[Call to Order, Pledges, and Invocation]
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2025.4 IS PRESENT SO I CALL THIS MEETING TO ORDER. WE'RE GOING TO BEGIN THIS EVENING WITH THE PLEDGES AND INVOCATION TO BE
READ BY COUNCILMAN RODGERS. >> JOIN ME IN THE PRAYER PER LORD WE ARE THANKFUL TO BE ABLE TOGETHER TONIGHT IN A FREE COUNTRY. WE ARE THANKFUL FOR 1ST RESPONDERS. WE ARE THANKFUL FOR OUR ARMED SERVICES AND THE PROVISIONS OF THOSE WHO, IN THE PAST, PROVIDED FOR OUR FREEDOMS WHICH WE SO FREELY USED TODAY.
THANKFUL FOR THE ABILITY TO FREELY ASSEMBLE, TO GATHER IN SEARCH OF TOPICS THAT ARE OF COMMUNITY IMPORTANCE AND INTEREST, AND WE ASK LORD THAT YOU ALWAYS GRANT US THE ABILITY TO GOVERN IN A NONPARTISAN MANNER, WHICH WE SHOULD DO SO.
GUIDE US AS WE WALK IN THE COMING WEEK, THAT WOULD ALWAYS BE IN A WAY THAT IS PLEASING TO YOU. IN JESUS NAME WE PRAY,
AMEN. >> I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION, UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH
LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. >>> HONOR THE TEXAS FLAG. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THEE , TEXAS, ONE STATE UNDER GOD, ONE
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AND INDIVISIBLE. >> THANK YOU COUNSELOR RODGERS.
AS EVERYONE IS WELL AWARE, WE RECENTLY HAD ELECTIONS HERE IN THE CITY OF MIDLOTHIAN. I'D LIKE TO THANK YOU ON BEHALF OF THE COUNCIL, ALL 2300, 2400 STUDENTS CITIZENS WHO SHOWED UP TO VOTE, PARTICIPATED IN THE DEMOCRATIC PROCESS. OUR COMMUNITY HAD A GOOD SHOWING ULTIMATELY SO I'M THANKFUL FOR ALL THAT PARTICIPATED. WITH THAT SAID, OUR FIRST ITEM FOR BUSINESS THIS EVENING IS 2020 5134, WHICH IS TO CANVASS THE VOTES OF THE CITY COUNCIL ELECTION OF MAY 3RD, 2025. THE RESULTS FROM THE ELECTION IN PLACE THREE IS AN HAMMONS WITH 1367 VOTES, AND GARDNER WITH 859 VOTES, PLACE FOUR CLARK WICKLIFFE WITH 1603 VOTES AND VALENCIA DANIELS WITH 635 VOTES.
SO WE'LL NEED TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THESE RESULTS. WOULD ANYBODY LIKE TO MAKE THAT MOTION?
>> MOTION TO APPROVE. >> SECOND.
>> MOTION TO APPROVE BY COUNCILMAN MOORMAN. THAT IS SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN RODGERS. I'M WAITING ON A VOTE. PLEASE VOTE. I DON'T HAVE A VOTE OPTION.
>> OKAY, HERE WE GO. PLEASE VOTE. ITEM PASSES 6-0.
CONGRATULATIONS TO MRS. HAMMONDS, CONGRATULATIONS TO MR.
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WICKLIFFE. THREE MORE YEARS. AT THIS POINT, 2025-135 WILL BE TO ADMINISTER THE OATH OF OFFICE TO NEWLY ELECTED COUNCIL MEMBERS, PLACE THREE AND PLACE FOUR POINT I BELIEVE JUDGE TRAILER IS HERE, COUNCILWOMAN HAMMONS, YOU WANT TO GO FIRST AS PLACE THREE? AND IF YOUR FAMILY'S HERE, THEY'RE WELCOME TO JOIN.>> PUT YOUR HAND ON THE BIBLE AND YOU CAN REPEAT AFTER ME. MS. HAMMONS, I AND HAMMONS DO SOLEMNLY SWEAR.
>> I AND I HAMMONS DO SOLEMNLY SWEAR.
>> THAT I WILL FAITHFULLY EXECUTE THE DUTIES OF THE OFFICE
OF -- >> THAT IT WILL PLAYFULLY EXECUTE THE DUTIES OF THE OFFICE OF --
>> CITY OF MIDLOTHIAN COUNCIL MEMBER PLACE THREE POINT
>> CITY OF MIDLOTHIAN COUNCILMEMBER PLACE THREE POINT
>> OF THE STATE OF TEXAS. >> OF THE STATE OF TEXAS.
>> AND WILL TO THE BEST OF MY ABILITY.
>> AND WILL TO THE BEST OF MY ABILITY .
>> PRESERVE, PROTECT AND DEFEND THE CONSTITUTION.
>> PRESERVE, PROTECT AND DEFEND THE CONSTITUTION --
>> AND LAWS OF THE UNITED STATES.
>> AND LAWS OF THE UNITED STATES.
>> AND OF THE STATE, SO HELP ME GOD POINT
>> AND OF THIS STATE, SO HELP ME GOD.
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>> MAYOR PRO TEM WICKLIFFE, IF YOU'D LIKE TO GO. THE FORMER MAYOR PRO TEM, MRS. WICKLIFFE IS GOING TO HOLD THE BIBLE FOR HIM.
>> CONGRATULATIONS. RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND. I CLARK WICKLIFFE DO
SOLEMNLY SWEAR -- >> I CLARK WICKLIFFE DO SOLEMNLY
SWEAR THAT I >> THAT I WILL PLAYFULLY ESCAPE
THE DUTIES -- >> THAT I WILL FAITHFULLY
EXECUTE THE DUTIES -- >> OF THE OFFICE OF --
>> OF THE OFFICE OF -- >> CITY OF MIDLOTHIAN
COUNCILMEMBER PLACE FOUR POINT >> CITY OF MIDLOTHIAN
COUNCILMEMBER PLACE FOUR POINT >> OF THE STATE OF TEXAS --
>> OF THE STATE OF TEXAS. >> AND WILL TO THE BEST OF MY ABILITY PRESERVE, PROTECT AND DEFEND THE CONSTITUTION --
>> PRESERVE, PROTECT AND DEFEND THE CONSTITUTION.
>> AND LAWS OF THE UNITED STATES.
>> AND LAWS OF THE UNITED STATES.
>> AND OF THE STATE, SO HELP ME GOD.
>> AND OF THIS STATE, SO HELP ME GOD.
>> DIDN'T WANT TO PHOTO ON YOUR PICTURE. CHRIS DID, ANYWAY.
THANK YOU, JUDGE. AGAIN, CONGRATULATIONS TO MAYOR PRO TEM
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WICKLIFFE AND COUNCILWOMAN HAMMONS. LOOKING FORWARD TO WORKING WITH YOU GUYS IN THE UP COMING YEAR. ALL RIGHT. MOVING ON TO ITEM 2025-136, AND THAT IS TO ELECT A MAYOR PRO TEM.COUNCIL DISCUSSIONS OR RECOMMENDATIONS ON THE MAYOR PRO TEM POSITION? IT'S A YEARLY APPOINTED POSITION.
>> I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPOINT OR NOMINATE. APPOINT CLARK WICKLIFFE AS MAYOR PRO TEM.
>> SECOND. >> THE MOTION TO REAPPOINT COUNCILMAN WICKLIFFE TO BE THE MAYOR PRO TEM FOR THE UPCOMING YEAR IS SECONDED BY COUNCILWOMAN HAMMONS'S. MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMEMBER MOORMAN. PLEASE VOTE. THAT ITEM PASSES 6-0.
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CONGRATULATIONS, CLARK. WE ARE GOING TO RECOGNIZE NATIONAL HOSPITAL WEEK PROCLAMATION SO IF THE FOLKS FROM THE HOSPITAL AREHERE, JOIN ME UPFRONT. >> ALL RIGHT. I HAVE REPRESENTATIVES FROM THE HOSPITAL AS WELL AS MCDC. THE HOSPITAL, AS YOU ALL KNOW, IS A GREAT IMMUNITY WHATEVER. IS DOING FANTASTIC WORK IN OUR CITY AND IT'S MY HONOR TO GET TO RECOGNIZE THE FANTASTIC WORK OF THE METHODIST HOSPITAL SYSTEMS AND THE IMPACT THEY HAVE ON OUR COMMUNITY, AND OUR CITIZENS AT LARGE. SO WITH THAT, I'M GOING TO READ A PROCLAMATION RECOGNIZING NATIONAL HOSPITAL WEEK IN THE CITY OF MIDLOTHIAN.
WHEREAS NATIONAL HOSPITAL WEEK NASA'S HOSPITALS AND THE HEALTHCARE PROVIDERS WHO, DAY IN AND DAY OUT, SUPPORT THE HEALTH OF OUR COMMUNITIES PROVIDING COMPASSIONATE CARE, PROMOTING WELLNESS, AND GIVING HOPE. WHEREAS MIDLOTHIAN RECOGNIZES METHODIST HEALTH SYSTEMS FOR INVESTING LONG-TERM IN A COMMUNITY BIKE CONSTRUCTING A FULL-SERVICE MEDICAL CENTER IN MIDLOTHIAN, WHICH HAS SERVED AS A CATALYST FOR HIGH-QUALITY HEALTHCARE SERVICES, AS WELL AS CONTRIBUTED TO THE ECONOMICS DISCUSS OF OUR COMMUNITY. WHEREAS MIDLOTHIAN RESIDENTS HAVE BENEFITED DIRECTLY FROM METHODIST MIDLOTHIAN MEDICAL CENTER ACUTE CARE, SURGICAL SERVICES, URGENCY AND AN DILATORY CARE, HEALTH INFORMATION AND WELLNESS GRAMS, AND SUPPORT OF IMMUNITY EVENTS. AND WHEREAS WE ARE HONORED TO JOIN WITH OUR COMMUNITY PART CELEBRATING METHODIST LOTHIAN MEDICAL CENTER, THE HOMETOWN HOSPITAL THAT HAS SERVED US WELL SINCE 2020, ALONG WITH THE DEDICATED MEN AND WOMEN WHO ARE ON THE FRONT LINES, WORKING TIRELESSLY, PROMOTING HEALTH AS WELL AS SERVING OTHERS IN THEIR GREATEST TIME OF NEED. NOW THEREFORE I, MAYOR JUSTIN KAUFMAN, ON BEHALF OF THE CITY COUNCIL, DO HEREBY PROCLAIM MAY 11 THROUGH THE 17TH AS NATIONAL HOSPITAL WEEK IN THE CITY OF MIDLOTHIAN AND I ENCOURAGE ALL CITIZENS IN OUR COMMUNITY TO CONTINUE TO LEARN ABOUT THE SERVICES PROVIDED AT OUR HOSPITAL IN OBSERVANCE OF THIS IMPORTANT WEEK, DATED TODAY'S DATE, MAY 13TH, 2025.
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>> WE ARE GOING TO OPEN UP COUNCIL REPORT ON ITEMS OF COMMUNITY INTEREST. I'M GOING TO KICK IT OFF AND I'LL OPEN IT UP TO THE REST OF THE COUNCIL TO ACKNOWLEDGE THINGS THAT YOU NOTICED IN THE COMMUNITY, AS WELL AS EVENTS THAT YOU MAY HAVE ATTENDED, ET CETERA, ET CETERA, BUT I'M GOING TO BEGIN BY HONORING NATIONAL POLICE WEEK. NATIONAL POLICE WEEK IN 2025 IS BEEN OBSERVED ACROSS THE UNITED STATES, FROM MAY 11TH TO MAY 17TH. IT'S A TIME TO HONOR AND MEMBER LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS, BOTH LIVING AND THOSE THAT HAVE MADE THE ULTIMATE SACRIFICE IN THE LINE OF DUTY. I BELIEVE OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT HAD A SMALL, PRIVATE MEMORIAL CEREMONY TODAY IN REMEMBRANCE OF THE THREE OFFICERS WHOSE END OF WATCH HAPPENED WHILE SERVING THE CITIZENS OF MIDLOTHIAN. THEIR STORIES CAN BE FOUND ON OUR CITY'S WEBSITE. I WOULD LIKE TO NAME THEM NOW FOR THE RECORD SO THAT WE CAN HONOR THEM HERE TODAY. CLARK BLAIR, CITY MARSHALL, END OF WATCH, MAY 1ST, 1916. GEORGE WILLIAM RAYFIELD, POLICE OFFICER, END OF WATCH, OCTOBER 23RD, 1987. HEATHER LYNETTE FARES, LEASE OFFICER, END OF WATCH, APRIL 21ST, 2014.
I'D LIKE TO THANK ALL OF THOSE IN LAW ENFORCEMENT WHO CONTINUALLY SERVE US WELL AND THEY RISK THEIR LIVES EVERY DAY FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE COMMUNITY AND THE CITY OF MIDLOTHIAN.
THANK YOU TO ALL OF OUR POLICE OFFICERS WHO SERVE AND THOSE FAMILIES OF THOSE OFFICERS WHO MADE THE ULTIMATE SACRIFICE.
COUNCIL ITEMS OF COMMUNITY INTEREST?
>> PUBLIC SERVICE ANNOUNCEMENT ON BEHALF OF THE ROTARY INTERNATIONAL CLUB HERE IN MIDLOTHIAN. THEY HAVE AN ANNUAL FLAG PROGRAM. MANY OF OUR BUSINESSES PARTICIPATE IN THAT.
YOU CAN ALSO DO THAT AT YOUR PRIVATE RESIDENCE. THAT PROGRAM KICKS OFF END OF MAY, EARLY JUNE. THEY PLACE THEM I THINK SEVEN TIMES THROUGHOUT THE YEAR IN FRONT OF YOUR BUSINESS OR YOUR HOME. IT'S A GREAT WAY TO SUPPORT ROTARY INTERNATIONAL AND THEIR EFFORTS, AND ALSO TO DISPLAY YOUR PATRIOTISM AND PRIDE IN THE COMMUNITY. IT LOOKS REALLY NEAT WHEN THE WHOLE STREET IS COVERED UP WITH THOSE, SO I PERSONALLY GIVE THEM AS GIFTS TO MY NEIGHBORS FOR CHRISTMAS, BECAUSE EVERYBODY KIND OF HAS ONE ALREADY BUT IT'S A GREAT WAY TO SUPPORT A REALLY GOOD ORGANIZATION, AND NOW IS THE TIME TO DO IT IF YOU WANT TO ENSURE YOU GET ALL YOUR FLAGS FOR THE YEAR. I DON'T HAVE THE INFORMATION ON SIGN-UP IT'S ON THE WEBSITE IF YOU GOOGLE MIDLOTHIAN ROTARY. ALL THE INFORMATION IS THERE. I THINK IT'S $40 OR $50 A FLAG FOR A WHOLE YEAR, SO IT'S A PRETTY GOOD DEAL. IT LOOKS REALLY COOL. METHODIST I THINK HAS DOZENS OF THOSE OUT IN FRONT AND IT LOOKS AMAZING WHEN YOU
DRIVE BY AND SEE THEM. >> MIKE 2
>> I JUST WANTED TO THANK OUR PARKS DEPARTMENT, OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT, AND ALL OF OUR CITY STAFF, AND THE CHAMBER. RECENTLY WE HAD A GREAT TIME WITH THE MID-LOVEFEST WINE WALK AND ALSO THE STREETLAMPS IN THE LAST WEEK. I WILL SAY IT IS REFRESHING TO SEE POLICE OFFICERS ON BICYCLES, PATROLLING. IT ADDED AN EXTRA ELEMENT OF SAFETY, AND I THOUGHT THE ENTIRE EVENT WAS PUT TOGETHER VERY WELL. I LIKE THE WAY IT WAS SPREAD OUT. HE DIDN'T FEEL CROWDED THIS YEAR AT MIDLOFEST AND I THOUGHT YOU GUYS DID AN OUTSTANDING JOB.
I'VE HAD A NUMBER OF COMPLEMENTS, HOW EXCITED FOLKS ARE TO SEE ACTIVITIES SUCH AS THIS HAPPENING DOWNTOWN AGAIN.
SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU, COUNCIL, FOR US ALL GETTING THIS ROLLING DOWNTOWN AGAIN. APPRECIATE EVERYBODY.
>> ABSOLUTELY. ANY OTHERS? ALL RIGHT. COUNCIL, AS YOU ALL KNOW, MY DAUGHTER IS ABOUT TO GRADUATE HIGH SCHOOL. SHE'S UP FOR SEVERAL AWARDS THIS EVENING, SO I'M GOING TO CHECK OUT EARLY I'M GOING TO LEAVE YOU IN THE VERY CAPABLE HANDS OF OUR NEWLY APPOINTED MAYOR PRO TEM. SO MAYOR PRO TEM IS GOING TO TAKE OVER THE MEETING. I'M GOING TO PASS THE GAVEL TO HIM AND ALLOW HIM TO TAKE OVER, AND I WILL SEE YOU ALL FRIDAY FOR OUR WORKSHOP.
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>> ALL RIGHT. MOVING ON TO ITEM 2025-138, CITIZENS TO BE HEARD.
IS THERE ANY CITIZENS THAT WAS TO BE HEARD?
>> HELLO, SIR. PLEASE STATE WHETHER OR NOT YOU LIVE IN THE CITY LIMITS, AND YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES.
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>> I DO NOT LIVE WITHIN CITY LIMITS. GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL.
THANK YOU FOR THE TIME. MY NAME IS ALEX HUBBARD. I SERVE AS THE REGIONAL EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR FOR SPECIAL OLYMPICS TEXAS, FOR THE NORTH REGION. SO I OVERSEE OUR STAFF AND ALL OF OUR EVENTS AND COMPETITIONS IN DFW, WICHITA FALLS, AND IN EAST TEXAS. WE HAVE A GROUP HERE OF STAFF AND COMMUNITY SUPPORTERS TONIGHT, IN REGARDS TO SPECIAL OLYMPICS HOSTING. OUR REGIONAL SOFTBALL AND BOCCE COMPETITION IN THE CITY OF MIDLOTHIAN ON SEPTEMBER 20TH. JUST WANTED TO SPEAK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT EVENT AND KIND OF THE IMPACT IT HAS IN HOLDING THAT IN A GREAT COMMUNITY LIKE THIS FOR OUR ATHLETES AND OUR FAMILIES. IT'S ONE OF OUR BIGGER COMPETITIONS OF THE YEAR. WE ARE EXPECTING PROBABLY RIGHT AROUND 1500 PARTICIPANTS BETWEEN BOCCE AND SOFTBALL, KIND OF RUN THOSE AT THE SAME TIME. IT'S A YEARLY EVENT FOR US AND WE DO A COMPETITION AT THE REGIONAL LEVEL, AND THEN THE INDIVIDUALS THAT PARTICIPATE IN THIS EVENT GET THE OPPORTUNITY TO ADVANCE TO OUR STATE COMPETITION IN MIDLAND-ODESSA IN OCTOBER. SO IN ADDITION TO THE SOFTBALL AND BOCCE ASPECT OF IT, WE ALSO REALLY LIKE WORKING WITH COMMUNITY PARTNERS. SO THERE ARE OPPORTUNITIES FOR DIFFERENT MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY TO BE INVOLVED, PARTICIPATE, COACH, YOU KNOW, BE INVOLVED IN RESOURCE FAIR, THINGS LIKE THAT.
WE ALSO , THROUGH OUR EVENTS, ARE ABLE TO OFFER A PROGRAM CALLED HEALTHY ATHLETES, WHICH ACTUALLY SERVES AS THE LARGEST HEALTHCARE PROVIDER FOR INDIVIDUALS WITH INTELLECTUAL DISABILITIES IN THE WORLD. SO AS PART OF OUR COMPETITIONS AND EVENTS, WE ARE ABLE TO WORK WITH CLINICAL DIRECTORS, DOCTORS, DENTISTS, ET CETERA, FROM OUR LOCAL COMMUNITIES, TO OFFER THOSE SERVICES, TO NOT ONLY TO INDIVIDUALS THAT PARTICIPATE IN THE COMPETITION, BUT ALL OF THE INDIVIDUALS AND FAMILY MEMBERS INVOLVED IN OUR PROGRAM AT THESE EVENTS. SO WE REALLY TRIED TO MAKE IT KIND OF A VERY WORTHWHILE EXPERIENCE FOR EVERYBODY. AND OF COURSE, COULD NOT DO IT WITHOUT THE SUPPORT OF GREAT COMMUNITIES LIKE THIS ONE. SO AGAIN, VERY THANKFUL FOR YOUR TIME AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING WITH YOU AND HOPEFULLY GETTING A CHANCE TO HOST OUR EVENT IN THIS GREAT COMMUNITY.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> ANYBODY ELSE?
>> KELLY RENFRO. >> HELLO, PLEASE STATE WHETHER OR NOT YOU LIVE IN THE CITY MINUTES LIMITS AND YOU HAVE
THREE MINUTES. >> I DO NOT LIVE IN THE CITY LIMITS BUT I DO LIVE WITHIN THE ISD, SO I'M HERE ALSO IN SUPPORT OF THE OLYMPICS AND HOSTING A COMPETITION OUT THERE.
SO I'M ACTUALLY A POLICE OFFICER BY DAY. I WORK FOR THE DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT. I'VE BEEN THERE 16 YEARS. I'M CURRENTLY A LIEUTENANT BUT I AM HERE AS REPRESENTATIVE OF SPECIAL OLYMPICS TEXAS. WE PARTICIPATE IN SOMETHING, OFFICERS DO WORLDWIDE, CALLED LAW ENFORCEMENT TORCH RUN, SO LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS ARE THE BIGGEST GRASSROOTS FUNDRAISER FOR SPECIAL OLYMPICS WORLDWIDE. SO WE GO OUT TO THESE COMPETITIONS IN DROVES AND WE JUST LOVE TO JUST VOLUNTEER. WE LOVE TO PUT METALS ON THE ATHLETES, CHEER THEM ON, SUPPORT THEM. AND I THINK SEEING A COMPETITION OUT HERE WOULD JUST BE SUCH A GREAT OPPORTUNITY FOR OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT TO GET INVOLVED IN. I KNOW I'VE SPOKEN MANY TIMES WITH THE OFFICER WHO WORKS AT MY SON'S SCHOOL AND HE'S AMAZING WITH MY SON, WHO HAS SPECIAL NEEDS, AND I CAN'T WAIT TO SEE HIM AND ALL THE OTHER OFFICERS COME OUT AND PARTICIPATE IN THIS EVENT. I'M REALLY GLAD TO SEE COMPETITION COME DOWN HERE, BECAUSE SO OFTEN TIMES IN THE NORTH REGION THEY'RE JUST NORTH OF DALLAS OR WAY ABOVE LIKE FT. WORTH AREA AND THIS KIND OF MAKES ME SAD THAT I DON'T SEE THEM HERE IN MY OWN HOMETOWN. BECAUSE WE SEE ON THE ISD WEBSITE WHERE IT TALKS ABOUT WANTING TO MAKE THIS TOWN ONE OF THE LARGEST AND BEST PLACES FOR SPECIAL OLYMPICS ATHLETES AND TRAINING AND THIS IS A GREAT FIRST STEP TOWARDS THAT. I WOULD LOVE TO SEE MORE COMPETITIONS OUT HERE AND I WANT THE COMMUNITY THAT MY CHILDREN GROW UP IN TO JUST BE MORE UNIFIED. I WANT TO SEE THE COMMUNITY OUT THERE EMBRACING ATHLETES AND ONE THING I HAD ACTUALLY EMAILED BACK AND FORTH WITH SOME OF OUR CHIEFS HERE WITH MIDLOTHIAN IS SOMETIMES OFFICERS DON'T ALWAYS KNOW HOW TO INTERACT WITH INDIVIDUALS WITH IDD, AND A LOT OF THAT IS IT JUST REQUIRES ONGOING TRAINING. BUT I WILL SAY ONE THING THAT I'VE SEEN SO MUCH OF MY TIME AND OFFICERS THAT I WORK WITH WITHIN THE DALLAS PD, IS WHEN OFFICERS COME OUT, THEY LEARN SO MUCH ABOUT HOW TO INTERACT WITH INDIVIDUALS WITH IDD. IT'S NOT JUST AUTISM, WHICH I WAS SO IMPRESSED TO SEE THE MIDLOTHIAN PD SUPPORT AUTISM AWARENESS AND PUT INEOS OUT ONLINE, WHICH WAS THE, REALLY
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GREAT TO SHARE THAT AWARENESS. BUT YOU'LL SEE NOT JUST OFFICERS, WITH THE COMMUNITY WILL LEARN SO MUCH MORE ABOUT HOW TO INTERACT WITH INDIVIDUALS. YOU BRING YOUR CHILDREN OUT. I TAKE MY CHILDREN TO EVERY SINGLE EVENT AND IT ALLOWS OUR CHILDREN TO SEE THAT INDIVIDUALS WITH SPECIAL NEEDS ARE REALLY MORE LIKE THAN DIFFERENT, AND THEY LEARN HOW TO RESPECT THEM, SEE THEM AS INDIVIDUALS, AS PEOPLE, NOT JUST SOMEONE WHO'S MADE IN WE ARE SCARED TO TALK TO BUT WE CAN SEE[CONSENT AGENDA]
THAT WE HAVE COMMONALITIES, WE HAVE COMMON GOALS. WE ALL WANT TO CHEER, WE WANT TO WIN, WE WANT TO GET THAT GOLD MEDAL, BUT IT'S SUCH A SPECIAL FEELING TO BE ABLE TO PUT THE GOLD MEDAL ON AN ATHLETE AND TO SEE THEM, SO I JUST HOPE THAT YOU'LL SUPPORT THIS. IT WOULD MEAN SO MUCH TO OUR COMMUNITY, TO MY FAMILY, AND I THINK YOU'LL SEE IF YOU BRING YOUR FAMILY OUT HERE, IT WILL MEAN SO MUCH TO YOU AS WELL. YOU'LL REALLY SEE GREAT SUPPORT IN THIS COMMUNITY. I CAN'T WAIT TO SEE IT. THANK YOU.>> IF THERE IS ANYBODY ELSE -- ALL RIGHT, MOVING ON TO ITEM 2025-139, CONSENT AGENDA. MATTERS LISTED UNDER CONSENT AGENDA ARE CONSIDERED TO BE ROUTINE BY THE CITY COUNCIL AND WILL BE ENACTED BY ONE MOTION WITHOUT SEPARATE DISCUSSION. IF DISCUSSION IS DESIRED, THAT ITEM WILL BE REMOVED FROM THE CONSENT AGENDA AND WILL BE CONSIDERED SEPARATELY. COUNCIL, DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY ITEMS THEY LIKE TO REMOVE?
>> I DO HAVE A QUESTION ON THE MINUTES AND A POINT
>> REMOVING A, ANYBODY ELSE? AND H, ANY OTHERS? DO I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE -- OR A MOTION ON ALL ITEMS EXCEPT FOR LETTER A AND H? I HAVE A MOTION BY MIKE. I HAVE A SECOND BY MS. HAMMONDS.
[2025-139 A. Consider and act upon minutes from the City Council meetings of April 18, 22 and May 6, 2025.]
PLEASE VOTE. AND THE ITEM PASSES 5-0. WE'LL OPEN ITEM LETTER A.ROSS? >> I JUST -- COUNCILMEMBER SHUFFIELD IS BACK NOW SO I CAN ASK HIM DIRECTLY ON THE MINUTES . YOU REMOVE THE CONSENT AGENDA ITEM IN THE LAST MEETING AND ABSTAINED FROM THAT VOTE, IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY.
>> I COULDN'T GET MY VICTOR TO WORK.
>> YOU DID INTEND TO VOTE AFFIRMATIVE FOR THAT OR YOU WERE
ABSTAINING FROM -- >> NO, THAT WAS THE ONE. YOU WERE CORRECT, I DID BECAUSE I HAD THE POTENTIAL CONFLICT OF INTEREST. THAT WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT.
>> 2020 5-1 16, ITEM E SHOULD SHOW APPROVE UNANIMOUSLY, 6-0
INSTEAD OF 7-0. >> THAT IS CORRECT.
>> SO I WOULD SUBMIT THAT AS AN AMENDMENT AND THEN MAKE A MOTION
TO APPROVE THOSE MINUTES. >> ISLETS OF THE MOTION. WE HAVE A MOTION, DO I HAVE A SECOND? I HAVE A MOTION BY ROSS, SECOND BY ANNA. PLEASE VOTE. ITEM PASSES 6-0. MOVING ON TO PUBLIC
>> I JUST GOT ONE QUESTION ON THE PACKET IF MELISSA WOULD LIKE TO HELP ME WITH IT. HOW ARE YOU, MELISSA?
>> I'M GREAT. >> JUST A QUICK QUESTION, SO I KNOW THIS IS FOR 50,000 ON THE RESOLUTION, BUT WHEN I WAS LOOKING THE GRANT APPLICATION BUDGET, IT'S SHOWING ON THE FIRST ATTACHMENT THAT THEY BUDGETED $75,000 FOR SCHOOL SUPPLIES AND IT SAYS AT THE BOTTOM OF THE PAGE, TOTAL GRANT REQUEST, 92,585 POINT DID THEY ACTUALLY APPLY FOR 92,585 AND GOT APPROVED FOR 50,000, OR DID THEIR BUDGET CHANGE? OR WHAT'S
THE SITUATION? >> SO THEY CAME BACK WITH A SECOND APPLICATION. SO THAT IT WAS BROKEN UP AND IT REALLY FIT MORE INTO OUR MARKETING NEEDS, SO THAT'S THE FIRST APPLICATION. THE SECOND APPLICATION WAS FOR -- I BELIEVE THE 75 BUT THEY ONLY ASKED FOR 50 FROM US. THEY GOT EXACTLY WHAT THEY ASKED FOR.
>> OKAY. ON THIS BUDGET SHEET, IS THAT THEIR TOTAL BUDGET? LIKE FOR THE EVENT ON THIS GRANT APPLICATION BUDGET SHEET WE HAVE? THE REASON I'M TRYING TO GET CLARITY IS I'M JUST TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE -- WE HAVEN'T CUT A SCHOOL SUPPLY BUDGET IN THE PROCESS OF THIS, IS WHAT I'M TRYING TO CLARIFY.
>> SO WE HAVE NOT CUT THAT BUDGET, PER SE, I'M NOT GIVING THEM WHAT THEY'RE ASKING FOR, BECAUSE THEY DID COME BACK AND ASK FOR 50. THEY ARE TAKING A DIFFERENT APPROACH AT FUNDRAISING FOR THE SCHOOL SUPPLIES, SO THAT IT DOESN'T ALL FALL UPON ONE PERSON. SO AT THIS TIME THEY BELIEVE THAT THEY HAVE THE FUNDING THEY NEED TO GET TO THAT. I DON'T KNOW IF THERE WILL BE A SHORTFALL OR NOT. THIS WAS ORIGINALLY JUST
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FOR A FIRST FUNDRAISER, WHICH WILL BE USED TO BUY SCHOOLSUPPLIES WITH. >> OKAY. SO BASICALLY THEY'RE TAKING THE 50, AND I KNOW THEY'RE NOT HERE TO CLARIFY THAT I KNOW YOU OBVIOUSLY SPENT A LOT OF TIME WITH THEM. THEY'RE TAKING THE 50, FROM WHAT YOU UNDERSTAND, APPLYING IT TO THE 75 AND THEN THEY'LL BE DOING ANCILLARY FUNDRAISING FOR THE
ADDITIONAL. OKAY. THANK YOU. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON LETTER H? IF NOT, I'LL TAKE A MOTION.
>> MOTION TO APPROVE AS PRESENTED.
>> MOTION AND SECOND, PLEASE VOTE. ITEM PASSES FIVE AND ONE
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ABSTAINING. MOVING ON TO PUBLIC HEARINGS, NOW OPENING ITEM2025-140. >> COUNCIL , THIS ITEM IS REQUESTING AN AMENDMENT TO PD 69 TO ALLOW OUTDOOR STORAGE AS AN ACCESSORY USE WITH SCREENING ON AN ADDITIONAL AREA OF THE SITE.
THE PLANNED DEVELOPMENT IS FOR HEAVY INDUSTRIAL USES AND IT CURRENTLY ALLOWS OUTSIDE STORAGE. IT DOES HAVE SOME QUALIFIERS. IT ONLY ALLOWS IT TO BE 20% OF THE DEVELOPABLE LOT AREA AND IT'S PROHIBITED AS A PRIMARY USE. PD 69 IS AMENDED IN 2021 TO PROVIDE ADDITIONAL REQUIREMENTS FOR BUILDING ARTICULATION FOR THE BUILDINGS THAT ARE ALONG HIGHWAY 67, AND THEY AMENDED THE SITE PLAN TO SHOW OUTSIDE STORAGE TRAILERS ALONG CHALLENGER DRIVE. THE CURRENT PLAN DEVELOPMENT ALLOWS THE TRAILERS TO BE STORED WITHOUT ANY ADDITIONAL SCREENING. SO THE APPLICANT CAME BACK AND WANTED TO ADD ADDITIONAL LANGUAGE IN THE PLAN DEVELOPMENT TO ALLOW ADDITIONAL OUTSIDE STORAGE WITH SCREENING, AND TO MEET THE INTENT OF THE AMENDMENT THAT HAD BEEN DONE PREVIOUSLY IN 2021 . THE PURPOSE OF THE AMENDMENT IN 2021 WAS TO HAVE THE ADDITIONAL BUILDING ARTICULATION AND TO BE SENSITIVE TO THE CORRIDOR ALONG 67. SO IN AMENDING THE DEVELOPMENT, THEY ARE WANTING TO ALLOW OUTSIDE STORAGE ALONG THE NORTH SIDE OF BUILDINGS ONE AND TWO, WHERE IT FACES CHALLENGER DRIVE. THEY WILL HAVE SCREENING WITH AN EIGHT FOOT TUBULAR STEEL FENCING AND EVERGREEN SHRUBS, AND NOT EXCEED EIGHT FEET IN TOTAL HEIGHT. SO THE LAST PROVISION IS THAT IT WOULD BE PROHIBITED WITHIN 75 FEET OF RIGHT OF WAY OF HIGHWAY 67 AND MILLER ROAD. SO WE PROVIDED ADDITIONAL EXHIBIT AND WE KIND OF DID THIS AT THE LAST MINUTE, AND I APOLOGIZE. I THINK I MISUNDERSTOOD WHAT THEY WERE ASKING FOR. THEY -- THE BACK PARKING ALONG CHALLENGER DRIVE IS ALREADY FOR TRAILERS TO BE STORED. AND SO, WHAT THEY'RE SAYING IS THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO HAVE OUTSIDE STORAGE, AND ANYWHERE THAT THEY WOULD PUT OUTSIDE STORAGE, THAT'S NOT THE TRAILER THAT THEY WOULD HAVE THE SCREENING THAT -- THE PROVISIONS THAT THEY PROVIDED IN THE PD AMENDMENT. SO YOU KNOW IT WAS JUST SOMETHING THAT WE DISCUSSED AT THE LAST MINUTE, AND THEY WOULD LIKE TO PRESENT THAT TO YOU IN MORE DETAIL. THEY CURRENTLY HAVE A PERSON THAT WANTS TO MOVE IN, A COMPANY CALLED WIND SUPPLY, AND THEY WILL HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF OUTSIDE STORAGE, AND IT'S LESS THAN 20%. SO THIS IS WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING TO DO. NINE CARDS WERE SENT WITHIN 200 FEET.
WE DID NOT RECEIVE ANY CORRESPONDENCE FOR OR AGAINST.
STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL AND THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION RECOMMENDED APPROVAL 7-0 AT THE APRIL 13TH MEETING.
>> THANK YOU. IS THERE ANYBODY SIGNED UP TO SPEAK ON THIS? COULD I GET A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING? A MOTION AND A SECOND. PLEASE VOTE. ITEMS PASS 6-0. PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW CLOSED. IS THE APPLICANT HERE AND WOULD THEY LIKE TO SPEAK?
>> THEY ARE HERE. >> GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL. NICE
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TO SEE YOU ALL AGAIN. >> HOW ARE YOU?
>> DOING WELL . I THINK THE ONLY THING FOR ME TO SPEAK TO YOU TONIGHT IS JUST THE EXHIBITS. MARY AND I TALKED JUST LIKE TWO HOURS AGO. I THINK THAT WE'D LIKE YOU TO TAKE A LOOK AT THE EXHIBIT THAT HAS THE BLUE TEXT BOX AND BLUE FONT. THAT'S THE ONE THAT OUR USER WOULD LIKE US TO USE FOR THE ORDINANCE. SO I THINK WHAT WE ARE SHOWING HERE IS THAT THERE ARE EXISTING TRAILER STALLS AND THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO ADD MORE TRAILER STALLS, AND JUST TO BE CLEAR, WE ARE REQUESTING THAT OUTSIDE STORAGE CAN BE DONE IN THE AREAS IN LIEU, AT THE EXISTING AND ALREADY APPROVED FUTURE TRAILER STALLS . I CAN'T
TAKE ANY QUESTIONS. >> COUNCIL, ANY QUESTIONS?
>> SO THE ENTIRE BLUE AREA WOULD BE SCREENED WITH PIPE AND PIPE
FENCE AND VEGETATION? >> IF WE UTILIZE ALL THAT AREA FOR OUTSIDE STORAGE, WE'LL BE SCREENING PER THE PD AMENDMENT.
>> SO LIKE ANY 10 FEET YOU'RE GOING TO PUT UP A LITTLE MORE
FENCE AND ANOTHER SHRUB? >> NO, IT WILL BE ENTIRELY FENCED. PRODUCT WON'T EXCEED THE HEIGHT OF THAT FENCE, AND WE WILL ADD SHRUBS EVERY SO OFTEN, PER THE AMENDMENT LANGUAGE. DOES
THAT MAKE SENSE? >> I GUESS IF IT'S USED FOR OUTSIDE STORAGE PART IS, SO WE'VE GOT TO HAVE SOMEBODY ROLLING BY, CHECKING TO SEE IF THERE'S OUTSIDE -- TO ME, IF YOU'RE ASKING THAT TO BE USED FOR OUTSIDE STORAGE, YOU NEED TO SCREEN IT AND THEN YOU USE IT FOR OUTSIDE STORAGE. I REALLY DON'T LIKE APPROVING SOMETHING THAT HAS IF THEN ELSE EQUATION IN IT. THAT BECOMES AN ENFORCEMENT NIGHTMARE FOR US. IT CREATES CONFUSION IN THE FUTURE, THAT WHICH COMES FIRST, THE STORAGE OR THE SCREENING. I THINK THAT'S A TERRIBLE WAY FOR US TO SET A PRECEDENT. SO IN MY OPINION, IF YOU WANT OUTSIDE STORAGE THERE, GO AHEAD AND SCREEN IT FOR OUTSIDE STORAGE AND THEN USE IT OR DON'T USE IT.
>> UNDERSTOOD. WE WOULD SEEK AN APPROVAL UNDER SEPARATE COVER, WITH I'M ASSUMING THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT, TO PUT UP THAT FENCING, AND WE WANT USE THAT AREA FOR OUTSIDE STORAGE IF WE DON'T GET AN APPROVAL ON THAT UNDER SEPARATE COVER FENCING.
DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? >> I MEAN I GET WHERE YOU'RE COMING FROM. YOU'RE SAYING THAT IF YOUR USER DETERMINES THEY WANT OUTSIDE STORAGE THERE, YOU WILL GO TO THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT AND VOLUNTARILY SHARE THAT INFORMATION, AT WHICH TIME THEY WILL REQUIRE YOU TO GO BUILD THE IMPROVEMENTS.
>> THAT'S RIGHT. >> I THINK THAT RUNS COUNTER TO HOW WE'VE PRETTY MUCH DONE EVERY PROJECT OF A SIMILAR NATURE IN THE PAST, IN THE CITY OF MIDLOTHIAN. AND IT SOUNDS LIKE, TO ME, YOU HAVE A USER THAT HAS A NEED FOR OUTSIDE STORAGE, SO WE EITHER DESIGNATE THIS FOR OUTSIDE STORAGE TONIGHT OR WAIT UNTIL THEY'RE ACTUALLY GOING TO USE IT FOR OUTSIDE STORAGE, AND THEN WE CAN APPROVE THAT USE AND APPROVE IT ALONG WITH THE NECESSARY SCREENING FEATURES. SO I FEEL LIKE WE ARE DOING A CHOOSE YOUR OWN ADVENTURE NOVEL.
>> OKAY. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS?
>> JUST FOR CLARITY, SO ARE YOU GUYS SAYING THAT YOU ARE EITHER GOING TO VOTE TO ALLOW FOR OUTSIDE STORAGE, OR NOT? OR ARE YOU SAYING THAT DEPENDING ON -- CLYDE, AND I --
>> THE PLANNING ANALYSIS OF IT, ICING THE ORDINANCE READS THE ELDER STORAGE AREAS MUST BE SCREENED WITH EIGHT FOOT TUBULAR STEEL FENCING WITH LARGE EVERGREEN SHRUBS, SO YOU'RE DEPICTING THE OUTDOOR STORAGE AREA IN THE BLUE. THEREFORE THOSE MUST BE SCREENED WITH EIGHT-FOOT TUBULAR STEEL FENCING WITH LARGE EVERGREEN SHRUBS. THE AREA IS IN BLUE. IF THIS IS GRANTED TO YOU, THEN THAT AREA, IT DOESN'T TALK ABOUT MATERIAL.
IT TALKS ABOUT THE AREA. THE AREA IS SCREENED. DOES THAT MAKE
SENSE? >> SO EVEN IF HIS USER CHANGED AND THEY GOT ANOTHER USER COMING IN, AND THEY DON'T NEED THE OUTSIDE STORAGE, YOU'RE SAYING YOU WANT THE SHRUBS AND THE FENCE TO GO UP REGARDLESS. BUT IS THAT HOW IT'S WRITTEN?
>> YES. THE OUTDOOR STORAGE AREA MUST BE SCREENED AND FENCED. NOT THE OUTDOOR STORAGE MATERIALS. THE AREA DEPICTED IN BLUE.
>> THERE'S A MISUNDERSTANDING. I APPRECIATE YOU MAKING THAT
CLEAR. >> IF THIS IS APPROVED THAT MEANS YOU'RE GOING OUT, PUTTING A FENCE, AND EXACTLY HOW MUCH
YOU WANT IT -- >> THAT IS NOT BUT I
>> IF YOU USE THE OUTSIDE STORAGE --
>> THAT'S EXACTLY RIGHT. I THINK THIS WAS A DAY OR TWO AGO.
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I LEARNED AN EXHIBIT WOULD BE PUT INTO THIS PD ORDINANCE, SO WE WERE -- I THINK MARY CAN ATTEST THAT THE EXHIBIT CAME LIKE IN THE LAST 24 HOURS OR SO , THAT I LEARNED THAT THAT WAS GOING TO BE INCLUDED IN THE PD ORDINANCE OR THE AMENDMENT. SO IF IT'S GOING TO GO IN A DIRECTION WHERE WE HAVE TO INSTALL SCREENING AND FENCING ON THE ENTIRETY OF CHALLENGER DRIVE, IF, FOR ANY POTENTIAL OUTSIDE STORAGE, I THINK WE REQUESTED TABLE THIS TO THE NEXT COUNCIL JUST SO WE CAN CLARIFY , BECAUSE THIS IS NOT WHAT THE INTENT WAS.>> OKAY. MIKE? >> DO WANT TO POINT OUT ONE THING, THAT THIS EXHIBIT DOES SHOW -- WHERE DID IT GO? I DID PUT THE LANDSCAPE PLAN -- YEAH, THIS IS THE LANDSCAPE PLAN THAT IS APPROVED FOR THE PD. ITS EXISTING. SO THERE ARE TREES ALREADY PLANNED TO BE PLANTED IN THIS AREA. --
>> THINK WHAT HE'S SAYING IS THAT IF HE WERE TO PUT -- HE COULD PUT ADDITIONAL SHRUBS ACROSS AND EVEN WROUGHT IRON, BUT I THINK IF HE WANTED TO USE -- CONTINUE TO USE THESE FOR TRAILERS, HE WOULDN'T COMPLETELY ENCLOSE IT, RIGHT?
>> THEY WOULD WANT TO CONTINUE TO DO THAT, AND THEN IF THEY WERE TO CONVERT THESE AREAS OR ANY OF THESE AREAS TO OUTSIDE STORAGE, THEY WOULD HAVE TO COME IN AND GET A BUILDING PERMIT TO FINISH OUT THE INTERIOR, WHICH IS WHAT THEY'RE DOING WITH WIND SUPPLY. WHEN SUPPLY IS COMING IN. THEY'RE GOING TO FINISH OUT THE INTERIOR HERE AND THAT WILL INCLUDE THEIR DESCRIPTION OF THEIR OUTSIDE STORAGE, LIKE IN THE PLAN THAT THEY PROVIDED.
>> SO ON AN I■NTERIOR INISH UT PERMIT , THEY DESIGNATE WHETHER THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE OUTSIDE STORAGE AS PART OF OUR NORMAL
PROCESS. >> THIS IS WHAT THEY WOULD PROVIDE FOR THEIR PERMIT AND THEY WOULD TELL US THAT WE NEED TO LOOK FOR ADDITIONAL SCREENING ON THEIR OUTSIDE STORAGE, BECAUSE THERE'S THAT PART OF THE PD THAT SAYS THEY CAN ONLY DO 20% OF THEIR BUILDING AREA. IS OUTSIDE STORAGE. THEY CAN ONLY DO 20% OF THEIR AREA FOR OUTSIDE STORAGE, SO WE HAVE TO
BE ABLE TO CONFIRM THAT. >> SO WHERE ELSE IN OUR CODE AND PDS HAVE WE INCLUDED A PROVISION THAT SAID, TRUST US, WE'LL SELF-REPORT IF WE TRIGGER THIS? BECAUSE THAT'S ESSENTIALLY WHAT I FEEL LIKE THE CONCEPT THAT WE ARE DESCRIBING IS, RIGHT? EVERYWHERE ELSE IT'S LIKE WE DESIGNATED THIS AREA AS OUTSIDE STORAGE, IT'S SCREEN DOOR HOWEVER IT'S DESIGNED APPROPRIATELY AND NOW THAT'S A LEGAL HE'S BACK THERE. THEY CAN GO DO IT IN THE OUTSIDE STORAGE IS VERY DIFFERENT THAN A CONTAINER TRUCK. IT'S PALLETS. ITS STACKS. WHO KNOWS WHAT ? IT'S COMPONENTS. IT'S NOT CONTAINED IN A NICE, SQUARE BOX.
>> WHAT WE USUALLY DO, WE HAVE RETAIL CENTERS WHERE PEOPLE CAN COME IN AND DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT THAN LIKE A RESTAURANT, THAT MIGHT REQUIRE A SITE PLAN AMENDMENT .SO YOU'RE CORRECT. WE DON'T REALLY HAVE THIS EXACT SITUATION, PER SE, BUT IF WE WERE TO TABLE IT AND KIND OF TWEAK IT A LITTLE BIT, WE DO REQUIRE THAT IF SOMEBODY COMES IN, THEY CAN COME BACK AND PROVIDE A REVISED SITE PLAN AND WE COULD MAKE IT ADMINISTRATIVE SO WE ARE NOT HAVING TO PUT THEM THROUGH TO OUR HEARINGS, TO OUR MEETINGS, SO WE COULD TRY TO SEE IF WE COULD TWEAK THE PD TO ASK THEM TO COME BACK AND BRING IN A SITE PLAN, AND HAVE IT BE ADMINISTRATIVE IF IT SUBSTANTIALLY CONFORMS.
>> I THINK THAT SCENARIO, THAT ASSUAGES MY FEARS OF THE SITUATION OF APPROVING SOMETHING SITE UNSEEN ON A FUTURE POTENTIAL OUTCOME. BUT WHEN I READ THE AGENDA ITEM, NONE OF THAT IS IN THERE, RIGHT? SO IF YOU GUYS -- THE REST OF COUNCIL MAY DISAGREE WITH YOU . I MAY BE THE ONLY VOICE OUT HERE BUT I WOULD LIKE IT CODIFIED. IF YOU THINK THE PROCESS IS GOING TO BE, THEY'RE GOING TO COME IN AND PULL THE PERMIT AT THAT TIME, THEY'RE GOING TO TELL US IF THEY ARE USING IT FOR STORAGE, BECAUSE IT SAYS THE STEEL FENCING AND LARGE EVERGREEN SHRUBS. I DON'T DISPUTE THAT THE TREES ARE ALREADY THERE, BUT TREES ARE NOT A VISUAL SCREEN. THEY'RE A BEAUTIFUL PATIENT SCREEN FOR THE BUILDING BUT AS FAR AS STOP ON THE SURFACE LEVEL, THOSE TREES ARE TRIMMED TO WHERE YOU CAN SEE UP TO EIGHT FEET UNDERNEATH, BECAUSE MOST OF THEM ARE TRIMMED TO WHERE A HUMAN CAN WALK UNDERNEATH THEM WITHOUT KNOCKING THEIR HEAD ON MANICURED ESCAPING. SO I WOULD BE IN FAVOR OF HAVING IT RE-CODIFIED TO SAY HERE'S THE PROCESS AND THIS IS WHERE WE'LL MAKE THE DETERMINATION OF WHETHER THE
SCREENING IS WARRANTED OR NOT. >> MIKE?
>> QUESTION FOR MARY AND FOR THE APPLICANT. MARY, IS THIS
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APPLICATION PROCESS -- IS IT REQUESTING CONSIDERATION -- I BELIEVE I'M CORRECT, DUE TO THE REDRAW OF THE TRAILER STORAGE EXTENSION, WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THE ENTIRE LENGTH OF THE BUILDING ON CHALLENGER WAY. WE ARE NOT TALKING ABOUT A PROPORTIONALITY OF LEASING JUST A PROPORTION OF THAT BUILDING.WE ARE TALKING ABOUT WE'RE EITHER GOING TO REDO THE WHOLE THING OR THEY'RE NOT, CORRECT?
>> MR. RODGERS, IF I COULD TAKE THAT. WE ARE WILLING, IF YOU GUYS ARE WILLING TO APPROVE, OUTSIDE STORAGE FOR THE FUTURE AND EXISTING TRAILER STALLS, WITHIN THE CONFINES OF MY USER SPACE, WE ARE WILLING TO MAKE THAT DONE TONIGHT.
>> HERE'S MY QUESTION. ARE YOU ASKING, AS A USER SPACE, COULD SAVE ME 22% OF THAT BUILDING THAT THEY SAY WE NEED OUTDOOR STORAGE RIGHT BEHIND OUR SLOTS AND YOU'RE WANTING TO GO OUT THERE AND JUST DO THAT PROPORTIONALITY?
>> I'M WILLING TO AGREE TO THAT TONIGHT.
>> I CAN'T AGREE TO THAT. SO MY ATTITUDE BE ON THE ENTIRE DISTANCE OF THE BUILDING, THE WHOLE BUILDING SHOULD BE UNDER A PD FORMAT TO WHERE IF YOU WANT TO MAKE THOSE AMENITIES AND CHANGES, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE FOLKS LEASING AND CHANGING ALL THE TIME AND IT CREATES, IN MY VIEW, A PROBLEM FOR TAKING THE WHOLE SCOPE OF THE DISTANCE INTO
>> OKAY. I THINK I'M A LITTLE CONFUSED. MY INITIAL ASK WAS TO
>> ENTIRE LENGTH, AND HOPE THAT YOU GUYS WERE ABLE TO APPROVE OUTSIDE STORAGE FOR THE ENTIRE LENGTH .
>> WITHOUT SCREENING? >> WITH SCREENING.
>> I THINK WHERE WE GOT OFF IS WHENEVER YOU MENTIONED, LIKE IF ONE PART ISN'T NEEDED, BECAUSE ROSS SAID, ARE YOU GOING TO ADD IT IN TWO FOOT SECTIONS, IT SOUNDS LIKE IT'S PATCHY. IT SOUNDS LIKE IT WOULD BE PATCHY.
>> I AGREE. SAY THE TENANT IN THE MIDDLE WANTS OUTSIDE STORAGE, SO WE HAVE THIS RANDOM 30 FOOT SECTION OF FENCE AND
NOTHING ON EITHER SIDE. >> WHEN WE TALK ABOUT DOING THIS, IT'S THE ENTIRE SCOPE
>> I SEE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. THAT BECOMES -- I HAVE THE USER HERE, JAMES FULTON IS WITH WIND SUPPLY MIDLOTHIAN. HE CAN SPEAK TO HOW COST PROHIBITIVE THAT WOULD BE.
>> BUT THE QUESTION IS, IS THE USER USING THE WHOLE BUILDING?
>> HE'S NOT. >> SO THAT THEN BECOMES A QUESTION IN MY MIND THAT THE OWNER OF THE BUILDING, IT'S KIND OF LIKE PUTTING A WATER SPRINKLER SYSTEM IN THE BUILDING. WE CAN'T PATCH THAT IN.
>> I GUESS I DON'T UNDERSTAND , IS NOT USING ALL OF IT, THEN WHY DO YOU NEED MORE? BECAUSE YOU'RE ALREADY APPROVED FOR SOME SO CAN YOU NOT USE WHAT YOU ALREADY HAVE OR ARE YOU TRYING TO GET THE WHOLE THING? ARE YOU TRYING TO PREPARE?
>> I WAS TRYING TO PREPARE SO WE DON'T HAVE TO COME BACK AND CONTINUE TO DO THIS, KNOWING THAT SOME REQUIREMENTS ARE FOR OUTSIDE STORAGE IN THE MARKET BUT I THINK MS. HAMMONDS, I WOULD JUST REITERATE THAT WE ARE WILLING TO -- I UNDERSTAND WHAT MR. RODGERS IS SAYING , TOO, THAT YOU WANT A CONTINUITY OF THE SHRUBS ACROSS THE WHOLE. IS JUST THAT UNFORTUNATELY THAT'S
COST PROHIBITIVE FOR US. >> NOT ONLY THE FENCING, THE INSTALLATION, THE QUALITY, THE STRAIGHT IS, EVERYTHING ALL IN ONE ASPECT. MY LAST QUESTION WOULD BE, WHAT IS YOUR DEFINITION OF OUTSIDE STORAGE? WHAT IS THE PRODUCT?
>> IT IS AN HVAC WAREHOUSING CUSTOMER OR CLIENT OF OURS AND THEY'RE DISTRIBUTING TO SUBCONTRACTORS AROUND THE
METROPLEX. >> SO IT WON'T BE IN THE TRAILER ICED FORMAT. IT WILL BE PALLETIZED AND PERHAPS STORED
THERE UNTIL READY FOR LOADING. >> AND SCREAMED, YEAH.
>> THANK YOU. >> COUNCIL, IS THERE ANY FURTHER
QUESTIONS? >> IF YOU GUYS DON'T MIND , THE USER CAN SPEAK TO THIS A LITTLE BIT BETTER.
>> SPEAK TO WHAT YOUR STORE AND WHY YOU NEED IT.
>> I JUST WANT TO ADD SOME CLARITY TO WHAT WE'RE DOING. MY NAME IS JAMES FULTON AND I'M PRESIDENT OF WIND SUPPLY MIDLOTHIAN, EXTREMELY EXCITED TO BRING A BUSINESS TO THIS TOWN.
SO WE DO STORE HVAC MATERIALS, SUPPLIES, EQUIPMENT, CONTRACTORS WILL DRIVE TO US TO PICK UP THINGS. WE OF COURSE WILL SEND DELIVERIES OUT. IN THAT OUTSIDE STORAGE IT'S FOR 20 FOOT PIECES OF PVC, FOR INSTANCE. THINGS THAT ARE JUST TOO LARGE. ROOFTOP PACKAGE UNITS THAT I SIMPLY CANNOT FIT INTO MY BUILDING. SO WE ARE ON THE CORNER OF LOT 2 B THERE AS IT'S DRAWN OFF AND WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THAT OUTSIDE STORAGE DIRECTLY BEHIND OUR BUILDING. AND I COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND HOW, WHY YOU WANT IT
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ALL THE WAY ACROSS. SO I REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR CONCERNS. I COMPLETELY GET IT. I COMPLETELY GET IT. IF IT MAKES YOU FEEL ANY BETTER, WE'RE THERE IN THE CORNER. WE ARE NOT THERE IN THE MIDDLE. SO AESTHETICALLY I THINK WE CAN DO A GREAT JOB OF MAKING IT LOOK OKAY, AND NOT BE AN EYESORE FOR YOUR CITY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME ABOUT WHATWE'RE DOING? >> CAN YOU POINT OUT, YOU'VE GOT A LITTLE LASER THERE OR SOMETHING, MAYBE?
>> NO LASER. NO LASER. >> THERE WE GO.
>> GOT THE MOUSE. >> YET, SO WE'RE RIGHT HERE AND THIS IS WHERE WE'RE WANTING TO DO OUR STORAGE. AND I'M SORRY,
-- >> NATALIE LITTLE BIT TO THE
EAST SIDE OF THAT. >> TWO STALLS HERE. THAT'S WHERE THE DIVIDING LINE IS OF THE 46,000 SQUARE FEET THAT WE OCCUPY NOW , ACTUALLY 45,700. AND THIS WOULD BE APPROXIMATELY 700,000 SQUARE FEET OF OUTSIDE STORAGE ON THE CORNER.
>> SO ARE YOU, AS IT, TO USE YOUR WORDS, COST PROHIBITIVE, IF WE WERE TO TRY AND MAKE THIS DEAL WORK BY DOING ONE FULL SIDE SO ONLY THAT RIGHT SIDE OF THE DROP IS FOR OUTSIDE STORAGE.
MAYBE NOT THE WHOLE RIGHT AND LEFT SIDE, LOOKING AT THE
SCREEN. >> I WOULD SAY IT'S STILL COST
PROHIBITIVE. >> IT'S GOT TO LITERALLY BE THE
SECTION. >> THE SECTION IN FRONT OF HIM.
THE INTENT WAS TO SCREEN THE OUTSIDE STORED PRODUCT. THAT WOULD BE THE INTENT. I UNDERSTAND WHERE YOU COME FROM.
>> I'M JUST TRYING TO HELP YOU FIGURE OUT
>> THE TENANT IS NOT THE BUILDING OWNER, SO IT'S UNFAIR TO SAY, YOU NEED TO BEAR THE COST OF TAKING THIS FENCE ALL THE WAY DOWN FOR PERMANENT USE. WITH HIM BEING AT THE CORNER, IF THIS EXHIBIT IS CHANGED TO JUST SHOW THE AREA THAT HE WANTS TO STORE EQUIPMENT AND HE'S GOING TO SCREEN IT WITH THEM BEING ON THE CORNER, AND WE ARE NOT APPROVING THE WHOLE REST OF IT, SIGHT UNSEEN, THEN I DON'T HAVE ANY OPPOSITION TO THAT. THAT'S NOT THE ASK THE FOR US TONIGHT. IT'S NOT ABOUT WHAT YOU NEED.
IT'S ABOUT, HEY, CAN WE DO IT FOR YOU AND EVERYBODY ELSE BUT WE ARE ONLY GOING TO BUILD YOURS, AND THAT'S WHERE MY HEARTBURN AND CONCERN COMES IN.
>> COMPLETELY UNDERSTOOD . >> I'M ON BOARD WITH IT. I'M JUST NOT IN FAVOR OF APPROVING THE REST OF IT UNTIL WE SEE WHAT'S GOING ON, BECAUSE THE NEXT ONE THAT COMES IN COULD BE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE BUILDING, A 30 FOOT GAP THERE.
>> I APOLOGIZE BUT I ALSO THINK THERE MAY HAVE BEEN A LITTLE BIT OF A MISUNDERSTANDING WHEN THE WORD TREES WAS USED. I THINK IT'S ALSO GOING TO BE MORE, TO EASE SOME OF YOUR CONCERNS, IT WILL BE EVERGREEN SHRUBS, RIGHT? WE FOR SURE WILL COVER THAT.
>> INAUDIBLE ] FROM EVEN YOUR PERSPECTIVE WITH THE LIKELIHOOD
>> SURE AND FUTURE PLANS, THE WIND SUPPLY MODEL IS TO GROW, GROW, GROW. I COME FROM A LONG BACKGROUND OF DOING THIS, SO EVEN THOUGH WE HAVE 46,000 SQUARE FEET NOW, WE WANT TO GROW AND AS SOON AS WE CAN, TAKE OVER THIS SPACE, TOO, AND IT WILL BE MUCH EASIER THAN FOR US TO NOT DOWN ONE ROW HERE AND WE CAN EXTEND THIS OUT, AND WE'LL GROW ALONG WITH THE BUILDING.
>> WAS THERE NOT A SITE PLAN THAT WE LOOK THAT THAT JUST SHOWED THE AREA THAT YOU'RE TAKING? I THINK THERE WAS A SITE
>> NO, THAT JUST SHOWED HIS BUILDING THAT HE WAS GOING TO LEASE, THAT ONE RIGHT THERE. IF YOU LOOK AT THE BUILDING, THAT'S WHAT ROSS IS TALKING ABOUT, IS ALLOWING HIM TO TAKE DOWN THAT LEASE AND THEN APPROVING THAT AREA FOR STORAGE AND I BELIEVE WHAT YOU WERE SAYING, THAT YOU WOULD BE
SATISFIED WITH THAT. >> 100%, BECAUSE THE DIFFERENCE IS, IT'S WHAT CAME FIRST, THE CHICKEN OR THE EGG. I DO NOT WANT TO PUT US IN A POSITION TO WHERE WE HAVE SOMETHING APPROVED THAT GIVES THE ILLUSION THAT OUTSIDE STORAGE IS APPROVED, BUT THE APPROPRIATE SCREENING THAT WE REQUIRE REALLY EVERYWHERE ELSE IN THIS COMMUNITY HAS NOT BEEN CONSTRUCTED YET, BECAUSE THAT CREATES A SITUATION WHERE SOMEBODY ELSE CAN COME IN NEXT TO YOU AND THEY START STORING THEIR EQUIPMENT OUT THERE BECAUSE THEY SEE WHAT YOU DO , BUT THE FENCE IS NOT UP COMEDY SCREENING IS NOT DONE. IT'S A DETRACTOR FOR YOU, AS WELL, RIGHT? THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. IF YOU'RE ASKING FOR THIS TONIGHT, I'M OKAY WITH THIS. BUT IF YOU'RE ASKING FOR THE
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WHOLE REST OF IT, WITHOUT US BEING ABLE TO KNOW THAT THE FENCE AND THE SCREENING IS GOING TO BE IN BEFORE THE STORAGE, THAT'S WHERE I HAVE A PROBLEM, RIGHT?>> YOU GUYS DON'T MIND, I WOULD LIKE TO CHANGE THE ASK TO THE SCREEN, THE OUTSIDE STORAGE IS ONLY ALLOWED IN THE NECESSARY STALL FOR WIND SUPPLY AND THE SCREENING --
>> BEFORE THAT, ANNA, YOU HAD A LIGHT ON. DO YOU HAVE A
QUESTION? >> I WAS GOING TO ASK JOE IF
THAT'S WHAT THEY WANT. >> ITSELF, WE HAVE TO AMEND THE EXHIBIT TO SHOW THAT. IT COULD BE ONE OF TWO THINGS. OBVIOUSLY JUST TABLE THE ORDINANCE, BRING THE ORDINANCE BACK ON THE NEXT AGENDA WITH THE SITE PLAN SHOWING THIS AREA, OR WE COULD TRY TO WORDSMITH IT TONIGHT AND APPROVE IT WITH AN AMENDMENT AS SHOWN ON EXHIBITS A TO.
>> A 10. IT WOULD REMOVE THAT DESCRIPTION OF THE PROPERTY AND REPLACE IT WITH LETTER A 2.0 SITE PLAN IF WE WANT TO DO THAT.
>> STAFF APPROVAL TO GET THAT SITE PLAN AND CONFIRM --
>> WE'VE GOT IT SAY WE ARE GOING TO IMPROVE IT WITH THIS IS THE EXHIBIT.
INAUDIBLE ] >> WE WOULD ALSO HAVE TO AMEND SECTION A 10, SECTION 1 LETTER A 10, THE ONLY ON LOTS
SCRAP THAT ENTIRE PARAGRAPH. >> BUT IF WE ALLOW ON ONE,
THOUGH -- >> TO BE ALLOWED ON WHAT IS
REFERENCED AS A 2.0. >> TO BE.
>> YES, AS DEPICTED IN THE SITE PLAN. NOT THE ENTIRE BLOCK OR
QUESTION? >> I'M GOOD WITH IT. JUST TO CLARIFY FOR Y'ALL, I THINK WE WANT TO HELP YOU MAKE SOMETHING HAPPEN. I DON'T THINK IT'S ANYTHING, AGAINST WHAT Y'ALL TRYING TO DO. WE ARE JUST TRYING TO MAKE IT WORK THE RIGHT WAY.
>> DOING THIS IS STRESSFUL ENOUGH AS IT IS.
>> I SEE YOUR LIGHT IS STILL ON.
>> I'VE JUST GOT A MOTION. >> OKAY, SO WE'VE GOT --
>> YOU GOOD ? >> IT'S GOING TO BE APPROVED THE ORDINANCE WITH AMENDMENTS LETTER A 10 TO JUST REFERENCE THE SCREEN WILL BE OUTDOOR STORAGE AND DISPLAY, SCREENING WILL BE VISIBLE ONLY ON LOT 2 B BLOCK 2 B BLOCK B AND THEN EXHIBIT E 2 TO BE REMOVED AND SUBSTITUTE IN THIS EXHIBIT,
WE'LL CALL IT A2 .00. >> DO I HAVE A MOTION?
>> I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE AS PRESENTED WITH THE FOLLOWING AMENDMENTS TO THE DRAFT ORDINANCE SECTION 1 LETTER A 10 SHALL BE AMENDED TO ONLY ON LOT 2 B BLOCK B AND MIDLOTHIAN BUSINESS PARK, ACCORDING TO PLANT THEREOF AND THAT AREA AND THEN WE WILL AMEND AS SHOWN ON ATTACHED EXHIBIT, SITE PLANNING
DETAILS A 2 .00. >> SUBSTITUTED FOR EXHIBIT E 2.
>> CORRECT. >> CAN I ASK A CLARIFYING QUESTION, JOE? IF YOU LOOK AT SECTION B --
>> B 1 POINT >> IT TALKS ABOUT THE BUILDINGS.
IT NEEDS TO REFLECT THE SITE PLAN AND LETTER A 2 --
>> THAT'S FINE. >> SUBSTITUTING E 2 FOR THAT, I
THINK DOES IT . >> THAT SECTION HAS TO CHANGE AS
WELL. >> COUNCIL, WE HAVE A MOTION. IS
>> I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. PLEASE VOTE . ITEM PASSES 5-1.
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>> THANK YOU GUYS. >> THANK YOU.
>> NOW OPENING ITEM 2025-141. >> OKAY. THIS REQUEST IS APPROVAL OF A PLANNED DEVELOPMENT FOR SANDERSON PIPE, PLASTIC MANUFACTURING FACILITY IN THE RAILPORT INDUSTRIAL DISTRICT . THE BASE ZONING IS MEDIUM INDUSTRIAL DISTRICT WITH THE ADDITIONAL BY RIGHT USE OF OUTSIDE STORAGE. BOTH OF THESE
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REQUIRE SU P AND MEDIUM INDUSTRIAL ZONING PER THE COMP PLAN IS INDUSTRIAL MODULE. THERE ARE POLICIES THAT SUPPORT . IT MEETS THE GOALS OF PROVIDING MANUFACTURING, ASSEMBLY, AND WAREHOUSING IN THIS DISTRICT, AND IT'S AN ECONOMIC GENERATOR FOR THE LOCAL ECONOMY. SO THE PROPERTY IS SURROUNDED BY INDUSTRIAL ZONING AND USES . TO THE NORTH YOU HAVE MEDIUM AND HEAVY INDUSTRIAL ZONING. IT'S EITHER UNDEVELOPED OR IT'S PART OF BUCKLEY OIL. TO THE SOUTH YOU HAVE HEAVY INDUSTRIAL FOR PD 167 CARMAX. TO THE EAST YOU HAVE PD 108, WHICH IS THE MARTIN MARIETTA PROPERTY. THIS PORTION IS UNDEVELOPED. AND TO THE WEST YOU HAVE HEAVY INDUSTRIAL WAREHOUSE AND THAT IS ALL CONSISTENT WITH THE SURROUNDING LAND USES. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A DRIVEWAY FOR EMPLOYEES THAT WILL BE SEPARATE FROM THE TRUCK TRAFFIC. YOU HAVE RAILPORT PARKWAY TO THE NORTH AND BNSF RAIL TO THE WEST. RAILPORT IS A MAJOR ARTERIAL, 120 FEET WIDE. THERE WILL BE A SECURITY GATE AROUND THE PERIMETER. THESE ARE THE ELEVATIONS THAT ARE SHOWN. THE OFFICES ARE THE SMALLER AREA AS SEEN HERE, THE SMALLER SCALE, AND THAT IS GOING TO BE ALONG THE KEMPER RANCH CROSSING ROAD.THE BUILDING IS 193,000 SQUARE FEET . ALL THE EXTRUSION AND MANUFACTURING WILL HAPPEN INDOORS. THEY HAVE 70 EMPLOYEES WITH FOUR SHIFTS . THEY DO HAVE OUTSIDE STORAGE. THE MAXIMUM HEIGHT WILL BE 12 FEET. ALL THE OUTSIDE STORAGE WILL BE ON THE CONCRETE SURFACE. IT WILL PROVIDE SCREENING ALONG KEMPER RANCH, WHICH INCLUDES AN EARTH BERM, EVERGREEN SHRUBS, LARGE KENNEDY TREES. THIS IS A 50 FOOT WIDE BUFFER ALONG THE ROADWAY.
THEY HAVE A FACILITIES AND OTHER STATES. WE SAW PICTURES AND THE SCREENING DOES DO A GOOD JOB OF SCREENING FROM THE ROADWAY. SO THIS IS THE LANDSCAPE. THEY DO BEEF UP THE SHRUBS AND THE TREES ALONG KEMPER RANCH CROSSING. THERE'S QUITE A BIT OF DISTANCE FROM THE ADJACENT PROPERTY TO THE WEST SO ADDITIONAL SCREENING ISN'T NEEDED THERE . 17 POSTCARDS WERE MAILED TO PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN 200 FEET. WE DID NOT RECEIVE ANY CORRESPONDENCE. STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL. THERE IS ONE VARIANCE FOR 79 FOOT MAXIMUM BUILDING HEIGHT FOR THEIR SILOS.
PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION RECOMMENDS APPROVAL BY VOTE OF 7-0 ON THIS ITEM. ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS OF STAFF?
>> KENNY, IS THERE ANYBODY SIGNED UP TO SPEAK?
>> DO I HAVE A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING? I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. PLEASE VOTE TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
ITEM PASSES 6-ZERO. WOULD THE APPLICANT LIKE TO SPEAK?
>> JUST LIKE TO THANK COUNCIL FOR THE POSITIVE VOTE TODAY. WE ARE A GROWING COMPANY. WE HAVE LOCATIONS IN FOUR STATES, OVER 300 EMPLOYEES. VERY EXCITED TO BE PART OF THIS COMMUNITY. THE INDUSTRIAL PARK FITS OUR NEEDS VERY WELL AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO CONTRIBUTING TO MIDLOTHIAN WITH THE JOBS AND RESOURCES GOING FORWARD. SO THANKS AGAIN FOR YOUR VOTE. WE GREATLY APPRECIATE
IT. >> COUNCIL, IS THERE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF OR THE APPLICANT? AND/OR A MOTION?
>> UNLIKE THE PRIOR AGENDA ITEM, NOT TO BEAT A DEAD HORSE, I DO APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT ALL THE AREA THAT WILL BE USED FOR OUTSIDE STORAGE IS GOING TO BE SCREENED BEFORE THE STORAGE OCCURS AND I DO APPRECIATE THE AMOUNT OF TIME THAT YOU GUYS HAVE INVESTED WITH OUR STAFF AND WITH OUR COUNCIL TO FIND A QUALITY WAY TO BRING SOMETHING THAT'S A BENEFIT TO THE CITY OF MIDLOTHIAN AND TO YOUR ORGANIZATION. THAT BEING SAID, I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THIS.
>> I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. PLEASE VOTE. ITEM PASSES 6-0.
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>> NOW OPENING ITEM 2025-142. >> GOOD EVENING COUNCIL. WE WILL BE GOING THROUGH AN AREA LOCATED CLOSE TO TOWER ROAD AND MARKET 663 KNOWN AS THOMAS TRAIL PHASE TWO AND THIS IS REQUESTING A REZONE FROM THE SUBJECT PROPERTY, WHICH I BELIEVE IS AGRICULTURAL TO PLANNED OF ELEMENT 173. BASE ZONING WOULD BE SINGLE-FAMILY FOUR AND ALLOW FOR 184 SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL SPACES PER GO AND PRIVATE HOA SPACES TOTALING UP
TO 10 ACRES. >> OKAY. SO LIKE I SAID, THIS IS GOING FROM AG TO SINGLE-FAMILY PD. 184 LOTS ON 81.5 ACRES. 2.26 DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE. THERE IS 10,400 SQUARE FOOT MINIMUM FOR 155 DRILLING UNITS AND 13,500 FOR 29 OF THE DWELLING UNITS. 52.3 ACRES OF THIS LAND IS DESIGNATED COUNTRY MODULAR WITH THE FUTURE LAND USE PLAN AND 29.2 IS DESIGNATED AS RESIDENTIAL LOW-DENSITY. SO RESIDENT RECOMMENDED MAXIMUM DENSITY FOR THE COUNTRY MODULE IS FOR .5 DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE, ONE. TWO ACRES, IN OTHER WORDS. AND FOR THE RESIDENTIAL NEEDED IT'S 3.12 UNITS PER ACRE. THIS IS A PICTURE OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY. YOU SEE MARTIN MARIETTA QUARRY TO THE WEST HERE. TO THE NORTH WE HAVE SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENCES. TO THE SOUTH IS ROSEBUD. TO THE EAST IS THOMAS TRAIL AND CAMELOT ESTATES AND THEN SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENCES AG TO THE WEST AND ALL THESE ARE VARIOUS LAYERS OF DENSITY THROUGHOUT THOSE DIFFERENT DEVELOPMENTS. SO LIKE I SAID, THIS IS 155 WATTS, 10,429 AND 13,500 . MAXIMUM DENSITY HERE IS 2.26 DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE, AVERAGE LOT SIZE IS APPROXIMATELY A THIRD OF AN ACRE. MINIMUM DWELLING UNIT FOR ALL THESE HOME IS 2000 SQUARE FEET. MAXIMUM FRONT ENTRY IS 65 PERCENT. MINIMUM LOT WIDTH IS 80 BY 120 AND MINIMUM FRONT YARD SET BACK IS 25. SO IT WILL PROMOTE, IN OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, ATTRACTIVE, SAFE NEIGHBORHOODS AND EFFICIENT LAND USE. THERE WILL ADD THE PARKS, TRAILS, AND ENVIRONMENTAL GOALS OF INCREASING DIGITAL IMAGING OR THE DIGITAL IMAGE AND IDENTITY OF THAT AREA AND THEN MAINTAINING THE ENVIRONMENTAL RESOURCES AND THEN THE ADJACENT DENSITIES IS WHAT WE WENT THROUGH A LITTLE BIT EARLIER.
THIS IS A SITE PLAN OF THE THOMAS TRAIL PHASE TWO AND AS YOU SEE, TOWER ROAD IS OVER HERE TO THE RIGHT OF THE SITE PLAN HERE. THE INTERSECTION OF TOWER ROAD AND MARKET 63 IS TO THE TOP OF THE NORTH PLAN HERE. WE HAVE A VARIETY OF LOW-DENSITY DWELLING UNITS HERE TO THE WEST AND THEN EVENTUALLY, OF COURSE, THE QUARRY, AND THEN WE HAVE CAMELOT ESTATES UP HERE AND THEN THOMAS TRAIL PHASE ONE TO THE EAST UP THERE. SO THE MAIN INTERSECTION FOR THIS, THE INGRESS FOR THIS AREA WILL BE TOWER ROAD AT FARNAM MARKET 663. TOWER ROAD IS AN 80 FOOT WIDE RIGHT-OF-WAY .1, THERE WILL BE ONE ACCESS POINT THROUGH COPPER LEAF AND THEN EMERGENCY ACCESS THROUGH CAMELOT ESTATES THAT WILL BE GATED WITH AN A/UX BOX ON THERE SO IT WILL BE USED JUST FOR EMERGENCY PURPOSES. THERE IS A TIA THAT WAS REVISED TO REFLECT THE TRAFFIC SIGNAL PROPOSED BY TXDOT AT 663. I BELIEVE, I THINK THAT IS SUPPOSED TO BE UNDER CONSTRUCTION NEXT SUMMER, AM I CORRECT IN THAT? OKAY. 18 MONTHS FROM NOW APPROXIMATELY SO THAT IS WARRANTED AND THEY WILL BE INSTALLING THAT AND THEN WE HAVE SIX FOOT WIDE PERIMETER SIDEWALKS AROUND THE DEVELOPMENT AND THEN FIVE FOOT SIDEWALKS ON THE INTERIOR OF THAT DEVELOPMENT, AS WELL. THEY WILL PROVIDE OFF-SITE PEDESTRIAN ACCESS FOR THE SCHOOL. THAT WASN'T DISCUSSED THE LAST TIME THIS CAME THROUGH. THEY WILL HAVE ADEQUATE ACCESS FROM THIS DEVELOPMENT TO THE ELEMENTARY.
SO THERE IS AN ANTI-MONOTONY CLAUSE, WITH THREE ARCHITECTURAL ELEMENTS ON HERE AND THERE WILL ALSO BE ENHANCED STREETSCAPE ELEMENTS, DECORATIVE ACORNS, STREETLIGHTS, ET CETERA. WE DID NOTIFY 65 ADJOINING PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN 200 FEET. WE HAVE RECEIVED SIX LETTERS OF OPPOSITION, FIVE LETTERS OF SUPPORT. STAFF IS RECOMMENDING DENIAL BASED ON THE LONG,
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STRAIGHT STREET THAT IS ON THE EAST SIDE OF THIS DEVELOPMENT AND THEN THE DENSITY FOR THE DEVELOPMENT IS OVER THE RECOMMENDED DENSITY FOR THE FUTURE LAND USE PLAN. IT WAS DISCUSSED WHEN THE LAND-USE PLAN WAS ADOPTED THAT WE PROVIDE MORE OF A TRANSITION FROM THE QUARRY AND THAT RESIDENTIAL, THE LOW-DENSITY RESIDENTIAL OVER TO THOMAS TRAIL AND THEY DO NOT MEET THAT. SO WITH THAT, THIS WILL KICK THIS OFF TO MIKE AND UNLESS THERE'S A QUESTION FOR STAFF AT THIS POINT.>> NO. WE WILL ASK IF THERE'S ANYBODY TO SPEAK FIRST. SPEAKERS
ON THIS ITEM? >> YVONNE THOMAS.
>> WHETHER OR NOT YOU LIVE IN THE CITY LIMITS AND YOU HAVE
THREE MINUTES. >> I DO LIVE IN THE CITY LIMITS.
1325 TOWER ROAD. SO MY NAME IS IVANA THOMAS AND I SPEAK TO YOU THIS EVENING AS THE OWNER OF A PROPERTY THAT HAS BEEN IN MY FAMILY FOR MORE THAN 60 YEARS. FOR DECADES IT SERVED AS THE HOMESTEAD FOR MY GRANDPARENTS, MY PARENTS, AND ME. BUT NOW THE TIME HAS COME FOR THOUGHTFUL CHANGE . THIS LAND MAY SEEM LIKE JUST AN OPEN FIELD, UNCHANGED AND UNCOMPLICATED, BUT THE REALITY OF OWNERSHIP IS FAR MORE COMPLEX. MY MOTHER AND I ARE THE ONLY MEMBERS OF OUR FAMILY LEFT AND IN RECENT YEARS WE'VE HAD TO MAKE INCREASINGLY DIFFICULT DECISIONS ABOUT THIS PROPERTY.
THE CONSTANT DEMANDS OF UPKEEP AND MAINTAINING ITS UNSUSTAINABLE. SIX MONTHS AGO THIS PROPOSAL WAS FIRST CONSIDERED. SINCE THEN, FIELD HOMES HAS WORKED DILIGENTLY TO ADDRESS CONCERNS AND REFINE THEIR PLANS. I CHOSE TO WORK WITH BLOOMFIELD BECAUSE I BELIEVE IN THEIR COMMITMENT TO THOUGHTFUL DEVELOPMENT THAT SERVES PEOPLE, NOT JUST IN THE HOMES THEY BUILD, BUT IN HOW THEY ENGAGE WITH THE COMMUNITY.
THROUGHOUT THIS PROCESS I'VE COME TO ADMIRE THEIR APPROACH.
THEY LISTEN, COLLABORATE, AND TREAT NEIGHBORS WITH RESPECT.
THERE COMMUNICATION HAS BEEN CLEAR AND CONSIDERATE, AND THEY'VE SHOWN REAL DEDICATION TO MIDLOTHIAN'S FUTURE, WHICH IS SOMETHING WE CAN ALL FEEL PROUD OF. THERE HAVE BEEN CONCERNS ABOUT TRAFFIC AND INFRASTRUCTURE. TXDOT HAS APPROVED THE INSTALLATION OF A TRAFFIC SIGNAL AT THE INTERSECTION OF 663 AND TOWER ROAD, WHICH IS EXPECTED TO BE OPERATIONAL WITHIN THE NEXT 12 TO 18 MONTHS. THIS IMPROVEMENT WILL ADDRESS SAFETY AND ACCESS ISSUES FOR THE FIRE STATION, SCHOOL, AND NEARBY NEIGHBORHOODS. IT IS ALSO IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT 663 IS A STATE ROAD AND LOCAL PROJECTS SHOULD NOT BE PENALIZED AS OF ISSUES OUTSIDE OF THEIR CONTROL.
THE COMPLETION OF THIS PROJECT EXPECTED TO TAKE SIX YEARS OR MORE. CHANGES WILL HAPPEN GRADUALLY. MY GRANDPARENTS WERE THE FIRST OF MY FAMILY TO OWN THIS LAND AND THEY FACED THEIR OWN CHALLENGES WHEN THEY PURCHASED IT, NONE LESS STRESSFUL THAN THE ONES WE FACED TODAY BUT REPRESENTATIVE OF A DIFFERENT PERIOD. THEY UNDERSTOOD THE RESPONSIBILITY THAT COMES WITH OWNERSHIP AND WORKED HARD TO MAKE THE MOST OF THIS POVERTY. I BELIEVE THEY WOULD SEE THIS STEP NOT AS AN END BUT AS A CONTINUATION OF THEIR LEGACY AND MEETING TODAY'S NEEDS WHILE HONORING THE PAST. THIS PROPOSAL OFFERS A RESPONSIBLE AND FORWARD-LOOKING WAY TO CARRY THAT LEGACY INTO THE FUTURE. I RESPECTFULLY ASK FOR YOUR SUPPORT IN ALLOWING THIS LAND TO GROW AND CHANGE IN A WAY THAT SERVES LOTHIAN'S FUTURE, JUST AS IT HAS SUPPORTED MY FAMILY'S PASSED. THANK YOU.
>> ANYBODY ELSE? >> CASEY CHESHIRE.
>> CASEY, WHETHER OR NOT YOU LIVE IN THE CITY LIMITS YOU HAVE
THREE MINUTES. >> CASEY CHESHIRE, 1130 CARDINAL COURT I DO LIVE IN THE CITY LIMITS. I'M WEARING MY CITIZEN HAT NOW SO ACTUALLY MY BACK LAWN HITS AT THE INTERSECTION OF WESTFALL AND TOWER ROAD SO I HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SEE THIS STRETCH QUITE A BIT. I DO WANT TO SAY BEFORE I GET TO MY PUBLIC COMMENTS, I'D WANT TO GIVE KUDOS TO IVANA. SHE ACTUALLY SOUGHT OUT AND REACHED OUT TO ME AT MIDLOFEST, ACTUALLY FOUND THE. I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU DID THAT. MIKE COLLINS VOICED SEVERAL CONCERNS AND THEY HAVE REALLY GONE ABOVE AND BEYOND .
TO ANSWER SOME QUESTIONS, I HAD QUESTIONS ABOUT THE INSTALL OF THE TRAFFIC LIGHT. MIKE TOOK IT UPON HIMSELF TO GET TXDOT HIMSELF AND FORWARD THAT INFORMATION ON. SAME THING WHEN WE ACTUALLY TRIED TO HAVE A LOT OF CONCERNS ABOUT THE INFLUX OF TRAFFIC THAT WILL DRIVE NOT ONLY ON TOWER ROAD NECESSARILY INTO MCALPINE, KIND OF GOES THROUGH THE HEART OF ROSEBUD. THEY'RE TRYING TO DIVERT AND GET AWAY FROM THAT TRAFFIC SIGNAL. SO HE DID ORDER SOME TESTS AT TIMES. WE GOT SOME NUMBERS, AT LEAST SEE WHAT WAS ON A FIRST. I'M NOT CONVINCED QUITE YET BUT ANYWAYS, I DO FEEL LIKE THIS IS SOMETHING WE CAN LOOK AT CONTINUALLY GOING FORWARD BUT I WILL JUST SAY IN TRANSPARENCY THEY'VE DONE A GOOD JOB OF ANSWERING QUESTIONS THAT I'VE HAD. I STILL COME UP HERE IN OPPOSITION OF THIS PARTICULAR
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PROPOSAL JUST BASED ON THE DENSITY. IT IS OUTSIDE OF OUR FUTURE LAND USE FOR OUR CONFERENCE OF PLAN. I DO FEEL LIKE THEY'RE DOING SOME THINGS DIRECTLY, TRYING TO ANSWER A LOT OF THESE QUESTIONS BUT I STILL AM CLOSE TO IT. THANKS FOR YOURTIME. >> NED AND JEANNIE MONGER.
>> HELLO SIR, WHETHER OR NOT YOU LEAVING THE CITY LIMITS AND YOU
HAVE THREE MINUTES. >> I'LL PROBABLY TAKE MY WIFE'S TIME, TOO. WE DO LIVE WITHIN CITY LIMITS, 4641 FM 663.
WE ARE THE LONG, NARROW PIECE IN BETWEEN CAMELOT AND THOMAS TRAILS WOOD. WE PROBABLY ARE -- SOME PEOPLE MIGHT ARGUE WITH THIS BUT I THINK WE ARE PROBABLY THE MOST IMPACTED BY THIS PROJECT AND THE FIRST PROJECT. OVER 1500 FEET OF MY PROPERTY LINE ABUTS THE WILLIS AREA AND WE HAVE LIVED THERE FOR 26 YEARS, AND WE'VE GOTTEN TO KNOW THE WILLIS IS QUITE A BIT. BUT I WANT TO PARTICIPATE. WHEN WE MOVED OUT HERE, THIS IS WHAT WE HAD. THIS IS A PICTURE OF A MUCH YOUNGER ME RIDING ON THE WILLIS PROPERTY. THIS IS HOW WE FIRST MET DOUG, IS HE WAS THE PHARMACIST IN TOWN, AND WE ARE HAPPY TO LEARN THAT HE WAS OUR NEIGHBOR. SO WE WERE ABLE TO RIDE OUR HORSES THROUGH HIS PROPERTY WITHOUT ANY PROBLEMS AND YOU SEE IT WITH JUST OPEN FIELDS, AND A LOT OF BEAUTIFUL WILDFLOWERS DURING THE SPRING.
BUT ALSO, DURING OUR 26 YEARS HERE, WE'VE WITNESSED LOTS OF CHANGES AND ALMOST EVERY TIME WE HAD COME TO A COUNCIL MEETING IN THE EARLY DAYS, WE WERE INTERESTED IN WHAT'S GOING ON.
WE WOULD HEAR PEOPLE TALK ABOUT, TALK TO YOU AND FORMER COUNCIL ABOUT, WE WANT TO KEEP THE COUNTRY FEEL AND I'M HERE TO TELL YOU RIGHT NOW THAT ONE OF THE THINGS I'VE LEARNED OVER THE LAST 26 YEARS IS THINGS ARE HAPPENING. AND THAT HORSE HAS BEEN OUT OF THE BARN FOR A LONG, LONG TIME. SOME OF THE CHANGES THAT WE'VE COME TO ACCEPT IS -- AND WE KNOW THIS IS COMING BECAUSE, FIRST OF ALL, WHEN WE MOVED HERE THERE WERE 7000 PEOPLE. AND NOW THERE'S OVER 40,000. WE NO LONGER ARE ABLE TO BACK OUT OF OUR DRIVEWAY RIGHT ON TO 663. NO LONGER SEE ANY OPEN LAND. NOW WE SEE BRANDY RIDGE, ROSEBUD, CROSSING, STATE FIRE STATION NUMBER THREE, SELF STORAGE, BOSTON FARMS, AND A HANDFUL OF CHURCHES. AND WE CAN NO LONGER DRIVE STRAIGHT DOWN TO 875 BECAUSE NOW THERE'S A STOPLIGHT. THERE'S GOING TO BE ANOTHER ONE. BUT OVERALL, THIS IS WHAT WE'VE COME TO BELIEVE
IS CHANGE IS HAPPENING AND -- >> I'LL LET YOU HAVE YOUR WIFE
'S TIME POINT >> I'LL HAVE MY WIFE'S TIME SINCE SHE WROTE THIS FOR ME, BECAUSE I TEND TO WANDER A LOT.
SHE WANTS TO KEEP GUIDE RAILS. WE'VE KNOWN THE WILLIS'S FOR A LONG TIME AND WE'VE WATCHED THEM GROW UP ON THE LAND. WE ALSO FEEL THAT IVANA HAS BEEN A GOOD STEWARD OF THE LAND SHE INHERITED. SHE'S BASICALLY, WHEN SHE GOT IT SHE JUST HAD ABOUT THREE CHOICES. KEEP IT AS IS AND KEEP PAYING THE TAXES AND INSURANCE AND UPKEEP, TRY AND RENT OUT THE TWO HOMES THAT ARE THERE, AND FRANKLY, AS A FORMER LANDLORD, WE ADVISED HER AGAINST THAT, ESPECIALLY, YOU KNOW COME IN TERMS OF WHAT TENDS TO HAPPEN TO YOUR PROPERTY. OR SHE COULD MAYBE SELL TO A DEVELOPER. WE HAVE SEEN HER STEP UP TO TAKE THE RESPONSIBILITY THAT HAS BEEN THRUST UPON HER AND SHE'S PROBABLY LEARNED ENOUGH TO JUST ABOUT GET A DEGREE IN RURAL PLAN DEVELOPMENT THROUGH THE OLD SCHOOL OF HARD KNOCKS. SHE'S BEEN ACTIVELY INVOLVED WITH BLOOMFIELD AND A VARIETY OF THE CITY DEPARTMENTS. SHE'S GONE DOOR TO DOOR TALKING TO NEIGHBORS. THE DEVELOPERS HAVE BEEN OUT TALKING TO ALL OF US AND ADDRESSING -- TRYING TO ADDRESS THE MAJOR CONCERNS. AND ADJUSTING. WE'VE SEEN BLOOMFIELD AND IVANA ADJUST THEIR PLANS QUITE A BIT. AND AS IT TURNED OUT, THE PEOPLE IN THOMAS TRAILS NUMBER ONE TURNED OUT TO BE GOOD NEIGHBORS. WE HAD A GOOD RELATIONSHIP WITH THE DEVELOPER. ANY PROBLEMS THAT AROSE, PEOPLE WOULD COME AND
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TALK TO US. WE WORK IT OUT. I'VE BEEN IMPRESSED BY THE PEOPLE I'VE MET AT FIELD. AND THE KINDS OF THINGS THEY'RE WILLING TO DO TO HELP OUT THE NEIGHBORHOOD. WITH THE ADDITION OF A TRAFFIC LIGHT AT TOWER, AND THE IMPENDING 663 EXPANSION, AND A VERY POSITIVE EXPERIENCE DEALING WITH BLOOMFIELD, AND DEALING WITH THE WILLIS'S AND NOW WITH IVANA, WE BELIEVE THE CRUCIAL CONCERNS AGAINST THIS DEVELOPMENT HAVE PRETTY MUCH BEEN SATISFIED. SO THEREFORE MY WIFE AND I STRONGLY RECOMMEND THAT YOU APPROVE OF THE THOMAS TRAILS 2.>> THAT'S IT . >> OKAY, WE WILL GO AHEAD AND CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. DO I HAVE A MOTION TO CLOSE THE
>> SECOND. >> PLEASE VOTE. PASSES 6-0.
PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW CLOSED. DOES THE APPLICANT WANT TO MAKE A PRESENTATION, OR STAFF QUESTIONS?
>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. MY NAME IS MIKE COLLINS REPRESENTING BLOOMFIELD HOMES. MY ADDRESS IS 1806 SUMMIT RIDGE DRIVE IN EULESS. I'M ALSO JOINED BY THE PRESIDENT OF BLOOMFIELD HOMES, DON DYKSTRA, AS WELL AS TWO ENGINEERS WITH GM CIVIL. WE ARE GOING TO DO A LITTLE BIT OF A TAGTEAM ON THE PRESENTATION .
THE ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER GAVE A VERY DETAILED PRESENTATION, SO WHAT WE'D LIKE TO DO WITH OUR BRIEF TIME WITH YOU IS HIGHLIGHT CERTAIN ASPECTS OF THE DEVELOPMENT WE HOPE WILL BE A COMPLIMENT TO THE PRESENTATION THAT CLYDE GAVE. WILL THIS HELP ME ADVANCE? AWESOME. WHEN WE WERE BEFORE Y'ALL BACK IN OCTOBER, WE -- OBVIOUSLY THE PROJECT WAS DENIED. SINCE THAT TIME WE'VE PUT A LOT OF TIME AND EFFORT INTO THIS PROJECT, AND WE REALLY APPRECIATE THE PRIVILEGE OF BEING ABLE TO APPEAR BACK BEFORE YOU, FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION. SINCE THAT TIME, WE'VE DECREASED THE DENSITY FROM 2.84 TO A LITTLE OVER 2.2 WHILE ALSO INCREASING THE LOT SIZE FROM A LITTLE OVER 10,000 SQUARE FEET TO A LITTLE OVER A THIRD OF AN ACRE. WE ARE PROPOSING 184 LOT SUBDIVISION. 29 OF THOSE WOULD BE OVER A HALF-ACRE OR GREATER WITH REMAINDER OF THE LOTS BEING 80 BY 130. WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO DO IS HIGHLIGHT AND PROVIDE A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAIL ON DIFFERENT ASPECTS OF THE DEVELOPMENT THAT WE DIDN'T GO INTO AS MUCH DETAIL IN THE OVERVIEW. I WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT AS PART OF THE LOT CONFIGURATION, YOU WILL NOTICE THAT WE'VE ALSO FRONTED HALF-ACRE LOTS ONTO TOWER ROAD. WE THOUGHT VISUALLY THE APPEARANCE OF DRIVING DOWN TOWER ROAD, IT MIGHT BE MORE ATTRACTIVE TO SEE THE LANDSCAPING ON THE FRONT YARDS AND AN EXTENSION OF THE MASONRY SCREENING WALL ALONG THE LENGTH OF TOWER ROAD. THESE WOULD INTEND TO BE FRONT ENTRY. THE QUESTION THAT THAT WOULD PROBABLY BEG IS, WOULDN'T THAT CREATE THE POTENTIAL FOR CARS TO BACK OUT ON TOWER ROAD? NO, THE PROBLEM WOULD BE, WE WOULD MAKE AVAILABLE ON THOSE HALF-ACRE LOTS, WOULD BE SIDE ENTRY AND THE DRIVEWAYS WOULD BE CONFIGURED IN A T OR A HAMMERHEAD THAT WOULD ENABLE, INTERNAL TO THE LOT, THE CARS TO TURN AROUND AND BE ABLE TO EXIT FORWARD BACK ON TO TOWER ROAD AS OPPOSED TO AGAIN BACKING ONTO THAT. THERE WOULD BE TWO DOUBLE DRIVES ONTO TOWER ROAD. THE WESTERNMOST LOT WOULD HAVE HAD A SIDE ENTRY DIRECTLY OFF OF STREET C. SO AGAIN, THE ROAD WOULD BE TWO DOUBLE DRIVES THAT WOULD BE LOCATED ON TO TOWER ROAD AND IN OUR DISCUSSIONS WITH STAFF AND UNDERSTANDING WHAT THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE MIGHT BE, WE WOULD DEAL WITH THAT DURING THE PLATTING PROCESS.
>> THIS IS A CLOSE REVIEW OF THE FIRST STREET AS YOU'RE GOING WESTBOUND ON TOWER ROAD. YOU WOULD ENTER THE SUBDIVISION.
THESE ARE TWO OF THE OPEN SPACE LOTS. THE LOT THAT WOULD BE ON THE EAST SIDE, WE'VE BEEN IN COORDINATION WITH THE HOMEOWNERS
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ASSOCIATION OF THE PHASE ONE OF THOMAS TRAIL AND OUR PLAN WOULD BE TO CONNECT THAT WITH THE EXISTING PLAYGROUND THAT EXISTS AS PART OF THAT PHASE ONE, AND INSTALL A NEW SHADE STRUCTURE OVER THAT PLAYGROUND, AND MAKE THAT BASICALLY A SINGULAR LOT.THE WESTERN SIDE , AND I WANTED TO MAKE A QUICK MENTION THAT IT'S UP TO THE ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER HAD ALSO MENTIONED, THAT WITH THE THOMAS TRAIL HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION, WE ARE ABLE TO WORK WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY TO GET AN AGREEMENT THAT WOULD SATISFY THE LEGAL REQUIREMENTS RELATED TO THE DEDICATION OF A PEDESTRIAN EASEMENT THAT WOULD ENABLE THE SIDEWALK TO BE DEDICATED, THAT WOULD ENABLE THAT SIDEWALK TO CONNECT WITH CHARISMA, WHICH HAS GOTTEN THE EXISTING CROSSWALK THERE, THAT WOULD TAKE YOU SELF INTO THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL. THE OPEN SPACE THERE ON THE WEST SIDE WOULD INTEND TO BE THEMED AS OUR ACTIVE PORTION OF THAT, THAT WOULD FEATURE BASKETBALL AND PICKLE BALL, AND OUTDOOR PING-PONG AND OTHER TYPES OF ACTIVITIES THERE WITH HEAD IN PARKING THAT WOULD BE MADE AVAILABLE THERE ON THAT REQUEST CORNER. AS YOU ARE MAKING THAT ENTRANCE THERE ON THE WEST SIDE, YOU WOULD ALSO SEE THE FINE ENTRYWAY FEATURES IN THE SUBDIVISION. YOU'RE LOOKING AT A PICTURE OF THE MONUMENT THAT WOULD BE PROVIDED WITH THE THOMAS TRAIL AND THEN YOU CAN SEE -- WE CAN STAND IN THE WROUGHT IRON FENCING THAT WOULD THEN MATCH THE WROUGHT IRON FENCING THAT EXISTS AS PART OF THE THOMAS TRAIL PHASE ONE. AS YOU EXTENDED NORTH ON STREET LETTER A YOU WOULD GET TO ANOTHER OPEN SPACE AREA THAT THE THEME AS A DOG PARK. IF YOU COME TO THE WEST SIDE OF THE DEVELOPMENT ON THAT ENTRYWAY, THERE ON THE WEST SIDE WE WOULD HAVE ANOTHER OPEN SPACE AREA THAT WOULD BE MORE OF A PASSIVE NATURE, THAT WOULD BE TREE-LINED WITH BENCHES AND SHRUBS, IF YOU WERE TO EXTEND NORTH ON STREET C WE WOULD SEEM THAT OPEN SPACE AREA INTO A LIBRARY KIOSK AND JUST AN OPEN SPACE AREA THAT'S NOT PROGRAMMED. IS JUST SO THERE WOULD BE SOME AVAILABLE OPEN SPACE FOR THE KIDS TO JUST TOSS A FRISBEE OR THROW THE FOOTBALL, OR WHATEVER IT MIGHT BE. WE WOULD HOPE THAT IF THE ZONING IS APPROVED DURING THE TIME THAT WE ARE DEVELOPING THE CIVIL CONSTRUCTION PLANS, THAT WE WOULD HAVE OPPORTUNITY TO REALLY FLESH OUT ALL OF THE DETAILS ASSOCIATED WITH THE THEME HOA.
SO THAT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE THE TRANSITION FROM THE CIVIL ENGINEERING PLANS TO BRENT CALDWELL, WHOSE WITH THE GM.
HE'S GOING TO HAVE TO SHARE SOME COMMENTS IN THESE TALES ON THE PRELIMINARY DRAINAGE PLAN AND THEN FOLLOWING RENT'S COMMENTS, MATT BALKY IS GOING TO SHARE SOME COMMENTS RELATING TO THE TIA AND BENEFITS OF THE TRAFFIC SIGNAL INSTALLATION
THERE AT 663 AND TOWER ROAD. >> GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL. BRENT CALDWELL, 2559 SOUTHWEST GRAPEVINE PARKWAY, GRAPEVINE, TEXAS. AS PART OF THE FIELD TEAM LOOKING AT THIS DEVELOPING, WE WORKED CLOSELY WITH MIKE ADAMS AND HIS STAFF. WE'VE UNDERSTOOD FROM THE BEGINNING THAT DRAINAGE WAS A CONCERN FROM MOST OF OUR NEIGHBORS ON ALL SIDES OF US, SO WE'VE WORKED PRELIMINARY ANALYSIS TO IDENTIFY DETENTION THAT WOULD BE PROVIDED IN THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF THE DEVELOPMENT, THE SOUTHEAST OWNER, AS WELL AS THE SOUTHWEST CORNER'S OF THE PROPERTY THAT WOULD PROVIDE DETENTION, THAT WOULD DETAIN FLOWS THAT WOULD BE RELEASED AT CAPACITIES OF THE RECEIVING BODIES DOWNSTREAM
RIGHT NOW. >> THESE ARE JUST SOME OF THE ALTERNATIVES WE LOOKED AT IN TERMS OF OFF-SITE DRAINAGE IMPROVEMENTS. MIKE AND HIS TEAM AT BLOOMFIELD HAVE REACHED OUT TO THE MAJORITY OF THE NEIGHBORS ON SITE TO DISCUSS POSSIBLE DRAINAGE IMPROVEMENTS FOR SOME OF THE ISSUES THAT THESE HOMEOWNERS CURRENTLY EXPERIENCE BECAUSE OF THE DRAINAGE.
>> GOOD EVENING, COUNCILMEMBERS. MATT BALKY WITH GM CIVIL. SO MY MAIN ROLE IN THIS IS PERFORMING THE TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS AND
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MY MAIN REASON FOR BEING HERE TONIGHT IS TO HIGHLIGHT THE FACT THAT WE NOW ARE GOING TO HAVE A SIGNAL INSTALLED AT 663 AND TOWER. ALMOST EVERYBODY BEFORE ME HAS ALREADY HIGHLIGHTED IT.IT PROBABLY GOES WITHOUT SAYING THAT ADDING A TRAFFIC SIGNAL AT THAT INTERSECTION IS GOING TO BE A BENEFIT FOR NOT ONLY THIS COMMUNITY, BUT THE RESIDENTS IN THE AREA OF EAST TOWER ROAD, TO ACCESS 663. SO I'LL BE ABLE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS Y'ALL MIGHT HAVE ABOUT THAT BUT THE SIGNAL IS CERTAINLY GOING TO MAKE A BIG DIFFERENCE FOR THE RESIDENTS USING POWER.
>> THANK YOU. >> I BELIEVE THE CITY SECRETARY HAS DISTRIBUTED A COUPLE OF BROCHURES THAT Y'ALL HAVE BEFORE YOU, INCLUDED WITH THAT INFORMATION ALSO IS A PRICE QUINTILE THAT RESIDENTIAL STRATEGIES HAD PUT TOGETHER. I BELIEVE MR. DYKSTRA, DURING THE LAST MEETING THAT WE HAD WITH YOU IN OCTOBER, SHARED THE SAME INFORMATION THAT, IN A TYPICAL YEAR THERE'S ABOUT 50,000 HOMES THAT ARE BUILT THROUGH DFW.
THESE REPRESENT FIVE DIFFERENT PRICE POINTS FOR THOSE HOMES THAT ARE SOLD AND IF YOU LOOK IN THAT FOURTH COLUMN, IN THAT COLUMN THAT'S LABELED AS THE 450 TO OVER $550,000 PRICE VALUE. BLOOMFIELD HOMES IS NUMBER ONE IN THAT MARKET SEGMENT. IF YOU LOOK AT THE LAST QUINTILE OF HOMES THAT ARE OVER 550,000, BLOOMFIELD IS SIXTH ON THAT LIST. THIS BROCHURE THAT WE ARE SHOWING YOU IS REALLY SIGNIFICANT FOR AT LEAST ONE REASON, AND THAT'S THAT, AS THE BUILDER WE CAN REPRESENT TO YOU, THIS IS WHAT IS GOING TO BE BUILT IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. THERE ARE PERHAPS SOME TIMES WHEN DEVELOPERS COME BEFORE YOU AND THEY MIGHT NOT KNOW EXACTLY WHO THE HOMEBUILDER IS GOING TO BE.
WELL, WE ARE THE HOMEBUILDER AND THIS IS THE QUALITY OF THE PRODUCT THAT WE INTEND TO CONSTRUCT IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD.
AS YOU LOOK THROUGH THESE VARIOUS PICTURES, WE HOPE THAT SOME OF THE ELEMENTS THAT YOU SEE IS THAT THERE ARE A VARIATION OF BRICK AND STONE EXTERIORS, THAT YOU CAN SEE THAT THERE'S A VARIATION IN THE GARAGES THAT ARE CONSTRUCTED IN THE HOME. YOU COULD SEE THE VARIATIONS IN WHERE THE FRONT PORCH IS PLACED. SOME WILL HAVE BACK PORCHES INSTEAD OF THE FRONT PORCHES. YOU CAN SEE THAT THERE ARE DIFFERENT GARAGE CONFIGURATIONS AGAIN, DIFFERENT FRONT PORCHES, DIFFERENT VARIATIONS IN THE USE OF BRICK AND STONE. YOU'VE GOT DIFFERENT GARAGE STYLES FROM YOUR TWO STORY TO YOUR SWING, TO A THREE-STORY. ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF THE VARIOUS ELEVATIONS THAT SHOW THE MIXTURE OF THE BRICK AND STONE WITH THE DIFFERENT LOCATIONS OF THE FRONT DOOR. FOR EXAMPLE, ON THAT BOTTOM RIGHT YOU CAN SEE IT'S ON THE END AS OPPOSED TO THE PICTURE ABOVE THAT, IN THE MIDDLE. THESE ARE THREE EXAMPLES OF THE THREE-CAR GARAGE, VARIATIONS THAT CAN BE OFFERED BECAUSE OF THE LARGE LOTS THAT WILL EXIST WITHIN THIS SUBDIVISION, BASED ON THE LOT LAYOUT. WE REALLY SPEND AS MUCH TIME ON THE INTERIOR FEATURES AS WE DO ON THE EXTERIOR. WE ARE VERY, VERY PROUD OF THE OPEN DESIGNS THAT ARE INCORPORATED INTO THEIR. THESE PICTURES ARE SHOWING YOU, HOPEFULLY, THAT WITH ALL OF THE WINDOWS YOU CAN SEE THE NATURAL LIGHT THAT GETS INTO THE INTERIOR, THE VARIATIONS OF THE INTERIOR LAYOUTS ALLOW FOR DINING ROOMS TO BE OFFERED . IN THE TWO STORY MODELS YOU CAN SEE THE FLEXIBILITY OF THE DESIGN THAT EXISTS. IF YOU LOOK AT THE TOP OF THE PICTURE THERE ON THE RIGHT, THAT WOULD BE A VIEW OF A GOOD EXAMPLE OF THE KITCHENS THAT COME IN WITH THE GOURMET KITCHEN FEATURES ASSOCIATED WITH THAT. THAT IS ACTUALLY LOOKING OUT ONTO THE FAMILY ROOM AREA T PICTURE. AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE BOTTOM, THAT'S A FULL TABLE. AND IF YOU GO BACK UP TO THAT MIDDLE SCREEN, YOU CAN SEE THAT ON THAT SECOND FLOOR LANDING THERE, THAT TWO STORY, BEFORE YOU GET INTO THE ENTRANCES INTO THE BEDROOM, THAT'S THE LOCATION OF THAT POOL. SO
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THERE'S A LOT OF NEAT FEATURES THAT ARE INCORPORATED INTO THE INTERIOR FINISH OUT OF THESE HOMES THAT WE ARE VERY, VERY PROUD TO BE ABLE TO OFFER. I'M NOT GOING TO READ THIS WORD BY WORD BUT THE WHOLE INTENT OF THIS LAST SLIDE IS TO TELL YOU THAT THESE ARE EXTREMELY ENERGY EFFICIENT HOMES WITH THE VARIOUS ELEMENTS THAT ARE INCORPORATED INTO THE CONSTRUCTION OF THOSE HOMES. WE APPRECIATE YOUR TIME VERY MUCH AND WOULD BE HAPPY TO RESPOND TO ANY SPECIFIC QUESTIONS.>> DON'T GO FAR, JUST IN CASE. COUNCIL, IS THERE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF AND/OR THE APPLICANT ? ROSS.
>> SO THE SOUTHEAST CORNER, I CAN'T REMEMBER WHO DID THE DRAINAGE PART BUT IS THAT A DETENTION AREA OR IS THAT A
PLAYGROUND? >> IT WOULD BE COMBINATION.
IT'S A DETENTION POND DURING A STORM EVENT. IT WOULD FUNCTION PRIMARILY AS A DETENTION POND IN THE SOUTHEAST CORNER, YES.
>> I DON'T KNOW THAT I'VE SEEN ONE OF THOSE SO LIKE SOMETIMES IT'S UNDERWATER AND SOMETIMES IT'S NOT, OR HOW DOES THAT WORK
HE'LL >> AFTER A RAINFALL EVENT YOU'RE GOING TO SEE WATER FOR 24 TO 38 HOURS. WHEN IT'S RAINING IT'S NOT GOING TO BE COMPLETELY DRY, LANDSCAPED AREA, THE KIDS CAN
RUN AND PLAY IN. >> SO IT'S GOING TO BE JUST OPEN PLAY AREA, NOT PROGRAMMED WITH STRUCTURES.
>> I BELIEVE THE SOUTHEAST CORNER, YES.
>> SO THE PLAY STRUCTURES EXIST ON THE OTHER SIDE, PHASE ONE.
THIS WOULD GIVE MORE OF A RATE LONG THAT SOMETIMES UNDERWATER,
>> OKAY, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTOOD THE INTENT ON
THAT. >> ANYBODY ELSE? OKAY. I DO HAVE A COUPLE COMMENTS. IT'S 11 ACRES OF OPEN SPACE SO IT'S ONLY FOUR ACRES -- I WON'T SAY GREEN SPACE BUT PLAY SPACE, UNLESS SOME OF IT IS UNDERWATER OR PARTLY UNDERWATER, DEPENDING ON WHETHER OR NOT THERE'S A RAINSTORM?
>> EXACTLY. SO THE INTENT IS THAT IT WOULD DETAIN THE STORM WATER FOR THAT 24 TO 36 HOURS. IT WOULD BECOME DRY AND THAT SURFACE WOULD BE USED AS THE PLAY AREAS IN THE PROGRAM THEME THAT WE HAVE FOR THE HOA OPEN SPACES.
>> OKAY. MY NEXT QUESTION IS FOR STAFF. SO IF I WAS NICE AND DROPPED IT DOWN TO TWO TRIPS, TO TWO PEOPLE A DAY, THAT'S 736 TRIPS A DAY GENERATED FROM THIS WHAT IF I USED OUR AVERAGE 2.3 PEOPLE PER HOUSEHOLD, THAT'S OVER 1100 TRIPS PER DAY. IS THAT WHAT THE TIA IS SHOWING ON TOWER ROAD?
>> I THINK IT'S 8 TO 10 TRIPS PER DAY PER HOUSEHOLD.
>> PER HOUSEHOLD. >> SIX TRIPS A DAY, TWO PER
PERSON. >> TYPICALLY. HOUSE SO I THINK YOU AVERAGE EIGHT. HOUSE. AND IT'S ABOUT 1400 TRIPS A DAY.
YES SIR, OF COURSE THAT'S IN AND OUT.
>> IF I SEE LIGHTS COME ON I'LL CALL ON YOU BUT I HAVE PEOPLE ASKING QUESTIONS, SO MY OTHER ONE IS ON THE FRONT ENTRY, AND I'M STRUGGLING TONIGHT SO BEAR WITH ME, CLYDE. OUR BASE STANDARDS DON'T ONLY TYPICALLY EXCLUDE METAL GRUDGES SO THERE WOULD BE A VARIANCE TO ALLOW THE 65 PERCENT OF FRONTAGE.
>> THAT IS WRITTEN WITHIN THE PD.
>> THE BASE STANDARD WOULD NOT ALLOW FOR FRONT ENTRY.
>> I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT'S IN OUR ZONING ORDINANCE. I THINK IT CALLS FOR THAT IN OUR COMPANY HAS A PLAN BUT I DON'T THINK IT CALLS SPECIFICALLY IN OUR ZONING ORDINANCE.
>> I THINK IT'S THE, PLAN, YES OR.
>> I HAD ONE OTHER QUESTION BUT I FORGOT TO WRITE IT DOWN SO
I'LL TURN IT OVER TO ANNA. >> CHRIS AND I WERE SITTING HERE, TRYING TO FIND -- ONE THING I'M INTERESTED IN AS FAR AS THE AMENITIES, THE DOG PARK, AND THE AMENITIES COMING IN, IF THERE'S A TIMER TRIGGER. LIKE WE SOMETIMES DO ONCE X NUMBER OF
-- >> I THINK THIS MIGHT BE ONE
PHASE. >> IT WOULD BE ONE PHASE ALL IN,
ALL THE TIME. >> Y'ALL ARE ALSO SAYING, I'VE HEARD IT'S GOING TO TAKE OVER SIX YEARS TO COMPLETE SO CAN YOU TALK TO ME ABOUT YOUR TIMING OF ROLLING IT OUT? BECAUSE THAT'S ALSO A DOUBLE SIDE OF THIS BECAUSE ONE REASON THAT I'M MORE COMFORTABLE BECAUSE OF THE LIGHT COMING IN 18 MONTHS IS BECAUSE Y'ALL TALKED ABOUT THIS IS GOING TO TAKE A WHILE FOR PHASING WHICH IS FINE, BUT WITH THE PHASING I WANT TO MAKE SURE
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THE AMENITIES GET TRIGGERED EARLIER.>> SO IT'S A SINGLE PHASE DEVELOPMENT. ALL OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE ASSOCIATED WITH THE DEVELOPER, THE WATER, THE SEWER, THE DRAINAGE, THE STREETS, ALL OF THAT WOULD BE CONSTRUCTED AS PART OF THE ONE PHASE. THAT WILL ALSO INCLUDE THE DEVELOPMENT OF ALL OF THE HOA OPEN SPACE AREAS. TO YOUR POINT SPECIFICALLY, ALTHOUGH THERE WILL BE 184 LOTS, THE TIMING ASSOCIATED WITH THE COMPLETION OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE WILL TAKE US INTO EARLY 2027. SO WE WILL NOT EVEN HAVE ANY HOMES UNDER CONSTRUCTION UNTIL AFTER THE DATE THAT TXDOT HAS PROVIDED THAT THE SIGNAL WILL BE INSTALLED. AND UNFORTUNATELY ALL 184 HOMES ARE INSTALLED AT A SINGLE TIME. WE TYPICALLY WILL PROJECT 36 TO 40 HOMES WILL BE BUILT PER YEAR, SO OVER 184, WE COULD BE LOOKING AT WHAT, FIVE TO SEVEN YEARS FOR FULL BUILDOUT OF THAT 184 LOT SUBDIVISION. DID THAT ANSWER THE QUESTION?
>> THAT IS WHAT I REMEMBER BUT BACK TO THE AMENITIES PART, I'M NOT SEEING IT DOCUMENTED IN HERE AS TO WHEN THE AMENITIES WILL BE BUILT. LIKE I WOULD LIKE TO SEE X NUMBER OF HOUSES OR SEE HOWEVER WE TRIGGER IT AND THEN X AMENITIES COME ONLINE.
>> YES, WE WILL COMMIT TO THAT. IT'S OUR INTENT TO DEVELOP ALL OF THOSE HOA OPEN SPACES AS PART OF THE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS.
>> AND WHERE I'M GOING -- THE REASON FOR THIS, NOT THAT Y'ALL WOULD EVER DO THIS, BUT DEVELOPERS PROMISING THINGS THAT DON'T COME. WHICH IT'S IN HERE, I THINK ENOUGH, THAT THAT'S CHECKED. BUT LIKE SEVEN YEARS IN TO GET ALL THE HOUSES IN AND THEN A DOG PARK COMES IN. YOU SEE WHAT I'M SAYING? THAT'S MAINLY -- AND WE'VE DONE THAT BEFORE. THIS IS NOT NEW. BUT I'M LOOKING FOR WHAT OUR STANDARD IS AND I'M GETTING A BUNCH OF TYPICALLY I THINK WHAT HAPPENS ON THOSE SCENARIOS ARE THE DIFFERENT PHASES, THE LARGER DEVELOPERS, BRIDGEWATER JUST AS AN EXAMPLE, SO YOU HAVE SUBSEQUENT PHASES. YOU HAVE 100 LOTS A PHASE SO THEY PROMISED TO PUT IT IN WITHIN THIS WHOLE SUBDIVISION OR WITHIN THIS WHOLE DEVELOPMENT, THESE AMENITY CENTERS. BUT YOU GET PHASE ONE, PHASE TWO, PHASE THREE, AND THERE'S NOTHING THERE BUT THEY STILL HAVE THREE OR FOUR PHASES TO GO. I THINK WE ARE SOMEWHAT COVERED IN THIS, JUST THAT WE HAVE ONE PHASE SO IT'S ALL IN AND ALL DONE BUT YOU CAN CERTAINLY PUT TRIGGERS IN THEIR.
>> HAVEN'T WE DONE IT BY CO ACCOUNT OR PERMIT COUNT?
>> LAWSON FARMS IS THE PRIMARY EXAMPLE OF THIS BECAUSE PHASE ONE WAS TWO SUB- PHASES AND THEY WERE CONSTRUCTED APPROXIMATELY SIX YEARS APART, IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY. AND SO, WHAT HAPPENED THERE IS THE AMENITIES THAT WERE SUPPOSED TO BE AS PART OF PHASE ONE WERE DELAYED UNTIL THE SECOND HALF OF PHASE ONE WAS DONE. WE HAVE A FULLY STABILIZED PHASE ONE A AND THEN PHASE 1B CAME IN AND THAT WAS THE MAIN ONE THAT CREATED THAT CONCERN WHERE WE HAD ANOTHER PD SAID HEY, BEFORE YOU GET THE 150TH CO, THIS ONE, 40% OF THE AMENITIES. IT REALLY JUST
DEPENDS ON THE LOT COUNT. >> WE COULD COMMIT TO ALL THE AMENITIES BEING COMPLETED ON OR BEFORE THE 30TH BUILDING PERMIT
IS ISSUED. >> PERFECT . I WANT TO AVOID LIKE, IF I MOVED IN SOMEWHERE, MY KID GRADUATES FROM HIGH SCHOOL BY THE TIME BEFORE THEY CAN PLAY ON THE PLAYGROUND.
>> WE FIELD THOSE COMPLAINTS, TOO , WITH NO REAL ENFORCEMENT MECHANISM IF THERE'S NOT SOME KIND OF CO OR PERMIT COUNT.
>> BECAUSE I DO WANT TO TALK ABOUT IT. BECAUSE IN THE WAY THE ORDINANCE IS WRITTEN, THERE'S A COUPLE PLACES AT LEAST WHERE IT SAYS WITHIN THE PORTION OF THE PROPERTY BEING DEVELOPED. SO EVEN THOUGH YOU'RE SAYING IT'S ALL ONE, IT IS CALLING UP THE ORDINANCE THAT THERE COULD BE PORTIONS OF THE PROPERTY DEVELOP, SO I THINK IF YOU'RE WILLING TO STIPULATE TO THAT WE
COULD CHANGE . >> IS IT ALL AMENITIES BY 30TH
BUILDING PERMIT? >> IT TALKS ABOUT THE SCREENING WELL, THE FENCES, IT TALKS ABOUT THE LANDSCAPING SECTION.
>> WE ARE REALLY -- THE MAIN AREA THAT IT'S BEEN DOCUMENTED FOR THE AMENITIES IS MORE IN THE STAFF REPORT AND NOT THE
ORDINANCE. >> I THINK IN THE MOTION AND JOE
CAN -- >> I JUST HAD A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS. OBVIOUSLY THE BIGGEST CONCERN THAT WE GET IS JUST THROUGHOUT THE COMMUNITY, IS DENSITY. WE KNOW THAT'S
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OBVIOUSLY SOMETHING YOU TRY TO TACKLE WITH IMPROVING THAT DENSITY BETWEEN LAST TIME AND THIS TIME BUT I WAS LOOKING ON THE STREETS, ALONG STREET C, THIS MIGHT BE, WHERE WE'VE GOT THESE IN BLUE THAT ARE 84 LOTS. HAVE YOU GIVEN ANY THOUGHT TO JUST CONTINUING THAT HALF ACRE LOT DOWN TO THE GREEN SPACE? AND IF SO, WHAT -- WHAT'S THE REASON OF JUST HAVING THIS ONE SECTION? IS IT TO MIRROR THE OTHER SIDE AT THE TOP?>> OUR INTENT AS WE MOVED FROM THE EAST SIDE THROUGH THOMAS TRAIL PHASE ONE WAS TO MATCH THE LOTS AND THEN WE COME FARTHER TO THE NORTH AND WE BEGIN THE HALF ACRE LOTS TO MATCH UP WITH THE LARGER LOTS THERE ON THE WEST AND ON THE NORTH AND THEN EXTEND THAT. BY THE TIME WE GET TO THAT SECTION OF BLUE, THERE WAS ONLY ONE RESIDENT AND ONE LARGE AREA. SO FROM ONE PERSPECTIVE, THERE WERE NO LOT LINES TO MATCH UP .
>> BECAUSE I JUST FEEL LIKE IF WE ARE TRYING TO MIRROR AS BEST WE CAN, IT MAKES PERFECT SENSE WHAT YOU'RE DOING HERE ON THE TOP AND WHEN I SAY PERFECT SENSE, COMING FROM A NON-DEVELOPER, NOVICE LIKE MYSELF, ON THE BOTTOM, THOUGH, WHAT I'M SEEING IS IF WE'VE GOT ONE LARGE LOT THERE, IT WOULD SEEM TO FLOW BETTER IF IT WAS LARGER LOTS OF BUTTING UP TO THAT. SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S POSSIBLE TO TWEAK AND IT WOULD LOWER THE DENSITY COUNT SLIGHTLY, WHICH WOULD BE MORE FAVORABLE, I THINK, TO SOME OF THOSE CONCERNS. BUT JUST
SOMETHING I WANTED TO MENTION. >> I THINK AT SOME POINT IT BECOMES ECONOMIC AND I KNOW ECONOMICS ARE SUPPOSED TO DRIVE ZONING BUT I COULDN'T TELL YOU, I THINK PART OF THE REASON FOR THE EMOTION IS THAT SHE HAS SEEN THE VALUE OF HER PROPERTY THE ROAD AS THE DENSITY HAS DROPPED. IF YOU LOOK AT IT FROM THOMAS 1, WITH HINDSIGHT IT SHOULD'VE ALL BEEN ZONED WHEN WE DID THOMAS 1 AND IT WASN'T, AND THEN WE CAME IN AND WE WERE DENIED SO WE DROPPED DENSITY AGAIN. EVERY TIME DENSITY DROPS THE VALUE OF THE PROPERTY DROPS AND IF WE PULL, THESE LOTS ARE GOING TO BE WORTH IN EXCESS OF $100,000, ON THE HOUSE, BASICALLY PULL A LOT OUT OF YOUR, PULLING A COUPLE HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS OUT OF HER POCKET. THAT'S THE ECONOMICS, AND I KNOW THAT ZONING ISN'T DRIVEN ON ECONOMICS BUT IT IS, I WOULD -- I'VE BEEN DOING THIS A LONG TIME. WE'VE BEEN DOING A DOZEN PROJECTS IN MIDLOTHIAN AND AUTUMN RUN AND ALMOST EVERY SINGLE ONE HAS GONE THROUGH THIS SAME PROCESS AND ITERATIONS THAT GET TO IT AND YOU DRIVE THROUGH IT NOW, THEY LOOK GREAT, THEY'RE REALLY HAPPY WITH THEM. I WOULD CHALLENGE ANYBODY, MR. RODGERS, I CAN REMEMBER SOME OF THE HISTORY ON THEM ALL BUT WE PULL A LOT OUT HERE, WE PULL A LOT OUT THERE. IT HAS A BIG ECONOMIC EFFECT BUT WHEN YOU ACTUALLY DRIVE THROUGH THE PROJECT THAT'S COMPLETED, THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT'S COMPLETED, IT'S REALLY HARD TO TELL. THE ONLY PERSON WHO KNOWS IT IS REALLY THE PERSON WHO TOOK THE ECONOMIC HIT FOR IT. SO THE FENCE LINES, AS YOU IDENTIFIED ON THE NORTH, THAT WE FIND THAT MAKES A BIG DIFFERENCE BECAUSE SOMEDAY THESE FENCES GET REPLACED AND IT'S A WHOLE LOT EASIER TO WORK WITH ONE PERSON TO DO IT THAN IT IS TO WORK WITH THREE DIFFERENT ONES. WE'VE MET WITH THE OWNERS ON I GUESS IT WOULD BE THE WEST SIDE AND I THINK WE WORKED IT OUT. WHAT MIKE DIDN'T TALK ABOUT IS WE ARE ABLE TO GET RID OF THAT KIND OF KHALEESI RUTTED ROAD THERE AND FOR PEOPLE FURTHER BACK, IT'S GOING TO IMPROVE THEIR SITUATION. NOW THEY CAN GET THEIR TRASH AND THE MAIL A WHOLE LOT CLOSER TO THEIR HOUSE FOR GOING TO THE FIRE DEPARTMENT IS HAPPY ABOUT IT. THE TRASH PEOPLE ARE HAPPY ABOUT IT. THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS THAT HAVE GONE ON TO I THINK POSITIVELY IMPACT THE NEIGHBORS SO I WOULD SAY THAT I DON'T WANT TO GIVE UP ON THIS BUT IF THE PROPOSAL IS GOING TO BE OR THE MOTION IS GOING TO BE TO REDUCE DENSITY, I THINK WE WOULD REQUEST THAT IT BE TABLED BEFORE WE WOULD DO THAT. I CERTAINLY DON'T WANT TO WITHDRAW IT FROM HER BUT I WOULDN'T WANT TO PUT US IN A SITUATION WHERE WE'VE GOT SOME IMPROVEMENT WE'RE NOT GOING TO
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BE ABLE TO DO. I THANK YOU ALL FOR LISTENING. I KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS TO THINK ABOUT HERE AND I REALLY APPRECIATEHAVING IT. >> A QUESTION FOR YOU, IF I MAY
>> AS WE LOOK AT THIS DRAWING IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S THE SOUTH SIDE.
THAT'S ACTUALLY THE WEST SIDE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. THERE'S A TREMENDOUSLY HEAVY TREE ALONG THE WEST SIDE. TREMENDOUSLY HEAVY. KNOW THAT TREE LINE, IS IT MORE THAN LIKELY THE MAJORITY IF NOT ALL THAT TREE LINE AND FOLIAGE WILL BE LEFT IN PLACE AT
THE BACKS OF THOSE LOTS? >> WE'RE GOING TO SAVE TREES WHEREVER WE CAN, ESPECIALLY IF THEY'RE AT GRADE AND WE HAVEN'T DONE THE GRADING, I'D PROBABLY DEFER. ESPECIALLY ON FENCE LINES, THE BEST TREES FOR US ARE TREES THAT ARE ON FENCE LINES BECAUSE THEY SAY VERY EASILY AND THEY MAKE GREAT BUFFER. OUR INTENT IS GOING TO BE TO SAVE TREES AND PRESERVE THE CHARACTER OF THIS. THIS IS GOING TO FEEL BIG. I THINK THE VARIETY OF LOT SIZE IS GOING TO REALLY END UP BEING A NEAT FEATURE. YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A LOT OF DIFFERENCES ON THE HALF ACRE LOT, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE THE OUTSIDE DRIVEWAYS, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE LOTS AND LOTS OF SWIMMING POOLS GETTING BUILT BECAUSE THE YARDS ARE BIG. HONESTLY I WISH THERE WERE SOME LOTS THAT WERE A LITTLE SMALLER SO WE COULD HIT A WIDER SPECTRUM OF COSTS BECAUSE WE'RE ALSO GOING TO GET SENIORS WHO WANT TO MOVE IN HERE AND THEY REALLY AREN'T GOING TO WANT A 10,000 FOOT LOT. THEY'RE GOING TO BE ASKING US, KIND OF WISHING THEY HAD SOMETHING A LITTLE SMALLER. BUT WE WILL BE SAVING ALL THE TREES WE CAN. FORTUNATELY MOST OF THE TREES ON THIS PROPERTY ARE ON THE PERIMETER, NOT ON THE INTERIOR.
>> SO MY POINT IN WINNING THIS UP, AS THE OWNER OF A FENCE COMPANY FOR MANY YEARS, WHAT I WOULD BE ACCUSTOMED TO SEEING IN THIS TYPE OF SITUATION, THERE'S A FARM FENCE RUNNING THROUGH THAT AREA AND THAT FARM FENCE, BECAUSE IT LONGS TO THAT SMALL PIECE OF PROPERTY IN PERSPECTIVE NEXT DOOR, TYPICALLY NONE OF THAT FOLIAGE IS EVEN TOUCHED . SO YOU CAN'T EVEN -- THIS IS EVEN BETTER THAN A 10 FOOT FENCE. YOU CAN'T EVEN SEE THROUGH THIS FOLIAGE SO THAT WAS MY POINT IN BRINGING THAT UP AND ASKING THE DEPTH OF HOW THAT AREA WOULD DO WORKED WITH. I TYPICALLY SEE WHERE NOTHING HAPPENS TO ANY OF THAT FOLIAGE.
SO I DON'T EVEN SEE THE PROPERTY OWNER AS IT WOULD BE ON THE WEST SIDE AND THERE IS JUST ONE HOME ON THAT SIDE. I DON'T EVEN KNOW HOW THAT WOULD BE PACKED, HONESTLY.
>> MY QUESTION IS MORE FOR STAFF SO IF ANYBODY HAS GOT ANY MORE
FOR THAT. >> THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
>> THANK YOU. >> SO STAFF IS RECOMMENDING NOW FOR NONCONFORMANCE TO FUTURE LAND USE PLAN, THAT IS ONE OF Y'ALL'S PLANKS. DO WE HAVE A CLASSIFICATION IN OUR FUTURE LAND USE PLAN BETWEEN RESIDENTIAL AND COUNTRY MODULE?
>> KNOW WE DO NOT. >> AGREED. SO WE JUMP STRAIGHT FROM WHAT IS CALLING FOR FOUR ACRE LOTS TO WHAT IS CALLING FOR THREE UNITS ACRES IS THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
>> THOSE ARE THE TWO -- THERE'S NOTHING BETWEEN THOSE TWO
PLANKS. >> THAT'S WHY WE DO PDS, SO WE CAN DO TRANSITION LOTS, MORE WITHIN A VARIETY OF THOSE TWO
CATEGORIES, SILOS. >> 1000% AGREE AND WHEN WE DID THE FUTURE LAND USE PLAN DID RESURVEY ENGINEER THE ENTIRE CITY? RIGHT, SO I WANT US TO BE VERY CAREFUL ESPECIALLY WHERE WE HAVE MEDIUM DENSITY RESIDENTIAL, WHICH IS ROSEBUD, DIRECTLY TO THE SOUTH OF THIS PROJECT, DIRECTLY TO THE EAST WE HAVE AN EXISTING CATILINE ESTATES AND A MORE MODERN THOMAS TRAIL PHASE ONE THAT ARE BOTH SIGNIFICANTLY DENSE COMPARED TO WHAT THE COUNTRY MODULE SHOWS. SO I UNDERSTAND MY STAFF MADE THEIR RECOMMENDATION, BUT AS A MEMBER OF THIS BOARD OF GOVERNANCE AND THIS BODY, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE IDENTIFY, ESPECIALLY AS UNIQUE TRACTS THAT ARE BORDERED ON MULTIPLE SIDES BY SIGNIFICANTLY GREATER DENSITY, AS THESE TRANSITION PIECES. AND I THINK THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN WHAT WAS ORIGINALLY PRESENTED AND WHAT IS BROUGHT BACK NOW IS WHAT THE SPIRIT OF THOSE POINTS OF CONTINUITY ARE, BECAUSE WE JUST REALLY -- I'VE BEEN PART OF THIS COMPREHENSIVE PLAN OF EIGHTH AND WE DRAW BIG, GIANT BUBBLES ON DIFFERENT PARTS OF THE MAP. WE SAY THIS SHOULD BE THIS, THIS SHOULD BE THAT, AND THEN WE JUST FIND PROPERTY LINES THAT ESSENTIALLY KIND OF LINE UP WITH THOSE BUBBLES. THIS LINE VERY WELL COULD'VE EASILY BEEN
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ONE PROPERTY LINE TO THE WEST OR ONE PROPERTY LINE TO THE EAST WHEN WE DID THAT MAP. SO FOR ME, I DON'T SEE IT HAS NONCONFORMING. BASED ON MY INTERPRETATION UNDERSTANDING OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. SO I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY AND GETTHAT ON THE RECORD. >> I WOULD AGREE WITH EVERYTHING ROSS SAID AND TO MENTION ON TOP OF THOSE COMMENTS, WHAT WE MENTIONED LAST TIME THIS AGENDA ITEM WAS IN COUNCIL CHAMBERS, I WANT TO SAY IT WAS THE VERY NEXT AGENDA ITEM AFTER THAT WAS THE
COMP PLAN REVIEW AND APPROVAL. >> YOU ARE CORRECT.
>> SO THIS PROPERTY LITERALLY GOT CAUGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF ALL THAT. SO I WOULD AGREE WITH EVERYTHING ROSS HAD TO SAY. I AGREE WITH HIS APPROACH ON APPLICATION.
>> OKAY. >> SO AS A FOLLOW-UP TO THAT, WHAT WAS THE PRIOR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN --
>> PROBABLY COUNTRY MODEL. >> THE ENTIRE -- I THINK THE ENTIRE PROPERTY WAS COUNTRY MODULE. CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG.
>> WE JUST CHANGED IT. >> BUT PRIOR TO THAT, I THINK
THAT WAS YOUR QUESTION. >> YES, I THINK THE ENTIRE
>> KNOW IT WENT FROM COUNTRY MODULE THE ENTIRE SITE TO THE MAJORITY COUNTRY MODULE AND SOME RESIDENTIAL LOW-DENSITY. SO JUST ON THE NORTH -- NORTHEAST SECTION, THANK YOU. 23 ACRES.
THE MAJORITY OF IT IS COUNTRY. >> ORIGINS OF THIS PROPERTY ARE IN THE -- THEY'RE CONFORMING TO WHAT'S IN THE COMPREHENSIVE
PLAN. >> YES SIR. YOU LOOK AT THIS PART, THIS IS THE AREA. TO MR. WEAVER'S POINT, THIS IS Y'ALL'S PLAN AND I MEAN IT IS -- WE DRAW BIG BUBBLES AND THOSE BUBBLES SHIFT EVERY TIME WE MEET, EVERY TIME Y'ALL MEET, AND THEY'RE A GENERAL GUIDE. AND THAT'S WHAT THE FUTURE LAND USE PLAN SAYS ON IT. THIS IS A GENERAL GUIDE FOR DEVELOPMENT.
SO I MEAN -- SO THERE'S JUST NOT A RAZOR BLADE, WE'RE SECTIONING OFF, SAYING THIS IS THIS. THAT'S WHERE ZONING COMES
IN. >> I WOULD JUST MAKE THE COMMENTS OF -- TO THE DENSITY, I MEAN I UNDERSTAND WHAT ROSS AND MIKE ARE SAYING. MY ONLY FOLLOW-UP WOULD BE WHAT'S THE EXCUSE ON THE NEXT TRACT. WE KEEP CONTINUING THIS ENCROACHMENT OF DENSITY THAT'S ABOUT TO BACK UP TO A ROCK QUARRY. AND TYPICALLY ON ANYTHING ELSE WE HAVE SURROUNDING THE ROCK QUARRY IS ACREAGE LOTS BECAUSE WE ARE TRYING TO GET A BUFFER. AND THERE IS ANOTHER 200 ACRE TRACT SOUTH OF THIS THAT CAN BE -- THAT ABUTS ROSEBUD, IS THE ARGUMENT ON THAT 200 ACRE TRACT THAT ABUTS ROSEBUD, THAT IS JUST MEETING THE SAME DENSITY. WHERE DOES THE DENSITY STOP? AND AT THE END OF THE DAY I DO FEEL BAD FOR THAT LANDOWNER. THEY SHOULD HAVE THE RIGHT TO SELL THEIR PROPERTY AND THE ONLY PROPERTY I COULD EVEN BRING UP THAT IS REMOTELY CLOSE TO THIS IS THESE WEREN'T CONVERSATIONS WE WERE HAVING ON ASHFORD . IT WASN'T OH, IT'S SURROUNDED BY TWO ACRE LOTS SO LET'S MAKE A TWO ACRE LOT, THEY CAME IN AT ONE ACRE LOTS AND LET'S MAKE IT FOR A BUFFER. IT'S LIKE IT'S A PICK AND CHOOSE AND I THINK AT SOME POINT WE GOT TO RECOGNIZE THAT THE DENSITY KEEPS ON ENCOURAGING AND YOU'RE ABOUT TO ADD 1200 TRIPS A DAY. 663 IS NOT OUR ROAD BUT TOWER IS. THAT'S STILL 1200, 1300 PEOPLE TRYING TO GET OUT ON TOWER ROAD AND I WOULD SAY THAT'S PROBABLY MY BIGGEST FEAR, IS I DO THINK THAT THEY'VE MADE A GREAT STRIDE BUT I THINK THERE'S STILL SOME MORE THAT NEEDS TO BE GIVEN FOR THIS TO BE A GOOD BLEND FOR MY COMMUNITY. BUT I'M ONE-VOTE, SO WITH THAT, IF SOMEONE HAS GOT ANY MORE DISCUSSION OR A MOTION.
>> MOTION TO CONSIDER THAT ON THIS SIDE OF THE TOWER THERE IS NO WAY THAT HOMES CAN ABOUT THE QUARRY BECAUSE THE VERY WESTERN PROPERTY THAT ABUTS THE QUARRY IS AND THAT WOULD BE RANDY'S DRIVEWAY RUNS UP THAT PROPERTY, SO IT'S BEEN A POSSIBILITY FOR IT TO REACH THE QUARRY AS FAR AS THE OTHER PIECE OF THE PROPERTY TO REACH THE QUARRY SO I WOULD ALSO MENTIONED THAT THERE ARE TWO, THREE OTHER PIECES OF PROPERTY, I WOULD SAY THOSE ARE ABOUT 10 ACRES AT LEAST THAT DIVIDE THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY EVEN BY THE MOUNTAIN PEAK ON THAT NORTH SIDE.
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>> THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING, WINDOWS,, THE EXCUSE ON THESE 10 ACRES WILL BE, WE'VE GOT TO MATCH THE DENSITY WE'VE GIVEN THOMAS TRAIL. IT'S THE CONTINUING THE ENCROACHMENT ALL THE WAY TO OUR BORDERS. BUT I'M ONE-VOTE. IF WE ALL WANT TO HAVE A MOTION WE CAN HAVE A MOTION AND GO ALONG. SO IS THERE A
MOTION? ALAN HAS A QUESTION. >> I'LL MAKE A MOTION.
>> DID YOU WANT TO SAY SOMETHING?
-- >> AMENITIES TO BE COMPLETED BEFORE A BUILDING PERMIT IS ISSUED BEFORE THE 30TH DWELLING
>> JOE, THOSE AMENITIES AREN'T CALLED OUT IN THE LANGUAGE SO WOULD THAT BE EXHIBITS B1, B2 AND B3?
>> THE AMENITIES AREN'T LISTED BUT IF YOU LOOK BACK AT THE EXHIBITS, THAT'S THE OPEN SPACE/POTENTIAL AREAS AND THEN THE LEGEND IT HAS THE DIFFERENT AMENITIES THAT ARE PLACED IN
>> THAT WOULD BE THE SECTION I THINK WE SHOULD INCLUDE THE REQUIREMENT FOR MUST BE COMPLETED PRIOR TO THE 30TH
BUILDING PERMIT BEING ISSUED. >> THAT'S ACTUALLY THE HOMEOWNER OR PROPERTY OWNERS ASSOCIATION. WHY DON'T WE JUST MIMIC THAT IN ANOTHER AREA? AMENITIES AS DEFINED IN EXHIBIT IT'S B1, B2, B3, C1, WHICH INCLUDE NOT LIMITED
] >> EVERYBODY CLEAR ON THE MOTION? WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. PLEASE VOTE. I THOUGHT
>> ROSS DID SECOND. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. PLEASE VOTE. AND IT PASSES 5-1. THANK YOU ALL. Y'ALL NEED A 10 MINUTE BREAK? OKAY. LET'S TAKE A 10 MINUTE BREAK. IT'S 7:57. WE ARE GOING TO RECONVENE AT WHAT IS
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>> IT IS 8:05 AND COUNCIL IS BACK IN SESSION. NOW OPENING
ITEM 143-2025. >> THANK YOU. SO ON APRIL 24TH, MCDC DID RECEIVE A GRANT REQUEST FROM THE PARKS DEPARTMENT TO FUND TWO LANDSCAPE ICONS IN THE AMOUNT OF 128,777 -- LET ME START OVER. $128,770. SO THE REQUEST BEFORE YOU IS TO APPROVE MCDC'S EXPENDITURE. THOSE ARE NOT GOING TO BE ANSWERED BY ME BUT HEATHER IS HERE IF YOU ANSWER OTHER QUESTIONS.
>> TALKED ABOUT THIS, I KNOW WE HAVE TO -- THE ORIGINAL SIGNAGE WE LOOK THAT , DID WE STICK WITH THE SAME PLAN, I GUESS WHAT I'M ASKING, OR DID WE HAVE TO REDUCE IT BECAUSE I GUESS COST
INAUDIBLE ]? >> GOOD EVENING. WE DID NOT CHANGE IT. THESE ARE THE ORIGINAL SIGNS THAT WE WENT THROUGH THE PROCESS OVER TIME AND HAD APPROVED BY COUNCIL. SO THIS IS JUST THE MEDIUM SIGN AND THEN WHEN WE GOT THE BIDS BACK AND WE HAD THE MONEY SITTING ASIDE AND WE KNEW WE PROBABLY WEREN'T GOING TO HAVE ENOUGH, ESPECIALLY AFTER WE WENT MULTIPLE YEARS BEFORE WE DID THIS. AND SO ONCE WE FOUND OUT WHAT THE COST WAS, THEN WE LOOK BACK TO SAY LET'S GO WITH THE MEDIUM SIGN BECAUSE IT FITS THE LOCATION WELL AND THEN SEE IF WE CAN GET THE ADDITIONAL FUNDING TO BUILD TWO SIGNS.
>> SO YOU'VE GOT THE, IS IT SMALL, MEDIUM AND LARGE SIGNS? THEY'RE DESIGNED AND THEN AS WE HAVE THE FUNDING CAPABILITIES WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE TO POP UP MORE AND MORE OF THESE SIGNS THAT WILL MATCH THE ARCHITECTURE WE ARE SEEING HERE AND
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CONSISTENT THROUGHOUT THE CITY.>> YES OR. WE HAVE THE SMALL, MEDIUM AND LARGE. THEY'RE ALL ENGINEERED. WE WANTED TO HAVE A FULL PACKAGE READY TO GO SO WE COULD SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT, WE HAVE A PERFECT SPOT FOR A SIGN HERE, WE SHOULD GO AHEAD AND DO THAT BEFORE THIS DEVELOPMENT COMES IN. ONE SMALL SIGN OR ONE LARGE SIGN, PUT IT UP FOR BID WE DON'T HAVE TO TAKE THE TIME TO ENGINEER. IT'S ALL DONE, ALL STAMPED, ALL READY TO GO. ALL COHESIVE DESIGN UTILIZING MATERIALS THAT THIS COMMUNITY IS KNOWN FOR. STEEL, LIMESTONE AND CONCRETE. SO WE WANTED TO TIE INTO THE HISTORY OF MIDLOTHIAN
WHEN WE CREATED THIS DESIGN. >> YOU DID A GREAT JOB.
>> DO YOU REMEMBER APPROVING THE BUDGET FOR THIS?
>> I REMEMBER WAY BACK IN '14 OR SOMETHING. I REMEMBER WORKING ON THESE SIGNS LIKE 10 YEARS AGO. THERE WAS THAT IT MIGHT
GROUP. >> THESE ARE DIFFERENT FROM THAT. I THINK THAT WENT ON AND THEN IT ENDED AND THEN IT WAS
BROUGHT BACK. >> THE ONES YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT ARE THE ONES ON 287 AND 67 POINT THEY ARE BIGGER AND THEY
GOT $500,000. >> SO THERE'S -- SORRY --
>> SO THIS HAS BEEN A TOPIC OF DISCUSSION AROUND A LOT OF DIFFERENT ITEMS, NOT THE SIGNS NECESSARILY BUT I WOULD BE REALLY INTERESTED IN SEEING, WHICH I CAN GET WITH YOU ON IT BUT WHERE THE PLANS ARE FOR POTENTIAL LOCATIONS FOR SIGNS AND WHAT THOSE COSTS ARE TODAY, ESPECIALLY AS WE'RE GETTING INTO BUDGET TIME, THINGS LIKE THAT, BECAUSE WHAT WE ARE FINDING OUT PRETTY RAPIDLY, ESPECIALLY IN THE LAST FIVE YEARS, AND EVEN THE LAST TWO YEARS SINCE I'VE BEEN ON COUNCIL, IS THE LONGER WE DELAY GETTING SOME OF THESE THINGS DONE, THE COST SENDUP IN 50% HIGHER, DOUBLE, TRIPLE, YOU KNOW, 10 YEARS FROM NOW IT'S QUADRUPLE AND SO I THINK THIS IS A GREAT PROJECT AND I LOVE TO START HERE WITH WHAT YOU GOT TONIGHT BUT I'D BE VERY INTERESTED IN SEEING HOW EXPEDIENT OVER THE NEXT COUPLE OF YEARS WE CAN TRY TO PUT MORE OF THIS -- GET MORE OF THAT PLAN DONE JUST SO WE'RE NOT SPENDING MORE MONEY IN THE FUTURE THAT WE COULD'VE WENT AHEAD AND GOT A HEAD START ON. SO THAT'S THE ONLY FEEDBACK I'VE GOT.
>> WHAT'S THE PURPOSE OF THESE SIGNS?
>> IT IS ESSENTIALLY YOU'RE WELCOME SIGNS, YOUR PATHWAY SIGNS OF HEY, WELCOME TO MIDLOTHIAN, SO YOU DRIVE IN, IT SETS US APART FROM THE COMMUNITY NEXT TO US AND WE SET THE TONE WITH THE LANDSCAPING. YOU ENTER. YOU SAY WELCOME TO MIDLOTHIAN, HERE YOU GO. WE'VE CREATED A NICE FEELING. WE ARE DRIVING DOWN A CLEAN STREETS. YOU SPEND YOUR MONEY HERE. YOU LEAVE. YOU SEE THE SAME THING. YOU KNOW YOU'RE LEAVING MIDLOTHIAN.
WE'LL WELCOME YOU BACK TO SPEND YOUR TAX DOLLARS AGAIN. OUR CITIZENS WILL BE HERE AND THEY'LL ENJOY SEEING THE LANDSCAPING AS THEY MOVE THROUGH THE COMMUNITY. THEY'RE JUST A LANDSCAPE BEAUTIFICATION AND JUST KIND OF STAMPING OUR NAME
ON OUR COMMUNITY. >> ASSUMING THE LOCATION MAP THAT'S IN OUR PACKET IS CORRECT, WE'VE GOT ONE THAT WE ARE PUTTING AT MAIN STREET AND MIDLOTHIAN PARKWAY.
>> YES SIR. >> SO WHEN YOU'RE HALFWAY INTO MIDLOTHIAN WE'RE GOING TO WELCOME YOU TO MIDLOTHIAN.
>> IT'S RIGHT AFTER YOU GET OFF OF 287. WE CAN'T PUT IT --
>> IS GOES WAY OUT. >> YOU'RE GOING TO GO STRAIGHT TO MAIN STREET AND YOU CAN TAKE IT LEFT OR YOU CAN KEEP GOING THROUGH MIDLOTHIAN. IT'S RIGHT THERE AS YOU TURN OFF
>> THIS ONE IS, YES SIR, YOU'LL DRIVE RIGHT IN. SO THERE'S A LANDSCAPE BED RIGHT THERE CLOSE TO WALGREENS AND THAT ENTIRE INTERSECTION, IT'S GOING IN THAT. THAT'S THE ORIGINAL SPOT THE SIGNS WERE PLANNED WITH THOSE LANDSCAPE BEDS BUT IT WAS SOMETHING DIFFERENT SO NOW WE'RE GOING TO ADD THESE SIGNS THAT
WERE REQUESTED. >> Y'ALL STARTED WITH -- I REMEMBER STARTING WITH GATEWAY SIGNAGE ON THE HIGHWAY AND THEY WERE SO RIDICULOUSLY EXPENSIVE, SO THEY WENT TO THIS MIDDLE SIGN FOR INSIDE THE LOOP OR WHATEVER.
>> AND THESE SIGNS, LIKE THE LARGE SIGN CAN BE -- WE CAN UPGRADE ENGINEERING JUST A LITTLE BIT TO EVENTUALLY PUT THEM ON THE HIGHWAY, IF THAT'S A DECISION COUNCIL IN THE FUTURE WANTS BUT THESE CAN FIT ON OUR ROADWAYS AT A MUCH LESSER COST
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THAN IF WE START DEALING WITH TXDOT.>> AND THE OTHER LOCATION IS HALFWAY BETWEEN MOCKINGBIRD AND
67 ON MIDLOTHIAN PARKWAY. >> YES SIR.
>> SO WHY IS IT NOT AT MIDLOTHIAN PARKWAY AND 67 AS YOU EXIT, YOU TURN LEFT AND NOW YOU'RE IN MIDLOTHIAN.
>> BECAUSE OF THE RAILROAD TRACKS AND THE MESS THAT IS MADE BY THE CONCRETE TRUCKS RIGHT THERE. AND THEN YOU COME AROUND A CURVE THAT IT WOULD CREATE A VISIBILITY TRIANGLE ISSUE.
PEOPLE WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO SEE IF SOMEONE WAS COMING ACROSS THE ROAD, SO WE MOVED IT UP TO WHERE WE KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF HOMES THAT ARE GOING TO BE BUILT THERE IN THE NEXT HANDFUL OF YEARS, 5-10 YEARS. SOME OF THE PROPERTIES ARE ALREADY ROLLING IN, A LITTLE CLOSER UP TO MAIN STREET AS WELL, FOR SURE. SOME LARGE ONES SO WE WANTED A SAFETY AREA. WE KNOW MOCKINGBIRD IS GOING TO BE IMPROVED. THERE'S A LOT OF HOMES RIGHT THERE, THAT THIS WILL BE VISIBLE TO, AND PEOPLE THAT ARE COMING IN FROM 67, COMING UP MIDLOTHIAN PARKWAY, WOULD SEE THAT AS WELL.
NOT TO MENTION THAT'S WHERE IT WAS ORIGINALLY SLATED TO GO AND
APPROVE WITH 4 B FUNDING. >> THESE ARE GOING TO GO PERPENDICULAR TO THE DRIVEWAYS AND THE MEDIAN.
>> I WAS JUST GOING TO ASK THAT, ASSUMING THE ENGINEERING OR THE DESIGN, SOMEBODY PUTTING IT TOGETHER ON THE COMPUTER, GOING THROUGH THAT PROCESS TO GET THIS PAPER DESIGN.
>> CORRECT. IT IS ENGINEERED. THAT'S CALLED OUT AND MULTIPLE PLANS OF WHAT THE STEEL IS, WHAT THE CONCRETE PSI IS, ALL OF THE THINGS THAT'S FULLY ENGINEERED.
>> SOME OF OUR OTHER WELCOME SIGNS, AT LEAST ONE THAT I'M THINKING OF THERE'S NOT A CONSISTENCY, IN MY MIND, OF THE DESIGN OR THE WELCOME. I DIDN'T KNOW IF THAT WAS THE INTENT OR WHAT THE INTENT IS IN TERMS OF USE BECAUSE I'M ASSUMING WE APPROVE THIS, IT'S GOING TO BE MORE OF A FUTURE IN DIFFERENT LOCATIONS AS MONEY IS AVAILABLE. BUT WE ARE GOING TO HAVE A HODGEPODGE OF A LOT OF MONUMENT SIGNS WELCOMING PEOPLE.
>> THAT IS THE WHOLE POINT OF THIS, BECAUSE RIGHT NOW WE CURRENTLY HAVE A HODGEPODGE OF SIGNS AND ALL THREE OF THESE DESIGNS LOOK VERY SIMILAR. THEY USE THE SAME MATERIALS. GO THEY ARE A COHESIVE DESIGN AND THAT'S WHY WE WENT WITH THIS.
AND YOU'LL SEE SIGNS LIKE THIS IS OUR -- IF YOU'VE GONE TO CEDAR HILL AND SEEN THEIR SIGNS, HAVE YOU SEEN DUNCANVILLE 'S SIGNS ALONG THE HIGHWAY? THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT THIS IS. IT'S A GATEWAY SIGN. WELCOME TO THE COMMUNITY, MAKING A STATEMENT THAT YOU HAVE ARRIVED. BUT ALL THREE OF THESE SIGNS WILL HAVE A DIFFERENT DESIGN. BUT ALL THE MATERIALS WILL BE THE SAME AND IT CREATES THAT COHESIVE UNIT SO WE ARE NOT CREATING -- I'M GOING TO DO A RED SIGN OVER HERE WITH AN ELECTRONIC, I'M GOING TO DO A BROWN SIGN OVER HERE, I'M GOING TO DO A REALLY SHORT SIGN WITH BLUE MIDLOTHIAN AND I'M GOING TO DO ONE OVER HERE WITH RED. IT'S ALL GOING TO BE VERY SIMILAR.
>> IT'S A CONVERSATION ABOUT WHEN IT BECOMES AVAILABLE OR SOME OF THE OTHER EXISTING SIGNS TO BE FIGURED OUT A WAY TO MAYBE ENHANCE THEM. I'M JUST THINKING 20 YEARS FROM NOW WE ALREADY HAVE THE HODGEPODGE . IS THERE A WAY WE CAN BE THINKING IN TERMS OF GETTING THEM ALL KIND OF CONSISTENTLY WITH THE BRANDING?
>> THIS IS THE START OF THAT, YES SIR. THOSE SIGNS, ESPECIALLY ELECTRONIC SIGNS, ARE GOING TO HAVE A LIFESPAN. AND OVER TIME THERE'S THINGS THAT WE CAN DO TO IMPROVE THOSE. YOU CAN COME BACK. WE CAN DO A VENEER ON THOSE TO MAKE THEM LOOK MORE ON THIS. THERE'S LOTS OF THINGS. WE HAVEN'T PLANNED OUT A FINANCIAL THING OF THAT. IT WAS JUST LIKE OUR SURROUNDING COMMUNITIES. YOU SEE IT IN MANSFIELD. YOU SEE IT IN CEDAR HILL. YOU SEE IT IN DUNCANVILLE. YOU SEE IT IN ARLINGTON. THEY ALL HAVE GATEWAY SIGNS AND SO YOU PICK SOMETHING AND YOU START WITH IT, AND FROM THERE ON OUT THAT IS THE PATH YOU GO TO MAKE
SURE THEY'RE ALL COHESIVE. >> I'M A BIG PROPONENT OF GATEWAY SIGNS WELCOMING PEOPLE. WELCOME BACK WHEN YOU COME BACK.
I'M JUST KIND OF THINKING , HAVING A PLAN THAT KIND OF PICKS UP THINGS ALREADY DONE AND THINGS WE MAY DO AND THINGS THAT WE MAY DO IN THE FUTURE, WHETHER IT'S A KIND OF CONSISTENCY
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BUILDER SO SOMEBODY COMING IN 20 YEARS FROM NOW AND THEY SEE SOMETHING SIMILAR TO THE GATEWAY WELCOMING SIGN, PART OF OURBRAND. >> AND THE PURPOSE OF THIS IS TO STOP PEOPLE FROM US ALL BUILDING RANDOM SIGNS IN DIFFERENT GROUPS THAT THE CITY IS CONSISTENT, AND FROM HERE ON OUT WE UTILIZE THIS SIGN. AND YOU KNOW, AS WE MOVE THROUGH, PEOPLE WANT TO CHANGE DIFFERENT SIGNS, THOSE ARE ALWAYS THE OPTION IF THAT IS COUNCIL'S DESIRE, AND WE WANT TO FIND FUNDING FOR THAT.
ABSOLUTELY WE CAN DO THAT. >> ALLEN?
>> WHAT WAS THE COST OF ENGINEERING TO THE PLAN FOR THE SMALL, MEDIUM, LARGE SIGN? DO YOU RECALL? IT WAS PRETTY
SIGNIFICANT. >> GOSH, YOU'RE GOING TO ASK ME THAT. I WAS JUST TALKING ABOUT THIS FUNDING. NOW I DON'T THINK
IT WAS THAT MUCH. >> I THINK THEY DID THREE SIZES AND I GUESS IT WAS LESS THAN $100,000 TO GET ALL THREE SIZES.
>> SLIGHTLY UNDER 100. SO WE'VE ALREADY INVESTED NEARLY 100 AND
GETTING TO THIS POINT. >> THIS WAS BROUGHT BEFORE
COUNCIL PROBABLY FOUR YEARS AGO. >> AND THEN WE STOPPED BECAUSE WE WERE REBRANDING SO WE STOPPED EVERYTHING, AND THEN IT SET FOR A MINUTE BECAUSE WE WERE WORKING ON A COUPLE OTHER THINGS AND NOW
WE'RE BACK TO IT. >> ANOTHER QUICK QUESTION. I THINK IF I MENTIONED THIS, IF I MISSED IT, WHAT WAS THE COST OF
A SIGN ON THE HIGHWAY? >> DEPENDS ON HOW BIG YOU GET.
THERE ARE TYPICALLY 500,000 AND UP. IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT MANSFIELD, NOW YOU'RE PROBABLY LOOKING AT 800-PLUS.
>> I DON'T THINK WE EVER SET IT ASIDE. WE WERE JUST TALKING ABOUT WHAT THE COST WAS. I DON'T KNOW THAT WE EVER
BUDGETED. >> BACK TO WHAT ONE WAS TALKING ABOUT, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE CONSISTENCY OF THE SIGNS AS THEY GO THROUGH TO SEE THEM NOT BE THAT DIFFERENT IF THERE'S THE PROBLEM. WHERE BRANDING WORKS IS A WHOLE OTHER SUBJECT, IT SEEMS TO CHANGE EVERY FIVE TO SEVEN YEARS. COLORS, STYLE, WE GO THROUGH THIS WHOLE REBRANDING PROJECT AND SO I DON'T -- I'M LIKE YOU. I WANT TO SEE THE SIGNS THAT ARE IMPLEMENTS OF OUR BRAND, OR THE COLORS OF IT, BUT THEN I'M WORRIED THAT IN FIVE OR SEVEN IS THAT WE'VE GOT TO REDO EVERY SIGN ALL OVER AGAIN TO
IT. >> I'VE SEEN THIS DESIGN. I'M NOT GOING TO CALL IT TIMELESS BECAUSE NOTHING IS TIMELESS, BUT
I DON'T THINK THIS IS -- >> IT'S NOT TRENDY AND IT'S NOT -- WITH THE BRANDING WE WAITED AND REALLY WHAT WE USED WAS OUR FONT. OTHER THAN THAT IS REALLY JUST USING OUR NAME AND OUR HISTORY, AND THE SAME MATERIALS. BUT IT DOESN'T HAVE -- AND WITH CLYDE I WOULD SAY THIS IS MORE OF A TIMELESS DESIGN. YOU SAW STUFF MADE OUT OF THIS 75 YEARS AGO AND YOU'RE GOING TO SEE THIS CONTINUE BECAUSE THE CORE 10 STEEL AND THE CONCRETE AND LIMESTONE IS POPULAR THROUGHOUT. SO IT'S -- THE WHOLE PART OF THIS, NUMBER ONE, IS IT'S BEEN BROUGHT UP FOR PROBABLY WHAT I KEEP HEARING IS 20 YEARS, AND SO IT WAS BROUGHT TO ME AND I SAID LET'S MAKE MULTIPLE DIFFERENT SIGNS AND LET'S MAKE IT COHESIVE. WE WORKED WITH MCDC AND PARK BOARD TO PICK THE MATERIALS. THEN WE HAD IT ENGINEERED AND NOW WE'RE HERE TO SEE IF Y'ALL WOULD LIKE TO SUPPORT BUILDING TWO SIGNS.
>> WHAT I'M NOT EXCITED ABOUT IS IT'S OUR ENTIRE NIGHT.
>> THAT'S OUR EXTRA SMALL SIGN.
>> PLEASE DON'T SAY THAT. >> I'M READY FOR A MOTION BUT
ROSS HAS HIS LIGHT ON. >> I'M FINE WITH THE IDEA OF GATEWAY MONUMENTS. I SUPPORT THEM BE INCONSISTENT. I JUST -- I'M HAVING JUST A LOT OF TROUBLE RECONCILING THE ONE THAT'S JUST RANDOMLY KIND OF HALFWAY UP MIDLOTHIAN PARKWAY. I MEAN I THINK IT WOULD BE A LOT BETTER FOR THAT BE AT, YOU KNOW, THE EXIT FOR ONCE YOU GET ONTO THE SERVICE ROAD OF FORT STREET.
THE NEXT ONE UP FROM THE MAIN STREET. YOU KNOW I THINK -- WHEN I THINK ABOUT GATEWAYS INTO OUR COMMUNITY, IT'S NOT DIRECTLY BEHIND THE AUTO PARK AND YOU KNOW THE GATEWAY IS THE EXIT OFF
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OF 67, RIGHT, THAT WOULD TAKE YOU TO MIDLOTHIAN PARKWAY, DEPENDING ON WHICH WAY YOU TURNED. THAT'S REALLY FOR ME, IS LIKE HEY, IF WE'RE GOING TO SPEND THIS MONEY FOR THE DEVELOPMENT OF OUR COMMUNITY TO CREATE A SENSE OF PLACE, IT NEEDS TO BE IN THE PLACES WHERE THAT SHOULD BE AND THAT ONE TO THE NORTH , AS I'M JUST SITTING HERE, I READ THE PACKET, LIKE WHY ARE WE PUTTING THIS ONE HERE? I GET IT, IT'S A RIGHT-OF-WAY. IT'S ALREADY A DIVIDED HE AND. WE ON THE LAND.IT'S EASY. I CAN GET BEHIND THE MAIN STREET EXIT BUT TO ME LOOKING AT THE 14TH STREET EXIT THEN COVERS NINTH STREET COMING FROM THE SAME DIRECTION OR THE NINTH STREET EXIT COMING FROM THE WEST. I MEAN THOSE ARE SPOTS WHERE WE HAVE A HIGH VOLUME OF FOLKS. THERE'S A LOT OF COMMERCIAL ACTIVITY. THERE'S GOT TO BE MORE COMMERCIAL ACTIVITY THERE, AND HEY, YOU'RE IN MIDLOTHIAN. THAT MAKES MORE SENSE TO ME THAN OUT THERE OFF
MOCKINGBIRD. >> IF THE COUNCIL IN GENERAL WANTS TO MOVE THAT SIGN, NUMBER ONE, WE'LL HAVE TO LOOK AT PROBABLY A DIFFERENT SIZE. SECONDLY, WE CAN'T JUST PUT THE SIGN WHEREVER WE WANT BECAUSE WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH TXDOT, WHICH THAT SAID, I COULDN'T PUT IT THE MEDIAN UP BEFORE ON MIDLOTHIAN PARKWAY BECAUSE IT'S TXDOT PROPERTY AND THEY DON'T ALLOW SIGNS IN THE MEDIAN. SO IT WAS NOT APPROVED. I TRIED AND THEY DENIED IT. SO THAT'S WHEN WE START GETTING INTO TXDOT PROPERTY. IT CHANGES EVERYTHING. NOW IF WE WANT TO GET ON ONE OF
OUR STREETS -- >> IT'S ON A STREET OF THE EXACT SAME SCALE. SO JUST ARBITRARILY SAYING ANYWHERE ON A HIGHWAYS GOING TO HAVE A HALF-MILLION DOLLAR SIGN IS INCORRECT. ON TALKING ABOUT THE ACTUAL INTERSECTION OF THE SERVICE ROAD OF 14TH STREET AND 287 SERVICE ROAD. THE SCHOOL OWNS THAT PROPERTY, NOT TXDOT. IT WOULD NOT NEED TO BE A LARGER SIGN, THEY ARE THE SAME EXACT SCALE AS THESE SIGNS ARE AND I JUST THINK THAT'S A MORE APPROPRIATE LOCATION. SO I DON'T WANT TO JUST DISCOUNT ANY OTHER EXIT BECAUSE IT NEEDS TO BE A HIGHWAY SIGN.
>> THAT'S NOT WHAT I WAS SAYING. I WASN'T SAYING A BIGGER SIGN. I WAS CONCERNED WE MIGHT HAVE TO GO WITH A SMALLER SIGN IF WE WERE TRYING TO GET TO ONE OF THE OTHER MEDIAN BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT NEARLY AS WIDE AS MIDLOTHIAN PARKWAY. 14TH STREET WOULD NEED THE SMALL SIGN. WE HAVE TO GO MUCH MORE VERTICAL.
THE SMALL SIGN IS STILL VERY LARGE BUT IT'S TALL. YOU ONLY SEE THE MEDIUM SIGN IN THIS ONE AND IT IS VERY WIDE. AND SO THAT'S MY CONCERN. IT'S JUST PICKING THE LOCATION AND IF THERE'S ANOTHER LOCATION Y'ALL WANT, I AM MORE THAN HAPPY TO LOOK AT THAT BUT IT MAY BE ANOTHER BID IF THE SIGN -- IF THAT SIZE SIGN CAN'T FIT THE SPACE.
>> MCDC TO HOLD DOWN THE MONEY SO CAN THAT -- CAN THE EXACT LOCATION BE FURTHER DETERMINED AFTER APPROVING -- YOU KNOW, IF THIS GETS APPROVED CAN THAT CONVERSATION CONTINUED LEGALLY
>> I WAS JUST READING THROUGH IT. IT DOESN'T SAY IT'S FOR -- IT DOESN'T REFERENCE IT, UNLESS I'M SINGING.
>> YOU'RE APPROVING THE FUNDS. THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE APPROVING THE FUNDING SO YOU APPROVE IT WITH THE CONDITION THAT YOU BRING BACK THE LOCATION FOR FURTHER DISCUSSION BEFORE
PROCEEDING. >> IT SOUNDS LIKE ROSS IS WILLING TO CHAIR THE SUBCOMMITTEE.
>> THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING IS WHAT THAT --
>> HOLD ON, LET'S LET WAYNE GO REAL QUICK .
>> IN LIGHT OF THAT, IF WE DO APPROVE FUNDING I -- ONE THOUGHT I HAD WAS MORE ON THE NINTH STREET NEW PUBLIC SAFETY BUILDING, BRIDGE COMING OVER TOWARD, COMING INTO THE CITY, TOWARD CITY HALL, TOWARD OUR FUTURE DOWNTOWN AREA. I'D JUST THROW THAT INTO THE BASKET AND SAY CONSIDER.
>> MY ONLY CONCERN IS I THINK WE NEED SIGNS IN ALL THOSE LOCATIONS BUT THIS HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR 20 YEARS . I THINK WE JUST NEED TO GET THE BALL ROLLING.
>> I DO AGREE WITH THAT. I WOULD SAY REGARDLESS OF WHERE THESE TWO SITES GO, MY VOTE, WHICH IT SOUNDS LIKE SEVERAL OF US ARE SAYING, I WANT DIRECT BEHIND IT, LET'S NOT TALK ABOUT THE NEXT SIGN AND THE NEXT SIGN. I KNOW YOU HAVE 1 MILLION IDEAS ON THAT SO I'D LIKE TO HAVE A WHOLE SIGN PLAN.
>> WORKSHOP. WORKSHOP . >> I'M READY FOR A MOTION
WHENEVER. >> DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE?
>> KNOW. JUST TO BE CLEAR, I WANT TO APPROVE THE SIGNS AND NOT DELAY FIGURING OUT WHERE WE WANT TO PUT THEM. JUST PUT THEM
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WHERE WE GOT THEM AND LET'S ROLL.>> SO JOE, ARE YOU CONFIRMING THE MOTION IS AROUND MCDC
FUNDING IT REGARDLESS OF -- >>
>> FUNDING WITH THE LOCATIONS AS PRESENTED. MOTION JUST FOR THE FUNDING AND THEN BRING BACK THE DISCUSSION FOR THE LOCATIONS.
>> I'LL MAKE A MOTION AND WE'LL SEE WHERE IT ROLLS.
>> AND I HAVE A MOTION? >> I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE FUNDING WITH THE SIGN LOCATION ATTACHED.
>> WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. PLEASE VOTE.
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>> THANK YOU. >> OPENING ITEM 2025- 144 POINT
>> MAYOR PRO TEM AND COUNCIL, GOOD EVENING. RECENTLY THE FIRE DEPARTMENT WENT THROUGH A RFP PROCESS TO TRY TO ENGAGE A CONSTRUCTION MANAGER FOR THE FIRE STATION 4 PROJECT. WE WHITTLED DOWN TO FOUR CONTRACTORS THAT WE INTERVIEWED IN PERSON AND RECEIVED PRESENTATIONS ON. I'M HERE TONIGHT TO RECOMMEND STEELE AND FREEMAN AS THE CONSTRUCTION MANAGER AT RISK FOR FIRE STATION NUMBER 4. THE CONTRACT THAT WE WOULD ENTER INTO IS JUST FOR PRECONSTRUCTION SERVICES, BECAUSE AT THIS POINT WE STILL DON'T HAVE CLARITY ON HOW THE BUILDING WILL BE FUNDED. THIS WOULD ALLOW THE CONTRACTOR, STEELE AND FREEMAN, TO WORK WITH HAFER WELKER TO REALLY CARRY OUT THE MISSION THAT COUNCIL GAVE ME, WHICH WAS TO GET A DIALED IN NUMBER FOR A BUDGET THAT WE CAN ALL AGREE UPON, THAT IT IS AS ACCURATE AS WE CAN MAKE IT AT THIS POINT, SO THAT YOU AS A COUNCIL CAN MAKE A DECISION ON HOW YOU WANT TO FUND IT AND MOVE FORWARD. IF YOU AGREE TO THIS CONTRACT, THEY WOULD START WORKING RIGHT AWAY WITH HAFER WELKER TO GIVE US THE PRICE THAT WE WILL CALL NOT TO EXCEED SO THAT WE CAN PRESENT THAT TO YOU ON MAY 27TH. BEYOND THAT, WE WOULD HAVE TO ENTER INTO ANOTHER CONTRACT THAT WE WOULD NEGOTIATE WITH STEELE AND FREEMAN ONCE THE COUNCIL HAS DIRECTED OR IS PRODUCED A DIRECTION ON HOW THEY WANT TO FUND THE PROJECT. SO BEYOND THAT, I WILL ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE ABOUT WHAT WE HAVE BEFORE YOU
QUESTIONS? >> I'LL LET YOU GO FIRST.
>> YOU GOT QUESTIONS? >> NOT A QUESTION, JUST A
COMMENT. >> MY QUESTION IS, ALL WE'RE DOING HERE IS FOR YOU TO COME BACK AND TELL US WHAT IT'S GOING TO COST THEM TO BUILD THE PROJECT.
>> SO WHAT WE ARE ASKING THEM TO DO HIS WORK WITH HAFER WELKER SIMULTANEOUSLY TO DEVELOP A BUDGETARY NUMBER BASED ON THEIR EXPERIENCE AND THE CRITERIA THAT THEY USED TO DEVELOP THAT NUMBER. WE -- CLYDE AND I, ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER MALIK AND I DISCUSSED WHEN WE RECEIVED THE PROPOSAL FROM THEM, HOW TO PROCEED WITHOUT HAVING THE FUNDING SOURCE IN PLACE. SO THE RECOMMENDATION WAS TO GO WITH THE A1 THROUGH 3, THE SMALLER CONTRACT, TO ALLOW THEM TO WORK ON THE PRECONSTRUCTION SIDE OF
IT, TO DEVELOP THIS NUMBER. >> THEY'RE GOING TO DEVELOP WITH THE TOTAL COST OF THE PROJECT WILL BE IF THEY ARE THE CONSTRUCTION MANAGER BIDDING OUT AND OVERSEEING THE CONSTRUCTION
>> THAT WILL COME BACK TO US AND WE CAN SAY, YEAH, WE LIKE THIS NUMBER IN THIS CONTRACT, OR NO WE DON'T, LET'S GET SOMEBODY ELSE TO DO THE SAME SORT OF WORK. THAT JUST COST $20,000.
>> THAT WAS THE WHOLE POINT OF IT. TYPICALLY THIS COMPANY SPECIFICALLY DOES PRECONSTRUCTION SERVICES PRO BONO. SO YOU WOULD GET THEM IN THERE AND THEY JUST SAY WE'LL DO THAT. THAT WILL BE PART OF THE CONTRACT THAT WE DIDN'T FEEL CONFIDENT THAT IT WAS GOING TO BE FUNDED IN A WAY THAT WOULD SEE ENOUGH TO BRING THEM ON AS A TRUE CONSTRUCTION MANAGER AT RISK SO WE BROUGHT THEM ON HUNDRED PRECONSTRUCTION SERVICES, THEREFORE GETTING MORE ACCURATE ESTIMATE TO GO FORWARD FOR ON SALE OR HOWEVER WE CHOSE TO FUND IT AND WE JUST HAD THAT CONVERSATION LAST TUESDAY, I THINK IT WAS. THAT'S WHERE WE DEFINITELY GET THIS CONTRACT BEFORE WE KNEW HOW THE COUNCIL
WAS CHOOSING TO FUND IT. >> IT'S NOT A LOT OF MONEY IN
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THE GRAND SCALE OF THE PROJECT BUT IF WE DO SELECT THEM PREPAID, DO WE GET CREDIT FOR THE FUNDS HERE? IF WE CHOOSE TO GO WITH SOMEBODY ELSE, IS THIS A SUNK COST HE'LL>> I CAN'T ANSWER THAT BUT I WOULD THINK IT WOULD BE PART OF THAT OVERALL CONTRACT. AND WORKING OVER THE PAST SEVERAL YEARS
>> DO YOU MIND IF I ASK A QUESTION --
>> SO IN DOING THAT, THAT ALMOST BUT SEALS THE DEAL, GUARANTEES THAT STILL STEELE AND FREEMAN ARE GOING TO BE THE ONES WE SELECT TO HELP BUILD THE PROJECT. IF THEY'RE THE ONES THAT ARE GOING TO DO THE PRECONSTRUCTION.
>> THAT'S MY RECOMMENDATION FOR THE PROJECT. NOW WE ARE JUST ASKING THEM TO DO THE PRECONSTRUCTION SERVICES.
>> BUT I GUESS MY QUESTION IS, ARE WE GOING BACK OUT BECAUSE
ONCE WE IDENTIFY FUNDING -- >> MOSER. THAT WOULD NOT BE MY
INTENT. >> THE PURPOSE OF THIS WHOLE ACQUIRING THE CMA ARE WAS GOING TO THE ENTIRE PROCESS. IT WAS ONLY AT THE 11TH HOUR THAT WE PULLED IT BACK OUT AND LUSTILY CONTRACT FOR THE PRECONSTRUCTION SERVICES. WE WENT THROUGH THE WHOLE GAMBIT. I KNOW WE INTERVIEWED FOUR POINT
>> I THINK THERE WAS EIGHT OR NINE.
>> THEY WENT THROUGH THAT WHOLE ENTIRE PROCESS AND STEELE AND FREEMAN ROSE TO THE TOP. THAT'S WHEN WE PULLED OUT THE CONTRACT AND SAID CAN WE DO THIS PRECONSTRUCTION SERVICES
SEPARATELY? >> PRETTY MUCH YES.
>> I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE ARE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE.
>> ALL I WAS GOING TO SAY IS I THINK THIS IS A GREAT IDEA. I THINK IT WILL HELP US AND WHEN WE HAVE FINANCING CONVERSATIONS AND DECISIONS AROUND HOW WE ARE GOING TO GO ABOUT THAT BUT YOU KNOW THIS IS ANOTHER ITEM THAT WE ARE TAKING ANOTHER STEP TOWARD EXECUTING ALL THIS FIRE STATION NUMBER 4 SO I THINK AS WE MAKE THIS DECISION OR ANY OTHER SMALLER ONES WE NEED TO KEEP THAT IN MIND AS FUNDING CONVERSATIONS COME UP BECAUSE WE ARE CONTINUALLY INVESTING IN THE PROCESS OF GETTING THIS THING BUILT AND EVENTUALLY WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO MAKE A DECISION ON HOW WE GO ABOUT THAT, SO THAT'S THE ONLY COMMENT.
>> OKAY. THERE'S NO FURTHER QUESTIONS. I'LL TAKE A MOTION.
>> MOTION TO APPROVE THIS. >> I JUST WANT TO COME UP WITH WHAT YOU SAID THERE. I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE WE ARE NOT CONTRACTUALLY OBLIGATING OURSELVES THAT THIS POINT TO UTILIZE THIS GROUP FOR THE CONSTRUCTION MANAGER AT RISK, RIGHT? THEY ARE PUTTING AT RISK $20,000 IN THE EVENT THEIR CONTRACTOR PROPOSAL COMES BACK AND WE DON'T LIKE IT, WE CAN GO TO SOMEBODY ELSE AND DO THE EXACT SAME THING. SO I DEFINITELY -- I STRONGLY DISAGREE WITH THE FACT THAT WE ARE SAYING BY SPENDING THIS $20,000 WE ARE ALL BUT GUARANTEEING THIS WORK. I THINK WE ARE INTERVIEWING THEM IN THAT PROCESS BECAUSE WE WILL HAVE TO APPROVE THE ACTUAL AGREEMENT ONCE THEY COME BACK WITH IT. SO I THINK THAT'S AN IMPORTANT DISTINCTION THERE BUT I AGREE STAFF IS LEANING TOWARDS THIS GROUP AND A HAVE IDENTIFIED THEM AS PROBABLY THE BEST APPLICANT FOR THAT BUT WE ARE NOT GETTING OURSELVES TO THAT.
>> THAT BEING SAID, I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE.
>> WE HAVE A MOTION BY ROSS. >> SECOND.
>> SECOND BY EMMA. >> DO WE GET A YES YET?
>> PLEASE VOTE. >> ARE YOU STILL THE NO GUY?
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>> NOW OPENING ITEM 2025-145. >> THANK YOU MAYOR PRO TEM AND COUNCIL. THIS IS AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO NEGOTIATE AND ENTER INTO A BLUEBONNET HILLS DEVELOP AN AGREEMENT WITH FULSON MIDLOTHIAN PARTNERS LP AND CAN REAL ESTATE LIMITED. SEVERAL MONTHS BACK, FEBRUARY 11TH, I THINK TO BE EXACT, WE ENTERED INTO AN AGREEMENT, RESOLUTION OF SUPPORT FOR BLUEBONNET HILLS MMD, WHICH IS LOCATED IN THIS GENERAL AREA. SO IT'S NORTH -- WEST, I'M SORRY, OF 67 AND 287. AFTER THAT, SO IT IS CURRENTLY GOING THROUGH THE LEGISLATURE. I THINK THEY TOLD ME EARLIER IT'S APPROVED BY SENATE, NO, AT THE HOUSE LEVEL SO IT'S ROLLING THROUGH THEIR. THEN IN MARCH THEY CAME BACK AND GOT ZONED FOR THIS AREA FOR THE BONNETT HILLS. SO WHAT WE TALK ABOUT HIS THEY GOT A PLETHORA OF PEOPLE HERE AND WE'VE GOT A PLETHORA OF PEOPLE EVERYWHERE SO CAN ANSWER BETTER QUESTIONS THAN I CAN. BUT
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WHAT THIS DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT CALLS FOR IS A LOT OF THE MMD FUNDING BUT IT SPECIFICALLY CALLS FOR ROADWAY AND DRAINAGE IMPROVEMENTS THAT WILL BE REIMBURSED THROUGH BOTH IMPACT FEES AND THROUGH US BUILDING OR PAYING FOR VARIOUS IMPROVEMENTS SUCH AS THE REPAIR LETTER A THROUGH HERE WITH THE BRIDGES AND THE COUNCIL MET WITH THE DEVELOPERS. I THINK THERE WAS A REQUEST THAT THEY WANTED ALL FOUR LANES BUILT. THAT WAS THE IMPETUS FOR SOME OF THAT AS WELL AS SOME OF THE WATER. SORRY THE SLIDE KIND OF GOT CUT OFF. THAT'S USER ERROR AND THIS IS A 30-PLUS INCH LINE. I THINK IT'S 36. 30 INCH BUT IT CAN GO UP SO THIS IS ONE OF OUR TRANSMISSION LINES DEPENDING ON WHAT HAPPENS DOWN SOUTH. WE BUILD ANOTHER WATER PLANT DOWN THERE, IT WILL BE A TRANSMISSION LINE. THEY WILL NOT BE ABLE TO TAP OFF OF THIS LINE SO IT REALLY SERVES THEIR DEVELOPMENT NO GOOD. SO WE WILL PAY FOR THAT. THEY WILL BUILD IT. WE WILL PAY FOR THAT AND THIS GOES INTO THAT. IT ALSO GOES INTO, LIKE I SAID, THE VARIOUS QUARRY ROAD, FOUR LANES OF QUARRY ROAD THROUGH THIS AREA RIGHT HERE. ONE THING THAT IT ALSO TALKS ABOUT IS THE DEVELOPER SHALL NOT BE REQUIRED TO DESIGN, CONSTRUCT AN EXTENSION OF QUARRY ROAD FOR WHAT IS TO PICK IT IN EXHIBIT C.I'M SORRY I DON'T HAVE EXHIBIT C IN HERE BUT THAT WAS BEYOND THE NORTHERN PART OF THE FLOODPLAIN SO THIS KIND OF HAS A DEPICTED EXHIBIT C HAS IT CUT OFF ABOUT RIGHT HERE SO THE DEVELOPER IS NOT REQUIRED TO BUILD THAT BEYOND THAT AREA. SO I THINK OVERALL THAT IS A HIGH-LEVEL DESCRIPTION OF THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT THAT WE ARE ENTERING INTO. THE MAJORITY OF THINGS OTHER THAN THE WATER LINE AND THE BRIDGE, WE WILL BE REIMBURSING THEM THROUGH IMPACT FEES SIMILAR TO ANY OTHER DEVELOP AN AGREEMENT THAT WE DO. WE DO HAVE THE ABILITY TO BASICALLY REIMBURSE THOSE IMPACT FEES THAT HAVE BEEN PAID IN ONLY BY THIS DEVELOPMENT FOUR TIMES A YEAR ON A QUARTERLY BASIS, JANUARY 1, APRIL 1ST, JULY 1ST AND OCTOBER 1ST. THAT IS BASED ON THE CITY'S ACCEPTANCE OF THOSE IMPROVEMENTS. SO WITH THAT I WILL TAKE QUESTIONS. FROM WHAT I CAN ANSWER, WHAT I CAN'T I
WILL PONTE. >> COUNCILWOMAN, QUESTIONS
AND/OR A MOTION? NOBODY? >> NOT ALL AT ONCE.
>> I WOULD HAVE A MOTION BY ANNA, SECONDED BY MIKE. PLEASE VOTE. PASSES 4-2. NOW OPENING ITEM 2025-146.
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>> THANK YOU. CONSIDER AN ACT UPON AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER INTERPROFESSIONAL SERVICES AGREEMENT WITH KIMLEY-HORN AND ASSOCIATES TO DESIGN A PARKING LOT ALONG SEVEN STREET AND SIDEWALK EXTENSION IN AN AMOUNT NOT TO EXCEED $40,000.
THIS IS JUST BRINGING BACK AN ENGINEERING CONTRACT BASED ON OUR DISCUSSIONS I THINK TWO MEETINGS AGO ON THE SEVEN STREET PARKING OVER HERE IN FRONT OF THE LAWSON BUILDING. WE ARE TRYING TO MAKE THAT -- WE WILL MAKE THAT A.D.A. ACCESSIBLE AS WELL AS EXTENDING THE SIDEWALKS INTO THE STREET AND REFORMULATING THAT STREET SO STATE LAW DOES REQUIRE AN ENGINEERING CONTRACT AND STAMPED ENGINEERING PLANS ON THAT SO THE COST IS BROKEN DOWN BY DESIGNS . $22,000, TOPO SURVEY IS $8000.
BIDDING PHASE SERVICES IS $5000, CONSTRUCTION PHASE SERVICES IS $5000 AS WELL. I DO BELIEVE WE WILL BE ABLE TO BRING THAT DOWN BASED ON OUR BIDDING AND CONSTRUCTION PHASE SERVICES. WE GOT A LOT OF GOOD IN-HOUSE AND IF YOU RECALL, WE APPROVED A GOOD CONCRETE CONTRACTOR SEVERAL WEEKS AGO AND IN THE ESTIMATE FOR COMPLETION OF THIS IS SIX WEEKS SO WITH THAT I'LL ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. THIS IS JUST ENGINEERING, YES MA'AM. YEAH.
>> COUNCIL -- >> I MEAN THIS GIVES US -- THE
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CITY MANAGER, THE ABILITY TO NEGOTIATE. NOT TO EXCEED $40,000 AND THEN WE CAN RENEGOTIATE THAT EATING PHASE AND CONSTRUCTIONPHASE SERVICES. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR COUNCIL? MY ONLY QUESTION, CLYDE, IS CAN WE NOT UTILIZE THE ENGINEER WHO DID IT FOR THE LAWSON DEVELOPMENT ORIGINALLY?
>> I DOUBT THERE WAS AN ENGINEER THAT DID THAT.
>> YOU THINK THEY JUST CUT UP THE ROAD? I'M JUST ASKING A QUESTION, DO YOU THINK THEY JUST DID A SITE PLAN, WENT OUT THERE
AND CUT UP THE ROAD? >> I THINK THEY HAD A CONTRACTOR OUT THERE, RIPPED THE CONCRETE, THROUGH SOME BOULDERS AND GRANITE IN THERE AND HERE WE ARE.
>> THAT'S KIND OF DESIGNED. >> OKAY, FAIR ENOUGH.
>> WHAT DID YOU JUST SAY ABOUT RIP IT AND FILL IT?
>> I WAS JUST TALKING ABOUT THE BUT I
>> ROLL THAT BACK. >> I WAS JUST TALKING ABOUT THE CENTERLINE. THEY CUT OUT THE CONCRETE, THEY JUST RIPPED THE CONCRETE, PULLED THAT OUT AND REPLACED GRANITE IN THERE.
THAT'S WHY IT WAS AND I DOUBT THERE'S AN ENGINEER BUT TO YOUR POINT, THERE WERE SEVERAL DRAWINGS THAT WERE TURNED IN.
>> ONE OF THE BIGGER PROBLEMS IS THE DISCUSSION WE HAD AT THE WORKSHOP WAS ALSO WIDENED THE SIDE .
>> WE'RE CHANGING DRAINAGE, WE ARE CHANGING TOPO. AND THEN TO MAKE THOSE INTERSECTIONS A.D.A. ACCESSIBLE.
>> FAIR. SO FOR THE -- RESPECTFULLY TO THE PROPERTY OWNER AND TO THE FOLKS LEASING, DID YOU SAY SIX WEEKS?
>> TO DESIGN. >> SIX WEEKS TO DESIGN.
>> YES SIR, THAT'S WHAT THE ESTIMATE IS IN THE CONTRACT, YES, THAT'S UP FOR YOUR APPROVAL.
THESE COSTS. >> STATE LAW REQUIRES AN
ENGINEER STAMP THESE DRAWINGS. >> WHAT ARE WE THINKING -- I GUESS WHAT WE ARE CONCERNED ABOUT IS A WAY TO EXPEDITE THIS SO THAT WE ARE NOT SIX MONTHS AND IT'S JUST SUCH A SIMPLE SCOPE OF WORK TO ME . IN THE PRIVATE SECTOR WE DO THESE
THINGS IN A WEEK. >> PRIVATE SECTOR CAN DO THINGS WITHOUT AN ENGINEER STAMP. STATE LAW REQUIRES US TO GET AN ENGINEER DRAWING OF THIS. IS $50,000.
>> WILL BE YOUR GUESS ONCE WE GET THE DRAWINGS? WHAT DO YOU THINK WE'LL HAVE IN CONSTRUCTION?
>> I HAVEN'T THE FAINTEST IDEA. A LOT OF TIMES THESE THINGS ARE 10% OF THE ACTUAL COST OF CONSTRUCTION. NOW ON THIS I CAN'T TELL YOU BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW A.D.A. I DON'T KNOW WHAT KIND OF RENTS WE GOT TO DO. I DON'T KNOW THE DEMO OF THE END OF WHAT YOU CALL THOSE TREE ISLANDS, PLANT ISLANDS OR SOMETHING THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO RIP OUT SO I'M NOT EVEN GOING TO GET STARTED. LOOK OVER THERE. ADAM IS RECORDING ME
RIGHT NOW. >> I'M VERY CONCERNED, IT DOESN'T MAKE SO SENSE AND IT'S SO SIMPLE AND WE'RE GOING TO BE STUCK. WE ARE GOING TO REVERT BACKWARDS AND WE'RE GOING TO END UP -- THIS IS GOING TO BE A LONG-TERM MESS.
>> WE TRIED TO BRING IT TO YOU AS SOON AS WE GOT DIRECTION.
>> THIS ISN'T ABOUT STAFF, THIS IS JUST A SITUATION THAT'S MAKING ME VERY UNEASY AND EMBARRASSED, HONESTLY. I'M VERY CONCERNED THAT WE ARE GOING TO GET IN THE WAY OF FOLKS, BUSINESSES GETTING IN THERE AND JUST TRYING TO START IT AND THEY NEED TRAFFIC AND ALL OF THIS IS GOING TO BE INTERRUPTED.
>> THAT'S WHERE -- WHEN WE GET TO THAT EATING PHASE THAT WILL
BE VERY IMPORTANT. >> MY THOUGHT WAS WE'RE GOING TO LIKE GO IN THERE AND FILL THOSE CENTER STRIPS IN, GO IN AND WHACK THE CURVES OUT AND ALL THAT HAPPEN IN A WEEK OR THREE WEEKS TO POUR CONCRETE AND WE ARE DONE. PEOPLE COMING IN AND I'M REALLY CONCERNED. I'M REALLY CONCERNED ON BOTH ENDS. I THINK I'VE ALREADY HAD TWO PEOPLE INCLUDING ONE OF THE PROPERTY OWNERS ASKING WHEN WE ARE GETTING READY TO BLOCK.
>> I'M A LOT MORE CONCERNED. I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE CURRENT
SITUATION BUT -- >> WHAT SITUATION ?
>> THE CURRENT SITUATION. >> I'M SORRY.
>> THE CURRENT SITUATION. ALSO WHEN WE HAD THOSE DISCUSSIONS I WASN'T THINKING ABOUT NEEDING THOSE POTENTIALLY A QUARTER TO A HALF $1 MILLION TO FIX IT. I THINK WE GOT A LOT OF THINGS THAT WE NEED TO BE DOING AND I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT IS AN APPROPRIATE -- I DON'T KNOW IF SENSE NOW THAT WE ARE LOOKING AT THIS
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ME. >> I THINK THAT THE WHOLE PURPOSE OF THIS IS SO WE CAN GET THAT ACTUAL NUMBER OF WHAT IT REALLY IS GOING TO TAKE. IT MAY BE AS SIMPLE AS WE LOOK AT IT AS BUILDING IN THE MIDDLE AND MOVING SOME CURBS AROUND. THERE IS A SIGNIFICANT GRADE CHANGE BETWEEN MAIN STREET AND SEVENTH STREET AND IT'S PRETTY GOOD YOU'VE GOT TO DRIVE THROUGH.
THERE'S SOME THINGS THAT PROBABLY NEED TO BE ADDRESSED BUT YOU KNOW THIS IS NOW A CITY PROJECT, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE IT WASN'T -- THE WAY IT WAS APPROVED, IT WAS A PRIVATE PROJECT. IT WAS BUILT THE WAY IT WAS APPROVED TO BE BUILT SO AT THIS POINT IT'S -- IF WE WANT TO FIX IT WE GOT TO FIX IT.
>> I GUESS MY OTHER CONCERN ON TOP OF THAT IS I THINK THAT THE FLOW OF THIS FOR US -- I THINK THE FLOW OF HOW THIS NEEDS TO BE LENS ITSELF TO A LOT OF THE SUCCESS THAT WE ARE TRYING TO BUILD OUT AROUND OUR DOWNTOWN REVITALIZATION AND I THINK THAT WITHOUT GOING INTO DETAIL, OUR APPROACH AND A ONE-WAY FLOW ALSO LENDS ITSELF TO INTERPRETATIONS OF HOW WE WILL DO TRAFFIC PATTERNS AND OTHER MAIN THOROUGHFARES DOWNTOWN IN OUR FUTURE. ALL THIS TIES IN TOGETHER AND I THINK TO LEAVE THIS LIKE THIS IS GOING TO MESS ALL THAT ALL UP SO I DON'T
INAUDIBLE ] >> I GUESS THE KEY FOR ME THAT CONCERNS ME THE MOST, I HAVE BEEN OVER THERE TO EAT A COUPLE OF TIMES AND EXPERIENCED TRAFFIC JAMS TWICE AND MY BIGGEST FEAR IS, IS NOT EVERY TIME BUT AT LEAST WELL OVER 30% TO 40% OF THE TIME YOU'RE NOT GOING TO GET AN AMBULANCE THROUGH THERE.
THAT'S WHAT WORRIES ME THE MOST.
>> IS THERE NOT A WAY, SPEAKING TO WHAT MIKE IS TALKING ABOUT ON THE SIMPLICITY, POTENTIALLY WITH THE PRIVATE SECTOR, COULD WE NOT GET MAD POTENTIALLY INVOLVED AND HAVE THE PRIVATE SECTOR DO THE WORK FOR A SIGNIFICANTLY LOWER AMOUNT, AND JUST REIMBURSE THE
COST OF THE AGREEMENT? >> I THINK IT'S STILL A PUBLIC
PROJECT. >>'S IS A PUBLIC PROJECT. YOU CAN'T GET AROUND THE COMPETITIVE BIDDING ASPECT OF IT. THE ENGINEERING STAMPING OF IT. IT'S YOUR PROJECT.
>> HOW ORIGINALLY WERE WE NOT INVOLVED IF WE CAN'T DO IT NOW?
WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE THERE? >> YOU'RE SAYING, BOUNCE OFF WHAT HE JUST SAID AND I AGREE TOTALLY, SO THE PROPERTY OWNER DID THE WORK. SO WHY CAN'T THE PROPERTY OWNER REAPPLY AND SAY I WANT TO DO THIS WORK AND I GUESS YOU'RE SAYING WE CAN'T REFUND THAT MONEY, IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING?
>> NUMBER ONE, THE PROPERTY OWNERS NEVER APPROACHED ME AND SAID, CAN I DO THIS WORK? HE'LL
>> I DON'T KNOW, THIS WAS ALL DRIVEN BY THE COUNSELING THESE QUESTIONS WERE POSED TO ME BY THE QUESTION. I NEVER TALKED TO CROCKER OR PRIMUS ABOUT THIS STREET, ABOUT UNDOING IT, WHAT THEY'VE DONE. THIS IS OUR STREET.
>> IMPROVEMENTS TO OUR STREET TO BEGIN WITH.
>> I'M NOT PRIVY TO THAT INFORMATION.
>> BEFORE YOU A SERVICES AGREEMENT.
>> IT'S RELATED TO THIS PARTICULAR -- WE ARE TRYING TO -- WHAT I'M TRYING TO FIND OUT IS IF THERE'S ANOTHER WAY THAN SPENDING POTENTIALLY SEVERAL HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS.
>> AND IT WILL BE QUICKER. >> AND A QUICKER WAY.
>> A LOT QUICKER. >> TRUST ME, THE PRIVATE SECTOR
WILL BE MUCH, MUCH QUICKER. >> ONE THING POSSIBLY, AND JOE MIGHT TELL ME TO SHUT UP, WE DESIGNED IT AND WE HAND IT OVER.
I MEAN I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S LEGAL OR WE CAN DO THAT.
>> THROUGH THIS CONTRACT THAT WE HAVE READ YOUR.
>> THIS WILL GIVE US THE DESIGN. THIS IS JUST THE DESIGN.
>> BUT WHAT I WANT TO TRY TO FIGURE OUT IN THIS IS BOUNCING OFF WHAT ALAN WAS SAYING. HOW DID THE DESIGN THAT'S THERE NOW
COME ABOUT? >> IT WAS ON THE CIVIL PLANS THAT WE BROUGHT TO THE COUNCIL.
>> FROM HIM? DID WE DESIGN THAT OR THEM?
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>> HE DIDN'T. >> SO THIS IS ROLLING WITH THE WHOLE POINT HE'S MAKING. I REALIZE WHAT YOU'RE STATING THE PURPOSE OF THIS, THAT I'M FINDING AND QUESTIONING WHETHER ALL OF THIS IS MUCH SIMPLER IF THAT ORIGINAL APPLICANT WANTED TO REDESIGN AND TO FINISH IT UP SO THE ONLY QUESTION IS ARE WE ABLE TO THROW FUNDS TO REPLACE THAT ?
>> IN AGREEMENT WITH THEM, CORRECT, JOE?
>> I DON'T KNOW ENOUGH ABOUT THE PROJECT IN THE ROADWAY AND I DON'T KNOW WHY INITIALLY IT WAS --
>> IT WAS PART OF THE PLAN DEVELOPMENT.
>> IT WAS DESIGNED TO MATCH THE CONCEPT PLAN AND SITE PLAN SPECIFICALLY ATTACHED TO THE PLAN DEVELOPMENT THAT WAS APPROVED BY MIDLOTHIAN CITY COUNCIL.
>> COULD THEY APPLY FOR AN AMENDMENT TO THE PLAN
DEVELOPMENT, IS MY QUESTION? >> WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS TRY TO FIND OUT THE QUICKEST WAY TO GET THIS DONE AND I FEEL AS THOUGH WE ARE HEADED DOWN EIGHT
>> I DON'T KNOW IF THE ANSWERS Y'ALL ARE WANTING -- STAFF PROBABLY SAID THEY CAN'T GET IT TO US TONIGHT SO AS FAR AS I WAS RELATED, ARE WE TABLING IT OR PASSING IT?
>> A MOTION TO TABLE IT UNTIL WE CAN HAVE FURTHER DISCUSSIONS WITH THE PROPERTY OWNER AND LOOK AT ALTERNATIVE SOLUTIONS.
>> SURE >> THEY TAKE IT ON, THIS IS STILL THE FIRST STEP, RIGHT? SO REGARDLESS -- THE DESIGN, YOU'RE GETTING THE DESIGN SO EVEN IF WE HAVE CONVERSATIONS WITH THEM AND THEY -- TABLING IT IS GOING TO PUSH IT DOWN EVEN FURTHER JUST
TO GET BACK TO THE SAME SPOT. >> WOULD YOU REQUIRE THE SAME THING IF THEY CAME TO YOU IN AN AMENDMENT?
>> THEY WANT TO DO SOMETHING LIKE THIS, WE WOULD REQUIRE THE SAME DESIGN FROM A STAMPED ENGINEER.
>> WE HAVE A MOTION TO TABLE ON THE TABLE. IS THERE A SECOND? OKAY. MOTION FAILS DUE TO LACK OF A SECOND. IS THERE A SECOND MOTION? A MOTION TO APPROVE AND A SECOND. PLEASE NOTE.
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ITEM PASSES 5-1. NOW OPENING ITEM 2025-147.>> THIS IS A CONSIDER AND ACT UPON A JOINT PROFESSIONAL SERVICES AGREEMENT WITH THE CITY OF WAXAHACHIE AND PARK HILL FOR ENGINEERING SERVICES AT THE MID-WAY REGIONAL AIRPORT FUEL FARM IN THE AMOUNT OF $144,652 POINT THIS IS STRICTLY FOR ENGINEERING AND IT WILL BE FOR ENGINEERING THE FUEL FARM ON THIS AREA. I MOVE THE SLIDE. THE SLIDE DID NOT MOVE. SO BASICALLY WHAT WE ARE GOING OUT FOR IS WE'RE GOING OUT FOR A NEW FUEL FARM AND THIS FUEL FARM, OLD ONE IS DERELICT. IT'S OUTDATED.
THIS IS AN EXAMPLE OF WHAT WE ARE LOOKING AT IS BOTH AVGAS AND JUST A STORAGE SO THE ADDED ALTERNATIVE WILL BE JET LETTER A. THE MAJORITY OF THIS CONTRACT IS FOR ADD GAS BUT WE'LL HAVE AN ADDED ALTERNATIVE FOR -- I'M SORRY, JET FUEL. SO ONCE WE GO OUT TO BID WE CAN GET A COST ON THAT. THEY'RE GOING TO BE BETWEEN 12,000 AND 15,000 GALLON TANKS. THIS DESIGN SERVICES CONTRACT IS FOR A NUMBER OF QUANTITIES, LOCATION MAP, SHEET INDEX, STORM PLAN, SAFETY PLAN, EROSION CONTROL PLAN AND GENERAL PROJECT VOTES, GENEROUS PLANS OF THE EXISTING FUEL FARM, GEOMETRY AND SITE GRADING, FOUNDATION PLANS, ELECTRICAL LAYOUT, MARKING ALLITERATION, MARKING LAYOUT PLAN AND THEN MISCELLANEOUS MARKING AND CIVIL DETAILS AND THEN THEY WILL ALSO PERFORM PERFORMANCE SPECIFICATION FOR FACTORY ASSEMBLED FUEL SYSTEM CONSISTING OF TANK PUMP, FILTRATION SYSTEM, PIPING HEATER HOSE, WHOSE REAL NOZZLE AND EQUIPMENT ALONG WITH OVERHANG TO HOUSE ALL THE EQUIPMENT WHICH IS WHAT YOU SEE ON THE SCREEN NOW. ALONG WITH THAT, THE DESIGN WILL BE OPINION OF PROBABLE COST AND THEY WILL PERFORM QUALITY CONTROL ON THE PROJECT DELIVERABLES. WITH THAT, I'LL ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. THIS IS FUNDED BY AN FAA GRANT, 9010 GRANT SO THE 10% WILL BE COVERED BY THE AIRPORT AND THE 90% WILL BE COVERED BY THE FAA THROUGH TXDOT. SO KEEP THAT, ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
>> MIKE. >> THAT ALL SOUNDS GREAT. I WANT TO MAKE SURE WHAT APPROVED OVER THE YEARS AT THE AIRPORT FROM FOLKS WHO ARE OUT THERE AND EVEN THE FOLKS LOCALLY YOU USE THE AIRPORT. THIS IS GOING TO BRING US TOTALLY UP TO DATE TO WHERE
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IT WILL TAKE THE AIRPORT INTO A POSITION TO WHERE FOLKS TRAVELING WILL WANT TO STOP THERE TO GET FUEL .>> I THINK WHAT YOU'RE REFERENCING IS THE FUEL COST.
>> THAT'S A WHOLE OTHER SUBJECT.
>> THIS WILL BE INDEPENDENT. >> OUR EQUIPMENT THAT'S GOING TO PUT US EVEN STEPHEN WITH OTHER -- THANK YOU.
>> TO MIKE'S QUESTION, MIKE'S POINT, THIS WILL INCLUDE -- THE DESIGN INCLUDES A SELF SERVICE BEFORE THE AVGAS PORTION OF IT THAT THE CITIES VIS-À-VIS THE AIRPORT BOARD CAN CONTROL THE DIRECT RETAIL PRICING ON THE SALE OF ADD GAS. IT MAY ALSO INCLUDE A SELF-SERVICE JET AID PUMP BUT MANY OF THE PLANES THAT FUEL REQUIRE A SINGLE PORT FUELING WHICH WILL REQUIRE A FUEL TRUCK SO THAT WOULD STILL BE DEPENDING UPON THAT PO THAT'S OUT THERE TO ACTUALLY TRANSPORT FUEL FROM THESE TANKS TO THE ACTUAL AIRCRAFT, THE WAY THE CURRENT SETUP IS. BUT THIS GIVES US GREATER CAPACITY, GREATER UPTIME, RELIABILITY.
WE'VE HAD SIGNIFICANT ISSUES WITH THE AVGAS SIDE OF THINGS WHERE PARTS ARE HARD TO COME BY FOR THE EXISTING IMPROVEMENT THAT WE HAVE, TO KEEP IT WHERE IT CAN CONSTANTLY FLOW THE FUEL IT NEEDS TO FOR THE AIRPORT TO GROW AND FOR ITS ECONOMIC IMPACT TO CONTINUE TO INCREASE IN OUR REGION. THIS IS AN ABSOLUTE NECESSITY AND THE AWESOME PART IS WE SECURED A GRANT THAT WILL PAY FOR 90%. I BELIEVE THAT FAA GRANT SO WE ARE ONLY ON THE HOOK FOR 10% OF THE TOTAL PROJECT COST, NOT JUST THE ENGINEERING.
>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS AND/OR A MOTION?
>> WE APPROVE. >> I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
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PLEASE VOTE.ITEM PASSES 6-0. OPENING ITEM 2025-148, NOMINATION FOR THE PARKS BOARD APPOINTMENT AND THE SUBCOMMITTEE HAS RECOMMENDED CHRIS CANNOT, IS THAT HOW YOU SAY IT? SO THAT'S THE RECOMMENDATION FROM THE SUBCOMMITTEE. DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? AND/OR A MOTION?
>> I HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND. >> PLEASE NOTE.
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AND ITEM PASSES 6-0. >> 2025-149. BC WRITER. SO THE -- THE MAYOR HAS THE AUTHORITY TO APPOINT A SUBCOMMITTEE AS NEEDED. THEY ARE PROPOSED MEMBERS FOR THIS SUBCOMMITTEE TO WORK ALONG WITH STAFF ON DRAFTING SOME TYPE OF AGREEMENT WITH THE YMCA, IS ALAN MOORMAN, MIKE RODGERS AND ROSS WEAVER.
ANYONE HAVE ANY COMMENTS ON OR A MOTION? WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE. A SECOND? ALL SECOND. MOTION AND SECOND, PLEASE VOTE.
[EXECUTIVE SESSION]
ITEM PASSES 6-0. THE COUNCIL WILL NOW CONVENE -- THE CITY COUNCIL WILL NOW CONVENE INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION PURSUANT TO THE FOLLOWING SECTIONS OF THE TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE, EXECUTIVE SESSION ITEMS ARE TO BE DISCUSSED IN CLOSE SESSION BUT ANY AND ALL ACTION IS TAKEN IN REGULAR OPEN SESSION. SECTION 551.072, REAL ESTATE DELIBERATION REGARDING>> IT IS 9:13 AND THE CITY COUNCIL
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