[010 Conduct a public hearing and consider and act upon an ordinance amending the regulations relating to the use and development of 10.284+ acres out of the William Hawkins Survey, Abstract No. 465 by changing the zoning from Planned Development District No. 2 to Planned Development District No. 170 (PD-170) for a mixed-use development. The property is generally located on the south side of East Ridge Drive and north of Main Street. (Z17-2025-032)]

PLATTS THIS MONTH. >> WE'RE GONNA MOVE TO 00 OR 010, PUBLIC HEARINGS. CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING AND CONSIDER AND ACT UPON AN ORDINANCE AMENDING THE REGULATIONS RELATING TO THE USE OF DEVELOPMENT OF 10.284 PLUS OR MINUS ACRES OF THE WILLIAM HAWKINS SURVEY ABSTRACT NUMBER 465 BY CHANGING THE ZONING FROM PLANNED DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT NUMBER TWO TO PLANNED DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT NUMBER 170. IT'S LOCATED ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF EAST RIDGE DRIVE AND NORTH OF MAIN STREET.

>> SO THIS REQUEST IS A REZONE FROM PLANNED DEVELOPMENT TWO FOR VARIOUS USES TO PD-170 FOR MIXED USES. IT'S BROKEN INTO THREE SUBDISTRICTS. THE FIRST ONE IS VERTICAL MIXED USE, WHICH IS RETAIL ON THE BOTTOM, RETAIL AND SERVICES ON THE BOTTOM, AND THEN RESIDENTIAL ON THE SECOND AND THIRD FLOORS. COMMUNITY RETAIL IS THE THIRD TRACT, AND TOWN HOMES IS THE SECOND SUBDISTRICT.

THE SITE IS 10.284 ACRES. IT'S UNDEVELOPED CURRENTLY. IT'S SHOWN ON THE COMP TOWN AS NEW TOWN MODULE, WHICH APPROPRIATE DEVELOPMENT WOULD BE SINGLE FAMILY ATTACHED, VERTICAL MIXED USE, AND GENERAL COMMERCIAL USES. SO THIS IS WHERE THE BOUNDARIES OF THE SUBDISTRICT ARE LOCATED, AND THIS IS IN THE ORDINANCE. THE TOWN HOMES INCLUDE AN OPEN SPACE AREA THAT WILL BE ALONG THE FLOODPLAIN. THERE'S A LOW POINT HERE, AND IT WOULD BE IN THIS AREA. SO TO THE NORTH, YOU HAVE PD-33, WHICH

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IS MULTI-FAMILY AND GENERAL PROFESSIONAL USES, AND PD-71 IS FOR TOWN HOMES. THAT'S MAPLE RIDGE TOWN HOMES. THERE ARE 12 DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE. AND THEN YOU ALSO HAVE MAGNOLIA VIEW, I BELIEVE. AND IT'S, THE PD IS FOR 20 DWELLING UNITS MAX.

I ESTIMATE IT'S MAYBE 16 OR 17 DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THAT'S JUST THE MAXIMUM. BUT I COULDN'T FIND THE UNITS. THEN TO THE SOUTH, YOU HAVE PD-36 FOR COMMUNITY RETAIL USES AND THE COMMERCIAL DISTRICT. YOU HAVE VARIOUS USES LIKE EARTH TONES AND UNION 28 AND OTHER COMMERCIAL USES. TO THE EAST IS ALSO PART OF PD-2 FOR COMMERCIAL, INDUSTRIAL USES, AND IT'S UNDEVELOPED. AND TO THE WEST IS PD-2 FOR MULTI-FAMILY AND COMMERCIAL USES. THOSE ARE RETAIL, SERVICE, RESTAURANT TYPE USES AS WELL. SO THIS DOES HIT UPON A NUMBER OF OUR GOALS AND STRATEGIES. LAND USE ONE STRATEGY 1A SUPPORTS MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT BY ESTABLISHING A MIX OF RESIDENTIAL AND NON-RESIDENTIAL USES, WHICH IS WHAT WE DID WITH OUR HOUSING POLICY TOOL. GOAL OF LAND USE 3A, ENCOURAGES THAT PEOPLE LIVE NEAR WHERE THEY WORK. SO WE'RE ESTABLISHING MORE OPPORTUNITIES FOR MIXED USE AND LIVE-WORK SITUATIONS. AND ALLOWING FOR DENSER RESIDENTIAL PROJECTS NEAR EMPLOYMENT CENTERS. OUR COMMUNITY CHARACTER AND HEALTH GOAL STRATEGY TO BE ENCOURAGES MIXED USE DEVELOPMENTS THAT BLEND RESIDENTIAL, COMMERCIAL, AND RECREATIONAL SPACES TO CREATE ATTRACTIVE STREETSCAPES ALONG MAJOR THOROUGHFARES. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH THIS TOOL. THIS WAS PRESENTED WHEN THE COMP PLAN WAS PRESENTED TO CITY COUNCIL IN OCTOBER OF LAST YEAR. YOU HAVE DIFFERENT HOUSING TYPOLOGIES. AND THEN WE ASSESSED WHAT WAS EXISTING AND WHAT WAS ENTITLED AND THEN SET GOALS FOR WHAT WE, YOU KNOW, THOUGHT WOULD BE A GOOD BLEND.

AND THEN TRIED TO SHOOT FOR THOSE GOALS. WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO AVOID IS JUST, YOU KNOW, GARDEN-STYLE MULTI-FAMILY, WHICH IS THE MAGNOLIA VIEW APARTMENTS. AS JACKIE POINTED OUT, I HAVE THESE NUMBERS A LITTLE OFF. IT IS 60 FOR MULTI-FAMILY. IT'S 61 FOR THE TOWN HOMES. BUT THAT DOESN'T AFFECT THIS PERCENTAGE.

SO THAT WOULD DROP YOU A LITTLE BIT BELOW THE, YOU KNOW, BREAK-EVEN POINT OF 0.0. BUT IT WOULD TAKE 14 TOWN HOMES TO GET YOU THERE. HOWEVER, YOU KNOW, IT SUBSTANTIALLY CONFORMS TO THESE POLICIES. THE, UM, THE MIXED USE, VERTICAL MIXED USE BUILDINGS ARE HERE. THIS IS BUILDING B. THIS IS BUILDING A.

THERE IS A CLUBHOUSE AND FITNESS CENTER, AND THESE ARE ALL ON ONE SUBDISTRICT. AND THEN THE TOWN HOMES ARE LOCATED IN ANOTHER SUBDISTRICT ALONG WITH THE OPEN SPACE, POSSIBLY DETENTION AREA.

AND THEN THIS IS THE COMMUNITY RETAIL AREA. FOR THE VERTICAL MIXED USE, RETAIL AND SERVICE USES ARE LOCATED ON THE FIRST FLOOR. THE NON-RESIDENTIAL PARKING IS ONE SPACE PER 30 SQUARE FEET. THE MULTI-FAMILY IS TWO SPACES PER UNIT FOR THE FIRST 50 MULTI-FAMILY UNITS, SO THAT'S 100 SPACES WITH 1.75 FOR ADDITIONAL UNITS, AND THAT IS 18 SPACES. SO YOU HAVE A TOTAL OF 208 SPACES. THE MAXIMUM HEIGHT IS 50 FEET. FOR THE CLUBHOUSE FITNESS CENTER, IT'S 25 FEET. THE NON-RESIDENTIAL USES INCLUDE RESTAURANTS LESS THAN 2,000 SQUARE FEET, BEAUTY SALONS, ART STUDIOS, MEDICAL/DENTAL OFFICES, GENRE TAIL USES. SO IT IS LIMITED IN WHAT THEY CAN DO. I'M NOT GONNA GO OVER THIS. IF THE APPLICANT CHOOSES TO DO SO, A LOT OF THIS IS MARKETING, AND IT IS INCLUDED IN THE PD AT THE, YOU KNOW, WITH THE PERMISSION OF

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THE APPLICANT. A LOT OF THIS WE TALKED ABOUT WITH THE PARKING AND ALLOWABLE USES. BUT IN TERMS OF THE TYPES OF UNITS, I'LL LET HER GO INTO THAT. UM, THIS IS WHAT THE ELEVATIONS WOULD LOOK LIKE. THIS IS THE MIXED USE BUILDING A SIDE AND REAR ELEVATIONS IN FRONT. AND A RENDERING OF WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE IN CONTEXT WITH THE CLUBHOUSE. THE CLUBHOUSE LEASING, IT'S 360 ARCHITECTURE. IT FITS THE ARCHITECTURE OF THE SITE. THERE ARE 61 TOWN HOME UNITS ON THE 6.61-ACRE SITE. THE COMMON AREA IS A MINIMUM OF 1.42 ACRES. THE TOTAL PARKING SPACES ARE 149 SPACES WITH AN ADDITIONAL TWO SPACES PER UNIT.

I'M SORRY, 124 SPACES WITH THE GARAGES. AND THEN OFF-STREET VISITOR PARKING IS 25 SPACES. SO THESE ARE 30 FEET TALL OR TWO STORIES MAXIMUM HEIGHT. AND THEY WILL HAVE, UM, SOME DIVERSITY BUILT INTO THE ELEVATIONS. SO THIS IS A SCHEME OF WHAT THE TOWN HOME ELEVATIONS WOULD LOOK LIKE. THE COMMUNITY RETAIL DISTRICT IS REQUIRED TO HAVE A DETAILED SITE PLAN GO TO PNZ AND COUNCIL BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE THE DETAIL OF IT YET. IT COULD BE VERY DIFFERENT DEPENDING ON THE USE. BUT, YOU KNOW, I WOULD ENVISION THAT IT WOULD BE SIMILAR TO WHAT YOU SEE, YOU KNOW, TO THE WEST. COMMUNITY RETAIL IS THE BASE ZONING. IT'S CONSISTENT WITH THE ADJACENT PROPERTIES. THERE ARE PROHIBITED USES. CAR WASH, GAS STATION, FEED STORE, COMMERCIAL PARKING, IMPOUND OR SHELTER, AND THOSE ARE LISTED IN THE PD. ALL LANDSCAPE WITH COMPLY. THE EASEMENT THAT CONNECTS WITH THE BACK OF THE SITE DOES NOT GO DIRECTLY THROUGH TO LIMIT ANY KIND OF PASS-THROUGH TRAFFIC. THERE IS A RETAIL AND SERVICE CONNECTION WITH THE VERTICAL MIXED USE, BUT IT IS LOCATED FURTHER IN, AND IT'S STAGGERED, AGAIN, TO REDUCE CUT THROUGH. SO THIS IS THE MONUMENT SIGN THAT WOULD BE LOCATED ALONG EAST RIDGE. THE ONE ALONG MAIN STREET WOULD BE REVIEWED AT THE TIME OF SITE PLAN SUBMITTAL. AND THEN THE WROUGHT IRON FENCE AS WELL.

SO THE AMENITIES BEING PROVIDED FOR THE ENTRYWAYS, THERE WILL BE STAINED AND STAMPED PAVING WITH LANDSCAPED ENTRY MONUMENTS. THE COMMON AREAS WILL INCLUDE AT LEAST FIVE SEATING AREAS, 50 SQUARE FEET OF SHADE STRUCTURE. THE PLAYGROUND WILL HAVE NOT LESS THAN 12,000 SQUARE FEET WITH NO FEWER THAN THREE PIECES OF EQUIPMENT, AND THERE WILL BE OUTDOOR ATHLETIC AREAS FOR TRAILS AND TRAIL STATIONS AND A DOG PARK. SO THIS IS WHAT THE LANDSCAPING PLAN SHOWS. THERE ARE STREET YARDS FOR THE TOWN HOMES SO THAT THEY ENGAGE THE STREET. AM I POINTING? AND THEN 10-FOOT BUFFER IN MOST AREAS WITH 22 SHADE TREES. AND WHEREVER THERE'S PARKING LOTS, THEY'LL BE SCREENED FROM THE RIGHT OF WAY WITH SHRUBS. WITHIN THE PARKING LOT, YOU'LL HAVE 20 SHADE TREES WITH LANDSCAPED ISLANDS AND SIDEWALKS. IN THE COMMON AREA, THEY ARE DETERMINED TO PRESERVE AS MANY TREES AS POSSIBLE. AND YOU CAN TELL FROM WHERE THEY'RE PLANTING THAT THERE ARE QUITE A FEW TREES IN THE SOUTHERN AREA. 27 LETTERS WERE MAILED TO PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN 200 FEET OF THE SITE. THE APPLICANT SENT LETTERS TO EVERYONE WITHIN 200 FEET AND SPOKE TO A FEW PEOPLE. STAFF HAS RECEIVED ONE LETTER OF SUPPORT.

SO STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THIS PROJECT, AND WE'LL ANSWER

ANY QUESTIONS. >> QUESTIONS?

>> I HAVE A FEW. >> OKAY.

>> IT'S KIND OF CONFUSING LOOKING AT THIS SITE PLAN. IS THERE NO ACCESS FROM MAIN STREET OTHER THAN FOR THE, DID YOU SAY

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FOR THE DUMPSTER? WHAT WERE YOU SAYING ON THAT? LOOKS LIKE THEY'RE COMING IN FROM THAT SCOOTER'S.

>> YEAH. THIS IS EXISTING. SO IF YOU SEE WHERE I'M POINTING ON THIS SCREEN, I'M SORRY, I DON'T THINK IT POINTS THERE.

THERE IS AN EXISTING EASEMENT THAT RUNS BEHIND THE EXISTING RETAIL AND SERVICE AREAS. AND SO SCOOTER'S WILL CONNECT WITH THAT. THEY'RE GOING TO SHARE ACCESS TO MAIN STREET WITH SCOOTER'S, THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT. SO THEY'LL BE ABLE TO COME ALONG LIKE ALL THESE OTHER BUSINESSES AND USE THIS SHARED ACCESS EASEMENT AT THE BACK OF THE SITE. ORIGINALLY, THEY SHOWED A CONNECTION WHERE THIS DUMPSTER LOCATION IS SHOWN, AND STAFF DISCOURAGED THAT NOT WANTING TO SEE PASS-THROUGH TRAFFIC. SO THE ONLY, LIKE FOR THEIR RETAIL, WHICH WILL BE HERE, THERE IS ACCESS HERE, WHICH IF SOMEBODY WERE COMING THROUGH, THEY WOULD EITHER GO TO EAST RIDGE OR IF THEY WANTED TO GO TO THE OTHER RETAIL HERE, BUT THEY WOULDN'T HAVE A REASON TO

PASS THROUGH THE TOWN HOMES. >> THERE'S, YOU'RE CALLING IT COMMUNITY RETAIL, BUT THEY INTEND TO HAVE SOMETHING THERE? PARKING AND ALL OF THAT, I GUESS?

>> YES. THAT ONE IS REQUIRED TO COME BACK FOR THE SITE PLAN SO THEY CAN PROVIDE THE SAME DETAIL THAT WE SEE ON THE PROPERTIES TO

THE WEST. >> AND THEN YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT THIS TOOL, THIS HOUSING POLICY TOOL. FROM WHAT I CAN GATHER, IT LOOKS LIKE WE'RE ON THE STAND-ALONE MULTI-FAMILY, WE'RE 9% PLUS OVER ON THAT. IS THAT CORRECT?

>> RIGHT. THAT IS, UM, YOU KNOW, TAKING INTO ACCOUNT UNITS THAT

ARE ENTITLED. >> RIGHT.

>> NOT BUILT NECESSARILY. AND THEN COUNCIL WANTED TO SEE US GET SOME OF THESE OTHER PRODUCTS TO KIND OF BALANCE OUT THAT

GARDEN STYLE. >> THE ONLY DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE STAND-ALONE MULTI-FAMILY AND THE VERTICAL MIXED USE IS THERE'S SOME KIND OF RETAIL COMMERCIAL ON THE BOTTOM.

THAT'S THE ONLY DIFFERENCE? >> YES, SIR.

>> THANK YOU. >> IT ALSO, I MEAN, I'LL SAY THIS. THAT WITH VERTICAL MIXED USE, I MEAN IT'S THE DEVELOPMENT AS A WHOLE. THE STAND-ALONE MULTI-FAMILY A LOT OF TIMES LOOKS LIKE THE GARDEN STYLE, LIKE WHAT IS ACROSS THE STREET. THE VERTICAL MIXED USE, THERE'S AN ATTEMPT TO DEVELOP A RELATIONSHIP AMONG THE BUILDINGS AND TO ENGAGE THE STREET. SO THE WHOLE PRODUCT IS DIFFERENT IN NATURE.

>> OKAY. >> MARY, LOOKING AT THE SITE PLAN THERE, EITHER ONE, SO WHERE THEY HAVE THEIR PARK AT.

>> UH-HUH. >> DID I UNDERSTAND CORRECTLY,

THAT'S A FLOOD ZONE? >> A PORTION OF IT IS. UM, THE APPLICANT PROVIDED A DIAGRAM SHOWING WHAT IS NOT A FLOOD ZONE. SO THERE'S A SMALL AREA. I'LL LET HER GO THROUGH THAT, BUT QUITE A BIT OF IT IS EITHER FLOOD ZONE OR A LOW POINT. SO THAT'S WHY THEY'RE TAKING INTO ACCOUNT THAT THERE MAY NEED TO BE DETENTION, AND THEY'RE DETERMINED TO PRESERVE THE FLOODPLAIN AND THE TREES AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE.

>> OKAY. LOOKING AT THIS, IS THIS A CONCRETE WALKING PATH? IS

THIS GRANITE? >> IT'S CONCRETE.

>> IT'S CONCRETE. >> AND THE MIXED USE BUILDING, THE VERY LONG BUILDING, WHAT ARE THE RESTRICTIONS THERE WHEN IT'S COMBINED HOUSING AND COMMERCIAL? LIKE FROM

MIDLOTHIAN'S STANDPOINT? >> I'M SORRY. WHAT WAS THE

QUESTION AGAIN? >> THE TYPE OF BUSINESSES THAT WOULD BE IN THAT MIXED USE, DO WE HAVE ANY RESTRICTIONS THAT WE PUT IN WHEN YOU HAVE RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL IN THE SAME

BUILDING LIKE THAT? >> YEAH. I MEAN, IT'S ACTUALLY NOT A NEW CONCEPT FOR MIDLOTHIAN. WE HAVE THE LAWSON DISTRICT, AND WE'VE INTRODUCED THE CONCEPT PREVIOUSLY. SO IT, YOU KNOW, LIKE JUST ABOUT EVERY CITY AROUND US HAS VERTICAL MIXED USE NOW. SO IF YOU WANTED TO SEE SOME, UM, EXAMPLES, I THINK YOU COULD JUST GO TO CEDAR HILL OR ARLINGTON OR GRAND

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PRAIRIE OR FORT WORTH. >> LET ME REPHRASE. IN THIS ORDINANCE, ARE THERE ANY LIMITATIONS TO THE TYPES OF BUSINESSES THAT CAN BE IN THIS PARTICULAR MIXED USE?

>> YES. YES. SO IT SPECIFICALLY, LET ME SEE IF I CAN FIND THE TABLE. THAT BIG TABLE. IT'S LIMITED SPECIFICALLY TO RESTAURANTS LESS THAN 2,000 SQUARE FEET. BEAUTY SALON, BARBERSHOP, ART STUDIO, A DRY CLEANER FOR PICK UP ONLY, MEDICAL THERE SHALL DENTAL OFFICE, MAIL SERVICES, GENRE TAIL STORES, WHICH WE DO HAVE DEFINED.

>> AND WITH THE RESTAURANTS, AND FORGIVE ME FOR ASKING, BUT WHAT IS THE PROCESS WHEN THEY SERVE ALCOHOL?

>> SO IT'S THE SAME AS ANY RESTAURANT THAT REQUESTS ALCOHOL PERMITS. THEY HAVE TO DETERMINE THE DISTANCE FROM SCHOOLS OR CHURCHES. DID YOU WANT TO ADD TO THAT, KEVIN?

>> NO, NO, NO. >> I'M JUST TRYING TO MAKE SURE I'M UNDERSTANDING WHAT'S GONNA BE IN THIS BUILDING SINCE WE HAVEN'T HAD ANYTHING SPECIFICALLY LIKE THIS PREVIOUSLY. I'M JUST TRYING TO GET A BETTER UNDERSTANDING.

MAYBE THE APPLICANT CAN SPEAK ON WHAT THEIR INTENTIONS ARE.

>> SHE CAN. AND LAWSON DISTRICT IS PRETTY SIMILAR TO THIS ACROSS THE STREET, SO. BUT YES, SHE CAN PROBABLY ADD ON TO THAT.

>> OTHER QUESTIONS FROM STAFF? OKAY. IS THAT IT, MARY?

>> YES, SIR. >> IS THE APPLICANT PRESENT AND WISH TO SPEAK? PLEASE COME FORWARD AND IDENTIFY YOURSELF.

>> AND THEN YOU JUST SCROLL THAT BACK AND FORTH. GOT IT?

>> GOOD DEAL. MAKE SURE THEY CAN HEAR ME. ALL RIGHT. CAN YOU HEAR ME? WONDERFUL. MY NAME IS AUDRA BUCKLEY. YOU NEED MY ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD? 2203 YORKSTOWN DRIVE. WE HAVE BEEN WORKING ON THIS FOR A COUPLE OF YEARS. AS A MATTER OF FACT WHEN WE FIRST STARTED OUT, WE STARTED WORKING WITH BRIAN WHO WAS A PLANNER WHO'S NOT HERE ANYMORE, AND WE WERE IN THE OTHER BUILDING. SO WENT THROUGH AND WATCHED ALL OF THE COMP PLAN PROCESS WHEN YOU WERE GOING THROUGH THAT, AND WE ACTUALLY SHOWED UP TO SOME OF THOSE MEETINGS IN PERSON TO TALK ABOUT THOSE THINGS. BECAUSE ORIGINALLY, THIS SITE WAS ALL COMMERCIAL AND INDUSTRIAL. AND WE KNEW THAT, THAT WAS NOT GOING TO BE A GOOD FIT HERE. SO WE HAD TRIED TO COME IN FOR A REZONING, BUT BECAUSE YOU WERE COMING IN WITH A COMP PLAN, WE HAD TO WAIT. SO WE'RE FINALLY HERE.

WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON THIS WITH STAFF. WE THINK WE HAVE IT WHERE WE WANT IT TO GO. THIS IS THE EXISTING CONDITION RIGHT NOW.

THERE'S A LOT OF CIVIL ENGINEERING THAT'S GOING TO GO INTO PLACE ON THIS. AND OF COURSE, I THINK WE'VE KIND OF HAMMERED DOWN THE SITE PLAN HERE WITH THE 61 UNITS AND THE 60 APARTMENTS. THIS DRAWING I REALLY LIKED. I WAS GLAD THAT MARY PUT IT IN HER PRESENTATION AS WELL. IT TAKES AWAY SOME OF THE BUSYNESS. WE HAVE A FLOODPLAIN DOWN THERE THAT'S SHOWN AS COMMON AREA. THAT'S GOING TO BE TIED IN WITH THE TOWN HOMES. THE TOWN HOMES WILL BE A CONDO ASSOCIATION, WHICH WILL FUNCTION A LOT LIKE AN HOA. SO THERE WILL BE PEOPLE MAINTAINING IT, EVERYTHING INSIDE THIS AREA THAT'S NOT IN THE PUBLIC WAY IS GOING TO BE MAINTAINED BY THE CONDO ASSOCIATION. SO WE REALLY THOUGHT THAT THIS WAS GONNA BE A REALLY GOOD PROJECT FOR THIS AREA, ESPECIALLY AFTER LISTENING TO SOME OF THE COMMENTARY ABOUT THE VERTICAL MIXED USE AND HAVING A WALKABLE CORRIDOR-ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT.

AND WE THINK THAT THIS PARTICULAR PLAN KIND OF HELPS BRING SOME OF THE POLICIES AND THINGS THAT'S BEEN DISCUSSED BY THE CITY OF MIDLOTHIAN TO FRUITION. ALSO, WE LIKE THE MIX HERE. IT'S RARE THAT I GET TO DO ONE OF THESE, AND I LOVE DOING THESE WHERE YOU HAVE, THEY'RE CALLING IT LIFE CYCLE HOUSING NOW, WHICH IS A FANCY BUZZ WORD. IT USED TO BE CALLED AGING IN PLACE OR WHATEVER. NOW IT'S LIFE CYCLE HOUSING, WHICH IS GREAT BECAUSE WE HAVE A COMBINATION OF RENTAL UNITS WITH THE VERTICAL MIXED USE, AND THEN WE HAVE THE FOR-SALE UNITS WITH THE TOWN HOMES. AND IT'S ONE OF THOSE THINGS WHERE IF YOU'RE A COUPLE THAT HAVE KIDS AND, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE LIVING IN AN APARTMENT OR YOU'RE MARRIED AND YOU WANNA HAVE KIDS, YOU LIVE IN AN APARTMENT, YOU WANT TO BUY A TOWN HOME, BUT YOU DON'T WANT TO LEAVE THE AREA. TOWN HOMES, THERE'S MORE THAN LIKELY GOING TO BE ONE FOR SALE AT SOME POINT. IT WORKS THE SAME IN REVERSE. SO YOU HAVE THE 61 TOWN HOMES AND MAYBE THE KIDS LEAVE HOME, AND THEY DECIDE THEY WANT TO MOVE IN THE APARTMENT BECAUSE

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THEY DON'T WANT TO LEAVE THE AREA. THAT'S THE GOAL WITH THIS, IS TO MAKE THIS AS NICE AS POSSIBLE SO PEOPLE WANT TO COME HERE AND LIVE AND WORK AND STAY. THE OTHER PART OF THIS IS, WE LIKE THE IDEA OF BEING ABLE TO REDUCE THE NUMBER OF TRIPS. THIS VERTICAL MIXED USE AND THE COMMERCIAL THAT WE'RE GONNA BE SUPPLYING IS NOT JUST GOING TO BENEFIT THE RESIDENTS THAT LIVE ON THE PROPERTY, BUT IT'S ALSO GOING TO PROVIDE AN AMENITY FOR THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE ACROSS EAST RIDGE. YOU HAVE MULTIFAMILY AND TOWN HOMES OVER THERE. IF WE CAN GET EVERYBODY WALKING, THAT'S GREAT. THE COMMON AREA I SHOWED YOU THAT'S PART OF THE TOWNHOUSE DEVELOPMENT THAT'S GOING TO BE MAINTAINED BY THE CONDO ASSOCIATION WILL BE ABLE TO BE USED BY THE PUBLIC. IT'S NOT GOING TO BE DEDICATED AS A PUBLIC PARK, BUT IT WILL BE A PRIVATE PARK MAINTAINED BY THE CONDO ASSOCIATION. THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS WE TALKED OVER WITH STAFF WAS ALLOWING OTHER PEOPLE TO COME IN AND USE IT. LET'S SEE. AND I THINK MARY WAS GONNA LEAD ME WITH THIS TABLE. OKAY. SO IN THE, I STOLE HER TABLE ACTUALLY. HA. SO THIS TABLE SHOWS WHERE WE HAVE THE APARTMENTS. THERE'S HIGHER DEMAND FOR ONE BED, ONE BATH.

THERE'S A LOT OF GEN Z, A LOT OF YOUNG KIDS HAVING A HARD TIME FINDING PLACES TO LIVE WHERE THEY WANNA LIVE. WE HAVE THE TWO BEDROOM, TWO BATH FOR THOSE THAT MAYBE WANT A ROOMMATE OR MAYBE THEY HAVE A KID. IT COULD BE A SINGLE MOM. WE DON'T KNOW. BUT WE WANTED AT LEAST SOME UNITS TO SERVE THAT PURPOSE. AS MARY SAID, WE ARE GOING TO MAINTAIN THE PARKING HERE. IT WILL BE SHARED PARKING IN THE AREAS WHERE IT MAKES SENSE. SO IF ON THE WEEKEND IF THE OFFICES, IF THERE'S OFFICE SPACES OR WHATEVER ELSE OR RETAIL THAT'S CLOSED ON A SUNDAY OR WHATNOT AND SOMEBODY WANTS TO HAVE A BIRTHDAY PARTY, WE DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT WHERE THEY'RE GOING TO PARK. THE WHOLE IDEA IS TO SHARE AND SHARE ALIKE, SO TO SPEAK. WITH THE 61 UNITS, WE'RE A LITTLE BIT OVER PARKED. WE HAVE 20 FEET BETWEEN THE GARAGE DOOR AND THE DRIVES. SO WE CAN ACTUALLY, IF SOMEBODY HAS A VISITOR, SOMEBODY CAN ACTUALLY PARK ON THAT PAD, WHICH IS GREAT. AND IT'S WIDE ENOUGH FOR TWO CARS. SO WE REALLY LIKE THAT PART OF THAT TOO. BECAUSE I'M NOT OF THE NEW MINDSET THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE TO GET RID OF ALL THE PARKING BECAUSE THIS IS TEXAS. EVERYBODY'S GOT A CAR. I IMAGINE EVERYBODY TOOK ONE TO GET HERE. AND THE PERMITTED USES IN THE TOWNHOUSE OPEN SPACE DISTRICT, SHE'S SHOWING HERE NO FEWER THAN THREE, NO MORE THAN SIX. WE ACTUALLY DO HAVE ONE THAT HAS TWO UNITS ONLY. AND SO THAT'S WHERE THE DUPLEX COMES IN, IN THE LIST. AND THAT'S WHAT I HAVE FOR YOU. NOW, I DO HAVE THE ARCHITECT HERE IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT ARCHITECTURE, AND I DO HAVE THE CIVIL ENGINEER HERE IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT ENGINEERING BECAUSE THAT IS NOT MY WHEELHOUSE.

>> OKAY. QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT?

>> HI. GARAGES ON THAT MIXED USE. IN THE PICTURES, I SAW GARAGES ON SOME OF THE UNITS, AT LEAST I THINK THEY'RE GARAGES.

>> THAT'S ON THE TOWNHOUSE UNITS.

>> OKAY. SO ON THE -- >> LET ME SEE IF I CAN BACK THIS

THING UP. >> THAT'S NOT A GARAGE?

>> LET ME SEE IF I CAN GO FIND IT.

>> OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SO NO GARAGES FOR THESE 61 APARTMENTS.

>> THE 60 APARTMENTS, YES, THERE'S NO GARAGES THERE.

>> IS THERE ANY COVERED PARKING FOR THOSE 60 UNITS?

>> WE DO NOT SHOW THEM CURRENTLY AS COVERED. WOULD YOU LIKE THEM

COVERED? >> YES.

>> OKAY. ALL OF THEM OR A PERCENTAGE OF THEM? ALL OF THEM

OR AS MANY AS WE CAN FIGURE OUT? >> YEAH. IT'S TEXAS, RIGHT?

>> YEAH. >> IT'S EITHER REALLY, REALLY HOT OR IT'S REALLY, REALLY COLD.

>> THIS IS TRUE. >> AND I UNDERSTAND THE LAWSON DISTRICT DOES NOT HAVE ANY COVERED OR RESERVED PARKING FOR

ANY OF THEIR UNITS. >> OKAY.

>> AND I'M ALREADY, AS A REAL ESTATE AGENT, I'M ALREADY HEARING PUSH BACK ON THAT. I LIKE THAT YOU'VE GOT DEDICATED PARKING, BUT NOT HAVING A PARKING GARAGE OR ANY KIND OF COVERED PARKING FOR THOSE 60 UNITS I WOULD SEE AS A

DETRIMENT. >> OKAY. SO COULD WE PUT THE COVERED PARKING LIKE UP AGAINST THE BUILDING? UP AGAINST THE

BUILDINGS? >> I THINK THAT WOULD BE.

>> YEAH, I WOULD ASK MARY WHAT HAVE WE REQUIRED OF OTHER APARTMENT AND MULTI-FAMILY HOUSING IN THE PAST?

>> WE'VE USUALLY LEFT THAT AT THE DISCRETION OF THE APPLICANT.

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SO. HERE'S THE ARCHITECT, I THINK.

>> THERE'S A REASON WHY I BRING 'EM.

>> MY NAME IS MICHAEL SMITH. OUR COMPANY ADDRESS IS 111 SOUTH KENTUCKY IN MCKENNEY. THE MAIN ARGUMENT ABOUT NOT HAVING COVERED PARKING, ESPECIALLY DIRECTLY AROUND THE BUILDINGS IS THAT IT WOULD BLOCK THE VIEW OF THE ACTUAL COMMERCIAL SPACE ON THE GROUND FLOOR. NOW, WE COULD CERTAINLY DO COVERED PARKING LIKE, YOU KNOW, WHERE IT'S NEXT TO THE POOL, IN FRONT OF THE CLUBHOUSE, THINGS LIKE THAT. BUT PUTTING IT RIGHT UP NEXT TO THE ACTUAL COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS, IT PROBABLY WOULD BE A DETRIMENT TO ACTUALLY LEASING THAT SPACE. AND IF WE'RE BEING COMPLETELY HONEST, THAT 27,000 SQUARE FEET OF COMMERCIAL SPACE IS GOING TO BE THE ABSOLUTE HARDEST THING TO LEASE ON THIS WHOLE PROJECT. THE APARTMENTS ARE GOING TO GO LIKE HOT CAKES, SO ARE THE TOWN HOMES. THE COMMERCIAL SPACE WILL BE THE HARDEST THING TO ACTUALLY

FILL UP. SO. >> I WISH I COULD AGREE WITH THAT, BUT I DON'T. I THINK YOU'RE GONNA GET THAT LEASED

VERY QUICKLY. >> I HOPE YOU'RE RIGHT.

>> AS SOMEONE WHO'S ALWAYS LOOKING FOR COMMERCIAL SPACE, I THINK YOU'RE GONNA GET THAT JUST FINE. YA'LL ALLUDED TO SEEING THIS IN OTHER COMMUNITIES. WHEN I THINK ABOUT LIKE UPTOWN DALLAS, WHICH HAS THIS TYPE OF MIXED USE, THEY USUALLY HAVE A PARKING GARAGE RIGHT NEXT DOOR OR SOMETHING THAT CONNECTS. BECAUSE IF YOU'VE GOT ALL THESE BUSINESSES, YOU DON'T NECESSARILY WANT YOUR CAR BLOCKING THOSE BUSINESSES. THOSE BUSINESSES WOULD NEED PARKING AS WELL.

>> I WOULD SAY IN UPTOWN DALLAS, THAT'S TRUE. IN SUBURBAN MIDLOTHIAN, THAT'S NOT TRUE. RETAIL DIES IF IT DOESN'T HAVE PARKING RIGHT IN FRONT OF IT. BECAUSE IT'S HOT, PEOPLE DON'T WANT TO WALK TO IT. THEY WANT TO PARK THEIR CAR AND WALK 10 FEET

IN THE FRONT DOOR. >> SO THAT POINT BEING MADE, MY CONCERN IS YOU HAVE BUSINESSES BLOCKING THOSE SPOTS AND A RESIDENT THAT DOESN'T HAVE A SPOT TO BLOCK IN.

>> THE GUIDELINES HAVE A REALLY GOOD TOOL THAT RELATES TO SHARED PARKING, AND WE USED SOME OF THAT TO INFORM, YOU KNOW, WHERE WE'RE PUTTING PARKING AND THE AMOUNT WE'RE DOING. AND THE GOOD NEWS IS THAT THE RETAIL WE'RE WANTING TO DO HERE, YOU KNOW, THE SERVICE-ORIENTED RETAIL, THE RESTAURANTS, THE PEAK HOURS BETWEEN THAT AND RESIDENTIAL ARE POLAR OPPOSITE OF EACH OTHER. THEY'RE 12 HOURS DIFFERENT FROM EACH OTHER. SO FROM A SHARED PARKING PERSPECTIVE, THE USES THAT WE'RE PROPOSING HERE, IT LITERALLY DOESN'T GET ANY BETTER THAN

WHAT WE CAN DO. >> UNLESS IT HAD A PARKING

GARAGE. >> IF WE, THIS DEAL WOULD NOT HAPPEN IF WE TRIED TO DO A PARKING GARAGE. THE ECONOMICS JUST DON'T ALLOW FOR IT. A SERVICE PARKING SPACE COSTS $2,000 TO BUILD. A PARKING GARAGE COSTS $25,000 A SPACE TO BUILD. IT JUST WON'T WORK. LITERALLY WON'T WORK.

>> OKAY. MY ONLY OTHER SUGGESTION THAT I HAD WAS THE PLAYGROUND AND THE PROXIMITY OF THE PLAYGROUND TO THE RESIDENTS.

IT APPEARS THAT YOU'VE GOT THE PLAYGROUND AS FAR AWAY FROM THE RESIDENTS AS YOU CAN AND CLOSE TO MAIN STREET IN THAT FLOOD AREA. I WOULD MAKE A RECOMMENDATION OR SUGGEST THAT THE PLAYGROUND BE MOVED A LITTLE BIT FURTHER NORTH CLOSER TO YOUR

RESIDENTS. >> I THINK WE HAD SOME THOUGHT ABOUT MAYBE SWITCHING IT WITH WHERE THE DOG PARK IS SHOWN TO MAYBE GET A LITTLE CLOSER. WE'RE CERTAINLY OPEN TO AN IDEA LIKE

THAT, FOR SURE. >> WHERE'S THE DOG PARK?

>> IT'S IN THE VERY BOTTOM RIGHT TO THE EAST OF WHERE THE

FLOODPLAIN AREA IS. >> YOU'RE RIGHT. IT'S THERE.

IT'S HARD TO READ. THANK YOU. >> ANYONE ELSE HAVE QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT? OKAY. WE DO NOT HAVE ANYBODY SIGNED UP TO SPEAK, CORRECT? SO EXCUSE ME, THAT BEING THE CASE, I WOULD ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.

>> I MAKE A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.

>> MOTION. IS THERE A SECOND? >> SECOND.

>> WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.

PLEASE VOTE. HAS EVERYBODY VOTED? WELL, THERE IT GOES. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. PUBLIC HEARING IS CLOSED.

THE FLOOR IS NOW OPEN FOR DISCUSSION OR ACTION.

>> I HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION FOR YOU, MARY. IS THERE ANYTHING LIKE THIS VERTICAL MIXED USE OTHER THAN THE LAWSON BUILDING

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THAT WE HAVE IN MIDLOTHIAN THAT YOU'RE AWARE OF?

>> WELL, I MEAN, WE DO HAVE, IT'S NOT A TRUE VERTICAL MIXED USE, BUT WE HAVE THE BUILDINGS THAT ARE ON EIGHTH STREET WHERE THEY HAVE THE REAL ESTATE OFFICES AND THEN THEY HAVE OFFICES ABOVE. YOU KNOW, I DON'T REALLY KNOW WHAT ALL THE USES ARE ON THE SECOND FLOOR. BECAUSE THAT'S TRULY TRADITIONAL DEVELOPMENT IS TO HAVE THE RETAIL ON THE BOTTOM.

>> AND RESIDENTIAL ON TOP? THOSE HAVE RESIDENTIAL ON TOP?

>> I DON'T KNOW. I IMAGINE THAT A LOT OF THEM ARE OFFICES, BUT WE DON'T DCO IS FOR RESIDENTIAL, SO IF SOMEBODY IS LIVING THERE, THEY WOULD BE ALLOWED TO. WE WOULDN'T KNOW.

AND THEN WE HAVE PROBABLY IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA WE HAVE A FEW BUSINESSES WHERE THERE ARE PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN THE HOUSE AS

WELL. >> BUT THE CLOSEST THING THAT'S OF ANY SIZE IS GONNA BE THE LAWSON BUILDING?

>> THAT'S CORRECT. THAT IS CORRECT.

>> THE BUILDINGS OVER BY WHERE FUZZY'S USED TO BE, THOSE ARE RESIDENTIAL, AND THEY ARE OUT FITTED RESIDENTIAL UPSTAIRS, AND IT IS COMMERCIAL DOWNSTAIRS. THAT WOULD BE THE CLOSEST THING TO THIS THAT WE ACTUALLY HAVE OCCUPIED.

>> THOSE ARE RESIDENCES ON TOP. >> THEY ARE. THEY ARE RENTED OUT

RESIDENCES. >> OKAY.

>> HEY, MARY, WAS THERE ANY DISCUSSIONS WITH STAFF OR ENGINEERING ABOUT THE PARKING IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT TO THE ACCESS DRIVE FOR THE ACCESS EASEMENT? COMPLETELY ABUTTING ALL THE OTHER BUSINESSES SURROUNDING THERE?

>> RIGHT. >> CREATING SEPARATION FROM THEMSELVES VERSUS PUTTING THE PARKING DIRECTLY ON THAT ACCESS

DRIVE? >> I THINK IT ACTS THE SAME AS A VERY WIDE FIRE LANE. WE HAVE PARKING THAT IS ADJACENT TO DRIVE AISLES AND FIRE LANES ALL THROUGHOUT THAT DEVELOPMENT.

THIS THIS CASE, IT'S WIDER. SO IT'S PRETTY MUCH THE SAME MANEUVERING ABILITY, IF NOT BETTER.

>> OKAY. >> THE TOWN HOMES, WHEN I'M LOOKING AT THESE AND I CAN SEE THE AREA, I'M LOOKING SPECIFICALLY AT THE ONES IN THE MIDDLE. SO IT'S A ROADWAY? I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT LIKE WHERE'S THE FRONT DOOR, WHERE'S THE ROAD, WHERE'S THE PARKING?

>> OKAY. SO IF YOU LOOK AT THESE WHERE IT SHOWS THIS LITTLE NICHE AREA, THAT'S THE GARAGE AREA. AND SO THE FRONT WOULD BE ON THIS SIDE. SO YOU'D HAVE SOME ENGAGEMENT, LIKE YOU HAVE TOWN HOMES FACING TOWN HOMES, AND THEN THE ACCESS EASEMENT GOES BEHIND AND ACCESSES THE GARAGES ON THIS SIDE. SO THERE'S SOME RELATIONSHIP AMONG THESE TOWN HOMES TO ONE ANOTHER. YOU CAN SEE YOUR NEIGHBOR, AND PEOPLE ARE, YOU KNOW, COMING OUTSIDE ON THIS SIDE. AND THEN THE CARS, THE VEHICULAR TRAFFIC IS CONCENTRATED IN THESE DRIVE AISLES.

>> SO THEN THE ONES THAT ARE FACING THE PARK, THEIR FRONT DOORS ARE FACING THE PARK, IS THAT CORRECT?

>> YES. >> AM I SEEING THAT CORRECTLY?

>> UH-HUH. >> OKAY .

>> I HAVE A CONCERN WITH THE PARKING. THAT ACCESS ROAD ON THE BACK, I THINK MARK MAKES A GOOD POINT. I WORRY ABOUT CARS COMING IN AND OUT. IF I'M TRYING TO PULL IN AND THEN BACK OUT, I'M BACKING OUT DIRECTLY INTO A ROAD. THAT DOES NOT LOOK VERY

WIDE. >> OKAY. IT'S ACTUALLY A MUTUAL

ACCESS EASEMENT. >> RIGHT. SO IF YOU'VE EVER BEEN THROUGH TACO BELL ON THE BACKSIDE, TRAFFIC KIND OF FLIES THROUGH THERE. AND IF I'M THINKING, THAT'S KIND OF WHERE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. SO IT WOULD BE COMING DOWN THAT ROAD.

SO IT'S AN ACCESS EASEMENT, BUT IN THIS CASE IT'S BEING USED AS

A ROADWAY. >> SO I DON'T HAVE AN AERIAL, BUT FOR THESE BUSINESSES YOU'D HAVE, ENVISION THAT YOU HAVE

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PARKING HERE. PRETEND LIKE THERE'S A LINE THERE, AND THE PARKING IS ON EITHER SIDE. AND THEN YOU HAVE PARKING HERE, AND THEN YOU HAVE A DRIVE AISLE SLASH I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S A FIRE LOAN, YOU KNOW, DIVIDING THOSE PARKING AREAS. SO IT'S REALLY THE SAME CONFIGURATION WHERE THEY, YOU KNOW, WOULD USE THE ACCESS EASEMENT TO ACCESS PARKING OR ACCESS -- THERE WOULD PROBABLY BE DOORS ON EVERY SIDE OF THE RETAIL SERVICE BUSINESSES SINCE IT'S NOT, IT'S THREE 360 ARCHITECTURE, SO IT'S MEANT TO BE ACCESSED ON EVERY SIDE. SO, UM, ENVISION HAVE YOU BEEN TO

THE HIGHLANDS IN ARLINGTON? >> I HAVE. BUT SPECIFICALLY LOOKING AT THIS, THE BUILDING YOU POINTED OUT, THAT'S THE UPS STORE. IF YOU'VE EVER TRIED TO GET IN AND OUT OF THE UPS STORE WITHOUT GETTING HIT, IT IS SOMETIMES CHALLENGING. SO THAT'S WHERE I'M LOOKING AT THIS. I BELIEVE IS IT AUTO ZONE OR O'REILLY'S AND THEN SCOOTER'S. LOOKING AT THE PROXIMITY AND WHERE THEY'RE PULLING OUT DIRECTLY ONTO THE ROAD, NOT HAVING COVERED PARKING AND THAT TYPE OF PARKING, NOT GIVING ANY EXTRA SPACE THERE DOESN'T SEEM LIKE A GOOD IDEA

TO ME. >> I WOULD THINK WE WOULD BE ASKING FOR SOMETHING A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT THERE IN THAT ROADWAY USE BECAUSE IT'S NOT JUST AN EASEMENT. IT'S GONNA

BECOME A MINOR ROAD. >> WELL, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, IT IS AN EASEMENT. IT'S REALLY TECHNICALLY THE SAME ON THE GROUND AS ANY OF THESE DRIVE AISLES IN TERMS OF THE PHYSICAL DESIGN OF IT. IT'S NOT CURB AND GUTTER. YOU KNOW, ONE POSSIBILITY, AND THAT'S SOMETHING WE COULD TALK TO OUR TRAFFIC GROUP ABOUT, IS, YOU KNOW, DOING SOME CREATIVE, UM, TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT STRIPING. IF YOU GO TO AUSTIN, THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT PAVEMENT MARKINGS WHERE THEY INDICATE UNUSUAL TRAFFIC CIRCULATION. LIKE WHERE THEY HAVE BACK-END PARKING OR ONE-WAY LANES OR OTHER WAYS TO DEAL WITH UNUSUAL TRAFFIC CIRCULATION CONDITIONS. AND WE COULD, UM, APPROACH OUR TRAFFIC GROUP AND SEE IF THEY HAVE SOME SUGGESTIONS FOR THAT.

>> JUST LOOKING AT THE NUMBER OF PARKING SPOTS, IF I'M READING THIS CORRECTLY, IT SAYS 208. SO LET'S ASSUME THERE'S A CAR IN EVERY PARKING SPOT. SO THAT'S 200 CARS COMING IN AND OUT OF THERE WITHOUT BRINGING IN BUSINESS. THAT'S JUST PEOPLE

WHO LIVE THERE. >> UH-HUH.

>> RIGHT? >> SO, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE THE DIFFERENT SIZE APARTMENTS, AND MOST OF THESE ARE THE 700 -- I DON'T REMEMBER WHAT THE EXACT NUMBER IS -- SQUARE FOOT. SO I DON'T KNOW THAT THEY WOULD EVEN HAVE TWO CARS IN THAT SITUATION.

BUT THE IDEA WITH MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT IS THAT YOU GET THAT WALKABILITY. SO HOPEFULLY SINCE YOU HAVE THIS DENSITY TO THE NORTH, YOU HAVE SOME OF THESE FOLKS WALKING TO THE RETAIL SERVICE USES, AND YOU ALSO HAVE NEIGHBORHOODS GOING BACK ON EITHER SIDE. SO YOU HAVE THE POTENTIAL FOR WALKABILITY. THERE ARE SIDEWALKS HERE THAT THEY CAN ACCESS ALL OF THIS. SO WE'RE NOT ANTICIPATING 100% VEHICULAR TRAFFIC COMING TO THESE DIFFERENT USES. SO I MEAN, THAT'S THE IDEA OF A MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT IS THAT YOU HAVE A MULTI-MODAL APPROACH WHERE YOU HAVE BICYCLISTS AND PEOPLE WALKING AND EVERYTHING ELSE. SO NO, WE'RE NOT GONNA MAXIMIZE THE PARKING. I MEAN, IF YOU LOOK AT ANY OF THE RETAIL BUSINESSES, TRADITIONAL SUBURBAN RETAIL BUSINESSES AND YOU LOOK AT THE OIL SPOTS, YOU KNOW THAT THEY'RE ONLY FILLING THOSE PARKING LOTS AT CHRISTMAS TIME. AND MAYBE BLACK FRIDAY OR WHATEVER. YOU'RE NOT PARKING FOR THE MAXIMUM

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POSSIBLE SCENARIO. YOU'RE ANTICIPATING THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE SHARED PARKING AND OVERLAP OF USES.

>> THANK YOU. I JUST WANT TO SAY ONE MORE THING. I LOVE THIS IDEA, MISS BUCKLEY. I HOPE YOU WILL BRING THIS BACK IF IT DOESN'T PASS TONIGHT, AND I HOPE THAT YOU'LL HAVE SOME MORE PARKING AND COVERED PARKING STUFF IN IT. I REALLY DO LIKE THE CONCEPT. I HOPE THAT THESE TOWN HOMES ARE FOR SALE AND REASONABLE BECAUSE WE HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT DO NEED THIS TYPE

OF HOUSING, SO. >> SO MARY, ACROSS EAST RIDGE

DRIVE IS MULTI-FAMILY, RIGHT? >> IT IS MULTI-FAMILY. MAGNOLIA

VIEW. >> AND TO THE RIGHT, WHAT'S

THAT GONNA BE? >> UM, DO YOU MEAN THIS OR DO YOU MEAN GOING IN THE OTHER DIRECTION?

>> COME DOWN A LITTLE BIT. WELL, THAT AND RIGHT BELOW IT, YEAH.

THROUGH THERE. >> ALL OF THAT IS CURRENTLY

VACANT. >> RIGHT.

>> AND PD-2 IS A, IT JUST SHOWS EITHER COMMERCIAL/INDUSTRIAL.

THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP SHOWS NEW TOWN MODULE. AND THE COMP PLANS SUPPORT LOOKING AT A MIX OF USES IN THOSE AREAS. SO WE COULD POTENTIALLY SEE TRYING TO DEVELOP IT MORE CREATIVELY THAN SOME OTHER AREAS OF THE CITY. SINCE IT'S IN THE CENTRAL AREA AND THE CENTRAL AREA HAS MORE INFRASTRUCTURE THAT SUPPORTS DENSER DEVELOPMENT, IT MAKES SENSE TO LOOK AT THE CENTRAL AREAS RATHER THAN PUTTING IT IN LESS DENSE AREAS THAT MIGHT NOT HAVE THE INFRASTRUCTURE TO SUPPORT IT.

>> SO PER YOUR PREVIOUS COMMENTS, IT'S COMPATIBLE WITH

THE SURROUNDING AREA? >> YES, SIR.

>> OKAY. ANYBODY ELSE? >> MARY, THE STREET BETWEEN THE TOWN HOMES, HAS THAT GOT PARALLEL PARKING? IS THAT WHAT

THAT IS? >> UM, YOU'LL NEED TO GUIDE ME A LITTLE BIT. DO YOU MEAN THIS RIGHT HERE? YES, THAT'S PARALLEL PARKING. THAT'S CORRECT.

>> THANKS. >> ANYONE ELSE?

>> I'M JUST GONNA SAY I HAVE A HARD TIME WITH THIS. THE BIGGEST COMPLAINTS THAT I HEAR FROM PEOPLE IS WE HAVE TOO MANY APARTMENTS AND PARKING. AND BOTH OF THESE ARE PROBLEMS THAT I HAVE WITH THIS. I DON'T FEEL LIKE THERE'S ENOUGH PARKING TO ACCOMMODATE THE POTENTIAL RESIDENTS AND THE BUSINESSES. I UNDERSTAND THE PROBLEM WITH HAVING COVERED PARKING IN FRONT OF A BUSINESS. I DON'T THINK THAT'S POSSIBLE OR FEASIBLE, BUT THERE NEEDS TO BE SOME COVERED PARKING. THEY JUST GOT A LOT GOING ON, ON A LITTLE MORE THAN 10 ACRES. SO I HAVE A HARD TIME WRAPPING MY HEAD AROUND THIS, AND I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING

TO COMPARE IT TO REALLY. >> I THINK THAT THEY WERE WILLING TO NEGOTIATE ON THE COVERED PARKING.

>> I DON'T KNOW WHERE THEY'D PUT IT.

>> THIS IS NOT IN FRONT OF THE RETAIL.

>> I UNDERSTAND THAT. >> THAT'S NOT AND THAT'S NOT.

SO THERE'S OTHER POSSIBILITIES ON THAT.

>> BUT TO MAKE A POINT ABOUT PARKING IN FRONT OF UPS, I CAN'T GET IN THERE WITH MY REGULAR PICKUP. SO IT'S GONNA BE TIGHT. IT'S GONNA BE DIFFICULT. SO I'M HAVING A HARD TIME WITH THIS RIGHT NOW AS IT'S DESIGNED.

>> OKAY. >> SCOTT, DID YOU HAVE

SOMETHING? >> YEAH. I KNOW WE TALK ABOUT THE ADJACENT PROPERTIES BEING ABLE TO ACCESS THE RETAIL, AND I'M LOOKING AT THE LANDSCAPE PLAN RIGHT NOW, AND I'M NOT SEEING -- I SEE THE ACCESS COMING OFF OF EAST RIDGE THAT GOES TO THE POOL. I DON'T SEE ANY OTHER WALKWAYS GETTING OVER TO THE RETAIL AREA, OTHER THAN THE STREET. AND THEN SAME THING OBVIOUSLY THEN COMING OFF 14TH STREET, THERE'S NO WALKABLE ACCESS DOWN THE, UM, ACCESS EASEMENT.

>> OKAY. SO YOU KNOW, I WANT TO SAY THIS. I DON'T THINK THIS IS THE MOST RECENT VERSION BECAUSE WE DID ASK THEM TO FILL IN THE GAPS TO CONNECT THE SIDEWALK, AND I SAW THE VERSION WHERE THEY DID. SO IF YOU SEE JUST A GAP, THAT'S BEEN FILLED. BUT IF YOU MEAN SIDEWALKS ADJACENT TO THE ACCESS EASEMENT, THEN THAT'S WHAT THIS IS A SIDEWALK RIGHT HERE.

>> UH-HUH. OKAY. >> AND ALL THE SPACES ARE STANDARD SPACES. THERE AREN'T ANY COMPACT. THEY'RE ALL THE

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STANDARD 10X18 THAT WE REQUIRE THROUGHOUT THE CITY.

>> ANYONE ELSE? WHAT'S THE PLEASURE OF THE COMMISSION? NOBODY DOESN'T WANNA MAKE A MOTION? I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO

APPROVE AS PRESENTED BY STAFF. >> SECOND.

>> WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO APPROVE AS PRESENTED BY STAFF. PLEASE VOTE. HAS EVERYBODY VOTED?

>> HIT IT AGAIN. >> YEAH. THERE WE GO. SO WE HAVE

THREE AND THREE. SO. >> I'LL SAY SOMETHING. WE WERE JUST TALKING ABOUT WALKABILITY. LOOKING AT THE, THAT WOULD BE THE FAR NORTHEAST CORNER, WE'VE GOT THAT WHOLE CLUSTER OF TOWN HOMES. NO SIDEWALKS, AND THERE'S REALLY NO, LIKE YOU HAVE TO WALK THROUGH ROADS FOR THIS WALKABLE SPACE. YOU HAVE TO WALK THROUGH THE ROADS AND ALL THE CARS TO GET TO THE RETAIL OR TO THE POOL THAT YOU NEED TO GE%-Ú CORNER WHERE THIS DOG PARK IS AT. IF THE PEOPLE UP BY THE POOL WANTED TO TAKE THEIR DOG TO THE DOG PARK, THEY'RE CUTTING THROUGH ALL THE CARS AND TRAFFIC. THERE 'S NOT WALKABILITY.

>> THAT'S WHY YOU HAVE THE SIDEWALKS AND THE LANDSCAPE ISLAND TO FACILITATE THAT MOVEMENT. LIKE IF YOU'RE IN THIS TOWN HOME, YOU COULD GO HERE. YOU KNOW, DO THAT. WOULD THERE BE ANYTHING THAT THE APPLICANT COULD DO TO COME BACK NEXT MONTH AND EXPLORE THAT MIGHT, YOU KNOW, MAKE IT -- LIKE WE TALKED ABOUT THE TRAFFIC CIRCULATION WITH THE PARKING SPACES ON THE BACKSIDE, THE COVERED PARKING. WOULD THERE BE ANYTHING THAT, ANYTHING ELSE THEY MIGHT COME BACK IN A MONTH

AND EXPLORE? OR YEAH, NEXT PNZ. >> I THINK EVERYTHING YOU JUST SAID WOULD HELP ME TO BE MORE FAVORABLE TO THIS. I DON'T REMEMBER WHAT WE CALLED IT OR WHAT WE DID WITH MR. WEAVER'S PLAN WHEN WE GAVE HIM MORE IDEAS, AND THEN HE CAME BACK THE FOLLOWING MONTH. I THINK THAT'S A REALLY GOOD SOLUTION IN THIS

CASE. >> I CAN'T MAKE THAT DECISION FOR THE APPLICANT, BUT CAN I GO AHEAD AND BRING HER UP JUST TO

ANSWER THAT QUESTION? >> SURE. MA'AM, WOULD YOU COME BACK UP?

>> WE WOULD LOVE A CONTINUANCE. ABSOLUTELY LOVE IT. [LAUGHTER]

>> WE JUST NEED A LAUNDRY LIST OF WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR SO WE CAN SEE WHAT WE CAN ADD, SUBTRACT, WHATEVER.

>> JUST TO SAY AGAIN, FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, I WOULD LOVE TO SEE IT MORE WALKABLE. TRULY WALKABLE FOR ALL OF THE UNITS. I WOULD LOVE TO SEE SOME MORE COVERED PARKING. AND I'D REALLY LOVE TO SEE SOME DIFFERENT TYPE OF PARKING ON THIS EASEMENT, ACCESS EASEMENT HERE ON THAT SIDE IN PARTICULAR. THE WAY I LOOK AT THESE GRAPHICS, I'M ENVISIONING SOMETHING THAT SOMEBODY WANTS TO GET OUT AND MAYBE HAVE A PATIO TABLE OUTSIDE WHERE THEY'RE SERVING COFFEE AND PEOPLE ARE COMING AND MEETING AND HANGING OUT. IF YOU HAVE CARS PARKED RIGHT ON TOP OF IT AND TRAFFIC PASSING, IT KIND OF RUINS THAT VIBE. SO I'D LOVE TO SEE THAT

PARKING CHANGE UP A LITTLE BIT. >> OKAY.

>> OKAY. ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD TO THAT? SCOTT?

>> I THINK TO ACCOMMODATE WHAT I'M LOOKING FOR, I'M GONNA NEED TO SEE MAYBE SOME LESS DENSITY. AND I DON'T KNOW IF THAT MAKES THE NUMBERS WORK OR NOT, BUT LIKE I SAID EARLIER, THERE'S A LOT GOING ON, ON 10 ACRES HERE. SO I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO SEE A BETTER PARKING SYSTEM, AND I KNOW THE COVERED PARKING WOULD BE A BENEFIT, WOULD BE AN ASSET FOR IT. BUT I

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JUST SEE THIS AS BEING A REALLY CONGESTED AREA IF IT WAS TO BE BUILT AS IT'S DESIGNED RIGHT NOW. SO I WOULD LIKE TO MAYBE POSSIBLY SEE SOME LESS DENSITY IN THIS. AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT NUMBER IS, BUT I CAN'T FATHOM THIS THING ON 10 ACRES.

>> SCOTT, DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING?

>> YEAH, I WAS JUST GONNA REITERATE. FOR ME, IT'S THE WALKABILITY THROUGHOUT THE SITE. I REALLY APPRECIATED THE COMMENTS OF THE UNITS ON WHAT WOULD BE THE NORTHEAST CORNER AND THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF THE PROPERTY AND KIND OF SHOWING HOW THAT MOVEMENT WILL GET ACROSS THE SITE TO THE RETAIL. YOU KNOW, I DO UNDERSTAND THE PARKING STALLS ON THE ACCESS EASEMENT. WE DO HAVE THAT IN A LOT OF PLACES IN TOWN. GOOD, BAD, INDIFFERENT. I DON'T KNOW WHAT A GOOD SOLUTION IS FOR THAT, AND I UNDERSTAND PLACING THE UNIT OR THE BUILDING ON THAT ACCESS EASEMENT WITH THE PARKING THERE IS THE MOST EFFICIENT FOR THE SITE. I DO UNDERSTAND THAT. BUT I THINK IT'S THE ACCESSIBILITY AROUND THE SITE FROM A WALKING PERSPECTIVE FOR

ME. >> OKAY.

>> ESPECIALLY IF THAT'S WHAT WE WANT TO PROMOTE THIS AS.

>> GOTCHA. OKAY. >> OKAY. WITH THAT, THEN I WOULD MAKE A MOTION TO TABLE THIS UNTIL THE SEPTEMBER MEETING.

>> SECOND. >> WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. PLEASE VOTE. EVERYBODY VOTE ED?

OKAY. IT'S UNANIMOUS. >> MAYOR. CHAIRMAN, FOR THE RECORD ON THE PRIOR VOTE, I THINK THE MINUTES PROBABLY OUGHT TO REFLECT THAT THE MOTION TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL FAILED BECAUSE IT FAILED TO RECEIVE THE MAJORITY VOTE. AND BECAUSE OF THE FACT THAT YOU NEED ACTUALLY A RECOMMENDATION GOING TO THE CITY COUNCIL EITHER FOR APPROVAL OR DISAPPROVAL, THAT'S WHAT THEN WARRANTED THIS SECOND VOTE TO TABLE IT UNTIL NEXT MONTH. SO I JUST THINK THE MINUTES OUGHT TO REFLECT THAT PROCEDURAL

[011 Conduct a public hearing and consider and act upon an ordinance amending the development regulations of Planned Development District No. 184 (PD-184) for Single Family Four (SF-4) uses relating to the use and development of 16.24+ acres out of the Martha Brenan Survey, Abstract No. 43. The property is generally located on the west side of S. 14th Street, and north of McAlpin Road. (Z19-2025-048) Continuance to September 16, 2025, P&Z Commission meeting.]

ISSUE. >> SO NOTED. OKAY. ITEM 001.

WE'RE CONTINUING THAT UNTIL SEPTEMBER, IS THAT CORRECT?

>> THAT'S CORRECT. >> WE CAN CLEAR THE BOARD. I NEED A MOTION TO CONTINUE THAT ITEM 011 UNTIL THE NEXT MEETING

IN SEPTEMBER. >> I MOVE TO CONTINUE.

>> OKAY. >> IS THERE A SECOND?

>> SECOND. >> OKAY. PLEASE VOTE. OKAY. IT

[MISCELLANEOUS DISCUSSION]

IS UNANIMOUS. THAT'S ALL I HAVE. WE'LL MOVE TO MISCELLANEOUS. STAFF, YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE?

>> NEXT MONTH, WE WILL, WE HAVE A NEW ZONING INSPECTOR, AND HE HAS DONE A LOT IN A SHORT TIME HERE, AND WE'D LIKE TO BRING HIM TO YOU AND JUST TALK ABOUT SOME OF THE THINGS THAT ARE

HAPPENING IN TOWN. >> OKAY. COMMISSIONERS, ANYBODY

HAVE ANYTHING? >> IT'LL BE DISCUSSION JUST

LIKE AT THIS ONE, THE BEGINNING. >> OKAY. IF NOT, I'LL ENTERTAIN