE AT, AND THAT'S WHERE THE CURRENT ENTRANCE TO THE PROPERTY IS AT, THE OLD GATE.

THERE'S A LOAD OF SIGHT LINE IF YOU'RE LOOKING DOWN BOTH WAYS. A LOAD OF SIGHT LINE LIKE A LOT EITHER WAY. WHEN ROSS SAID THAT, I'M GOING TO GO OUT WITH ONE OF MY BUDDIES.

HE HADN'T SEEN THE PROPERTY YET, AND I SHOWED HIM AROUND.

WE CAME OUT. I WAS LIKE, THIS IS WAY SAFER LOOKING LEFT -- LIKE, WHEN WE GET SOME OF TREES CLEARED UP, IT WILL BE WAY SAFER LOOKING LEFT AND RIGHT AND IF THERE ARE STOP SIGNS THAT WILL BE A HECK OF A LOT SAFER THAN WHAT IS CURRENTLY THERE WHICH IS NOTHING.

THAT'S MY OPINION AT LEAST.

>> THANK YOU. I'LL TAKE A MOTION ON THE CASE.

>> I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO

APPROVE. >> REAL QUICK, WAYNE REQUESTED TO HOLD THE VOTE UNTIL HE GOT BACK.

>> IT DOES REQUIRE A SUPER MAJORITY, CORRECT?

>> YES.

>> SPEAKING TO HUNTER'S POINT RELATED TO THE SIGHT LINES, SINCE WE HAVE A MOMENT TO TALK, I SAT AT THE NORTH CORNER WHERE THE DRIVE ACCESS IS AND TO MR. LAMB'S PROPERTY, AND WHEN YOU'RE SITTING AT THAT LOCATION, ESPECIALLY LOOKING BACK TO THE RIGHT, THE WAY THAT HILL IS THERE, YOU CAN'T SEE A CAR UNTIL IT'S -- I MEAN -- THE SAFETY CONDITION OR CONCERN FOR ME WAS CARS TRAVELING NORTHBOUND ON ASHFORD FROM SOUTH OF THE PROPERTY, A LOW- PROFILE SEDAN OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, UNTIL IT'S ALMOST AT THAT CURVE, YOU COULD BE PULLING OUT AND THEY'RE MEETING YOU.

WHEN YOU SHIFT IT TO THE SOUTH, YOU'RE AT THE CREST OF THE HILL SO YOU CAN LOOK DOWN AND ALL THE WAY BACK UP THE NEXT RISE, AND SO THAT TRAFFIC COMING, SURE, CAN SOMEBODY TAKE THAT ALMOST 90-DEGREE TURN AT 60 MILES AN HOUR? YOU BET.

I'M SURE SOMEBODY HAS PROBABLY DONE IT BEFORE.

I WOULD HAZARD A GUESS THAT'S NOT MOST OF THE MOTORISTS OUT THERE. SO THE VELOCITY OF TRAVEL COMING FROM THE NORTH AROUND THAT CURVE RADIUS IS GOING TO BE CALM, MORE SO THAN THE VELOCITY OF THE TRAFFIC COMING FROM THE SOUTH ON A STRAIGHTAWAY AND SO THAT WAS MY CONCERN AND WHY I LIKED THIS CONFIGURATION. IF IT NEEDS TO WIGGLE A FEW FEET HERE OR THERE AND HUNTER OR MR. GLASS AND THE ENGINEERS CAN FIGURE OUT HOW TO MAKE THAT WORK, SO BE IT. THE FURTHER YOU PUSH IT SOUTH, THE MORE YOU'RE GETTING IT DOWNHILL FROM THE CARS COMING FROM THE NORTH.

SO I THINK THE PRECIPICE OF THAT HILL AND THE DRIVE OF THE ROAD NEEDS TO BE A STRONG CONSIDERATION IN BEING ABLE TO SEE WHAT'S GOING ON AS YOU NAVIGATE IT WITH YOUR VEHICLE.

>> OKAY. DOES YOUR MOTION STAND, ALLEN?

>> YEAH, I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE WITH RESTRICTING LOTS 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16 ALONG WITH 1, 2, 3 AND 10, 11, 12 TO SINGLE STORY ONLY.

>> JUST FOR CLARITY, IT'S UNDER SECTION

D 11-16 -- >> CORRECT.

>> AND A 1- 3 AND 10-14. DOES THAT COVER THEM?

>> AND THE SIGHT PLAN THAT'S IN HERE, IS THAT THE ONE THAT'S --

>> I THINK IT'S DIFFERENTDIFFERENT THE DRAINAGE.

>> WE NEED TO DO THE SITE PLAN AS PRESENTED TONIGHT AND REPLACE WITH THE SITE PLAN PRESENTED TONIGHT.

>> IS THAT THE SITE PLAN WE'RE LOOKING AT?

>> YES, SIR.

>> OKAY. SO REPLACING --

>> EXHIBIT E WITH THE CURRENT SITE PLAN WE'RE PRESENTED WITH TONIGHT.

>> OKAY. EVERYBODY CLEAR ON THE MOTION? IS THERE A SECOND?

>> SECOND.

>> I HAVE A MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN MOORMAN TO

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THIS DOES REQUIRE A SUPER MAJORITY, FIVE OUT OF THE SIX OF US FOR APPROVAL. SO PLEASE VOTE.

THE SCREEN WENT DARK BUT YOU HAVE A 6- 0, PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. THANK YOU ALL. MOVING ON TO OUR SECOND PUBLIC HEARING OF THE EVENING EVENING--

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2025- 118, CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING AND CONSIDER AND ACT UPON AN ORDINANCE RELATING TO THE USE AND DEVELOPMENT OF 12. 689+ ACRES ABSTRACT 464 CITY OF MIDLOTHIAN, BY AMENDING AND RESTATING THE DEVELOPMENT USE, REGULATION IN DISTRICT NUMBER 81 RELATING TO SUCH TRACT AND GRANTING SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR A HELIPAD SUBJECT TO DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS. THE PROPERTY IS GENERALLY LOCATED AT THE NORTHWEST CORNER OF SOUTH 14TH STREET AND HAWKINS RUN ROAD. MARY?

>> MAYOR, COUNCIL, THIS REQUEST IS TO AMEND PD- 81 TO ADD AN SUP FOR A HELIPAD.

THE BASE ZONING ON THE TRACT IS COMMUNITY RETAIL WHICH ALLOWS A MEDICAL CLINIC BY RIGHT. THE COMP PLAN FEATURE LAND USE SHOWS NEWTOWN MODULE WHICH ALLOWS A MIX OF COMMERCIAL FACILITIES ALONG WITH SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL.

THE GOALS THAT IT MEETS, WELL-BEING IS A GUIDING PRINCIPLE, DIVERSIFIES THE TAX BASE AND ENCOURAGES POTENTIAL EMPLOYERS. TO THE NORTH THE PROPERTY IS ZONED PD 118 FOR COMMUNITY RETAIL USES.

THERE ARE GENERAL PROFESSIONAL AND COMMERCIAL USES EXISTING. TO THE SOUTH IT'S PD- 68 FOR CR GENERAL PROFESSIONAL AND SINGLE FAMILY USES. TO THE EAST IT'S PD- 81 FOR SINGLE FAMILY FOUR, CRNGP USES AND CAREER DEVELOPMENT. THE THOROUGHFARE PLAN SHOWS SOUTH 14TH STREET AS A MINOR ARTERIAL WITH A BUILDOUT OF 90 FEET.

THEY WILL BE PROVIDING A SOUTHBOUND DECELERATION LANE IN THE RIGHT TURN LANE WITH THE FIRST PHASE.

THIS IS THE PRIMARY ENTRANCE FOR THE DEVELOPMENT.

HAWKINS RUNROAD WILL BE 120 FEET. THE DRIVEWAY LOCATIONS ALIGN WITH THE MEDIAN AND THE DRIVEWAY TO THE SOUTH. THERE IS A MUTUAL ACCESS EASEMENT THAT CONNECTS OFFICES TO THE NORTH SO STAFF METMET THE APPLICANT AND THEIR TRAFFIC ENGINEER AND LOOKED AT THE TIA TO SEE THE IMPACT IF THE ACCESS EASEMENT WERE TO BE CLOSED AND IT WOULD STILL MEET ALL CRITERIA. IT COULD STILL FUNCTION WITHOUT THE CROSS ACCESS EASEMENT, SO STAFF AND THE APPLICANT WOULD BE OKAY WITH THAT PROVISION. HOWEVER SINCE THE USES TO THE NORTH ARE CONSISTENT WITH THESE USES AND THE CONNECTIVITY WILL ALLOW PEOPLE ON THIS DEVELOPMENT TO USE THE TRAFFIC SIGNAL TO THE NORTH THEN STAFF STILL SUPPORTS MAKING THE CONNECTION FOR GOOD CONNECTIVITY. THE SIDEWALK IS BEING RELOCATED AND TIED TO THE EXISTING SIDEWALKS AND PEDESTRIAN WAYS WITHIN THE DEVELOPMENT.

THIS IS OVERALL SITE PLAN. THE HELIPAD IS ON THE NORTHWEST CORNER OF THE SITE. THEY HAVE PROVISIONS WITHIN THE ORDINANCE THAT IT MUST BE ON THE SAME LOT AS THE PRIMARY USE THAT 95% OF OPERATIONS ARE TRANSPORTATION OF PATIENTS OR MEDICAL PERSONNEL AND THAT THE FINAL LOCATION WILL BE WITHIN THIS AREA. SO THE USES FOR THE SITE ARE MEDICAL CLINIC, OFFICES, EMERGENCY DEPARTMENTS, LABS, PHYSICAL THERAPY AND SURGICAL CENTER. I'M NOT GOING TO GO THROUGH THE DEFINITION OF A HOSPITAL VERSUS MEDICAL CLINIC UNLESS YOU WANT ME TO GO INTO THAT DETAIL.

THE MAJOR DIFFERENCE IS THAT THEY ARE LOWER ACUITY CARE VERSUS HIGH ACUITY CARE FOR A MAJOR HOSPITAL.

THE FIRST PHASE WILL BE TWO STORY CLINICAL BUILDING

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THEY ARE ASKING FOR SOME VARIANCES ON THE SIGNAGE AS WELL. THEY'RE ALLOWED ONE PER STREET AND THEY ARE ASKING FOR ONE AT THE BACK OF THE PROPERTY, THE SIGNAGE SHOWN HAS TO BE FRAMED IN STONE AND THE MAXIMUM ALLOWABLE BUILDING SIGNAGE WILL BE 900 VERSUS 600, SO 20 LETTERS WERE MAILED TO PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN 200 FEET.

THERE HAVE BEEN THREE LETTERS OF SUPPORT AND ONE OPPOSITION.

STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL WITH THE VARIANCES THAT WERE MENTIONED, THE SIGNAGE, ARTICULATION AND THE PARKING. AND THE COMMISSION RECOMMENDED APPROVAL BY A VOTE OF 5-2. ANY QUESTIONS?

>> ANYBODY SIGN UP TO SPEAK ON THIS FROM THE PUBLIC?

>> SHAWN LIMON.

>> ARE YOU WITH THE APPLICANT? WOULD YOU LIKE TO HOLD COMMENT? ANY OTHER PUBLIC SPEAKERS?

>> JOHN SULLIVAN.

>> APPLICANT AS WELL.

>> SINCE THERE'S NO OTHER PUBLIC SPEAKERS ON THIS CASE, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.

>> SECOND.

>> MOTION BY COUNCILMAN SHUFFIELD AND SECONDED BY MAYOR PRO TEM WICKLIFFE.

PLEASE VOTE.

THE ITEM PASSES, 7-0. IF THE APPLICANT WOULD LIKE TO COME FORWARD AND MAKE COMMENT OR YOU STAND FOR QUESTION OR MAKE A PRESENTATION, IT'S UP TO YOU. STAND FOR QUESTION? IF YOU HAVE A PRESENTATION I WANT TO ALLOW YOU TO SHARE IT.

>> IT'S SOMEWHAT REPETITIVE. I'M JOHN SULLIVAN AND I WORK WITH TEXAS HEALTH RESOURCES. I HAVE A SMALL TEAM OF FOLKS WITH ME. WE'RE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS Y'ALL MIGHT HAVE.

>> I JUST WANT FOR CLARITY FORFOR MY OWN SAKE, THIS IS A BI- RIGHTS SITUATION, WE'RE JUST VOTING ON THE HELIPAD AND THE TWO VARIANCES OR WE'RE NOT VOTING ON THE SIGNAGE AND PARKING?

>> THE VARIANCE IS BUILT INTO THE VARIANCE.

THEY WOULD HAVE TO COME TO YOU. YOU CAN --

>> DISCUSSION ON ALL THE FRONTS. COUNCIL, QUESTIONS?

>> SO WE'RE ONLY DISCUSSING THE VARIANCE OR THE -- CAN YOU

REPEAT? >> THEY COULD COME BACK AND WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IT. THEY COULD COME BACK AND REWORK THEIR SITE PLAN WHERE THEY DON'T HAVE VARIANCES AND THEN THEY WOULD STILL BE ABLE TO DO THAT ADMINISTRATIVELY, BUT THEY ARE JUST ASKING FOR THE ADDITIONAL SIGNAGE. A LOT IS WHAT'S REQUIRED FOR MEDICAL FACILITY LIKE THE AMBULANCE SIGN AND ALL OF THAT. THERE ARE REASONS FOR ALL THE VARIANCES THAT THEY REQUESTED.

>> IT MAKES THE MAIN TOPIC THE HELIPAD.

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>> THE ONLY THING THAT TRIGGERED IS THE HELIPAD OR THE SIGNAGE --

>> THE HELIPAD.

>> GOT IT.

>> ALL RIGHT, I'LL GO. AM I ON? I'D LIKE TO UNDERSTAND THE SERVICE LINES THAT ARE BEING DELIVERED, AMBULATORY SURGICAL CENTERS, IS THAT THE SAME THING? AND THEN THE ER AND THE DOCTORS' OFFICE, CORRECT? I NEED A LITTLE MORE UNDERSTANDING AS TO WHY A HELIPAD IS EVEN REQUIRED OR NEEDED OR IF THAT'S A DEAL BREAKER IF YOU COULD ELABORATE ON THAT.

>> THANK YOU FOR THAT QUESTION. AGAIN, MY NAME IS JOHN SULLIVAN, I WORK IN THE REAL ESTATE DEPARTMENT. WE HAVE AN EMERGENCY DEPARTMENT, LIKE AN 11,000-SQUARE- FOOT EMERGENCY DEPARTMENT.

AND PATIENTS -- MOST PATIENTS IN THE OTHER TWO FACILITIES WE HAVE THAT ARE SIMILAR TO THIS DRIVE THEMSELVES TO OUR FACILITY. THERE'S SOME AMBULANCE THAT COMES TO OUR FACILITIES. ABOUT 25 PER MONTH, SO ONE PER DAY. AND CERTAIN PATIENTS MIGHT SHOW UP AND ARE HAVING A HEART ATTACK OR HAVING SOME SERIOUS ISSUE THAT THEY NEED TO BE TRANSPORTED. AND SO THE HELIPAD IS JUST THERE TO TRANSPORT PEOPLE THAT HAVE SHOWN UP IN OUR EMERGENCY DEPARTMENT, AND THEY NEED TO BE TRANSFERRED TO

ANOTHER FACILITY. >> GO AHEAD.

>> TWO EASTERS AGO MY FATHERFATHER A HEART ATTACK AND WENT TO A SMALL EMERGENCY ROOM AND THEY'RE ABLE TO STABILIZE HIM AND TAKE HIM IN A HELICOPTER TO A LARGER FACILITY WHERE THEY DID EIGHT- HOUR PROCEDURES, SURGERY.

THE OPPORTUNITY IS TO, TIME IS OF THE ESSENCE AND THEN HAVING THAT ABILITY TO TRANSPORT THEM AFTER THEY'RE STABILIZED TO A HIGHER LEVEL OF SURGICAL CARE.

>> ARE YOU WANTING TO SAY SOMETHING?

>> FROM OUR FIRE DEPARTMENT AND THE TRANSPORT STANDPOINT, AS A GENERAL PRACTICE, THEY DO NOT GO TO A LOT OF FREE STANDING EMERGENCY ROOMS AS A TRANSPORT SERVICE. THEY HAVE IN- PATIENT CAPABILITIES AND HIGHER LEVEL OF ACUITY CARE.

THIS FACILITY WOULD BE ABLE TO OFFER OUR PATIENT POPULATION, PROBABLY A LOCATION THAT WE AREN'T GOING TO TRANSPORT TO A LOT RIGHT OFF THE BAT.

THEY ARE GOING TO NEED SOME TYPE OF IN- PATIENT CARE.

WE JUST GO PAST THOSE FACILITIES TO A PLACE THAT CAN CARE FOR THAT PATIENT IN THAT LONG- TERM CAPACITY. SO URGENT CARE, AS YOU SEE A LOT OF THE 24- HOUR EDS THAT POP UP IN LOCATIONS, THOSE ARE GENERALLY PLACES WE DO NOT TRANSPORT TO AS A FIRE DEPARTMENT TRANSPORT SERVICE.

>> SO THE HELIPAD IN THOSE SITUATIONS WERE KIND OF COUNTING ON THEM BEING HELIPAD SITUATIONS WHERE SOMEONE WALKS IN ON THEIR OWN?

>> I WOULD SAY IF WE TOOK A PATIENT TO THEIR FACILITY AND THEY'RE NOW HAVING TO CALL FOR A HELICOPTER, WE MISDIAGNOSED A

PATIENT. >> RIGHT.

>> WE SHOULD NOT HAVE TAKEN THEM THERE.

>> HOW OFTEN ARE WE THINKING THIS EVER HAPPENS?

>> I CAN'T ANSWER FOR THEM. I KNOW THE FACILITY ACROSS THE STREET, WHEN THEY HAVE TO TRANSFER A PATIENT, IT'S VERY RARE BECAUSE MAYBE THEY DON'T HAVE A CARDIAC CATH THAT NEEDS EMERGENT CATHETERIZATION AND SO THEY WILL BRING A HELICOPTER IN AND TAKE THAT OUT.

THAT HAPPENS VERY RARELY AS FAR AS -- I KNOW ACROSS THE STREET BUT I'LL LET THEM ANSWER THAT.

>> YES, AS FAR AS WALK- INS, THE TOP THINGS PEOPLE COME INTO THE EMERGENCY ROOMS ARE FOR CHEST PAIN, FOR BACK PAIN, HEADACHE, STOMACH, AND SO THE AMOUNT OF THOSE PEOPLE THAT ACTUALLY NEED TO BE TRANSFERRED VERSUS STABILIZED IS LOW, BUT THERE IS THE SMALL PERCENTAGE OF THOSE WHO ACTUALLY NEED TO BE TRANSFERRED. AND SO FOR A FACILITY THAT TREATS EMERGENT CARE FOR HEART CARE÷÷CARE TO HAVE THE ABILITY TO THEN TRANSPORT, YOU KNOW, EVEN OUR OTHER HOSPITAL HERE IN MIDLOTHIAN, METHODIST, HAVE THE CAPABILITY IF THIS NEEDS A HIGHER LEVEL OF CARE BECAUSE THERE ARE DIFFERENT LEVELS OF HEART CARE.

>> BUT THEY WOULD --

>> A LARGER FACILITY WOULD HAVE MORE OF THE SERVICE LINES IN

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>> CATH LAB --

>> THIS WILL NOT HAVE CATH BUT WOULD HAVE TPA WHICH IS BLOOD THING THAT WOULD HELP WITH LOWER LEVEL ACUITY AND A LOT OF THOSETHOSE IS STABILIZATION SO YOU CAN GET TPA FOR STROKES BEFORE NEEDING TO GO TO A HIGHER LEVEL CARE FOR A LOT OF THEM.

>> AND THIS MAY BE IN YOUR PRESENTATION, BUT I ASSUME Y'ALL CONDUCTED RESEARCH. WHAT IS THE RESEARCH SHOWING AS FAR AS THE PATIENT NEED FOR Y'ALL TO BE IN THIS MARKET?

>> JUST IN 7605 -- 70065, A LITTLE OVER 20,000 OUTPATIENT EMERGENCY VISITS.

THOSE ARE APPROPRIATE FOR OUR FACILITY.

A PERCENTAGE GOES TO THE METHODIST FACILITY THIS IS A HIGHER LEVEL OF CARE. AND AS THE COMMUNITY GROWS, IT IS PART OF THE EXPANSION PLAN. AS THE NEEDS OF THE COMMUNITY CONTINUE TO GROW WE HAVE BUILT THAT CAPABILITY TO SERVE THOSE NEEDS. IN THE BEGINNING IT IS REALLY TAKING CARE OF THOSE ACUTE OUTPATIENT NEEDS, BREAKS, SPRAINS, CHEST PAIN, STOMACH PAIN, THINGS THAT COULD BE DIGESTIVE.

>> AND WHAT PERCENTAGE -- I KNOW I'M ASKING NUMBERS QUESTIONS, BUT I'M NO MEDICAL EXPERT, IS IT A HIGH PERCENTAGE THAT AN ER FACILITY OR EVEN A SURGERY CENTER WOULD HAVE A HELIPAD?

>> YES.

>> I PERSONALLY HAVE NOT SEEN IT.

>> IF YOU HAVE AN ER FACILITY THEY WOULD NEED TO HAVE A HELIPAD, YES, EVEN THE BIG FACILITIES HAVE IT TO RECEIVE.

>> I MEAN THE STANDALONE ERS NOT A FULL HOSPITAL.

>> URGENT CARES, NO. ERS, YES. CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG.

>> THAT'S CORRECT. WE HAVE THREE CURRENTLY.

WE HAVE ONE IN WILLOW PARK AND ONE IN PROSPER AND ALL THREE HAVE HELIPADS. ANOTHER INTERESTING FACT, SO WE HAVE THE ONE IN WILLOW PARK AND BURLESON, THE TWO COMBINED RECEIVE ABOUT 3,000 PEOPLE PER MONTH, AND THERE'S ONE HELICOPTER TRIP OUT BETWEEN THE TWO FACILITIES AND IT'S AN OUTBOUND HELICOPTER.

>> AND SO -- AND THIS MAY BE A COUNCIL QUESTION, SO, LIKE, OUR -- LIKE THE ER, IS THAT NOT AN ER FACILITY OR URGENT CARE IN WAXAHACHIE?

>> I THINK THAT'S URGENT CARE.

>> OKAY.

>> I'M NOT SURE.

>> CAN I JUST BLUNTLY TELL YOU WHAT I'M THINKING SO YOU CAN TELL ME IF I'M WRONG? WHEN I'M THINKING ABOUT THE CITIZENS OF MIDLOTHIAN, WHICH OBVIOUSLY IS WHAT I'M HERE TO THINK ABOUT, I AM WONDERING IF THIS MODEL IS SET UP IN A WAY TO DELIVER THE LOWEST LEVEL OF CARE IN ORDER TO BE ABLE TO SHIP THEM OUT INSTEAD OF HAVING IT ON SITE.

AND I DON'T MEAN TO BE RUDE. I'M WONDERING IF WE'RE JUST GOING TO BRING IT DOWN AND JUST TRIAGE THEM, GET THEM FIXED AND SHIP THEM OUT OF MIDLOTHIAN, WHEN I WANT THEM TO WALK IN HERE, I WANT THEM TO BE TAKEN CARE OF HERE, I WANT IT TO BE PATIENT CENTERED HERE AND I WANT THEM TO STAY HERE.

SO THAT -- I LOVE THE IDEA OF I'M GOOD WITH THE CONCEPT OF BEING THERE. THE HELIPAD I'M NOT FULLY UNDERSTANDING IT. I'M NOT TRYING TO BE RUDE.

>> NO, NO, IT DOES MAKE SENSE. SO WHAT I WOULD SAY -- I CAN'T DO THE NUMBERS IN MY HEAD, BUT IT'S ONE PATIENT PER 3,000 THAT'S SHIPPED OUT.

AND WHERE THEY GET SHIPPED TO, THAT'S A DECISION MADE BY THETHE ROOM PHYSICIAN, EMS, CARE FLIGHT.

AND AN INTERESTING FACT, I'M THE REAL ESTATE GUY, SO I'VE BEEN LEARNING A LOT ABOUT HELICOPTERS. THE CARE FLIGHT IS ACTUALLY OWNED -- SO WE OWN A PORTION OF CARE FLIGHT, METHODIST OWNS A PORTION OF CARE FLIGHT, BAYLOR OWNS A PORTION OF CARE FLIGHT.

SO IT'S NOT -- CARE FLIGHT IS INDEPENDENT OF US, JUST LIKE EMS IS INDEPENDENT OF US.

WHAT I WOULD SAY IF THE CONCERN IS WE'RE GOING TO BE FLYING PEOPLE OUT, IT'S ONLY ONE -- YOU KNOW, IT WILL BE HALF A PERSON PER MONTH IN THIS FACILITY, AND WE WILL FLY THEM TO WHERE THE EMERGENCY ROOM DOCTOR -- DEPENDING ON WHAT THEIR CONDITION IS -- WHERE IS THE BEST PLACE FOR THE PATIENT TO GO TO.

>> AND SO AT THAT POINT WE WOULD NEED -- BECAUSE YOU'RE WANTING TO SET UP RIGHT DOWN THE STREET FROM A FULL- BLOWN HOSPITAL, SO INSTEAD OF TAKING THEM IN AN AMBULANCE RIGHT DOWN THE STREET TO KEEP THEM HERE IN MIDLOTHIAN, WE'RE GUESSING THAT THEY WOULD BE AT A TRAUMA LEVEL HIGHER THAN WHAT CAN BE PROVIDED THERE AND AT THAT POINT THEY

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>> YEAH, THERE'S INTERESTING REGULATION ABOUT WE CAN'T JUST SHIP SOMEBODY TO ANOTHER HOSPITAL.

SO THERE'S PROTOCOLS AND PROCEDURES AND ACTUALLY IT'S REGULATED. SO WE HAVE TO CONTACT THE OTHER HOSPITAL, TALK ABOUT THE DOCTOR'S WILL, WHAT CARE THEY NEED AND DETERMINE WHERE IS THE BEST PLACE TO TRANSPORT THEM TO.

>> AND REALLY IN REALITY I WOULD ASSUME YOU'RE WANTING TO STAY WITHIN THE SAME HEALTH SYSTEM, RIGHT? SURELY WITH THE COMPETITION OF HOSPITAL SYSTEMS WE'RE NOT SHIPPING THEM DOWN THE STREET --

>> WE DO. WE SHIP TO COOKE CHILDREN'S, IT DEPENDS ON THE CARE THAT THEY NEED. AND A LOT OF TIMES THERE'S AN ACCIDENT, THEY NEED TO MAKE SURE THE FACILITY HAS AVAILABILITY TO STREET THAT PARTICULAR TYPE OF CASE, SO THERE'S A LOT THAT GOES ON BETWEEN THE PATIENT, EMS, CARE FLIGHT, TO DECIDE THE BEST PLACE TO TAKE THEM IS.

>> LAST QUESTION AND I'LL BE DONE.

I APPRECIATE YOUR PATIENCE WITH MY QUESTIONS.

IS IT A DEAL BREAKER, THE HELIPAD?

>> I WOULD SAY WE REALLY WANT THE HELIPAD THERE, AND OUR POSITION IS WE'RE GOING TO PAY FOR IT, WE'RE GOING TO PAY FOR IT. IT'S THAT ONE PATIENT THAT SHOWS UP THAT NEEDS TO BE TRANSPORTED WE LIKE THE ABILITY TO BE ABLE TO TRANSPORT THEM OUT.

>> IT IS WHAT WOULD BE BEST. IF SOMEONE IS COMING THERE, IT IS BEST FOR THE COMMUNITY AND FOR THE PATIENTS TO BE ABLE TO HAVE THAT, IF NEEDED, AND SO WE'RE NOT GOING TO TRANSFER SOMEBODY WITH SOMETHING THAT COULD JUST, AGAIN, IF SOMEBODY WALKS IN WITH THIS, THEN WE WANT THEM TO BE ABLE TO HAVE THAT ABILITY TO GET THAT CARE, AND IT'S NOT -- WE WANT TO TAKE CARE OF THE PATIENTS IN MIDLOTHIAN IN MIDLOTHIAN AND THAT'S WHY WE'VE ADDED THAT SITE TO EXPAND TO PROVIDE THOSE SERVICES.

>> HERE IS CHIEF AGAIN. >> IF YOU DON'T PUT A HELIPAD THERE, IF YOU DON'T PUT A HELIPAD THERE, THE MOST LIKELY SCENARIO THAT HAPPENS NEXT IS SOMEBODY WALKS INTO THEIR EMERGENCY ROOM AND THEY NEED TO GET A CATH DONE EMERGENTLY, THEY'RE CALLING THE MIDLOTHIAN FIRE DEPARTMENT TO TRANSFER THAT PATIENT BECAUSE WE'RE THE MOST AVAILABLE UNIT UNLESS THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE A PRIVATE AMBULANCE COMPANY SITTING ON SITE WAITING FOR THOSE TRANSFERS, THE PATH OF LEAST RESISTANCE IS PICK UP THE PHONE, DIAL 911, HAVE AN AMBULANCE COME AND TRANSFER THE PATIENT.

WITHOUT THE HELIPAD THAT PUTS ANOTHER IMPACT ON US AS A LOCAL

RESOURCE. >> IS IT BAD THAT I LIKE THAT? I WANT US TO TAKE CARE OF OUR PEOPLE.

>> IT'S NOT BAD. WE DO CURRENTLY DO SOME OF THOSE TYPES OF TRANSFERS FOR METHODIST/MIDLOTHIAN WHEN WEATHER DOES NOT -- HELICOPTERS CAN'T FLY IN BAD WEATHER. IF THE BAD WEATHER IS OUT THERE, IT COMES TOWARDS US. IT'S NOT OUR PRIMARY MISSION TO DO INTERHOSPITAL TRANSFERS BUT WE WILL DO THEM IN CERTAIN SITUATIONS WHEN THE PATIENT ACUITY IS HIGH AND THEY NEED IMMEDIATE TREATMENT FOR A STEMI LIKE GETTING A CATH DONE.

TIME IS MONEY. FOR US WE GET A PATIENT IN THE FIELD HAVING A CARDIAC EVENT, WE WANT TO GO STRAIGHT TO THE FACILITY WE CAN WALK STRAIGHT INTO THEIR CATH LAB AND PUT THEM ON THE TABLE AND THEY OPEN THEM UP BECAUSE IF WE STOP AT ANOTHER FACILITY THAT'S NOT CAPABLE OF THAT, TIME IS MUSCLE. WE JUST KILLED A LOT OF MUSCLE AT THIS FACILITY.

>> SURE.

>> WAITING FOR THEM TO GET TRANSFERRED FOR THE APPROPRIATE CARE.

>> AND CAN YOU FLY OUT -- OKAY. I'LL BE DONE.

I'M DONE.

>> I ASSUME THIS IS A 24- HOUR FACILITY, AND THE POTENTIAL OF UTILIZING THE HELICOPTER WOULD BE 24 HOURS AS WELL?

>> YES.

>> MIKE?

>> I'M KIND OF CURIOUS AND I HAVE SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT THE HELIPAD.

SO WITHIN MY BUSINESS I HAVE AN A ACCIDENTAL POLICY THAT'S BEEN USED SEVERAL TIMES, AND I NOTICE THAT MY PARTICULAR INSURANCE CARRIER WITHIN THAT TYPICALLY USES A DAY STYLE CLINICCLINIC THAN AN ACTUAL HOSPITAL. THEY SEEM TO SAVE A RELATIVE AMOUNT OF MONEY DOING THAT, AN ASTRONOMICAL AMOUNT OF MONEY. IS THIS MORE IN LINE WITH WHATWHAT FOLKS DO? THE SECOND THING I'LL ASK, IF I HAVE WHAT I CONSIDER TO BE A SEMISERIOUS NATURE HEALTH HAZARD OR PROBLEM OF MY OWN OR WITHIN MY HOME AT NIGHT, AND I'M BEING HONEST, I DON'T WANT TO GO AND SPEND $4,000 IN THE EMERGENCY ROOM. I HAVE INSURANCE BUT I DON'T WANT TO HAVE TO SPEND A BUNCH OF

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>> FOR THE FIRST PART OF THE QUESTION, FOR THE AMBULATORY SURGERY CENTER, YES, THAT IS A FACILITY WE DO OUTPATIENT ELECTIVE PROCEDURES, IF YOU DO THEM IN A HOSPITAL, YOU DO PAY MORE. THERE'S IN- PATIENT SURGERIES, OUTPATIENT HOSPITAL SURGERIES THAT ARE A LITTLE BIT CHEAPER AND AMBULATORY THAT IS CHEAPER. THESE WOULD BE AMBULATORY SO THEY WOULD BE CHEAPER THAN YOUR IN-PATIENT HOSPITAL PROCEDURES. AS FAR AS THE ED, IT IS AN ED SO THE COST WOULD BE THE SAME ON THAT PART OF IT.

THERE WOULD BE NO SAVINGS ON JUST THE ED.

>> SO THE OTHER QUESTION WOULD BE ON THE HELIPAD, THE LOCATION OF THE HELIPAD IS I LOOK AT YOUR OVERVIEW HERE, YOUR COMP PLAN, OR YOUR PLAN, IS THAT HELIPAD RELATIVELY CLOSE TO THE REGION OF THE DRAINAGE POND OF THE KROEGER BEHIND IT?

>> THE HELIPAD THAT WE'VE GOT SHOWN IN OUR SITE PLAN IS LOCATED JUST WEST OF THE EMERGENCY DEPARTMENT AND AMBULANCE ENTRANCE AND THAT IS THE WEST SIDE IS ADJACENT TO THE DETENTION POND THAT IS BEHIND KROGER. OUR PROPERTY LINE IS THE DIVISION BETWEEN THAT RETENTION POND, TRACK OF LAND, AND THE HOSPITAL, OR, I'M SORRY, THE EMERGENCY CLINIC.

>> OF COURSE THE REASON I'M ASKING THAT IS THE SURROUNDING REGION, THE SAFETY OF WHICH TO BE ABLE TO LAND. IT'S NOT EVEN IN A FUTURE AREA THAT COULD BE A HIGH TRAFFIC AREA OF ANY TYPE, AND THAT'S WHAT I KIND OF THOUGHT.

>> RIGHT.

>> I WOULD ONLY STATE FOR MYSELF, AND THIS IS NOTHING AGAINST WHAT YOU JUST STATED, I THINK WE HAVE THE BEST FIRE DEPARTMENT IN THE STATE.

BUT IF MY MOTHER'S ON YOUR BED AND STARTS HAVING A LIFE- NETTENING SITUATION, I WANT HER HAVING THE FASTEST LIGHT SPEED ABILITY TO GET HER TO WHERE SHE NEEDS TO BE TO SAVE HER LIFE. AIRBORNE AS FAST AS POSSIBLE. I WANT THE VERY BEST TECHNOLOGY TO GET PEOPLE MOVED IF NEED BE. IT SOUNDS LIKE IT IS A LOW-VOLUME PERCENTILE THAT TYPE OF APPLICATION NEEDS TO HAPPEN BUT THAT'S MY THOUGHTS ON THAT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

>> COUNCIL, ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS ON THIS CASE? OF THE APPLICANT OR STAFF?

ALLEN? >> YES, I HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS PARTICULARLY AROUND THE SAFETY SIDE WITH THE HELIPAD. I SAW THE EMAIL IN OUR PACKET THAT CAME FROM, I GUESS, THE FAA REPRESENTATIVE THAT EVALUATED IT. CAN YOU TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE SAFETY PROTOCOLS WHEN CHOOSING THAT LOCATION AND, YOU KNOW, IS THIS THE STANDARD PROCESS IN WHICH IT WENT THROUGH THAT IS TYPICAL FOR FOR FACILITY GOING UP? WAS THIS ANY DIFFERENT? BECAUSE I HAD A COUPLE CALLS FROM THE AVIATION COMMUNITY WITHIN OUR COMMUNITY THAT HAD SOME CONCERNS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, IT WAS STATED TO MEME THE PERCENTAGE OF ACCIDENTS RELATED TO MEDICAL HELICOPTER FLIGHTS TEND TO BE SOME OF THE OTHER, YOU KNOW, AREAS OF AVIATION.

SO CAN YOU SPEAK TO A LITTLE BIT OF THAT PROCESS AND WHAT GOES INTO IDENTIFYING THAT LOCATION IS A SAFE LOCATION AND THAT THE OPPORTUNITY FOR ACCIDENT OR A CRASH, IT'S RIGHT ACROSS -- PARTICULARLY BEING RIGHT ACROSS FROM THE SCHOOL, CAN YOU TALK A LITTLE BIT TO THAT?

>> SURE, THIS IS TOBY ROGERS, OUR CIVIL ENGINEER ON THE PROJECT.

>> YES, I MET WITH THE FAA REPRESENTATIVE THAT SENT THE EMAIL, AND WE MET WITH HIM EARLY TO ASSESS THE BEST LOCATION ON THIS PROPERTY, AND, YOU KNOW, AS IT STATED IN AN EMAIL, HE DID LOOK AT IT AND HIS OPINION IS THAT AREA CLOSE TO THE RETENTION POND THAT WILL NOT BE BUILT OUT WITH MORE BUILDINGS OR ANYTHING OF THAT NATURE, BEING IN CLOSE PROXIMITY OR THE NORTH END

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THERE'S ALSO A GUIDELINE, VERY THICK PACKET THAT WE LOOK AT AND ANALYZE FOR FLIGHT PATTERNS, INCOMING, OUTGOING AND ALL OF THAT ALONG WITH PREVAILING WINDS. WE LOOKED AT IT.

THAT LOCATION EXCEEDED THE GENERAL GUIDELINES WE LOOK FOR AND THAT PROXIMITY WORKED WELL.

WE HAVE LATITUDE TO SHIFT IT SLIGHTLY IF NEEDED.

IT WORKED OUT WELL WITH EVERYTHING ON THE SITE, MORE DETAIL THAN THAT ARE THE LIMITS OF MY KNOWLEDGE ON IT.

>> AND MY OTHER QUESTION WAS THE VARIANCE ON THE SIGN AND CAN YOU PULL UP THE SLIDE THAT SHOWED THE SIGNAGE WITH THE BRICK AT THE BOTTOM, THE MASONRY AT THE BOTTOM? I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THE ADDRESS ON THE BOTTOM OF THE SIGN THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO -- THERE'S NOTHING GOING ININ AT LOCATION, CORRECT?

>> NO. THAT WAS ACTUALLY THE FIRST LOCATION THAT WE LOOKED AT PURCHASING. WE WENT THROUGH RIGHT BEFORE THE PMZ MEETING, WE WERE PLANNING A SITE THERE. YOU ALSO MAY NOTICE THE NAME.

IT SAYS THAT IS JUST PLACE HOLDER --

>> GOT IT.

>> -- INFORMATION AND THIS IS THE STANDARD FOR TEXAS HEALTH FACILITIES THROUGHOUT THE METROPLEX. WHETHER IT BE A HOSPITAL, THIS ED, A STANDALONE, OTHER TYPE FACILITY.

THIS IS SIGNAGE THEY TYPICALLY USE AND IT'S NOT FRAMED WITH THE MASONRY, WHICH IS WHAT THE MIDLOTHIAN CODE ASKED FOR TO BE COMPLETELY FRAMED WITH MASONRY. SO TO KEEP WITH OUR STANDARD SIGNAGE, WE'RE ASKING FOR THAT VARIANCE TO NOT HAVE TO FRAME IT WITH MASONRY.

WE WILL DO THAT IF THAT IS SOMETHING THAT IS A DEAL

BREAKER. >> YEAH, I JUST THINK FROM AN AESTHETIC STANDPOINT AND THE STANDARD WE HOLD ON A LOT OF OTHER DEVELOPMENTS THAT -- I KNOW WE TALK A LOT ABOUT THE PERCENTAGE OF MASONRY, I DIDN'T KNOW IF IT WAS THAT BIG OF A DEAL TO GO AHEAD AND PUT IT ON THERE IF THAT WAS -- THERE'S NO WAY WE CAN DO THIS FOR IF THERE WAS SOME FLEXIBILITY THERE.

>> I HAVE TALKED TO THE TEXAS HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES AND THEY'RE MORE THAN GLAD TO DO THAT. WE JUST THOUGHT WE WOULD PUT IT IN. THIS IS THEIR STANDARD WAY OF DOING THE SIGNAGE. TO ADD THE FRAMING AROUND IT, THAT'S NO PROBLEM. AND, MARY, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, I THINK AT A LATER STAGE IN THE PROCESS WE HAVE TO COME IN FOR SIGN PERMITS AND AT THAT POINT WE COULD ADD THE FRAMING, AND IT'LL BE DETAILED OUT MORE THAN WHAT THE PRELIMINARY SIGNS ARE BEING SHOWN HERE.

>> GOT IT. THANK YOU.

>> IF THAT NEEDS TO BE AN AMENDMENT, WE'RE WELCOME TO DO IT.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> WAYNE?

>> A COUPLE QUESTIONS. ONE IS THE FACILITY ITSELF BEING PROPOSED WOULD BE A -- WOULD HAVE ROOMS FOR ADMISSION.

WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE EMERGENCY OR IS IT ALL GOING TO BE COMING IN HIGHER STANDARD THAN URGENT CARE BUT THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.

>> I'M SUPER FAMILIAR WITH URGENT CARE.

I OPENED 35 OF THEM THE LAST COUPLE YEARS, AND THEY'RE LIKE 3,200 SQUARE FEET.

IT'S JUST THE DOCTOR'S OFFICE. THIS IS AN EMERGENCY DEPARTMENT.

IT HAS A TRAUMA ROOM --

>> THAT'S BASICALLY WHERE THE LINE IS DRAWN.

>> IT DOES NOT HAVE BEDS, AND SO THAT'S A DIFFERENTIATOR.

SOMEBODY CAN'T STAY THERE FOR A COUPLE DAYS.

THEY HAVE TO BE TRANSPORTED OUT.

>> THE HELIPAD ITSELF, IS THERE A CERTAIN REQUIREMENT, THE FACILITY OF A CERTAIN SIZE. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE STATE, IS THERE A REQUIREMENT THAT A HELIPAD HAS TO BE THERE AND THE NATURE OF THIS FACILITY YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT?

>> THE ANSWER IS NO. WE DON'T HAVE TO HAVE A

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IT'S A VERY SMALL PERCENTAGE, BUT IT'S BEST.

>> I KNOW WE'VE GOT HELIPADS AT THE HOSPITAL.

IF SOMETHING HAS TO BE DONE TO A HIGHER DEGREE LIKE COOK'S CHILDREN OR SOME OTHER PLACE, WE REALLY NEED TO HAVE THEM, HAVE TO HAVE THEM IN THAT REGARD. I WAS WONDERING ABOUT THIS TYPE OF FACILITY IN THIS PARTICULAR

AREA. >> I DON'T THINK WE HAVE TO HAVE IT. AGAIN, FOR US, WE FEEL IT'S THE BEST MODE OF CARE. WE TALK ABOUT TIME IS BRAIN.

EVERY MINUTE YOU HAVE A STROKE, THAT'S 2 MILLION BRAIN CELLS THAT DIE. WE DON'T WANT TO HAVE TO TRANSPORT TO METHODIST OR ANOTHER FACILITY DOWNTOWN IF THE LEVEL OF CARE IS NEEDED BECAUSE THERE ARE THINGS DOWNTOWN LIKE NEUROSURGERY AND OPEN HEART SURGERY THAT PEOPLE MIGHT NEED TO BE TRANSPORTED DOWNTOWN OR TO A LARGER FACILITY IN THE COMMUNITY WHICH IS RARE. A LOT SMALLER PERCENTAGE BUT WE WOULDN'T WANT TO BE IN A SITUATION TO GET THAT PERSON TO THEIR LEVEL OF CARE.

>> AS WE'VE ALREADY HEARD FROM OUR FIRE CHIEF THEY WOULD HAVE TO BE TRANSPORTED BY ROAD.

>> CORRECT. AND WE WOULD HOPE FOR TIME SAKE, IF IT WAS NEEDED, AGAIN, SINCE TIME IS BRYNN, TIME IS TISSUE, LIKE YOU SAID, GET THEM THERE THE FASTEST WAY POSSIBLE.

>> YOU MAY HAVE ALREADY ADDRESSED THIS.

ALL OF THIS IS OVER MY HEAD. KIND OF THE LINE OF QUESTIONING MS. HAMMOND WAS GOING A MOMENT AGO, YOU HAVE DONE THE STUDY OR YOU WOULDN'T BE PROPOSING THIS. YOU KNOW WHAT THE NUMBERS ARE SAYING. ARE WE ON ACCOUNT OF THE VERY LOW END OF WHAT THIS WOULD EXPECT OR ARE WE ALREADY AT A POINT TO WHERE THIS IS SO ABSOLUTELY NEEDED BASED UPON THE MEDICAL CARE WE HAVE PROVIDED THROUGH OUR EXCELLENT HOSPITALHOSPITAL WE HAVE IN TOWN AND VARIOUS OTHER THINGS THAT ARE WITHIN 12 MILES, ARE WE IN A RANGE HERE OF THE SIZE OF OUR COMMUNITY AND THE STATISTICS YOU'VE LOOKED AT? ARE WE AT THE LOW END, MEDIUM? OTHERWISE YOU WOULDN'T BE DOING THIS IF THE NUMBERS DIDN'T MAKE SENSE. SO I JUST WONDERED WHERE YOU WERE ON YOUR STUDIES.

>> I THINK WHERE WEWE LOOKING AT THIS MARKET IS THIS LEVEL OF CARE IS THE TYPE OF CARE GROWING THE MOST.

THE ADVANCED HEART PROCEDURES AND THINGS LIKE THAT, THERE'S A VERY SMALL PERCENTAGE OF THOSE THINGS IN THIS MARKET, AND IT'S MORE OF THAT LEVEL OF EMERGENCY CARE THAT DOESN'T REQUIRE INPATIENT ADMISSIONS FOR YOU TO STAY OVERNIGHT. THERE'S MORE OF THAT NEED THAT WE SEE GROWING EACH YEAR VERSUS THE THINGS THAT YOU ACTUALLY NEED TO BE ADMITTED AND THAT'S WHY WE SAID LET'S BUILD THIS AND AS THE COMMUNITY CONTINUES TO GROW AND AS THE THE GROW, WE WOULD RE- ASSESS OBVIOUSLY, TOO, FOR THE AMBULATORY, THAT IS AN ELECTIVE THAT IS A IF BENEFIT THAT IS DIFFERENT THAN A HOSPITAL SETTING THAT IS A LOWER EXPENSE AND ALSO LOWER REIMBURSEMENT FOR HOSPITALS BUT HELPFUL FOR PATIENTS THAT NEED SURGERY.

>> I GUESS PART OF MY STRUGGLESTRUGGLE I'VE HAD IN MY FAMILY TWO SERIOUS EMERGENCY ISSUES THAT HAVE COME UP IN THE LAST FEW MONTHS, AND I HONESTLY BELIEVE THROUGH THE EMERGENCY CARE THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO BE ADMITTED, SO OBVIOUSLY I'M GOING TO HAVE THEM AT A PLACE WHERE I FEEL LIKE THEY CAN, AS MS. HAMMONDS WAS SAYING, THEY GO IN, HAVE THEIR EVALUATION, GET THE DOCTOR TOGETHER AND MOVE THEM UP TO THE FIFTH FLOOR AND THEY'RE GOING TO BE THERE FOR A WHILE.

EVEN, LIKE MY FATHER, HE WAS THERE FOR ALMOST TWO MONTHS.

AND SOME OF THAT IS KIND OF WHERE I'M FLUCTUATING IN TERMS OF THE STATISTICS. ARE WE GOING TO HAVE A BUILDING THAT'S NOT BEING USED VERY MUCH FOR A WHILE BECAUSE THE NUMBERS HAVE TO INCREASE OR ARE WE AT THAT POINT, AND I GUESS THAT'S WHERE I'M STRUGGLING.

>> SO I GET THE ADVANTAGE OF A BIG HOSPITAL SYSTEM AND WE'RE IN 20 COUNTIES NOW, 30,000 EMPLOYEES, 30 HOSPITALS, WE'RE ALL OVER THE PLACE. AND YEAR BY YEAR WE'RE ALWAYS TRYING TO PRIORITIZE WHERE IS THE NEXT FACILITY? WHERE DO WE NEED A FACILITY? AND WE BELIEVE MIDLOTHIAN NEEDS A FACILITY RIGHT NOW. I CAN'T REALLY SPECIFICALLY ANSWER THE QUESTION WHERE IS IT AT ON THE SPECTRUM, BUT I WOULD SAY IT'S HIGH ENOUGH ON THE SPECTRUM WE'RE TARGETING MIDLOTHIAN VERSUS A LOT OF OTHER COMMUNITIES, AND WE THINK THIS

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>> HAVE YOU CLOSED ANY OF THOSE DOWN?

>> NO, SIR.

>> WE HAVE THREE AND ALL THREE ARE THRIVING.

>> OF THE SAME MODEL?

>> YES.

>> CLARK, YOU'RE NEXT.

>> WHERE WERE THOSE THREE LOCATED AT?

>> ONE IN WILLOW PARK, ONE IN BURLESON AND ONE IN PROSPER.

>> I HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF, SO IF COUNCIL WANTS TO KEEP ASKING QUESTIONS, I CAN HOLD OFF.

>> GO FOR IT.

>> JUST HELP ME OUT, THE ORIGINAL WASN'T IN THE PACKET, SO WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A VARIANCE FOR SIGNS, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A VARIANCE OF SIGNS FROM THE ORIGINAL --

>> SIGNED ORDINANCE.

>> OKAY. AND THEN THE ORIGINAL PD WAS COMMERCIAL RETAIL?

>> CORRECT.

>> AND THIS, JUST TO BE CLEAR, CAN GO IN WITH OR WITHOUT THE

HELIPAD? >> THEY CAN DO A MEDICAL CLINIC, YES.

>> ON THAT SITE. SO WE'RE ONLY TALKING ABOUT THE HELIPAD?

>> YES.

>> THOSE ARE THE ONLY ONES I WANTED TO BE CLEAR ON BUT I HAD A QUESTION ON LANDSCAPING BUT I THINK IT'S IN SECTION C. I'M GOOD NOW.

>> ROSS?

>> LET ME RESTATE WHAT CLARK SAID IN A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT WAY.

THIS USE IS ALLOWED BY RIGHT MINUS THE HELIPAD AND WITHOUT ASSIGNED VARIANCE?

>> THAT IS CORRECT.

>> THEY COULD BUILD IT TOMORROW.

>> IF THEY DO VARIANCE, THEY DO HAVE TO GET YOUR PERMISSION.

>> WITH THE ZONING IN PLACE, THE ENTITLEMENT, THE VESTED RIGHTS OF THE PROPERTY, THEY CAN BUILD --

>> MEDICAL OFFICE BUILDINGS -- THEY COULD PUT A DOCK IN THE BOX -- THAT IS CORRECT.

>> THAT'S REALLY -- WE'RE UP TO THE THRESHOLD OF WHAT IT COULD BE CALLED WITHOUT BEING CALLED A HOSPITAL IS WHAT IT SOUNDS LIKE

TO ME. >> THAT'S A GOOD WAY OF DESCRIBING IT.

>> WE'RE TALKING MORE ABOUT HELIPADS PROBABLY THAN ANY OTHER COUNCIL MEETING IN THE HISTORY OF MIDLOTHIAN TONIGHT. THE ONLY THING I'M TRYING TO SCOPE HERE BECAUSE I AGREE WITH THE CONCEPT OF, HEY, SOMEBODY SHOWS UP THERE AND THEY'RE GOING TO DIE IF WE CAN'T FLY THEM IN A SHORT ORDER OF TIME.

THAT OPTION SHOULD BE AVAILABLE. CARE FLIGHT WILL LAND OUT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE STREET. I'VE SEEN THEM DO IT.

YOU DON'T HAVE TO HAVE A HELIPAD FOR THE ONE-OFFS. BUT WHAT IS THE HARM OF HAVING IT? IT'S PAVEMENT, RIGHT? IT'S CONCRETE AND IT HAS SOME BLINKING LIGHTS ON IT. SO THAT'S WHERE I'M JUST SITTING HERE SCRATCHING MY HEAD GOING -- I MEAN, IT'S A USE THAT CAN BE BUILT THERE.

THEY'RE WANTING TO ADD SOMETHING THAT WILL COST THEM A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF MONEY FOR OUTBOUND TRANSPORT OF WHAT THEY'RE SAYING IS A HALF A PERSON, AND HOPEFULLY THEY FIND THE OTHER HALF AT SOME POINT THE NEXT MONTH, BUT, I MEAN, WHAT'S THE PROBLEM? IT'S JUST PAVEMENT THAT YOU CAN LAND A HELICOPTER ON SAFELY WITHOUT HAVING TO PUT IT DOWN IN A PARKING LOT OR A STREET.

SO THAT'S THE PART I WANT TO UNDERSTAND FROM MY OTHER COUNCIL PERSON UP HERE, WHAT'S THE HARM WE'RE SOLVING BY SAYING THEY CAN'T HAVE ONE?

>> THAT'S RHETORICAL, RIGHT?

>> A LEGITIMATE QUESTION.

>> IN MY MIND, WE ARE TALKING JUST A HELIPAD FOR THE SUP BUT IN MY MIND, WHAT I'M TRYING TO DIFFERENTIATE IS THE MODEL THAT COMES WITH THE HELIPAD, AND SO THAT'S WHERE MY QUESTIONS WERE GOING EARLIER. I HAVE ACTUALLY HAD MULTIPLE CITIZENS IN THE COMMUNITY REACH OUT, NOT BEING BIG FANS OF HELICOPTERS COMING IN AND OUT OF THE AREA, BUT THAT'S WHERE MY QUESTIONS WERE GOING, BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE THE HELIPAD EQUALS A DIFFERENT MODEL THAT MAY NOT BE THE BEST FOR OUR CITIZENS.

>> LET ME ASK YOU THE QUESTION THIS WAY, UNDERSTANDING THAT BETTER. WHAT SERVICES CAN YOU NOT PROVIDE IN THE ABSENCE OF A HELIPAD THAT YOU CAN PROVIDE IN THE EXISTENCE?

>> BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT I'M

SAYING. >> THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING.

>> I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE YOU'RE NOT --

>> I'M ASKING MY QUESTION, NOT

YOURS. >> SO THIS IS TO THE TEXAS HEALTH FOLKS. WHAT ARE YOU ALLOWED TO DO WITH THE HELIPAD THAT YOU CAN'T DO WITHOUT ONE?

>> IT DOESN'T CHANGE THE TYPE OF SERVICES THAT WE PROVIDE. IT JUST CHANGES THE EXPEDIENCY TO WHICH WE CAN GET AN

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>> FOLLOW- UP QUESTION, YOU SAID YOU ANTICIPATE AN AVERAGE OF 25 AMBULANCES PER MONTH.

WHERE WOULD THOSE BE COMING FROM, HAVING HEARD FROM CHIEF THAT PROBABLY IS NOT GOING TO BE OUR PRIMARY DESTINATION?

>> IT DOESN'T SOUND LIKE THERE WILL BE 25 PER MONTH.

>> ALL RIGHT. >> I'M GIVING YOU THE AVERAGE OF THE TWO FACILITIES WE CURRENTLY

HAVE. >> IT WILL BE MOSTLY JUST WALK- IN OR EMERGENCY DEPARTMENT TYPE STUFF.

THE ULTIS IS EMERGENCY, IT CAN'T DO THAT IF IT'S NOT AN EMERGENCY DEPARTMENT.

>> YES.

>> IT HAS TO BE CALLED AN URGENT CARE.

IT WOULD BE A COMPARABLE USE ON A DIFFERENT SCALE.

I THINK THEY'RE A SMALLER FACILITY TO WHAT THIS IS GOING TO OFFER.

>> YEAH. A LOT OF URGENT CARES HAVE NURSE PRACTITIONERS THAT ARE IN THERE AND THESE WILL HAVE EMERGENCY ROOM PHYSICIANS, JUST LIKE -- THERE'S A BIG GROUP OF EMERGENCY PHYSICIANS JUST LIKE AT OUR TRAUMA ONE CENTER IN FORT WORTH AND JUST LIKE OUR MIDLOTHIAN CENTER -- OUR HOSPITAL FACILITY, SO THEY ARE MEDICAL EMERGENCY MEDICAL DOCTORS THAT CAN STABILIZE FOLKS THAT SHOW UP THERE, IF THEY'RE REALLY CRITICALLY ILL.

>> ERDOCS HERE, ARE THEY JUST HERE OR DO THEY WORK IN THE MANSFIELD LOCATIONS OR ARE THEY ON ROTATION OR PRIMARY? HOW DOES THAT WORK?

>> WE USE A GROUP CALLED TEAM HEALTH AND THEY WORK IN A LOT OF DIFFERENT PLACES, BUT THEY USUALLY HAVE A MEDICAL DIRECTOR DEDICATED HERE AND PHYSICIANS THAT ROTATE TO POTENTIALLY DIFFERENT PLACES.

>> SO THEY ALSO WORK IN, YOU KNOW, LEVEL- RATED TRAUMA CENTERS POTENTIALLY?

>> YES, DIFFERENT LEVELS.

>> INSIDE OF Y'ALLS NETWORK?

>> AND THEY'RE NOT EMPLOYED BY US.

THEY'RE A THIRD PARTY.

>> YOU DON'T EMPLOY THE DOCTORS? YOU CONTRACT THEM?

>> CORRECT.

>> OKAY.

>> ALL RIGHT. I WANT TO HONE BACK IN ON THE HELIPAD BECAUSE I FEEL THAT'S WHERE THE FOCUS NEEDS TO BE AND WE NEED TO MAKE SOME FINAL COMMENTS AND GET MOVING FORWARD.

UNLESS THERE'S A MOTION.

>> JUST FOR CLARITY SAKE, WE ARE ONLY DEALING WITH THE HELIPAD?

>> AND THE SIGNAGE.

>> AND THE SIGNAGE ISSUES.

>> THEY CAN BUILD IT TOMORROW WITHOUT THE HELIPAD AND THE SIGN.

AND I GUESS THIS HAS TO DO WITH THE HELIPAD, I PROMISE, AND I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THIS MODEL.

SO IF I COME IN THERE AND MY APPENDIX IS ABOUT TO BURST, ARE YOU PERFORMING SURGERY ON MY RIGHT THEN AND THERE OR AM I GETTING ON A HELICOPTER?

>> IF YOU COME IN AND YOURYOUR APPENDIX BURSTS, I MEAN, THAT COULD BE DIFFERENT LEVELS OF -- WHAT THEY WOULD DO IS HAVE -- I'M NOT AN MD.

I CAN THINK OF CASES WHERE, YES, YOU WOULD POTENTIALLY NEED TO BE TRANSFERRED OR YOU COULD BE STABILIZED AND MIGHT NOT NEED IT.

YOU COULD BE TRANSFERRED.

>> YOU'RE NOT ACTUALLY -- ARE YOU ACTIVELY PERFORMING SURGERIES IN THIS CENTER?

>> WE DO NOT HAVE SURGEONS.

>> CRITICAL PATIENT, STABILIZE THEM AND TRANSPORT THEM?

>> CORRECT. YES.

WE HAVE A TRAUMA ROOM WE CAN DO MILD PROCEDURES BUT NOT LIKE ACTIVE OPEN SURGERIES.

>> OKAY. I

FOLLOW NOW. >> CAN YOU SCOPE A MILD PROCEDURE?

>> SCOPE?

>> A MILD PROCEDURE.

>> IF WE ARE, LET'S SAY THAT YOU HAVE FLUID IN YOUR LUNGS AND THEY NEED TO UNBLOCK THE AIRWAY IN YOUR LUNGS, THEY POKE A HOLE IN THERE, SO YOUR LUNGS CAN COME BACK. AND DIFFERENT PROCEDURES OR MEDICATIONS FOR THINGS LIKE IF YOU HAVE KIDNEY STONES WE CAN TREAT THAT, TAKE CARE OF THAT. YOU THINK IT'S AN EMERGENCY, YOU BREAK SOMETHING, WE CAN BRACE IT, TAKE CARE OF IT, TAKE CARE OF WOUNDS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. MILD PROCEDURES, WE DON'T HAVE AN OR WHERE WE TAKE YOU AND OPEN YOU UP AND REMOVE SOMETHING AND THEN STITCH YOU BACK UP.

WE CAN DO STITCHES, THOSE KINDS OF THINGS, STOP YOUR BLEEDING, BUT WE'RE NOT REMOVING THINGS AND TAKING THINGS OUT.

>> ANNA? >> QUICK CLARIFICATIONS, ONE OF MY FIRST QUESTIONS WAS IS THIS EQUAL TO A SURGERY CENTER?

>> AMBULATORY CENTER, THAT'S PART OF THE FUTURE EXPANSION.

>> THAT'S NOT THE CURRENT ONE?

>> CORRECT. >> SO THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE PLAQUE TO PLANNING TO EXPAND?

>> CORRECT.

>> MY PERSPECTIVE IS THIS, IT CAN GO IN BY RIGHT, IT'S JUST A MATTER OF IF WE WANT TO ALLOW THE HELIPAD. THERE'S SOME SIGN VARIANCES BUT I THINK THEY'RE FITTING, MY PERSONAL OPINION.

THE HELIPAD GIVES THEM THE ABILITY TO BETTER CARE FOR OUR CITIZENS, AND FOR WHAT THAT'S WORTH, IF, LIKE MIKE MENTIONED, IF MY MOTHER WAS AT THIS

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I'M READY TO MOVE ON IF Y'ALL ARE.

>> I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY, YOU SAID PETTY --

>> WHAT DID YOU SAY THE SIGN VARIANCES ARE WHAT?

>> I DON'T REMEMBER WHAT I SAID.

BUT NOT PETTY.

>> WELL, THE REASON I'M ASKING FOR CLARITY BECAUSE I THINK --

>> I THINK I SAID FITTING.

>> I WAS JUST MAKING SURE I CLARIFIED. THE REASON I BRING IT UP IS JUST BECAUSE OF THE AMOUNT OF TIMES THAT WE REALLY FOCUS IN ON THAT ON PARTICULAR DEVELOPMENTS, SO I WAS JUST GOING TO BRING CLARITY.

>> SURE.

>> YEAH. SURE.

HIGH- QUALITY SIGNAGE IS NEEDED, RIGHT? IS THERE A MOTION ON THE TABLE FROM THE COUNCIL?

>> I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE AS PRESENTED, RECOMMENDED WITH VARIANCE AND THE HELIPAD.

>> OKAY.

>> I CAN OFFER A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT?

>> IT DEPEND ON WHAT IT IS.

>> CAN WE ADD THE MASONRY AROUND THE MONUMENT SIGN?

>> I THINK THAT WE HAVEN'T NECESSARILY REQUIRED THAT IN EVERY LARGE- SCALE DEVELOPMENT IF YOU LOOK AT THE LOWE'S AND HOME DEPOT PROJECT. I'M FINE WITH THE WAY THE MONUMENT SIGN IS. THE QT AT THE CORNER OF NINTH STREET AND 287 I DON'T BELIEVE HAS MASONRY ALL AROUND THAT EITHER.

I COULD BE WRONG.

>> OKAY. SO THE MOTION STANDS.

IS THERE A SECOND ON ROSS' MOTION?

>> SECOND.

>> I HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILMEMBER WEAVER, SECONDED BY MAYOR PRO TEM WICKLIFFE.

PLEASE VOTE.

ITEM PASSES, 6-1. ARE WE HAVING TECHNOLOGY ISSUES? 6- 1, PASSES. THANK YOU ALL FOR THE DISCUSSION.

WE'RE GOING TO BE DOING OUR FINAL PUBLIC HEARING OF THE EVENING, BUT I WANT TO GIVE A HEADS-UP THE HISTORIC ADVISORY

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BEFORE THAT, 2025-119. CONDUCT THE PUBLIC HEARING AND CONSIDER AN ACT UPON AN ORDINANCE TO THE USE AND DEVELOPMENT OF 167. 3 ACRES IN THE ALLEN REEVES SURVEY, ABSTRACT 1939. CHANGING FROM AGRICULTURE DISTRICT TO PLANNED DEVELOPMENT NUMBER 186 FOR DATA CENTER SUBJECT TO DEVELOPMENT REGULATION, LIGHT INDUSTRIAL DISTRICT USES.

THE PROPERTY IS GENERALLY LOCATED AT THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF GIFCO ROAD AND QUARRY ROAD.

>> WE'RE ALSO ADDING A HELIPAD. SORRY, A LITTLE TOO SOON. IT'S NOT REALLY THE END OF GIFCO ROAD BUT REQUESTING THE APPROVAL OF A DATA CENTER THAT WILL CONSIST OF ULTIMATELY FOUR DATA HALLS, 820,000 SQUARE FOOT EACH AND THAT WILL BE PHASED OUT SUBSEQUENTLY WITH EACH ONE. ALONG WITH EACH DATA HAUL WILL BE FOUR POWER PLANTS, ONE FOR EACH DATA HAUL AND THEN A FUTURE SUBSTATION AS WELL.

THIS IS LOCATED AT THE END OF GIFCO, YOU SEE TO THE NORTHEAST AND THEN HANSON THERE DUE EAST OF THIS SITE.

THIS WAS THE LOCATION OF A REQUEST SEVERAL YEARS AGO FROM ANOTHER DEVELOPER. THIS IS A CORPORATE MODULE AND THE COUNTRY MODULE TO THE WEST OF THIS ADJOINING QUARRY ROAD. THERE IS A THOROUGHFARE PLAN THAT ADDRESSES BOTH QUARRY ROAD, A SIX- LANE DIVIDED ROADWAY WITH A 12- FOOT SIX- LANE DIVIDED ROADWAY WITH A 12- FOOT RIGHT OF WAY. GIFCO ROAD IS ALSO ON THE THOROUGHFARE PLAN, AND THEN ULTIMATELY THERE WILL BE A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT THAT WILL COME BACK TO THE COUNCIL TO LOOK AT THE INTERSECTION OF GIFCO ROAD AND HIGHWAY 67, SOME IMPROVEMENTS ON THAT ONE THERE. THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, LAND USE PLAN IN THIS AREA TALKS ABOUT ATTRACTING AND RETAINING EMPLOYMENT OPPORTUNITIES THAT TAP INTO THE REGION, HUMAN RESOURCES, TALENT AND EXPERIENCE AS WELL AS DIVERSIFYING MIDLOTHIAN'S BASE TO PROVIDE SUSTAINABLE ECONOMIC GROWTH AND EXPAND LOCAL JOB OPPORTUNITY. THESE DATA CENTERS, LIKE I SAID, WILL BE 820,000 SQUARE FOOT EACH. YOU SEE QUARRY ROAD ON THE

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THE REQUESTED HEIGHT FOR THIS, GOING TO BE LIGHT INDUSTRIAL SO WHICH HAS A LOWER HEIGHT STANDARD BUT THE REQUESTED HEIGHT ONON IS 75 FOOT MAXIMUM WITH A 25 -- I BELIEVE IT'S MAXIMUM HEIGHT OF 15 FEET -- I'M SORRY, I THINK THAT'S IT. I'M READING OFF THE OLD NZ, 25 FEET FOR MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT ON THE ROOF AND NOT TO EXCEED THE AMOUNT OF 90 FEET.

SO IT CAN BE 75 AND 15 OR 65 AND 25 BUT THE TOTAL HEIGHT CANNOT BE GREATER THAN 90 FEET. THIS IS THE ELEVATION FOR THESE BUILDINGS. THEY ARE GOING TO BE LARGE BUILDINGS. THE TOP PLACE WHERE YOU SEE THAT NUMBER THREE, THE TOP PANELS WILL BE THE SCREENING FOR THE MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT ON THE ROOF, WHATEVER MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT THEY MAY NEED AND THIS IS THE SECURITY FENCING THEY WILL HAVE AROUND THIS SITE. THE APPLICANTS ARE HERE.

THEY CAN EXPLAIN A LOT BETTER I CAN ANYTHING RELATED TO DATA CENTERS, BUT THIS IS THE CONCEPTUAL SITE PLAN.

PARKING WILL COME TO ABOUT 1,056 SPOTS AND THEN THE ORDINANCE CALLS FOR ONE SPACE FOR 100 SQUARE FEET. EACH PHASE WILL ADHERE TO OUR LANDSCAPE ORDINANCE AND ARCHITECTURAL STRUCTURAL.

THESE ARE SOME OF THE VARYING LAYOUTS THAT COULD HAPPEN WITH THIS SITE. ONCE AGAIN, THEY ALL HAVE A POWER PLANT. THEY'RE ALL APPROXIMATELY 820,000 SQUARE FOOT, BUT THESE SMALL CHANGES WOULD BE ALLOWED TO BE APPROVED THROUGH THE DRC, DEVELOPMENT REVIEW COMMITTEE.

IF THERE ARE SUBSTANTIAL CHANGES, THEY WOULD COME BACK TO PLANNING, ZONING AND COUNCIL. WITH THAT I WILL ANSWER ANY

QUESTIONS. >> THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING.

NO PUBLIC INPUT.

>> SO MOVED.

>> MOTIONED BY COUNCILMAN SHUFFIELD AND SECONDED BY WICKLIFFE.

PLEASE VOTE. THE PUBLIC HEARING CLOSES 7-0.

COUNCIL, QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT.

IF THE APPLICANT IS HERE AND WANTS TO MAKE A PRESENTATION, YOU'RE WELCOME TO OR YOU CAN STAND FOR QUESTIONS. ROSS? NO?

>> GO AHEAD, MIKE.

>> SO POWER PLANTS ARE GAS

TURBINE? >> YES.

>> SO WHAT TYPE OF EMISSIONS OR EXHAUST CAN WE

EXPECT FROM THAT? >> WE HAVEN'T GONE INTO THAT LEVEL OF DESIGN YET, WE'RE LOOKING AT BOTH POWER TRADITIONAL AND GAS.

>> SO WHAT IS TRADITIONAL, HOOKING UP TO THE GRID? SO YOU WANT THE OPTION TO --

>> YES, SIR.

>> ONSITE POWER PLANT?

>> THAT IS CORRECT.

>> IF YOU DO THEY WOULD BE GAS TURBINE OR THEY COULD BE SOME OTHER TYPE OF POWER PLANT? THAT WAS NOT REALLY SCOPED IN ANYTHING I READ, JUST SAID POWER

PLANTS. >> FOR THIS IT'S BEEN IMAGINED TO BE GAS POWER PLANTS, AND I THINK IN ALL OF OUR CONVERSATIONS THEY HAVE BEEN TALKED ABOUT BEING GAS POWER PLANTS. IF THERE ARE SMALL NUCLEAR, THAT'S NOT ADDRESSED IN HERE.

THAT WOULD BE A SUBSTANTIAL CHANGE THAT WOULD COME BACK TO THE COUNCIL.

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>> OKAY. IN READING THE DRAFT, MAYBE CAN YOU CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, DOES IT SPECIFICALLY SAY GAS TURBINE POWER PLANTS? I DIDN'T SEE IT WHEN I ROLLED THROUGH THIS. LET ME SCROLL BACK AND SEE.

I JUST, TO ME, I WANTED THAT TO BE CLARIFIED IF THAT WAS THE IMAGINATION, AND IF WE'RE GOING TO CHANGE FROM THAT, LET'S GO AHEAD AND PUT IT IN THE CODIFIED

ORDINANCE. >> UNDER ADDITIONAL USES IT TALKS ABOUT ACCESSORY EQUIPMENT RELATED TO DATA CENTER MAY USE ELECTRICAL GENERATING PLANTS, STANDBY GENERATORS, HEAT EXCHANGERS, UNIVERSAL POWER SUPPLY UNITS OR ANY OTHER OUTDOOR EQUIPMENT RELATED TO THE FUNCTIONING OF THE DATA CENTER AS A MAIN USE.

>> RIGHT. AND SO I WOULD JUST LIKE TO CHANGE THAT TO GAS TURBINE POWER PLANTS.

>> OKAY. ADD THAT?

>> YES, SIR.

>> ADD THAT IN THERE JUST SO WE HAVE IT CLEAR AND IF WE NEED TO CONTEMPLATE OR IMAGINE SOMETHING DIFFERENT WE CAN DO THAT IN THE FUTURE.

BECAUSE I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THE STANDBY GENERATORS.

THEY WILL BE DIESEL OR GAS, THAT'S WHAT THEY ARE. BUT IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A LARGE SCALE POWER PRODUCTION FACILITY TO FEED A POWER HUNGRY OPERATION, THEN I THINK WE NEED TO MAKE SURE WE KNOW EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE GETTING BEFORE WE GET IT. AND THEN I DID NOTICE THAT WE WERE PROVIDING THAT ADDITIONAL PROVISION FOR MECHANICAL STUFF OR EXHAUST STACKS.

IS IT JUST RELATED TO THE POWER PLANT OR ALSO THE DATA CENTER

FACILITY? >> I'M THE DESIGNER, THE EQUIPMENT ON THE ROOF IS ALL FOR COOLING. IT'S ALL DONE IN PLATFORM FOR AIR COOL CHILLER SOLUTION, SO WE NEED THE AIR UNDERNEATH TO CIRCULATE TO HELP REMOVE THAT

HEAT. >> AS FAR AS EXHAUST IT'S HOT AIR? THOSE ARE MY MAIN QUESTIONS.

>> MIKE?

>> I'M GOING TO ASK THIS. I THINK I KNOW THE ANSWER. IF GIFCO ROAD BELONGS TO THE CITY --

>> YES, SIR.

>> SO HOW MUCH TRUCK TRAFFIC DO WE THINK WILL BEBE WITHIN THIS FACILITY ONCE IT'S INSTALLED?

>> VERY LITTLE. I MEAN, DURING CONSTRUCTION YOU'LL HAVE THE TRUCK TRAFFIC, BUT AFTER IT'S DONE, YOU'LL HAVE DELIVERIES EVERY SO OFTEN, BUT IT WILL NOT BE WEEKLY.

>> OBVIOUSLY I SPEND A LOT OF TIME ON THAT ROAD WITH CATTLE PROPERTIES. THAT ROAD I WOULD SAY BARELY MEETS THE NEED. IT JUST KIND OF STAYS EXISTING TO WHERE THEY'RE NOT FALLING -- AND I THINK THEY PUT A LITTLE MONEY INTO TENDING THAT ROAD.

SO WITH ALL THE NECESSARY TRUCK TRAFFIC AND WHAT NOT TO GET A FACILITY OF THIS CALIBER INSTALLED, WHAT HAVE WE THOUGHT THROUGH AS FAR AS KEEPING THE ROAD UP UNTIL THAT'S DONE AND THE LOW TRAFFIC PROCESS TAKES PLACE?

>> THEY WOULD DO AN ASSESSMENT AT THE BEGINNING, AND WE DID THIS WITH THE SOLAR FARM DOWN SOUTH OFF MILLER ROAD. THEY WOULD DO AN ASSESSMENT AT THE BEGINNING OF THE PROJECT, LOOK AT GIFCO ROAD AND BASICALLY DOING MAYBE A LITTLE FANCIER THAN A VIDEO CAMERA AND VIDEO THE QUALITY OF THE ROAD, THEY WOULD COMMENCE CONSTRUCTION, FINISH CONSTRUCTION, THEN WE'D LOOK AT THE ROAD AGAIN AND SEE WHAT THE DELTA IS.

NOW THAT'S BEEN ON OUR PLAN TO REHAB FOR SEVERAL YEARS, GIFCO ROAD HAS. RIGHT NOW IF THIS GOES THROUGH I WOULD RECOMMEND US NOT DOING THAT UNTIL AFTER THE FACT, AFTER THE CONSTRUCTION STOPS.

>> WHEN YOU SAY IT'S BEEN ON OUR PLAN TO BRING IT UP TO WHAT LEVEL, WHAT WOULD BE THE CONSTRUCTION PROCESS? WOULD THAT BE CONCRETE OR

ASPHALT? >> IT WOULDN'T BE A CONCRETE ROAD. IT WOULD BE A STANDARD REHAB.

>> JUST BRINGING IT UP TO GRADE.

>> YES, SIR, YES. BUT REALIZING THIS CONSTRUCTION IS GOING TO TAKE PLACE OVER SEVERAL PHASES, BECAUSE I THINK THEY'RE GOING TO GET THE FIRST PHASE IN -- LET ME GET IT BACK -- THEY'LL GET THE FIRST PHASE IN, GET THAT UP AND RUNNING, SO IT MIGHT BE 15 MONTHS BEFORE THEY GET THE SECOND PHASE GOING AS WELL.

THAT ROUGH TIME LINE THAT YOU YOU DESCRIBED. I WOULD THINK -- I'M THINKING BETWEEN PHASES WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DO SOME WORK ON THAT

ROAD. >> AND THE ROAD DOES GET A LOT BETTER ONCE YOU GET RIGHT PAST ASH GROVE.

THE SECOND QUESTION MORE AIMED AT STAFF, AND I THINK I KNOW THE ANSWER TO THIS, ALSO.

I'M QUITE FAMILIAR WITH QUARRY ROAD WHICH IS NOTHING MORE THAN KIND OF A GRAVEL TRAIL RIGHT NOW.

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>> THE SOUTH IT WILL HOOK UP WITH AUGER ROAD THAT WILL GO AND TIE INTO BLUE BONNET HILLS, THAT WAS PASSED RECENTLY, YES, SIR.

>> AND THAT'S ALWAYS JUST BAFFLED ME.

SO WHY IN THE WORLD IS IT FOR A SAFETY ASPECT OF ACCESS FOR FIRE AND SAFETY PRETTY MUCH ONLY? I'M WONDERING WHY WE WOULD EVER WANT TO GIVE THE OPPORTUNITY FOR RESIDENTIAL TRAFFIC TO BE GOING INTO THAT REGION WHICH, IN MY VIEW, THEY HAVE NO BUSINESS?

>> THIS IS GOING TO BE -- AFTER THE CONSTRUCTION IS DONE, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A LOT OF EMPLOYEE TRAFFIC HERE.

NOT A LOT, BUT THERE'S GOING TO BE EMPLOYEE TRAFFIC HERE. I THINK HAVING QUARRY ROAD AS AN OPTION JUST GIVES PEOPLE AN OPTION TO GO FROM BLUE BONNET HILLS OR NORTH TO GIFCO TO GET OUT TO 67.

I DON'T KNOW, IF SOMETHING WERE TO HAPPEN ON 67, IT GIVES US OPTIONS TO DISPERSE THE TRAFFIC OUT TO THE MAIN

THOROUGHFARES. >> I GUESS I DISAGREE, BUT THAT'S FINE. I APPRECIATE YOU ANSWERS

QUESTIONS. >> CLARK?

>> YOU'RE NOT THE END USER. YOU'RE JUST BUILDING THE FACILITY OUT TO RENT, IS THAT CORRECT?

>> TO RENT, YOU MEAN THE CUSTOMER? WE'RE THE OWNER AND OPERATOR.

>> YOU'RE NOT GOING TO RENT IT OUT TO A GOOGLE OR FACEBOOK?

>> WE'LL HAVE CUSTOMERS.

>> THIS TYPE OF PRO DETECTIVE IS GOING UP EVERYWHERE RIGHT NOW, AND SO I WAS -- THE ONLY QUESTION I HAVE IS ON THE MAXIMUM HEIGHT, BACK TO THE POWER PLANTS.

IS 90 FEET THE EXPECTED HEIGHT OF THE BUILDINGS OR THE EXPECTED HEIGHT OF THE STACKS FOR THE POWER PLANT?

>> THAT'S THE BUILDING.

>> I COULDN'T REMEMBER HOW TALL THE ONES OUT AT RAIL PORT ARE.

>> THE MECHANICAL, LIKE HE SAID, FOR THE COOLING AND THINGS LIKE THAT OF THE INTERNAL SERVICE.

>> WE NEED INTERIOR HEIGHT, AS YOU CAN IMAGINE, FOR THE INFRASTRUCTURE. AND THEN COUPLED WITH THAT THE COOLING BRINGS US TO USUALLY IN THAT 60 TO 65 RANGE AND THEN, OF COURSE HOW MUCH OFF THE ROOF.

>> SO WHAT IS THE -- I'M SORRY -- I SHOULD HAVE GIVEN YOU A HEAD-S- UP, WHAT IS THE HEIGHT OF GOOGLE?

>> MAYBE 50 FEET. I THINK MALOOF IS 55, 50 TO 55 OR WHAT USED TO BE THE MALOOF BUILDING.

GOOGLE IS SET BACK SO FAR OFF RAILPORT PARKWAY, I DON'T KNOW.

>> I SHOULD HAVE GIVEN YOU A HEADS-UP. THAT'S MY FAULT. I APPRECIATE IT.

>> ROSS?

>> SO CLARK WAS MENTIONING EMPLOYEES.

WHAT DOES A TYPE LIKE THIS PRODUCE IN THE WAY OF JOBS?

>> PROBABLY IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, AND I SAY THAT BECAUSE I'M NOT PART OF THAT STAFF, BUT USUALLY A BUILDING OF THIS SIZE IS AROUND 60.

>> PER BUILDING?

>> DIGITAL.

>> TO CLARIFY ON THE CUSTOMERS VERSUS TENANT SITUATION, YOU WILL OWN AND OPERATE THE EQUIPMENT AND THEN LEASE DIGITAL SPACE TO CUSTOMERS?

>> THAT IS CORRECT.

>> SO YOU WILL ACTUALLY EMPLOY THE FOLKS AND OWN THE EQUIPMENT AND THEN LEASE OUT THE SPACE

INSIDE? >> CORRECT.

>> THANK YOU, SIR.

>> CORRECT.

>> ALLEN?

>> I JUST HAD A QUESTION ON THE PARKING. AND I WAS LOOKING IN HERE BUT I THOUGHT I SAW A SLOT EARLIER THERE'S OVER 1,000 PARKING SPACES, IS THAT CORRECT?

>> YES, SIR.

>> THIS MAY SOUND LIKE A DUMB QUESTION, BUT WHY DO WE REQUIRE 1,000 PARKING SPACES ON A DATA CENTER? DON'T THEY HAVE VERY FEW PEOPLE IN OR OUT?

>> YEAH, AND THAT'S A VERY GOOD POINT, BUT I THINK IT'LL BE SHIFT WORK, SO YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE --

>> OVERLAP?

>> YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE AN OVERLAP. THERE ARE TIMES, AND I THINK IN SPEAKING WITH THE APPLICANTS EARLIER, THERE ARE TIMES WHEN YOU'LL HAVE PEOPLE COMING IN THAT ARE RETROFITTING WHATEVER IS RETROFITTED IN THERE, JUST SOME CHANGEOUT OF THE EQUIPMENT AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

SO I THINK IT'S BENEFICIAL TO HAVE THAT IN THE LONG RUN, JUST SO YOU'RE ABLE TO ABSORB THOSE TIMES YOU HAVE A LOT OF JUST TRAFFIC ON THE SITE.

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>> GOTCHA, THANK YOU.

>> I'M STRUGGLING A LITTLE BIT WITH THE BUILDING HEIGHT.

DO WE HAVE ANYTHING IN OUR COMMUNITY THAT'S 90 FOOT OTHER THAN THE HOSPITAL?

>> ASHGROVE ACROSS THE STREET IS PROBABLY 120 FOOT.

>> QT IS PROBABLY CLOSE.

>> THETHE PLANT AND PROBABLY MARTIN MARIETTA, THOSE FACILITIES.

>> CLARK?

>> I'M JUST GOING TO ECHO THE MAYOR.

I DO HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THE HEIGHT.

BACK WHEN WE -- ON THE OTHER PROJECTS THEY'RE ALL LOCATED IN OUR MORE INDUSTRIAL AREA, MANUFACTURING AREA, AND WHEN WE DID THE ROSS PEROT PROJECT, HILLWOOD WE CAPPED THEM AT 55 FEET.

I THINK THAT WAS A SMART MOVE BECAUSE THE TREES GREW TO 30 TO 40 FEET AND COVERED MOST OF THE BUILDINGS. THIS SITE HAS COME UP A COUPLE TIMES. IT'S INTERESTING BECAUSE WE'RE HITTING THIS AREA WHERE WE HAVE TO FIGURE OUT IF WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE TO GROW OUR RESIDENTIAL BACK TOWARDS THIS CEMENT PLANT OR HOW DO WE PHASE IN THE EXISTING RESIDENTIAL TO AN INDUSTRIAL BASE, AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE CORRECT ANSWER IS.

I DO KNOW IT'S THE SAME SENTIMENT I HAD LAST TIME WHICH IS MIDLOTHIAN HAS A BEAUTIFUL LANDSCAPE, AND I DON'T WANT TO PUT BIG STACKS EVERYWHERE. AND SO FOR ME PERSONALLY, I'M GOING TO JUST HOLD IT TO THE SAME THING, IF CAN CAN'T BE UNDER 55 FEET THEN THAT'S A PROBLEM.

>> BEING VERY FAMILIAR WITH THAT AREA, THE PROPERTY I LEASED FOR YEARS ENDS AT THAT ROCK QUARRY THIS ABUTTS.

KEEP IN MIND THAT PROPERTY IS AT THE POINT OF WHERE -- THAT PROPERTY THAT I WOULD CALL, SAY, DOWN IN THE HOLE, IS EVERY BIT OF 40 TO 50 FEET BELOW THE RIDGE JUST ABOVE IT.

SO IT'S LITERALLY SITTING IN A

HOLE. >> THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY?

>> FROM 67 BUT NOT 287. 287 YOU CAN SEE EVERYTHING, YOU CAN SEE THE WATER PLANT. YOU CAN SEE ASHGROVE. YOU CAN SEE THE TRAIN TURN AROUND.

>> AS ODDLY AS IT WOULD SOUND WITH IT BEING A NEW BUILDING, AND I WANT TO CAREFULLY CHOOSE MY WORDS, FROM 287 YOU'RE ALREADY GOING TO BE LOOKING AT ASHGROVE AND DUE TO THE NEWNESS OF THE CONSTRUCTION MIGHT SOMEWHAT CLEANUP THE HORIZON WITH A NEW FACILITY. JUST MY THOUGHTS.

>> I AM WITH WESTWOOD ON THE ENGINEERING SIDE WITH THE APPLICANT, AND JUST TO ECHO WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT FROM A TOPOGRAPHY STANDPOINT, THE HILL IS ON THE QUARRY ROAD SIDE, SO WHEN WE DO THE GRADING AND DESIGN THE SITE, THIS IS GOING TO HAVE TO PUSH DOWN SIGNIFICANTLY JUST TO MAKE EVERYTHING FUNCTION CORRECTLY SO I THINK THAT WILL HELP FROM VISUAL SCREENING FROM THE WESTERN SIDE.

>> WAYNE?

>> I JUST HAD A QUESTION GOING BACK TO EMPLOYMENT, YOU SAID ABOUT 60 PER BUILDING. I'M ASSUMING EACH BUILDING IS PHASE ONE, TWO, THREE, FOUR?

>> YOU CAN LOOK AT IT THAT WAY, SURE.

>> I WOULD ASSUME IN THE CONSTRUCTION PART OF IT THERE COULD BE 1,000, 1,500 AS FAR AS ELECTRICIANS --

>> TRADESMEN, YES, SIR.

>> -- FOR A PERIOD OF TIME. ABOUT HOW LONG OF A PERIOD OF TIME PER PHASE AND THEN YOU HAVE SOME IDEA CAN HAVE HOW QUICKLY PHASES WOULD COME IN AFTERWARDS.

>> SO ABOUT A YEAR TO A YEAR AND A HALF FOR THAT GLUT OF TRADESMEN TO BE DEPLOYED, HOW FAST WE DEPLOY BUILDINGS B, C, AND D --

>> LIKE THE LEASING OUT AND WHAT THE BUSINESS CALLS FOR?

>> THAT'S CORRECT.

>> OBVIOUSLY DURING A TIME YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE 1,000, 1,500, YOU HAVE ELECTRICIANS, BUILDERS, EVERYTHING GOING ON, THAT YEAR TO A YEAR AND A HALF, A LOT OF ISSUES PEOPLE WILL BE EATING LUNCH AND GOING TO BE STAYING AROUND WHETHER THEY MOVE HERE OR NOT.

I JUST WANTED TO POINT THAT OUT.

>> VERY TRUE.

>> ONCE IT'S DONE THERE WILL BE ABOUT 50 TO 60 IN EACH BUILDING AS FAR AS FULL- TIME EMPLOYEES.

>> AGAIN, THAT'S FULL- TIME DIGITAL REALTY EMPLOYEES.

CUSTOMERS I CAN'T GIVE YOU A NUMBER.

>> I'M IN AGREEMENT ABOUT THE ECONOMIC IMPACT.

I'M IN AGREEMENT I THINK THIS IS THE RIGHT FIT FOR THIS PIECE. I JUST REMEMBER THE PREVIOUS

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OBVIOUSLY THIS IS A DIFFERENT COUNCIL THAT MAY HAVE A DIFFERENT OPINION.

I FEEL THE NEED PERSONALLY TO STAY TRUE TO WHAT I TOLD APPLICANTS, AND THAT WAS TO HOLD TIGHT TO A SHORTER BUILDING.

I WON'T DEFINE A NUMBER, BUT JUST FEEL LIKE 90, IN MY OPINION, IS EXCESSIVE IN THIS AREA.

AND I DO AGREE WITH WHAT COUNCILMAN WICKLIFFE SAID, YOU WILL SEE THIS AND IT WILL BE PROMINENT FROM HIGHWAY 287.

BECAUSE WE'RE SEEING IT NOW. WE'RE SEEING OUR LANDSCAPE CHANGE. IT'S CHANGING. FOR BETTER, FOR WORSE, IT'S CHANGING. I BELIEVE THIS WILL BE PROMINENT FROM OUR CENTRAL PART OF OUR DOWNTOWN. MAYBE NOT SO MUCH HEADING SOUTH ON 67 BUT DEFINITELY FROM 287

MIX MASTER AREA. >> FURTHER DISCUSSION? OKAY. ENTERTAIN A MOTION?

>> I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVEAPPROVE PRESENTED WITH A MAXIMUM HEIGHT OF 55 FEET.

>> WITH AN AMENDMENT OF 55 FEET.

>> MAXIMUM -- THEY CAN'T DO ANYTHING LESS THAN 75 IS WHAT THEY'RE SAYING. SO WHEREVER THAT MAY LIE.

>> MAY I ASK A QUICK QUESTION? JUST SO I CAN REFRESH MY MEMORY BECAUSE I HAVE HEARD SOME CASES WHERE THE OTHER CASES WE WERE CONCERNED ABOUT HEIGHT, THIS SAME PROPERTY?

>> IT WAS HEIGHT AND ROADWAY.

>> OKAY, THANK YOU.

>> I WILL AMEND THE MOTION TO THE 75 FEET MAXIMUM HEIGHT.

>> SECOND.

>> THE MOTION TO APPROVE, AMEND,ING TO 75 FEET BY MAYOR PRO TEM WICKLIFFE, SECONDED BY COUNCILWOMAN HAMMONDS. PLEASE VOTE.

THE ITEM PASSES 6-1. WE'RE HAVING TECHNOLOGY ISSUES TONIGHT. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU.

[2025-123]

>> THANK YOU, CLYDE. CLYDE, STAY CLOSE. I THINK YOU'RE PRESENTING THE NEXT ONE. WE'RE GOING TO SKIP DOWN THE REGULAR AGENDA TO 2025- 123 TO REVIEW AND DISCUSS THE FUTURE USE OF THE FIRE ADMINISTRATION BUILDING AND DIRECT STAFF AS NECESSARY.

MELISSA, WELCOME. MELISSA IS THE CHAIR OF OUR --

>> HISTORIC ADVISORY BOARD.

>> IT'S BEEN A LONG DAY. THANK YOU, MELISSA.

>> YES. YOU, COUNCIL, HAVE TASKED US WITH EXPLORING AND MAKING AN EFFORT TO CREATE A MUSEUM FOR THE CITY. WE HAVE BEEN WORKING ON THAT FOR MONTHS NOW. AND WE HAVE BEEN IN DIALOGUE WITH THE CHAMBER, AND WE ARE AWARE THAT THE FIRE HALL WILL BECOME AVAILABLE WITHIN THE NEAR FUTURE. AND SO WE COVET THAT BUILDING FOR OUR MUSEUM, AND THAT'S REALLY WE'RE HERE JUST TO TONIGHT SAY WE'RE HERE AND WE STILL WANT THE BUILDING. WE HAVE A VERY GENERAL CONSENSUS WITH THE CHAMBER THAT THEY ARE -- AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, PLEASE -- THAT THEY ARE WILLING TO OCCUPY THE UPPER FLOOR OF THE OLD FIRE HALL AND A PORTION, A SPACE, ON THE GROUND FLOOR FOR A WELCOME CENTER FOR THE CITY.

SO WE FEEL LIKE WE HAVE A GOOD WORKING RELATIONSHIP WITH THE CHAMBER ON THAT. WE HAVE ALSO -- WE HAVE A FLOOR PLAN. WE HAVE HAD A FLOOR PLAN MADE OF THE BUILDING. THERE WASN'T ONE AND SO NOWNOW WE IT, AND WE ARE WORKING ALSO ON -- WE HAVE A VERY ROUGH DRAFT OF THE SCOPE OF WORK WORK OUTLINING THE CONCEPT DEVELOPMENT FOR THE MUSEUM AND THE DESIGN AND THE CONTENT, SO WE'RE GOING THERE, AND WE'RE GETTING THERE.

WE HAVE BEEN IN DISCUSSIONS WITH VERY WELL QUALIFIED

[02:20:01]

SHE'S EVEN COME DOWN AND TOURED THE BUILDING WITH ME.

SO SHE HAS IN HER MIND'S EYE, SHE HAS SEEN THE BUILDING, SO WE -- SHE HAS HELPED US WITH THE INITIAL STAGES OF WHAT WE ARE GOING TO NEED TO DO.

WE ALSO HAVE HAD AN OUTREACH FROM 4B WHICH WE WERE VERY PLEASED WITH REGARD TO FUNDING FOR THE MUSEUM.

WE ALSO ARE CERTAINLY LOOKING AT ANY OTHER AREAS OF FUNDING WE MAY HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO GET, BUT IT'S -- WE'RE EXCITED ABOUT THE PROSPECT OF THE MUSEUM, AND ONE THING THAT I WANT TO STRESS IS THAT WE WANT THIS -- WE WANT TO TELL OUR TOWN STORY, BUT WE WANT TO DO IT IN THE MODERN WAY THAT CAN ENGAGE THE YOUNGER -- A BIG PART OF WHAT WE WANT TO DO HAS TO DO WITH EDUCATION AND OUR STUDENTS AND WE WANT TO DO IT IN A WAY THAT WILL GET THEIR ATTENTION AND THEY WILL ENJOY NOT JUST SOME, YOU KNOW, BORING JUST PICTURES.

WE WANT TO DO IT IN A MODERN WAY WITH TECHNOLOGY, AND WE FEEL LIKE WE'RE ON THE ROAD TO DO

THAT. >> FANTASTIC.

>> THAT IS BASICALLY I JUST WANTED TO SAY WE'RE STILL HERE. WE'RE STILL INTERESTED AND WE REALLY COVET THE BUILDING.

>> HOLD TIGHT. TAMMY, DID ANYBODY SIGN UP TO SPEAK? MIKE, DO YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS BEING THE LIAISON?

>> I WOULD LIKE TO THANK YOU ALL, EACH OF YOU ALL AND INVOLVE JAMIE, JIMMY, MELISSA, OTHERS THAT I'M NOT MENTIONING ON THE BOARD.

THEY'VE ALL WORKED VERY, VERY HARD, LOTS OF HOURS.

MELISSA HAS CALLED ME A NUMBER OF TIMES ASKING MY THOUGHTS AND INVITED ME TO SO MANY FUNCTIONS NOT ONLY THEY'VE ATTENDED BUT WHEN THEY HAD FOLKS COME INTO TOWN TO LOOK.

THEY HAVE NOT TAKEN THIS TASK LIGHTLY, I CAN TELL YOU THAT.

AND THEY'RE DEFINITELY DOING THEIR VERY BEST TO MAKE SURE THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WILL BE ENJOYED AND ATTRIBUTES TO OUR GREAT CITY.

>> THAT WE'LL BE PROUD OF.

>> AND, ALSO, TO THE CHAMBER, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR BEING FLEXIBLE AND WILLING TO WORK WITHIN CERTAIN CONFINEMENTS AND ALSO AT THE SAME TIME BEING A POSITIVE CONTRIBUTOR, SO THANK YOU TO ALL.

YOU MAKE US LOOK GOOD. THANK YOU SO MUCH.

>> ANY QUESTIONS FROM COUNCIL? NO? AND THERE'S NO ACTION TO BE TAKEN.

THANK YOU FOR THE UPDATE. APPRECIATE IT.

[2025-120]

ITEM 2025-120. CONSIDER AND ACT UPON ESTABLISHING RENTAL RATES AND POLICY FOR PUBLIC USAGE OF THE MULTIPURPOSE ROOM IN THE MIDLOTHIAN PUBLIC LIBRARY.

ALEXIS?

>> GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL. WE HAVE BEEN WORKING ON THIS POLICY FOR A FEW MONTHS NOW TO DETERMINE BASICALLY THE POLICY AND RATES FOR THE MULTIPURPOSE ROOM LOCATED ON THE SECOND FLOOR OF THE LIBRARY. THE BIGGEST CONVERSATION WITH THIS, OF COURSE, HAS BEEN REVOLVING AROUND RATES AND WHAT WE WANT TO CHARGE FOR THE ROOM.

WE'VE BEEN WORKING VERY CLOSELY WITH CITY STAFF AND FINANCE TO COME UP WITH THE RATES PROPOSED TO YOU TODAY. AND MAKING SURE THEY'RE CONSISTENT WITH CITY POLICIES AND PRACTICES.

THE FINAL ITERATION THAT YOU SEE IN FRONT OF YOU TONIGHT, THE LIBRARY ADVISORY BOARD DID RECOMMEND FOR APPROVAL 6- 0 THE MARCH 20TH BOARD MEETING. OTHER THAN THAT, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER.

>> COUNCIL -- I'M SORRY, TAMMY, DID ANYBODY SIGN UP TO SPEAK? ANY QUESTIONS ON THIS CASE? JUST AS A REMIND THEY ARE IS THE UPSTAIRS BACK CORNER ROOM.

>> MEETING AND CONFERENCE SPACE BASICALLY.

>> I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. I'M READY TO MAKE A MOTION IF YOU'RE READY.

>> I'LL TAKE A MOTION. >> I MOVE WE APPROVE, OTHERWISE I'LL GET IN TROUBLE.

>> MOTION TO APPROVE BY COUNCILMAN SHUFFIELD.

IS THERE A SECOND?

>> SECONDED.

>> SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN RODGERS. PLEASE VOTE. THANK YOU, ALEXIS.

ITEM PASSES 5-2. ALL RIGHT.

[2025-121]

[02:25:05]

MIKE?

>> GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL. WE RECEIVED A REQUEST TO VEHICLES PARKING IN THE S TO PICK UP STUDENTS IN THIS AREA WITH ONE WE HAD EXPANDED WITH THE BRIDGE STRUCTURE÷÷STRUCTURE THAT ALLOWS FOR CARS TO PARK AND THE ISSUE THE POLICE DEPARTMENT HAS SEEN CARS ARE PARKING WHERE IT'S HARD TO GET AROUND AND VEHICLES ARE NOW HAVING TO -- VEHICLES HAVING TO GET INTO OPPOSING TRAFFIC IN THE LANE TO GET THROUGH THE AREA, AGAIN, DURING THOSE PEAK TIMES.

THIS WOULD, IF COUNCIL WAS TO APPROVE THIS, THIS WILL RESTRICT PARKING WITHIN THE AREA SHOW THERE ON THE PLAN.

AGAIN, THAT'S THE AREA WHERE THE PAVEMENT HAS BEEN WIDENED OUT. IF THIS DOES GET APPROVED BY COUNCIL, THE INTENT IS TO PUT SIGNS UP PRIOR TO THE START OF THE NEW SCHOOLSCHOOL YEAR, FINISH OUT THIS YEAR, UNLESS COUNCIL WANTS TO DO IS SOONER, WE CAN DO IT PRIOR TO THE START OF THE NEW SCHOOL YEAR AND HAVE IT READY TO

GO BEFORE SCHOOL STARTS. >> TAMMY, DID ANYBODY SIGN UP TO SPEAK? IF YOU'RE AWARE, IF YOU DON'T DRIVE OVER THERE REGULARLY OR DROP KIDS OFF OR PICK UP, THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT PARK THERE AND THEN SORT OF AS A STAGING POINT FOR THEIR KIDS TO WALK TO THEM TO AVOID THE LONG TRAFFIC LINES CREATING WHAT I BELIEVE TO BE A SAFETY CONCERN FOR KIDS CROSSING THOSE STREETS, ET CETERA.

ROSS?

>> SO IS THIS ANYTIME?

>> THE WAY WE HAVE IT WRITTEN WOULD BE ANYTIME.

>> CAN YOU LAND A HELICOPTER THERE? TOO SOON?

>> TOO SOON.

>> THIS IS ESSENTIALLY EXTRA PAVEMENT IN ANTICIPATION OF THE PROJECT IN THE FUTURE.

>> THAT IS CORRECT.

>> AND SO EVEN THOUGH IT'S STRIPED, IS IT SIGNED FOR NO

PARKING? >> NO, THAT'S WHY WE'RE COMING THROUGH NOW.

>> THIS WILL ALLOW US TO PUT THE SIGNS UP AND ENFORCE

THAT? >> CORRECT.

>> NO FURTHER COMMENTS?

>> JUST FOR CLARITY, WHAT IS THE PURPOSE OF THE STRIPED AREA IF NOT TO PARK THERE, BECAUSE I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH THIS? I'VE DRIVEN DOWN THERE BUT NOT TO THE EXTEND THAT I PAID ATTENTION.

>> YES, SIR. WHEN WE DID THE LEDGESTONE PROJECT WE PUT THE FULL BRIDGE STRUCTURE IN PLACE AND BUILT PAVEMENT OVER SO THE INTEND WAS FOR IT TO GET EXPANDED SO THE PAVEMENT WAS WIDENED IN THAT ONE

AREA. >> GOT IT.

THANK YOU.

>> THE MOTION TO APPROVE AS PRESENTED RECOMMENDED BY STAFF.

>> SECOND.

>> MOTION TO APPROVE BY COUNCILMAN WEAVER AND SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN RODGERS. PLEASE VOTE. ITEM PASSES, 7-0.

[2025-122]

MIKE. >> THANK YOU, COUNCIL.

2025-122 CONSIDER AND ACT UPON AN AGREEMENT FOR PROFESSIONAL SERVICES WITH CHILDRESS RENG NEARS NEARS ENGINEERING AND OTHER RELATED PROFESSIONAL SERVICES ASSOCIATED WITH THE RELOCATION OF A SEGMENT OF EXISTING CITY WATER LINES IN THE AMOUNT OF $352,750 PLUS $5,000 FOR AN ADDITIONAL SERVICES FOR A TOTAL OF $57,750.

>> AS PART OF WHAT WE'LL CALL THE TOM THUMB DEVELOPMENT, THERE'S IMPROVEMENTS THAT ARE HAPPENING ALONG 1387 THAT ARE GOING TO IMPACT OUR EXISTING WATER LINES. THEY'LL BE UNDER PARTS OF PAVING THAT TXDOT DOES NOT ALLOW.

IT'S TO RELOCATE THEM THE NEW EASEMENT FOR 1387, AND WHAT WE HAVE NOW IS A 12 AND 16 INCH, COMBINE THOSE INTO ONE LINE, A 20, WHICH WE HAVE TO THE WEST.

WE DID THAT PREVIOUSLY WITH THE HIGH SCHOOL PROJECT.

WE WILL EXTEND THE 20- INCH LINE AND THEN HAVE IT STUBBED OUT AND IN THE FUTURE WE'LL HAVE TO CONTINUE THAT RELOCATION WORK ALONG 1387 AS PART OF THE IMPROVEMENTS FOR 1387 THROUGH TXDOT. WE ARE CURRENTLY WORKING ON THE ALIGNMENT OF THE RELOCATION OF THESE UTILITIES BUT WE DO NOT HAVE A DESIGN AT THIS POINT IN TIME. AS PART OF THIS AGREEMENT OR AS PART OF THIS AGREEMENT THAT WE HAVE WITH CHILDRESS WE ARE LOOKING AT THE DEVELOPER HAS AGREED TO CONTRIBUTE UP TO 40% OF THE COST AS WELL TO GET THIS LINE RELOCATED, THE CITY PAYING 60. IF WE DID THIS IN THE FUTURE, IT WOULD BE CITY COST WITH HAVING TO DO IT SOONER.

THE DEVELOPER IS WILLING TO PARTICIPATE UP TO 60%.

[02:30:03]

>> ALLEN?

>> MY QUESTION WAS, AND YOU ANSWERED A LITTLE BIT OF IT, BUT WHAT I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND IS WHEN WE HAVE SOMETHING LIKE THIS HAPPEN, WHAT IS THE REASON OR PURPOSE BEHIND THE DEVELOPMENT THAT'S COMING IN THAT'S DISRUPTING THAT NOT FULLY FUNDING THE CHANGES OF THAT

INFRASTRUCTURE? >> RIGHT.

SO ON THIS PARTICULAR ONE, THEY COULD DO IT.

THEY WOULD RELOCATE TO GET IT OUTSIDE OF WHAT TXDOT'S AREA IS SO A 16 AND A 12 THAT'S THERE NOW AND, AGAIN, PART OF THIS WAS THIS IS JUST BEING EXPEDITED BECAUSE OF THIS DEVELOPMENT, BUT WE ALREADY PLANNED TO RELOCATE OUR UTILITIES BASED ON THE TXDOT PROJECT. WE WILL HAVE TO RELOCATE FROM MIDLOTHIAN OUT TO LONG BRANCH.

>> REGARDLESS IN THIS PARTICULAR AREA IF THAT DEVELOPMENT HAD NOT COME AT THAT TIME WE WOULD INCUR THESE COSTS JUST AT A LATER POINT AND SO THE WIN FOREIGN THE CITY IS A PORTION OF THAT MAY MAY BE SUBSIDIZED BECAUSE OF THE EXPEDIENT DEVELOPMENT THAT'S TAKING PLACE?

>> CORRECT. WITH THE DEVELOPER PAYING 40%.

IT WOULD HAVE BEEN 100% AND NOW THE DEVELOPER HAS AGREED TO FUND 40% OF THAT COST.

>> GOT IT, THANK YOU.

>> ROSS?

>> 40% OF THE ENGINEERING OR OF THE ACTUAL CONSTRUCTION?

>> WE LOOKED AT DOING ENGINEERING.

THE PROPOSAL IS CITY WOULD COVER ENGINEERING ON OUR SIDE AND THE CONSTRUCTION COST WOULD BE THE 60/40.

>> YOU SAY WE'RE UPSIZING THE

LINE? >> THE 16 WAS THE OLD ROCKET LINE WE TOOK OVER. WE'RE COMING IN WITH A SINGLE 20- INCH LINE.

>> WILL THAT INCREASE THE OVERALL CAPACITY?

>> IT WILL.

>> AND THIS WILL ENSURE THAT WE HOPEFULLY DO NOT HAVE TO MOVE THIS AGAIN, OR ARE WE PUTTING THIS INTO AN ACTUAL EASEMENT?

>> THE DEVELOPER GRANTED US AN EASEMENT.

WE'RE ACTUALLY GOING IN AN EASEMENT THAT'S OUTSIDE OF FUTURE RIGHT OF WAY THAT TXDOT WILL HAVE TO ACQUIRE FROM THE DEVELOPER.

WE ARE TRYING TO BE OUTSIDE. WE DO HAVE LINES ON THE WEST SIDE THAT WILL HAVE TO GET RELOCATED IN EASEMENTS SO TXDOT WILL REIMBURSEMENT. THEY'RE GETTING MORE RIGHT OF WAY THAN WE HAD RESERVED, AND SO ON THAT OLDER STUFF WE DEFINITELY WILL HAVE TO RELOCATE. THIS ONE WE WANT TO BE IN EASEMENT, BE ONE AND DONE ON THIS PARTICULAR SEGMENT.

>> THE PRIVATE DEVELOPER WILL COMPLETE THE PROJECT AND WE WILL REIMBURSE AFTERWARDS?

>> AS THE PROJECT IS HAPPENING, 750 FEET, SO IT'S NOT A REAL LONG PROJECT. THE DEVELOPER WOULD DO IT AS PART OF HIS DEVELOPMENT AND WE WOULD REIMBURSE THE COSTS.

WE WOULD SEE THE COSTS AHEAD OF TIME.

>> AND IT WOULD STILL BE

INSPECTED THE SAME WAY? >> YES, SIR.

>> GOOD. ANYTIME WE CAN DO THAT IN PARTNERSHIP WITH PRIVATE DEVELOPMENT, THEY CAN USUALLY DO IT CHEAPER THAN WE CAN WITH OUR REGULATIONS ON HOW WE HAVE TO BID THEM OUT. I THINK THAT'S AN OVERALL SAVINGS NOT TO MENTION THE DEVELOPER CONTRIBUTIONS.

>> WE'RE TRYING TO MEET THEIR SCHEDULE SO THEY'LL CONTROL THE SCHEDULE AS WELL, SO THAT'S ANOTHER THING. THEY'RE CONTROLLING THE SCHEDULE TO MAKE SURE THE LINE IS DONE AND RELOCATED IN TIME TO MEET THEIR REQUIREMENTS.

>> PERFECT.

>> ANY OTHER COMMENTS? TAKE A MOTION?

>> MOTION TO APPROVE AS

PRESENTED. >> SECOND.

>> MOTION TO APPROVE AS PRESENTED FROM COUNCILMAN MOORMAN AND SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN WEAVER. PLEASE VOTE.

[2025-124]

>> THANK YOU, COUNCIL.

>> THANK YOU, MIKE. MOVING ON TO 2025- 12 CONSIDER AND ACT UPON THE CREATION OF A MUNICIPAL UTILITY DISTRICT SUBCOMMITTEE AND APPOINTMENT OF MEMBERS. COUNCIL, THIS IS AN EFFORT ON MY PART TO BE FOR US AS A UNIT TO BE PROACTIVE ON ALL THINGS MUD RELATED. I'M LOOKING TO PUT TOGETHER A SUBCOMMITTEE TO BE PRO- ACTIVE ON ISSUES REGARDING MUD, WASTE WATER, INFRASTRUCTURE, ET CETERA. THIS GROUP WOULD BE TASKED WITH TAKING A PROACTIVE ROLE AND THE IMPACT THEY MIGHT HAVE ON US WITH THOSE REGARDING USING THE MUD FUNDING TOOL. AND THEN THEY WOULD MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS ONGOING AS NEEDED TO THIS COUNCIL FOR ANY MUD- RELATED ISSUES THAT MIGHT IMPACT US AS WELL AS AND PROBABLY, MOST IMPORTANTLY, TASKING THEM WITH BEING ACTIVE AND ADVOCATING WITH STATE LEGISLATURE ON OUR BEHALF AS REPRESENTATIVES OF THIS BODY. I'M GOING TO MAKE THE RECOMMENDATION TO ASSIGN MIKE, ROSS AND WAYNE TO THIS GROUP, AND THEN THEY WILL JUST REPORT BACK TO US AS NEEDED, WHEN NEEDED.

LOOKING FOR APPROVAL ON CREATING THAT SUBCOMMITTEE OR HAPPY TO ENTERTAIN DISCUSSION ABOUTABOUT IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.

[02:35:03]

DO WE HAVE A SECOND?

>> SECOND.

>> SECOND FROM MAYOR PRO TEM WICKLIFFE.

PLEASE VOTE. ITEM PASSES, 7-0.

[2025-125]

>> AS YOU KNOW LAST FRIDAY WE WENT OVER THIS IN OUR WORKSHIP SO NOTHING HAS CHANGED SINCE THEN, SO, REALLY, WE'LL STAND TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT THERE MAY BE.

JUST AS A RECAP, WE HAVE THE DIFFERENT FUNDS, THE GENERAL FUND, THE UTILITY FUND, OR THE PRIMARY ONES AND THEN WE WALKED THROUGH THERE ARE SOME CHANGES IN THE FORMAT OF THE WAY WE DID IT THIS YEAR WHERE WE CALLED OUT THE RECOMMENDED TAX NOTES AND THEN WE ALSO SHOWED WHAT WE WERE LOOKING TO PUSH OUT FROM YEAR ONE OUT INTO THE SUBSEQUENTSUBSEQUENT OF THE PLAN. I'LL JUST REITERATE FOR THE PUBLIC THAT, YOU KNOW, THIS IS JUST A PLAN. THERE'S NO APPROPRIATION OF FUNDS, WE'RE NOT AUTHORIZED TO SPEND ANYTHING BECAUSE OF THIS. WE DO RECOGNIZE THERE IS A LARGE DEFICIT IN THESE YEARS WHICH THERE TYPICALLY IS IN THESE PLANS.

BY THE TIME THE BUDGET GETS HERE, WE WILL WHITTLE THAT DOWN TO A MORE MANAGEABLE NUMBER. WE DON'T HAVE ANY OF OUR ESTIMATED TAXES. WE'RE STILL MONITORING ALL OF OUR OTHER REVENUE SOURCES SUCH AS SALES TAX, ET CETERA, SO, AGAIN, THE REVENUE ESTIMATES WILL BE BETTER REFINED BEFORE WE GET TO THE BUDGET TIME AND THEN THE EXPENDITURES WILL BE REFINED AS WELL. WITH THAT, I'LL BE GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY

HAVE. >> TAMMY, DID ANYBODY SIGN UP TO SPEAK? COUNCIL, QUESTIONS?

ALLEN? >> YEAH, THE ONLY THING I HAD A QUESTION AND SOME INPUT ON IN PARTICULAR IS UNDER 20-LL1 STREET RESURS -- RESURFACING AND REHAB. WE HAVE THE 2. 5 MILLION CURRENTLY AND THEN IT KIND OF STAYS CONSISTENT ON THOSE NEXT FOUR FISCAL YEARS. I WOULD LIKE TO ADVOCATE FOR PLANNING PURPOSES TO THIS UPCOMING YEAR TO HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE EXPEDIENT OF A PRIORITY ON ADDITIONAL STREET REHAB AND WOULD LIKE TO SHIFT SOME OF THOSE '26- '27 DOLLARS IN THE PLAN INTO THE IMMEDIATE UPCOMING FISCAL YEAR. AND WHEN I SAY SOME, SOMEWHERE AROUND AN ADDITIONAL 50%.

>> SO WHAT WE WILL DO, AS IN YEARS PAST, WE WILL GIVE THIS TYPICALLY THROUGH THE BUDGET PROCESS WE WOULD PRESENT THE LIST OF ALL THE STREETS THAT ARE IN EACH ONE OF THESE YEARS, SO IF THERE IS AN APPETITE AT THAT POINT TO MOVE THINGS FORWARD, WE CAN CERTAINLY DO THAT.

I WILL TELL YOU THAT MOST LIKELY THAT WOULD HAVE TO COME FROM THE INCREASE IN THE TAX NOTE.

AS YOU CAN SEE IN THIS PLAN, WE'VE ALREADY GOT THE 1.

5 MILLION OF THAT 2. 5 PROPOSED IN THE TAX NOTE SO IT WOULD PROBABLY BE UPPING THAT AMOUNT MOST LIKELY.

WE CAN CERTAINLY DO THAT AT BUDGET TIME AND TAKE AND MOVE THAT FORWARD BASED ON THE PROJECT -- THE DETAILED PROJECT LIST THAT COMES FROM ADAM AND HIS TEAM ABOUT THE STREETS ON THE PLAN.

>> BUT THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WOULD NECESSARILY BE RELEVANT TO THIS PARTICULAR APPROVAL OF THE PLAN?

>> YOU CAN CERTAINLY MOVE IT IN THERE. I DON'T HAVE -- AGAIN, IT'S JUST A PLAN. IF WE WANTED TO TAKE, SAY, I WILL THROW OUT A MILLION DOLLARS, IF WE WANT TO PUT THAT IN THERE AND YOU WANT TO SAY WE WANT ANOTHER MILLION DOLLARS PUT FOR PLANNING PURPOSES, CERTAINLY WE CAN DO THAT.

>> WE'VE DONE THAT BEFORE AND WE DID IT DURING

THE BUDGET. >> THAT'S JUST SOMETHING I WANTED TO BRING UP I WOULD LIKE TO SEE, IF THERE'S NO ECHO OF THAT, THEN THAT'S FINE, TOO.

>> I THINK FOR ME, PERSONALLY, I AGREE WITH THE SENTIMENT, I TO SEE THE WHOLE PICTURE, MORE OF A DRILLED DOWN VERSION WHEN WE HAVE OUR PENCILS SHARP AND HIGHLIGHTERS OUT AND MAKING RECOMMENDATIONS AND HOW EACH OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS MIGHT IMPACT OTHER AREAS, BUT GENERALLY I LIKE THE IDEA.

I THINK THAT WE CAN DEFINITELY TACKLE

[02:40:01]

ROSS? >> I AGREE WITH ALLEN.

I THINK WE PRIORITIZE TAKING CARE OF THE FACILITIES WE HAVE AND REHABBING THOSE. THERE ARE SOME ROADS AROUND THE COMMUNITY THAT NEED SOME TLC, THINK SOME OF THEM MAY NOT NEED TO WAIT 24, 48 MONTHS TO GET THERE, SO WHENEVER WE WANT TO HAVE THAT DISCUSSION WHETHER IT'S NOW OR DURING THE BUDGET, I I FEEL IT'S MORE THAN A GOOD SENTIMENT. IT'S A REALITY THAT WE NEED TO TAKE CARE OF THE THINGS WE OPEN AND MAKE SURE THAT OUR RESIDENTS ARE WELL SERVED HE IS ESPECIALLY IN THE CONNECTING AREAS THAT USED TO NOT HAVE A LOT OF ACTIVITY AND NOW ARE FINDING THEMSELVES WITH A LOT MORE ACTIVITY.

MY UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT WE'RE DOING TONIGHT IS REALLY MORE APPROVING THE FORMAT AND FORM, THE CONCEPT AND LAYOUT THE WAY OUR PRESENTING THE INFORMATION MORE THAN THE ACTUAL MERITS OF THE INFORMATION ITSELF.

IN THAT REGARD I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH IT AND I LIKE THE CHANGES YOU'VE MADE, CHRIS. I THINK IT MAKES IT MUCH MORE USER FRIENDLY AND SALIENT TO UNDERSTAND THE TOTAL ASK VERSUS WHAT'S BEEN CARVED OUT AND THAT PROVIDES÷÷PROVIDES INFORMATION WE WERE ASKING FOR LAST TIME, SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR, FOR MAKING THOSE CHANGES.

>> OKAY. DO WE HAVE A MOTION?

>> MOTION TO APPROVE --

>> MOTION TO APPROVE AS PRESENTED BY COUNCILMAN WEAVER.

SECONDED BY COUNCILWOMAN HAMMONDS. PLEASE VOTE.

[EXECUTIVE SESSION]

TONIGHT WE'LL BE DOING NUMBER TWO AND NUMBER THREE.

NUMBER TWO IS SECTION 551. 072, REAL ESTATE, DELIBERATION REGARDING REAL PROPERTY TO DELIBERATE THE PURCHASE, EXCHANGE, LEASE OR VAL YOU OF REAL PROPERTY LOCATED WITHIN THE CITY LIMITS OF MIDLOTHIAN. NUMBER 3, SECTION 35351. 074, THE PUBLIC OFFICER OR EMPLOYEE, ASSISTANT DIRECTOR

>> ALL RIGHT, IT IS 9:07 P.M. WE'RE BACK FROM EXECUTIVE SESSION. THERE IS ACTION TO BE TAKEN ON ONE ITEM REGARDING REAL PROPERTY, DELIBERATE THE PURCHASE, EXCHANGE LEASE AND VALUE IN MIDLOTHIAN, TEXAS.

A MOTION? THAT WAS THE WRONG ONE.

I APOLOGIZE. THERE'S NO ACTION TO BE TAKEN ON THAT ONE. IT'S BEEN A LONG DAY.

WE ARE TAKING ACTION ON 551. 074 PERSONNEL MATTERS TO DELIBERATE THE APPOINTMENT, EMPLOYMENT OR DUTIES OF A PUBLIC OFFICER OR EMPLOYEE, ASSISTANT DIRECTOR OF PLANNING.

>> I MAKE A MOTION TO AUTHORIZE THE CITY MANAGER TO GO ABOVE THE MIDPOINT REGARDING THE ASSISTANT DIRECTOR OF PLANNING POSITION.

>> WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN WEAVER. A SECOND.

PLEASE VOTE. ITEM PASSES 7-0.

WITH NO FURTHER ACTION, NO FURTHER BUSINESS FOR THIS EVENING, WE ARE ADJOURNED AT 9:08 P.M.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.