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>> IT IS NOW 6:00 P.M., TUESDAYE MIDLOTHIAN CITY COUNCIL MEETING TO ORDER.
WE WILL START WITH THE PLEDGES AND INVOCATION LED BY COUNCILMEN WEAVER.
>> IF YOU WOULD PRAY WITH ME. HEAVENLY FATHER THANK YOU FOR THIS DAY AND THANK YOU FOR THE BLESSING OF RAIN THAT IS IN THE HORIZON. PLEASE HELP US TO DELIBERATE WITH DISCERNMENT AND DECIDE WITH WISDOM TONIGHT. PLEASE PUT A HEDGE OF PROTECTION AROUND OUR PUBLIC SAFETY OFFICERS, FIRE POLICE WHO ARE PROTECTING YOUR COMMUNITY THIS
[2026-061 Announcements/Presentations ]
EVENING. PLEASE BE WITH THOSE MEMBERS IN THE COMMUNITY WHO ARE SUFFERING.IN CHRIST NAME AMEN. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD AND INDIVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY AND
JUSTICE FOR ALL. >> HONOR THE TEXAS FLAG ONE THEE, ONE INDIVISIBLE.
>> ALL RIGHT, OPENING ITEM 202-6061 ANNOUNCEMENTS AND PRESENTATIONS.
ITEM A QUARTERLY BOARD LIAISON UPDATES AND WE WILL START TO MY LEFT WITH COUNCILMAN ROGERS.
>> NOW I AM BLESSED TO BE PART OF PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD. YOU WERE PART OF BEFORE AND THERE'S ALWAYS NOT TOO MUCH TREMENDOUS ON PLANNING BOARD. WE DO HAVE A FLU CHAIRMAN FOR PLANNING AND HE'S DONE AN EXCELLENT JOB, SO THAT'S ABOUT THE MAJORITY OF WHAT I GOT TO REPORT. THE CITY IS STILL ROLLING AND THEY ARE STILL MAKING GOOD
DECISIONS, SO THAT'S WHAT I GOT TO REPORT ON PLAN. >> COUNCILWOMAN HAMMONDS.
>> LIAISON FOR DEVELOPMENT, I ACTUALLY GET TO SKIP MY REPORT BECAUSE MELISSA IS GIVING HER
ANNUAL REPORT TONIGHT SO SHE'S GOING TO COVER EVERYTHING. >> I'M ON THE LIBRARY BOARD.
I WILL ADMIT I DON'T HAVE AN UPDATE BECAUSE IN OUR FEBRUARY MEETING WE WERE IN OUR COUNCIL RETREAT. SO I DIDN'T GET TO MAKE THAT MEETING.
COUNCILMAN WEAVER. >> I AMELIASON FOR MIDLOTHIAN -- JOINT AIRPORT BOTH BETWEEN MIDLOTHIAN AND WAXAHACHIE, ITEM OF NOTE, RESERVICING PROJECT IN THE AIRWAYS IN THAT FACILITY WHICH HAS CAUSED CLOSURES OF THE RUNWAY OR THE AIRPORT ALTOGETHER AS ONCE THEY TEAR UP A RUNWAY IT'S HARD TO LAND A PLANE ON IT, THAT PROJECT SHOULD BE WRAPPED UP THIS MONTH OR MIDDLE OF NEXT MONTH AND WE SHOULD HAVE A FACILITY THAT CONTINUE SERVING OUR COMMUNITY.
THE BOARD IS STILL AGGRESSIVELY PURSUING DEVELOPMENT OPPORTUNITIES OUT THERE WITH PRIVATE AND PUBLIC PARTNERSHIPS, SO HOPEFULLY WE WILL SEE IN THE NEAR FUTURE SOME NEW BUILDINGS AND NEW DEVELOPMENT OCCURRING AT THE AIRPORT AND IT'S BEEN ALMOST A DECADE SINCE ANYTHING NEW HAS
BEEN OUT THERE. >> DEFINITELY. COUNCILMAN SHUFFIELD?
>> I'M IN THE MED AND I DO HAVE ITEMS THAT HAVE BEEN TAKING PLACE, THINGS HAPPENING.
SOME OF YOU WERE ABLE TO MAKE IT WITH GROUND BREAKING, THE MEDICAL SURG SURGICAL AND PRODUS DISTRIBUTION FOLLOW OUR AREA. IT'S A GOOD EVENT. I DIDN'T GET TO MAKE IT OUT THERE FOR GROUNDBREAKING, I HEARD YOU WERE, I HEARD GOOD THINGS ABOUT IT AND GOOD KICKOFF. ALSO OUR PALMER LOGISTICS, 27,000 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING.
THE WALLS ARE UP AND MOVING FORWARD FOR PALMER LOGISTICS AT THE MIDLOTHIAN BUSINESS PARK.
A COUPLE OF OTHER THINGS RELATED TO OUR SMALL BUSINESS. THE -- THE EXPANSION COURSE NEXT
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SESSION IS SCHEDULED FOR SEPTEMBER. THIS IS FOR THE OPPORTUNITY THROUGH THE MIDLOTHIAN BUSINESS ACADEMY AND PARTNERSHIP WITH MIDLOTHIAN CHAIMBE OF COMMERCE FOR STRATEGIC GUIDANCE, SUPPORTING LOCAL BUSINESS OWNERS AND EVERY STAGE OF BUILDING A STRONG FOUNDATION AS WELL AS SCALING FOR GROWTH AND IN THE SAME GROUPING IS -- IT'S ALSO THE FUNDAMENTALS CLASS THAT MEETS EVERY MONTH. SO SMALL BUSINESS OWNERS, YOU MIGHT WANT TO CHECK THAT OUT AND BE PART OF THE GROWTH AND JUST SHARING OF INFORMATION, SHARPING IRON AMONG SMALL BUSINESS IN TOWN. AND THEN ONE FINAL THING IS COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT. THE MED HELD ITS COMMUNITY OUTREACH MEETING BACK IN FEBRUARY, SEVERAL COMMUNITY MEMBERS WERE A PART OF THAT AND THIS IS A GOOD OPPORTUNITY TO -- TO LEARN ABOUT THE MED'S INCENTIVES AND PROJECTS AND DIFFERENT THINGS THAT HAVE HAPPENING, SO JUST A GOOD WAY TO SHARE AND LEARN AND BE INFORMED ABOUT WHAT'S HAPPENING WITH THEINDUSTRIAL -- THE INDUSTRY AS WELL AS BUSINESS IN TOWN. >> THANK YOU, SIR.
NOW ITEM B, CITY COUNCIL REPORT ON ANY ITEMS OF COMMUNITY INTEREST.
DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANYTHING THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO REPORT? MIKE.
>> I DIDN'T WANT TO REINTERRUPT THE BOARD'S AND LIAISON'S REPORTS.
I DID FORGET ONCE AGAIN. I'M BLESSED TO SERVE IN THE HISTORICAL ADVISORY BOARD AS LIAISON AND A LOT OF THE COMMUNITY MIGHT OR MIGHT NOT KNOW THAT THEY'RE IN THE PROCESS
[2026-062 Citizens to be heard]
OF PLANNING FOR A MUSEUM FOR THE CITY OF MIDLOTHIAN AND THEY'LL BE AGENDA ITEM TONIGHT FOR RENOVATION OF OLD FIRE HALL, OLD CITY HALL. I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE WANT TO CALL IT OVER THERE BUT THAT WILL BE RENOVATED TO HOUSE IN THE LOWER FLOOR THE CITY OF MIDLOTHIAN MUSEUM. SO IF YOU HAVE THE INTEREST IN THAT OR BEING PART OF THAT, GET WITH THE -- I GUESS YOU COULD GET WITH THE TEAM AND POINT YOU IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION CITY SECRETARY.BUT I FORGOT TO MENTION THAT ALSO EARLIER AS FAR AS COMMUNITY INTEREST.
>> COUNCILMAN ROGERS, ANYBODY ELSE? >> ALL RIGHT, MOVING ON ITEM 2262, CITIZENS TO BE HEARD, THE CITY COUNCIL INVITES CITIZENS TO ADDRESS THE COUNCIL ONFULLY TOPIC NOT ADDRESS FOR PUBLIC HEARING. CITIZENS WISHING TO SPEAK SHOULD COMPLETE CITIZENS PARTICIPATION FORM AND PRESENT TO CITY SECRETARY PRIOR TO ITEM BEING OPEN FOR DISCUSSION. ALL SPEAKERS ARE LIMITED TO THREE MINUTES IN ACCORDANCE TO TEXAS OPEN MEETINGS ACT, THE CITY COUNCIL CANNOT ACT ON ANY ITEMS LISTED ON THE AGENDA, HOWEVER, YOUR CONCERNS MAY BE ADDRESSED BY STAFF OR PLACED ON FUTURE AGENDA ITEM.
TAMMY, ANYBODY SIGNED UP TO SPEAK? >> JIM BRUNSON.
>> HELLO, MR. BRUNSON, IF YOU CAN GIVE US YOUR ADDRESS AND WHETHER OR NOT YOU LIVE IN CITY
LIMITS. 3 MINUTES. >> MY NAME IS JIM BRUNSON, IN PLAIN VIEW ROAD HERE IN MIDLOTHIAN, TEXAS. I'M HERE TO INVITE OUR CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS AND THE COMMUNITY TO PUBLIC SAFETY -- SORRY, THE EMERGENCY IMPAIREDNESS PUBLIC SAFETY EVENT THAT WE ARE HAVING. IT'S BEING HOSTED HERE ON SATURDAY MARCH THE 14TH, THIS COMING SATURDAY, 9:00 TO 12:00 AT THE MIDLOTHIAN CONFERENCE CENTER AND THIS IS FREE HALFDAY CONFERENCE FOR THE COMMUNITY.
IT IS DESIGN TODAY HELP RESIDENTS PREPARE FOR LOCAL EMERGENCIES AND ENSURE SAFETY OF THEIR HOMES AND FAMILIES. IT INCLUDES THINGS LIKE MAKING A PLAN FOR EMERGENCY FOR OUR HOMES, BUSINESSES AND FAMILIES AND 72-HOUR KITS WHICH WE SOMETIMES CALL GO BAGS, BUT THIS CONFERENCE IS SO MUCH MORE. IT'S MORE THAN YOU WOULD NORMALLY EXPECT AT EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT PREPAREDNESS CONFERENCE AND WE WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE TONYA HUNTER HAS BEEN JUST PHENOMENAL IN HELPING TO ACTUALLY PREPARING THIS, PUTTING THIS TOGETHER.
IT GOES BEYOND, YOU KNOW, PREPARING FOR TORNADOES AN WINTER STORMS AND OTHER, YOU KNOW, MAJOR DISASTERS WE THINK ABOUT BUT NOT LONG AGO I HAD A NEIGHBOR'S HOME WHO -- IT CAUGHT FIRE. EVERYTHING BEING DESTROYED AND JUST -- THE HOME WAS COMPLETELY DEMOLISHED SEEING THAT OTHER SITUATIONS OCCURRED HERE IN OUR COMMUNITY.
AND SO THIS IS SOMETHING THAT SOME WILL CALL EVERYDAY EMERGENCIES, THINGS THAT HAPPEN IN LIFE AND SO PART OF THE -- WHAT IS BEING PRESENTED FOLLOW THIS CONFERENCE WILL BE HELPING OUR CITIZENS AND RESIDENTS TO PREPARE FOR UNEXPECTED EVERYDAY THINGS THAT CAN HAPPEN WHETHER IT'D BE A SUDDEN ILLNESS, A SERIOUS ACCIDENT, LOSE OF A SPOUSE, THOSE ARE THE THINGS
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THAT HIT FAMILIES EVERY DAY. IT'S NOT JUST THERE'S BIG DISASTERS.SO WITH THAT IN MIND, SOME OF THE TOPICS BEING ADDRESSED WILL BE MAKING YOUR HOME SAFE WITH HOME FIRE SAFETY, THEFT AND THREATS PROTECTING YOUR HOME AND COMMUNITY -- HOME AND FAMILY, ESTATE PLANNING, WILSON TRUST, ESSENTIAL POWER OPTIONS FOR WHEN THE LIGHTS GO OUT, WE EXPERIENCED THAT A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO, RIGHT, AND IN TODAY'S WORLD OF SOCIAL MEDIA AND ONLINE ACTIVITY THERE ARE OTHER SERIOUS THREATS TO OUR FAMILIES AN CHILDREN THAT ARE LESS SEEN THAT DIDN'T EXIST A GENERATION AGO. TRAINING TO OUR FAMILIES ARE THE BEST PROTECTIONS AND SO THIS CONFERENCE INCLUDES CYBER SAFETY FOR YOUTH, ADULTS AND SENIORS, HUMAN TRAFFICKING PREVENTION AND FRAUD PREVENTION FOR SENIORS. I SEE TOO MANY SENIORS FALLING VICTIMS TO SEE TYPES OF THINGS.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. WE EXTEND THE INVITATION TO YOU. HOPE TO SEE SOME OF YOU SATURDAY. YOU CAN BE THERE FOR ONE SESSION IF YOU WOULD LIKE AND SAME FOR THE COMMUNITY. IF YOU FIND ONE THING THAT APPEALS TO YOU.
LOOK AT THE AGENDA IT'S ON THE CITY COUNCIL -- CITY WEBSITE AND IT'S A REALLY GOOD CONFERENCE.
WE LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING YOU THERE. THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU, SIR. >> ANYBODY ELSE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK? BEFORE WE MOVE ON I WANT TO ENTER THE ROOM,IA SEE A LOT OF STUDENTS.
ARE YOU HERE FOR A PROJECT? WOULD YOU LIKE TO TAKE A PICTURE WITH THE CITY COUNCIL? ALL RIGHT. COUNCIL, IF Y'ALL CAN GO DOWN FOR A PICTURE.
>> THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANK Y'ALL SO MUCH. >> MAKE SURE Y'ALL CAN SEE ME
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HERE. READY? OKAY, ONE, TWO, AND THREE.>> THANK YOU SO MUCH. >> ALL RIGHT. MOVING ONTO CONSENT AGENDA, ALL ITEMS LISTED UNDER CONSENT AGENDA ARE CONSIDERED TO BE ROUTINE BY THE CITY COUNCIL AND
[2026-064 Conduct a public hearing and consider and act upon an ordinance amending the development regulations of Planned Development District No. 185 (PD-185), being 448.38+ acres, for Single Family Four (SF-4) uses by changing the development regulations relating to single family residential uses. The property is generally located north of US Highway 287, west of State Highway 67, and south of Auger Road. (Z01 2026-002).]
WILL BE ENACTED BY ONE MOTION WITHOUT SEPARATE DISCUSSION. IF DISCUSSION IS DESIRED THAT ITEM WILL BE REMOVED FROM CONSENT AGENDA AND BE CONSIDERED SEPARATELY.COUNCIL, DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY ITEMS THEY WOULD LIKE TO REMOVE FROM CONSENT AGENDA.
IF NOT, I WILL TAKE A MOTION. >> SO MOVED TO APPROVE. >> SECOND.
>> MOTION BY ROSS. SECOND BY ANA. PLEASE VOTE.
AND IT PASSES 6 TO 0. >> PUBLIC HEARINGS NOW OPENING ITEM 2026-064, CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING AND CONSIDER AND ACT UPON ORDINANCE AMENDING DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS PLANNED DEVELOPMENT 185, BEING 44.38 ACRES FOR SINGLE FAMILY FOUR USAGE BY CHANGING DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS RELATED TO RESIDENTIAL USES. THE PROPERTY GENERALLY LOCATED NORTH OF U.S. HIGHWAY 287 AND WEST OF STATE HIGHWAY 67 AND SOUTH OF AUGER ROAD.
>> PRO TEMPORE AND COUNCIL, THIS IS A REQUEST TO AMEND THE PD185 ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN PRIMARY RESIDENTIAL REQUIREMENTS. THIS IS 448-ACRE SITE DESIGNATED AS LOW AND MEDIUM DENSITY RESIDENTIAL IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. THE AMENDMENT WILL ALLOW 35% OF ARCHITECTURALLY APPROPRIATE HOMES REDUCE ROOF PITCH FROM 6 TO 12 TO 4 TO 12.
PD CONSISTS OF 1,072 SINGLE FAMILY LOTS, SO THE 35% WOULD EQUIVLATE TO 235.
THESE BULLETS SHOW PD185 FROM THE PROPERTIES ANNEXATION AND INITIAL ZONING AS WELL AS
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AMENDMENTS IN 2007 AND 2025. THIS SITE SHOWS THE CHANGE IN ROOF PITCH WILL NOT CHANGE THE EXISTING SURROUNDING LAND USE COMPATIBILITY AND COMP PLAN AND FUTURE LAND USE MAP CONSISTENCY.PUBLIC NOTICES WERE SENT OUT TO ALL PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN 200-FOOT RADIUS OF THE PROPERTY AND STAFF HAS RECEIVE NOD OBJECTION. THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION RECOMMENDED APPROVAL AS PRESENTED UNANIMOUSLY AND STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL AS PRESENTED. AND TO THESE WERE PROVIDED BY THE APPLICANT, RENDERINGS AND ELEVATIONS. I WILL JUST RENDER THEM. IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, THE
APPLICANT IS HERE AS WELL. >> THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING TAMMY, ANYBODY TO SPEAK?
DO I HAVE A MOTION TO CLOSE PUBLIC HEARING. >> SO MOVE.
>> MOTION BY COUNCILMAN ROGERS AND SECOND BY COUNCILWOMAN HAMMONDS, PLEASE VOTE.
[2026-065 Conduct a public hearing and consider and act upon an ordinance granting a Specific Use Permit (SUP) for a multi-family residential development within Planned Development District No. 146 (PD-146). The property is generally located on US Highway 287 and Old Fort Worth Road. (SUP08-2025-100). ]
ITEM -- WE NEED TO CLEAR IT. YEAH. OKAY.ITEM PASSES 6 TO 0. COUNCIL ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF AND OR THE APPLICANT?
IF NO QUESTIONS, AND/OR A MOTION? >> I WILL MOVE TO --
>> I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE BY COUNCILMAN WE'RE. SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MORMON.
PLEASE VOTE. ITEM PASSES 5 TO 1. >> NOW OPENING ITEM 202665 CONDUCT PUBLIC HEARING AND CONSIDER ORDINANCE GRANTING SPECIFIC USING FOR MULTIFAMILY RESIDENTIAL WITHIN PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT 146, THE PROPERTY GENERALLY LOCATED ON
HIGHWAY 287 AND OLD FORT WORTH ROAD. >> HERE WE GO.
>> GOOD EVENING MAYOR, MAYOR PRO TEMPORE AND COUNCIL. MARY, ASSISTANT DIRECTOR OF PLANNING. NEXT ITEM IS A REAPPLICATION OF A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR 17.38-ACRE, 249 UNIT MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENT. THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN SHOWS US THE SITE AS RESIDENTIAL HIGH DENSITY MODULE WHICH IS TO PROMOTE ATTRACTIVE AND SAFE RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS FOR ALL RESIDENTS AND TO SUPPORT THE HORIZONTAL MIXING OF APPROPRIATE LAND USES IN ALL ZONING DISTRICTS. THIS IS THE SHOWING THE SURROUNDING ZONING WHICH TO THE NORTH IS U.S. HIGHWAY 287 AND PD49 WHICH IS KNOWN AS MIDLOTHIAN 567 WHICH IS UNDEVELOPED AN PLAN FOR MIXED -- MIXTURE OF RESIDENTIAL AND NONRESIDENTIAL USES AND TO THE EAST SOUTH AND WEST OF THE SITE IS ALL PD146 WHICH IS WEST SIDE PRESERVE WHICH THE SITE IS LOCATED WITHIN. THIS IS THE LAND USE PLAN FOR WEST SIDE PRESERVE PD. AS YOU CAN SEE THE SITE IS IN BLUE AND OUTLINED IN RED.
IN THE WEST SIDE PRESERVE PD, THE LOT WAS ZONED EITHER CD -- SORRY, CR WITH A DETAILED SITE PLAN OR MULTIFAMILY WITH AN SUP. BUT THE LOT IS CAPPED AT 302 UNITS WITHIN THE PD.
THE MASTER THOROUGH FAIR PLAN SHOWS HIGHWAY 287 AS EXISTING FREEWAY AND THERE'S ALSO A PROPOSED 60-FOOT ROAD -- FRONTAGE ROAD THAT IS PROPOSED ALONG THIS PORTION OF 287.
THE APPLICANTS DID CONSTRUCT THEIR PORTION OF THE FRONTAGE ROAD AND YOU CAN SEE IT IN THE AERIAL HERE. I CAN SHOW YOU THAT. THE DETAILED SITE PLAN DOES HAVE TWO VARIANCES WHICH I WILL GO OVER LATER. THIS SLIDE DOES SHOW THE ZONING HISTORY. AS YOU CAN SEE THERE'S BEEN MULTIPLE SUP'S AND IT WAS APPROVED IN 2008, BUT THAT SUP EXPIRED BECAUSE IN THE SUP WAS LANGUAGED THAT IT EXPIRED WITHIN TWO YEARS OF GRANTING IT IF THEY DIDN'T HAVE A CO. WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING TODAY IS 249 UNITS WHICH IS REDUCTION OF 49 UNITS FROM THE PREVIOUSLY APPROVED SUP.
AND THESE ARE THE CHANGES FROM THE PREVIOUSLY APPROVED SUP VERSUS WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING
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TODAY. AS YOU CAN SEE THERE'S THE UNIT REDUCTION WHICH ALSO TRIGGERED A DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE REDUCTION AND A PARKING SPACE REDUCTION BECAUSE THEY HAVE FEWER UNITS SO THEY'RE REQUIRED TO PROVIDE FEWER SPACES. THEY ARE CONTINUING THE VARIANTS REQUEST TO NOT HAVE ATTACHED GARAGES BUT THEY ARE AMENDING THEIR REQUEST FOR THE DETACHED AND -- DETACHED GARAGE SPACES AND THE CARPORT SPACES. THIS IS THE SITE PLAN THAT WAS PREVIOUSLY APPROVED AND THIS IS WHAT THEY'RE REQUESTING TODAY. THE MAJOR CHANGES IS THE SITE BUILDING AREA HAS BEEN REDUCED BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO PUT IN A RETAINING WALL OVER HERE, AND SO THAT COMPRESSED THE LAND AREA THAT THEY'RE DEVELOPING ON SO THEY ELIMINATED THE WRAP-AROUND UNIT AND JUST CREATED THE 3 SMALLER BUILDINGS TO ACCOMMODATE THE REDUCTION IN LAND AREA.ALSO, THE LANDSCAPING IS SHOWN ALONG HERE WHERE IT'S SHOWN THERE BUT ALSO IT'S A LITTLE BIT FURTHER IN BECAUSE, AGAIN, OF THE RETAINING WALL AND I WILL GO INTO MORE DETAIL ON THAT LATER.
AND SO THE FIRST VARIANCE IS YOU'RE REQUIRED TO HAVE 100% TO HAVE NUMBER OF UNITS, HAVE TO HAVE COVERED PARKING AND THE PREVIOUSLY APPROVED SUP THEY DID NOT HAVE ANY ATTACHED GARAGES BUT THEY HAD 78 DETACHED GARAGES AND CARPORTS. SO NOW THEY'RE CONTINUING THE ZERO ATTACHED GARAGES BUT THEY ARE INCREASING THE DETACHED GARAGES TO 96 AND REDUCING THE CARPORTS TO 60. THESE ARE THE ELEVATIONS. THIS IS WHAT WAS PREVIOUSLY APPROVED AND THIS IS WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING NOW. IT'S VERY SIMILAR.
THEY HAVE INCREASED THE MASONRY AREA UP TO THE SECOND STORY WHERE BEFORE IT WENT TO THE BOTTOM OF THE SECOND STORY BUT THEY DID REMOVE THESE ROOF PITCHES AND A COUPLE OF AREAS LIKE HERE THEY'RE MISSING IN THESE BIGGER AREAS. THIS IS THE PREVIOUS RENDERING AN THESE ARE THE RENDERING TODAY. THESE ARE MORE PRONOUNCED.
THEY ARE STILL THERE BUT THEY ARE NOT JUST AS PRONOUNCED AS PREVIOUSLY.
THIS IS THE DETAIL OF THE GARAGES. IT'S THE SAME AS PREVIOUSLY APPROVED. SAME WITH THE CARPORT. THE LANDSCAPING VARIANCE AS I MENTIONED EARLIER THEY ARE MOVING IT IN INSTEAD OF BEING ALONG THE PROPERTY LINE HERE AND THEY ARE NOT HAVING ALONG THE OTHER SIDE OF THE FLAT PLAIN. THIS IS TO SHOW THE DISTANCE BETWEEN SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL AND WEST SIDE PRESERVE.
THERE'S SEVERAL HUNDRED FEET PLUS THIS OPEN AREA WILL REMAIN OPEN SPACE BECAUSE THOSE ARE DEDICATED HOA OPEN SPACES FOR WEST SIDE PRESERVE. THIS SHOWS THE TOPOGRAPHY OF THE SITE. THE APARTMENTS ARE QUITE A BIT LOWER THAN THE SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL AND WHERE THE LANDSCAPING IS PROPOSED IS GOING TO PROVIDE SCREENING BETWEEN THE BALCONIES AND THE SECOND STORIES OF THE HOMES PLUS HERE IS SHOWING THE OPEN SPACE AND THE EDGE OF THE PROPERTY IS SOMEWHERE IN HERE. PROPERTY LINE IS HERE BUT AS YOU CAN SEE IT GOES UP AND THEN IT COMES DOWN QUITE A BIT. AND THIS IS FROM THE CUL-DE-SAC IN WEST SIDE PRESERVE. THIS IS THE CLOSEST POINT AT 264 EVEN WHEN THE TREES NOT DIRECTLY ON THE PROPERTY LINE IT'S STILL -- THERE'S A 6-FOOT FENCE HERE AND THE HOMES WILL BE SCREENED FROM THE BALCONIES OF THE HOMES. SO THIS IS THE PREVIOUSLY APPROVED LANDSCAPING PLAN.
AS YOU CAN SEE IT'S SIMILAR, IT'S JUST AN INCREASED DISTANCE AWAY OF WHERE THE RETAINING WALL IS SO IT'S BEEN MOVED OVER INSTEAD OF CONTINUING TO BE OUT HERE.
SO WE SENT POSTCARDS TO THE SURROUNDING PROPERTY OWNERS. WE SENT 16.
WE DID GET TWO EMAILS IN OPPOSITION FROM PEOPLE WITHIN 200 FEET OF THE SITE AND WE GOT 12 EMAILS IN OPPOSITION OUTSIDE THE 200 BUT ALL OF THE OPPOSITION WAS IN THE WEST SIDE PRESERVE, SO STAFF DID RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE SPECIFIC USE PERMIT AND THE VARIANCES BECAUSE IT'S COMPATIBLE AND CONSISTENT WITH THE SURROUNDING LAND USE AND FUTURE LAND USE MAP AND IT'S A VERY SIMILAR TO THE PREVIOUSLY APPROVED VARIANCE REQUESTS, BUT THE PLANNING AND ZONING
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COMMISSION DID RECOMMEND DENIAL OF THE REQUEST BY A VOTE OF 5-2 AT THE JANUARY MEETING.THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION. THE APPLICANTS ARE HERE AND THEY DO ALSO HAVE A PRESENTATION.
>> THANK YOU. COUNCIL, THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING.
TAMMY, ANYBODY SIGNED UP TO SPEAK? NO.
DO I HAVE A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. MOTION FROM COUNCILWOMAN
HAMMONDS. DO I HAVE A SECOND? >> SECOND.
>> COUNCILMAN WEAVER. PLEASE VOTE. >> ITEM PASSES 6 TO 0.
COUNCIL, ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF FOR THE APPLICANT? >> I HAVE TWO QUESTIONS FOR STAFF. THE SECOND QUESTION THEY MIGHT NOT BE ABLE TO ANSWER.
FIRST QUESTION IS GOING TO RESOLVE AROUND I DON'T THINK I SAW IT IN YOUR SUBMITTALS OR YOUR PRESENTATION, I DON'T THINK I HEARD IT. IN THE ORIGINAL PD FOR THIS SUP, WAS IT ONLY FOR MULTIPLE FAMILY OR WAS IT ALSO ALLOWANCE FOR RETAIL?
IT WAS AN EITHER/OR WAS IT NOT? >> YES, I DID. I DID MENTIONED THAT.
THE SITE IS ZONED, CR WITH THE DETAILED SITE PLAN OR THE MULTIPLE FAMILY WITH THE SUP.
>> SO, IN OTHER WORDS, AS IT NOW STANDS, THERE IS NO SUP? >> CORRECT.
>> AND THE SATISFACTION OF THE PD WOULD BE FOR RETAILOR MULTIPLE FAMILY, CORRECT?
>> CORRECT. >> THE SECOND QUESTION I WOULD HAVE WOULD RESOLVE AROUND THE ELEVATIONS OF THE FRONT FACADE MAINLY ROOF LINE, EXCUSE ME. I THINK I CAUGHT JUST A SNIPPED IN YOUR PRESENTATION OF THE ROOF LINE ELEVATIONS WERE STILL THERE AND PRESENT BUT NOT AS DETAILED OR AS WELL -- I USED THE WORD WELL LAID OUT BECAUSE I LIKED THE ORIGINAL PRESENTATION BETTER, HAD THEY CHANGED THE ROOF LINE FACADE IN AND WHAT THEY'RE PRESENTING NOW IS WHAT
THEY WERE BEFORE? >> IN SOME AREAS. SO PREVIOUSLY IN THESE LARGER COLUMNS THEY HAD KIND OF LIKE PITCHED ROOF ON TOP OF THEM. IN THE LARGER ONES THEY HAVE GOTTEN RID OF IT BUT THEY HAVE KEPT IT IN THE SMALLER AREAS AND THERE'S MORE PRONOUNCED BUMP-OUT IN THE ELEVATION AS YOU CAN SEE THEY PUMPED OUT MORE. IT'S STILL BUMPED OUT, IT'S JUST
NOT AS PRONOUNCED AS IT PREVIOUSLY WAS. >> IN OTHER WORDS, AT LEAST IN MY VIEW DID STAFF HAVE AN OPINION ON THAT THAT YOU FEEL AS STAFF HAS THE SAME VISUALIZATION
OF QUALITY AS EXISTED BEFORE? >> IT -- IT'S SIMILAR AND BECAUSE THEY ALSO HAVE INCREASED THE HEIGHT OF MASONRY AND THE NEWER ONES WHERE AS THE MASONRY WAS ONLY ELEVATED IN THE BUMPOUTS, SO THROUGHOUT THE BUILDINGS THEY HAVE INCREASED THE MASONRY UP TO THE SECOND STORY. SO THEY DID PROVIDE EXTRA. THEY DID PROVIDE EXTRA MASONRY
THAN THEY DID PREVIOUSLY. >> I WOULD ASSUME AS THE PICTURE THAT WE ARE LOOKING AT NOW, THE
BOTTOM RENDITION THAT IS THE BEFORE? >> CORRECT.
>> AND THE TOP RENDITION WHICH IS A MUCH BOXIER, FLATTER LOOKING, THAT'S THE NOW?
>> CORRECT. >> THANK YOU. >> ALAN.
>> YEAH, I JUST HAD A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS FOR STAFF. PRIMARILY AROUND CLARIFICATION OF THE ZONING CASE HISTORY AND UNDERSTANDING BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT HERE TO KIND OF UNDERSTAND SOME SO I'M GOING TO JUST CLARIFY A COUPLE OF THINGS. SO IN '21, THERE WAS PD THAT
CAPPED THE UNITS AT 302 THAT WAS APPROVED, CORRECT? >> CORRECT.
>> AND THEN COME '22, WE ISSUED THE SUP THAT LOWERED THE UNITS TO 294 BY ABOUT 5 OR 6 UNITS,
RIGHT? >> THAT WAS THEIR REQUEST. >> THAT WAS THEIR REQUEST, OKAY.
AND SO IS THAT WHAT WAS APPROVED AT THAT TIME THAT JUST EXPIRED? >> YES.
>> OKAY. AND THEN IT EXPIRED LAST SUMMER --
>> CORRECT. >> BASED ON THIS SITUATION. OKAY.
SO A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS. ONE IS IT ACCURATE BASED ON THESE NUMBERS WE'RE LOOKING AT ON THE REQUEST TO RENEW OR TO DO A NEW SUP THAT'S VERY COMPARABLE.
ARE THEY REDUCING BY ANOTHER 50 UNITS IN THAT REQUEST, IS THAT CORRECT?
>> YES. >> OKAY. SO THEY ARE -- THEY'RE TRYING TO GET THIS SUP BACK, WOULD YOU SAY IT'S PRETTY COMPARABLE TO THE ORIGINAL OUTSIDE OF SOME OF THE
-- SOME TO HAVEIECES WE WERE LOOKING AT? >> YES.
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>> AND THEN THE OTHER QUESTION I HAD IS THE OTHER ADJUSTMENT YOU WERE GOING OVER, IT BASICALLY WAS -- WAS IT JUST SWAMPING OUT CARPORTS FOR COVER PARKING, IS THAT WHAT THEY WERE BASICALLY
DOING? >> YES, THEY SWAPPED OUT CARPORTS FOR -- FOR DETACHED
GARAGES. >> OKAY, GOT YOU. AND OUTSIDE OF THAT, OTHER THAN THE MINOR ESTHETICS IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE THAT I MISSED IN YOUR PRESENTATION THAT WAS
SIGNIFICANT? >> YES, THEY MOVED THE LANDSCAPING BECAUSE OF THE
RETAINING WALL THAT THEY HAVE TO CONSTRUCT. >> OKAY.
>> SO THEY MOVED LANDSCAPING THAT'S REQUIRED BETWEEN SINGLE FAMILY AND MULTIFAMILY ZONED TO
BE ALONG THE RETAINING WALL INSTEAD ALONG THE PROPERTY LINE. >> GOT IT, OKAY.
>> AND IS THAT CLOSER TO STAFF'S PREFERENCE OR IS THAT MORE -- >> IT'S SIMILAR TO WHAT THEY HAD PREVIOUSLY HAD. IT'S JUST THAT WHERE THIS AREA HERE -- IF YOU CAN SEE THE
CURSOR -- >> YEAH. >> BECAUSE OF THE RETAINING WALL
MOVING, SHIFTING THE SIDE, THEY JUST MOVED EVERYTHING IN. >> OKAY, PERFECT.
THE ONLY OTHER QUESTION I HAVE IS, SO BY RIGHT AS COUNCILMAN ROGERS FOR EITHER RETAILOR
MULTIFAMILY, CORRECT? >> CORRECT. >> AND WHAT -- WHAT IS THE CAP -- WHAT CAN THEY DO BY RIGHT THERE IN THE EVENT THEY WE DON'T RENEW SUP?
>> THEY COULD EITHER COME BACK WITH AN SUP WITHIN SIX MONTHS OR THEY COULD COME IN WITH THE
DETAILED SITE PLAN FOR COMMUNITY RETAIL. >> OKAY.
SO EITHER WAY, THEY HAVE TO HAVE AN SUP. THERE'S NO MULTIFAMILY THEY CAN
DO ABOUT RIGHT WITHOUT THE SUP? >> YES, THE WAY PD IS WRITTEN, IT REQUIRES SUP AND IT HAS A CAP
OF 302 UNITS. >> OKAY. BUT IN THIS RENDITION WE LOWER
THAT BY ANOTHER 50, CORRECT? >> CORRECT. >> OKAY.
THAT'S ALL I'VE GOT. >> COUNCILWOMAN HAMMONDS. >> SO WE JUMPED INTO QUESTIONS, ARE WE SUPPOSED TO LET THE APPLICANTS DO THEIR PRESENTATION.
>> I APOLOGIZE. >> IT'S MY FIRST DAY ON THE JOB. [LAUGHTER]
>> WELL, NO, I DON'T WANT TO KEEP GOING UNLESS YOU'RE GOING TO STAND FOR QUESTIONS.
>> DO YOU HAVE A PRESENTATION? >> IS THAT OKAY WITH EVERYBODY? >> GO AHEAD AND DO THAT.
>> THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU, MAI, ANN, GOOD EVENING MAYOR PRO TEMPORE AND TOWN. MY NAME IS PATRICK MCGEE, DIRECTOR WITH HIGH PARK CAPITAL AND DEVELOPER AT WEST SIDE PRESERVE PROJECT. THIS WILL BE SECOND DEVELOPMENT IN MIDLOTHIAN. WE BUILT THE ISRAELI APARTMENTS JUST TO THE WEST OF THIS PROJECT AND ALSO WITHIN THE WEST SIDE PRESERVE MASTER PLAN DEVELOPMENT.
SO THE WESTERLY HAS BEEN VERY SUCCESSFUL FOR US AND KIND TO HAVE BASELINE FOR THE DESIGN FOR THIS HIDDEN HILLS PROJECT WITH THE INTENT OF IMPROVE IT AND ELEVATE IT A LITTLE BIT MORE.
SO TO GIVE YOU A QUICK OVERVIEW OF OUR HIDDEN HILLS PROJECT, THIS WILL INCLUDE BEST IN CLASS AMENITIES. CLASS A LUXURY PRODUCT, MARKET RATE.
WE WILL HAVE RESORT-STYLE POOL WITH CABANA LOUNGE AREAS, PICKLE BALL COURT, FEW THINGS THAT ARE WESTERLY PROJECT DID NOT HAVE LIKE A RECOVERY SPA WITHIN THE FITNESS CENTER WITH COLD PLUNGE AND INFRARED SAUNA. WE WILL BE DOING COWORKING SPACE .WITHIN THE UNITS WE WILL HAVE KITCHEN ISLANDS WHICH WE DO FOR ALL UNITS. SMART LOCKS, SMART THERMOSTATS WHICH IS UNIQUE TO THIS ONE. WE ALSO DO BALCONIES AND PATIOS FOR ALL OUR UNITS WHERE WE CAN.
I CAN GIVE YOU SOME GOOD DATA ABOUT OUR TYPICAL RESIDENT BASED ON WHO LIVES AT OUR OTHER PROPERTY HERE IN TOWN. OUR TYPICAL RESIDENT IS EITHER A HEALTHCARE WORKER OR A YOUNG PROFESSIONAL USUALLY COMMUTING WORKING HYBRID OR WORKING REMOTE, AVERAGE AGING IS 37 AND AVERAGE INCOME IS $113,000. SO THE INTENT WITH OUR SECOND PROGRAM HERE IS HIGHER RENT AND HIGHER INCOME TO GET ALONG WITH THAT. AS MARINNE SHOWED US, SHY OF 302 UNIT IN PUD AND I WANT TO TALK ABOUT HOW WE GOT QUICKLY WHERE WE ARE TODAY AND WHY THE SUP
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EXPIRED ORIGINALLY. SO WHEN WE CAME THROUGH THE FIRST TIME IN 2023 WITH THIS SITE PLAN, FOR REASONS I WON'T BORE YOU WITH, UNLESS YOU'D LIKE TO KNOW, WE WERE UNDER A PRETTY SHORT TIMELINE TO COME UP WITH THE DESIGN THAT WE PRESENTED AT THAT TIME, SO WE HAD A PRELIMINARY SITE PLAN, WE HAD A CONCEPTUAL RENDERING AND ONCE THAT WAS APPROVED IN 2023, WE IMMEDIATELY SET TO WORK TO FULLY DESIGN THAT PROJECT BASED ON WHAT WAS APPROVED AND WE WORKED CLOSELY WITH STAFF TONE SURE THAT WHAT WE ULTIMATELY WENT TO PERMIT FOR ADHERE TO SUP THAT HAD BEEN APPROVED ORIGINALLY. SO WHAT WE ARE COMING IN WITH TODAY IS THE FINAL FULLY DESIGNED SITE PLAN ELEVATIONS WHICH HAVE BEEN FULLY REVIEWED BY CITY STAFF AND APPROVED FOR PERMIT PENDING THE RENEWAL OF OUR SUP. SO AS MARINNE MENTIONED WE DID REDUCE THE SITE BY 45 UNITS, 294 DOWN TO 249. WE'VE ALSO SLID OUR FOOTPRINT BACK AWAY FROM THE SINGLE FAMILY TO OUR WEST. I WANT TO ALSO TORCHON A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT CAME UP DURING THE PNZ MEETING, ONE OF THOSE BEING SOME TRAFFIC CONCERNS.I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE I'M SURE MOST ARE AWARE THE NEWLY CONSTRUCTED ROADS AND REPAVED ROADS THAT ARE WITHIN AROUND THE MASTER PLAN DEVELOPMENT OF THE WEST SIDE PRESERVE, SO THIS IS OUR SITE HERE IN THE MIDDLE AS MARIANNE MENTIONED THIS NEW SERVICE ROAD IS IN DOWN TO THE END OF OUR SITE. MILLER ROAD IS WHAT WE WILL CONNECT THAT FRONTAGE ROAD BACK TO MAIN STREET WHICH IS ALSO BEING EXPANDED AND REPAVED RIGHT NOW AND I BELIEVE WARD ROAD WHICH WILL PROVIDE FURTHER RELIEF IS UNDER CONSTRUCTION AS WELL. THIS IS AN EXHIBIT THAT I THINK MARIANNE HAS SHOWN AND DONE GOOD JOB OF EXPLAINING AND SETBACKS FROM SINGLE EXISTING FAMILY TO THE WEST AND I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO KEEP IN MIND AS WAS SHOWN ON THE ELEVATION EXHIBIT YOU HAVE A HILL BEHIND EXISTING SINGLE FAMILY AND IT START RIGHT HERE AND GOES UP TO THE TOP OF THIS POWER LINE EASEMENT AND FALLS BACK DOWN TO WHERE OUR BUILDING -- BUILDING PADS ARE ACTUALLY INSTALLED SO YOU HAVE A SIGNIFICANT HILL IN BETWEEN OUR TWO PROPERTIES THAT WILL SERVE TO SCREEN US IN ADDITION TO SETBACK. AND THIS IS THAT SAME EXHIBIT FOR OUR CLOSEST POINT WHERE THESE LOTS, I BELIEVE, ARE ACTUALLY ORIENTED SORT OF PARALLEL TO OUR BUILDINGS, SO MOST OF THEIR VIEWS ARE NOT DIRECTLY AT US FROM THE FRONT OR BACKYARDS.
AND HERE AGAIN, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE UP ON THE TOP OF THIS HILL WHICH THEN FALLS OFF SO, YOU FLOW, THE ROOF LINE OF OUR THREE STORY BUILDING ARE AT OR BELOW TWO-STORY HOME AND ONE-STORY HOME WILL BE LOWER THAN THAT. AND, AGAIN, WE HAVE LANDSCAPE TREES TO SCREEN US FROM VIEW. AND SO TO ADDRESS THE QUESTION ABOUT WHY DET ELEVATION MIGHT LOOK DIFFERENTLY, AGAIN B HAD TO DO WITH PROCESS COMING THROUGH WITH CONCEPTUAL DESIGN AT FIRST AND THEN SETTING TOWARD TO ACTUALLY DESIGN BASED ON THAT AND I HOPE IT'S APPARENT THAT WE REALLY TRY TO PUT OUR BEST NOT FORWARD WITH THE DESIGN. ANY CHANGES WE MADE WERE TO IMPROVE OR MODERNIZE WHAT WAS SHOWN AT THE COUNCIL HEARING FOR THE ORIGINAL SUP.
WE BELIEVE IT'S AN IMPROVEMENT AND WE WORKED VERY CLOSELY WITH CITY STAFF TO ENSURE THAT IT DID MEET THE COMPLIANCE OF SUP BEFORE WE WENT TO PERMIT WITH IT.
SO THIS WOULD BE THAT MAIN BUILDING WHERE OUR CLUBHOUSE IS LOCATED.
WE HAVE AN INTEGRATED CLUBHOUSE WHICH IS THE FIRST TWO STORIES IN THIS SECTION HERE.
WE HAVE UNITS ABOVE IT AS WELL AS TO THE SIDE OF IT. WE'VE KEPT THIS BARREL TILE ROOF WHICH SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE NEVER DONE BEFORE, THE INTENT BEING THAT WE WOULD REMAIN WITH THAT MEDITERRANEAN LOOK THAT WAS BROUGHT THROUGH THE FIRST TIME AROUND.
THIS IS THE BACK SIDE OF THE CLUBHOUSE WHERE WE HAVE POOL WITH CABANAS, OVER HERE WE HAVE GRILLING STATIONS,AL FRISCO DINING AREA. OFF TO THE SIDE WHERE YOU CAN'T SEE PICKLE AND RESTAURANT THAT WOULD SERVE POOL AREA AND THE PICKLE BALL.
THIS WOULD BE A TYPICAL RENDERING OF ONE OF OUR RESIDENTIAL BUILDINGS.
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THIS IS THE INTERIOR OF OUR CLUBHOUSE AND LEASING AREA. THIS WILL BE THE INTERIOR OF THE CLUBHOUSE KIND OF THE RESIDENT LOUNGE AND GAME ROOM. THIS IS OUR FITNESS CENTER.THESE ARE ACTUALLY PHOTOS OF THE INTERIOR UNITS ALSO BUILT HERE IN TOWN, A LOT OF THE SAME FEATURES THAT YOU SEE HERE WE ALWAYS DO THE P FACETS AND INCLUDING SMART THERMOSTATS AND SMART LOCKS THAT I MENTIONED EARLIER. BEDROOM OF ONE OF OUR UNITS.
THE RESTROOM. ONE OTHER THING I THINK CAME UP PARKING AND SPECIFICALLY THE COMPACT SPACES. WE DID LOOK AT THE REGISTERED VEHICLES FOR THE WESTERLY AND DETERMINED THAT 60% HAVE VEHICLES REGISTERED THAT ARE WELL WITHIN THE COMPACT SPACE.
WE HAVE NOT HAD ANY ISSUES THERE WITH PARKING AND WE DON'T FORESEE ANY ISSUES HERE.
I HOPE IT'S CLEAR KIND OF WHAT HAPPENED, WHY WE ARE WHERE WE ARE, WE ARE READY TO START, WE HAVE A FULLY DESIGNED PROJECT THAT WE BELIEVE MEETS THE INTENT OF THE SUP AND WE'RE ASKING THAT THE SUP BE RENEWED SO WE CAN BEGIN THIS PROJECT. APPRECIATE YOUR CONSIDERATION
AND WELCOME TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. >> AWESOME, THANK YOU.
COUNCIL, ANY QUESTIONS? ANNA. >> THIS MIGHT BE FOR MARIAME OR PATRICK, SO THE ACCESS ROAD IS COMPLETED. WHO BUILT THAT?
>> THEY DID. >> SO Y'ALL -- SO Y'ALL BUILT THE ROAD.
>> WE DID NOT BUILD THE ROAD. IT WAS THE MASTER PLANNER DEVELOPMENT.
>> SO AM I REMEMBERING CORRECTLY THAT THIS CORNER IS THE ONE -- WHEN THIS CAME THROUGH LAST TIME ALTHOUGH THE PD BY RIGHT CAN BE -- MULTIFAMILY OR COMMERCIAL BECAUSE OF HOW THE HIGHWAY IS, IT'S NOT IDEAL FOR COMMERCIAL? I REMEMBER US -- AM I THINKING OF THE RIGHT SPOT?
>> I CAN GIVE MY OPINION ON THAT. OUR COMPANY DOES HAVE SOME PRETTY SIGNIFICANT RETAIL DEVELOPMENT EXPERIENCE. IT'S NOT WHAT WE'RE DOING OR FOCUSING ON NOW FOR A LOT OF REASONS. I CAN TELL YOU WITH THIS BEING A MID BLOCK SITE WITH ONE-WAY TRAFFIC ON A FRONTAGE ROAD IT'S DEFINITELY NOT IDEAL FOR COMMERCIAL. I DON'T REALLY KNOW OF ANY COMMERCIAL USES THAT WOULD BE PERMITTED IN THIS PD THAT WOULD REALLY WORK WELL. IT WOULD BE LIKE A STORAGE OR AN
INDUSTRIAL SITE IN MY OPINION. >> I WAS THERE. I THINK THEY SAID THE SITE WAS
TOO BIG AND THAT. THEY -- >> THAT TOO.
IT IS PRETTY BIG. >> OKAY. >> I THINK EVERYTHING ELSE WAS WAS ANSWERED. I FEEL LIKE OVERALL IF I'M HEARING Y'ALL CORRECTLY WHAT'S BEING PRESENTED TODAY SEEMS LIKE A BETTER PRODUCT. THE ONLY THING THAT I AM WONDERING ABOUT IS THE GREEN SPACE AND THE TREES. IT LOOKS TO BE LESS THAN WHAT WAS PREVIOUS. IS THAT -- AM I READING THAT CORRECTLY OR DO YOU HAVE ANY
COMMENTS ON THAT? >> ACTUALLY I LOOKED AT BOTH THE LANDSCAPING AND IT LOOKS LESS BUT WHEN YOU ACTUALLY GET DOWN INTINTRINTO THE CALCULATION ANDR OF TREES IT'S VERY SIMILAR.
>> THE CONCRETE GOES UP TOO, DO WE HAVE LESS GREEN SPACE? >> YOU DO HAVE LESS GREEN SPACE.
LET ME GET TO IT BECAUSE IN THE PREVIOUS ITERATION THEY HAD -- THEY HAD LIKE A WRAP-AROUND BUILDING AND SO YOU HAD EXTRA SPACES WHERE NOW SINCE THEY'VE SPLIT UP THAT BUILDING, THAT'S COVERING MORE, THAT'S WHERE THE -- LIKE THIS IS THE AREA WHERE IT WAS MORE SPREAD OUT BECAUSE
COVERING MORE -- >> OKAY. OKAY.
>> DOES THAT INCLUDE THE GREEN SPACES GAINED BACK IN THE AREA BEHIND THE RETAINING WALL?
I MEAN, THAT'S NEVER -- THAT'S JUST GOING TO BE OPEN SPACE? >> CORRECT.
>> OWNED BY HOA AND MAINTAINED? >> IT DOES, BUT THEY -- WHEN YOU CALCULATE IT OUT, IT ACTUALLY ENDS UP BEING -- THAT'S WHY BEING ABOUT THE SAME BECAUSE BEFORE WHERE THEY HAD THE INTERIOR GREEN SPACE, THEY HAD IT -- THEY NOW HAVE IT OUT HERE VERSUS IN THIS SITE.
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>> OKAY. SO NET OVERALL PERVIOUS AND IMPERVIOUS SHOULD HAVE
RELATIVELY BALANCED NOW? >> BECAUSE OF PAT SIZE, LESS COVERAGE BUT YOU HAVE -- THE WAY THEIR DRIVEWAYS ARE LAID OUT, YOU END UP ACTUALLY WITH MORE DRIVE AISLE AREAS.
>> WHAT'S THE INTENT AND PURPOSE OF THAT BUFFER AREA THAT'S GOING TO BE BEHIND THE RETAINING WALL AND TREES AND ADJACENT TO? IS THAT ACTIVATED USABLE FACE, IS IT GOING TO BE MAN CUED AND
MAINTAINED SO IT'S JUST -- WHAT'S THE GOAL THERE? >> I CAN ANSWER THAT.
IT LARGELY HAD TO DO WITH THE GRADING ON THE SIDE IN THAT HILL AND WE REALLY DIDN'T WANT TO CUT INTO THAT TO MAINTAIN, YOU KNOW, THE SETBACK AS WELL AS THE ELEVATION DIFFERENCE AND THE SCREEN BETWEEN US AND THE SINGLE FAMILY SO IT WOULD -- IT WOULD BE MAINTAINED ABSOLUTELY, BUT THERE'S NO MAJOR PLAN FOR IT. I SEE IT BEING USED AS RECREATIONAL AREA BY RESIDENCE.
>> AND THAT WAS MY QUESTION, IS IT GOING TO BE FENCED OFF, IS IT SOMETHING A COUPLE OF KIDS AND A FOOTBALL CAN GO OUT THERE AND, YOU KNOW, THROW A BALL BACK AND FORTH OR IS THE GRADE TOO
SEVERE? >> IT'S PRETTY SEVERE. AT THE MOMENT WE DO HAVE IT FENCED OFF BUT, YOU KNOW, IT'S SOMEWHERE CAN TAKE A DOG OR GO LIKE AROUND FOR SURE.
>> MY MAIN CONCERN WAS MAKING SURE IT WAS MAINTAINED AN MANICURED.
>> YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. >> DON'T WANT TONED UP WITH QUASI MAINTAIN NO MAN'S LAND BETWEEN THE MULTIFAMILY AND THE SINGLE FAMILY SIDE OF IT. THANK YOU.
>> ANY QUESTIONS? >> MOST OF MY QUESTIONS HAVE BEEN ANSWERED.
A COUPLE OF THINGS. ONE IS IN TERMS OF THE RETAINING WALL, IS THAT PRIMARY FOR SOUND, PRIMARY FOR WATER, PRIMARILY FOR WHAT? [LAUGHTER]
>> RETAINING WALL IS PRIMARILY FOR WATER DRAINAGE AND THEN ACCOMMODATING THAT GREEN?
>> HOW TALL IT WOULD BE, DO YOU KNOW? >> IT'S LOOKING LIKE 8 FEET.
>> OKAY. OKAY. IT VARIES AROUND THE SITE.
IT VARIES AROUND THE SITE BUT I CAN TELL YOU WE SPENT A LOT OF TIME WITH OUR I THINK MAKING ENGINEER MAKINGSURE IT WAS RIGHS WHY THE DESIGN TOOK A HUGE CHUNK OF TIME GETTING OUR SUP APPROVED AN ULTIMATELY GETTING A PERMANENT READY SET OF PLANS, WAS MAKING SURE THAT WE GOT THE
ENGINEERING PIECE RIGHT. >> AND THE ROUTE COMING IN, ROADS COMING IN, YOU MENTIONED ABOUT WAR ROAD AND MILLER ROAD COMING IN FROM UNDERNEATH AND THE OTHER ACCESS.
I WAS TRYING TO ENVISION -- IT'S BEEN A WHILE SINCE I'VE BEEN OUT THERE WHERE WARDEN, MILLER, DOES
IT GO THROUGH SOME OF THE OTHER NEIGHBORHOODS RIGHT NOW? >> CORRECT.
I WAS SPEAKING GLOBALLY ABOUT THE WEST SIDE PRESERVE. IT DOES ALLOW CIRCULATION BUT
YOU'RE GOING THROUGH WEST SIDE PRESERVE NEIGHBORHOODS. >> OKAY.
AND I HAD THE SAME CONCERNED THAT WEAVER WAS ASKING ABOUT ABOUT THE OUTSIDE OF THE RETAINING WALL ONCE YOU HAVE A WALL THERE, IT KIND OF SETS EVERYTHING OFF AND HOW IS THAT AREA GOING TO BE USED, MAINTAINED, NOT BEING JUNKED OUT AND GROWING UP, SO I WAS
CONCERNED ABOUT THAT AS WELL. >> UNDERSTOOD. IT'LL ABSOLUTELY BE MAINTAINED.
>> WHAT'S THAT? >> OKAY, I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS --
>> MINE SHOULD BE PRETTY SIMPLE. ARE YOU COMFORTABLE THIS ORDINANCE HAS TWO-YEAR REQUIREMENT, ARE YOU COMFORTABLE THAT YOU'VE GOT THIS THING IT WOULD BE EFFECTIVE TODAY IF APPROVED, YOU GOT TWO YEARS, YOU GOT YOUR CO, YOU'RE COMFORTABLE WITH THAT?
>> YES, ABSOLUTELY IS THE SHORT ANSWER. THE DESIGN AND THE PERMITTING PROCESS WERE WHAT TOOK UP REALLY ALL OF THOSE TWO YEARS, MORE THAN TWO YEARS.
THOSE ARE BOTH BEHIND US AT THIS POINT SO WE'RE READY TO GO. >> I HAVE QUESTIONS FOR BOTH OF YOU AND YOU ALREADY ANSWERED THIS BUT I JUST WANT TO HAMMER IT ONE MORE TIME.
IF IT IS DENIED, THEN THEY CANNOT MOVE FORWARD WITH PARAMOUNTS UNLESS WE GRANT ANOTHER SUP? IF IT IS COMMUNITY RETAIL, THEY CANNOT MOVE FORWARD UNLESS THERE'S A DETAILED SITE PLAN SUBMITTED, THAT DETAIL SITE PLAN HAS TO BE APPROVED BY COUNCIL OR
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OKAY. FOR THE APPLICANT, WERE YOU THE ORIGINAL APPLICANT WHEN WE
APPROVED THIS THE FIRST TIME? >> IN 2023? >> YEAH.
>> WE WERE THE DEVELOPER AT THAT POINT IN TIME. >> OKAY.
>> I DID NOT COME THROUGH PERSONALLY AT THAT TIME. >> OKAY.
I WAS TRYING TO REMEMBER -- I WAS ON COUNCIL WHEN WE DID THIS AND IT'S -- I KIND OF FIND MYSELF IN AN INTERESTING PLACE BECAUSE IN 2023 DIFFERENT COUNCIL SAT UP HERE BUT THE COUNCILMAN TO THE RIGHT OF ME AND I HAD A VERY HEATED DEBATE OVER Y'ALL'S PROJECT AND AT THAT TIME I WAS THE ONE ARGUING ON WHY THIS WAS A GOOD CHANGE, BUT WHAT I DON'T UNDERSTAND AND I KEEP HEARING SIMILAR AND I'M HOPING YOU CAN TRY TO TELL ME WHAT I'M SIMILAR, BUT IN 2023, YOU CAME DOWN FROM 302 TO 394 WHICH WAS SMALL ADJUSTMENT BUT THE UP SALE THAT I PITCHED TO EVERYBODY YOU WERE GOING TO BRING A WAY BETTER PROJECT. IF WE LOOKED AT TWO SIDE BY SIDE COMPARISONS AGAIN, THE ARCHITECTURAL LOOK OF THE FIRST PRODUCT IS IN MY OPINION TEN TIMES BETTER THAN THE ONE YOU'RE SHOWING TONIGHT WHICH IS ALSO WHY WE GRANTED THE GRANTS FOR THE GARAGE WHICH IS WHY WE GRANTED THE VARIANTS FOR THE BUILDING HEIGHT, BUT TO BE HONEST AND I'M HOPING SOMEBODY CAN TELL ME THE DISCONNECT I'M HAVING IS NOW YOU'RE ASKING FOR THE VARIANCE ON THE HEIGHT, YOU'RE ASKING FOR THE VARIANCE ON THE GARAGES, YOU DID BRING DOWN THE UNITS WHICH IS AWESOME. WE WOULD LOVE MULTIFAMILY UNITS BUT TO BE HONEST NOW I'M GETTING A WORST PRODUCT IN MY OPINION. I MEAN, THAT LOOKS LIKE A HOTEL. SO HOW IS THIS A BETTER PRODUCT?
WHAT AM I NOT UNDERSTANDING? >> YES, IT'S A DIFFERENCE OF OPINION.
WE TRULY BELIEVE AND SET TOUT DESIGN A MORE MODERN PRODUCT THAN WHAT'S SHOWN.
THE 2023 AGAIN IT WAS NOT OUR PLAN, IT WAS SOMETHING THAT WE, YOU KNOW, INTENDED TO USE AS INSPIRATION BUT IMPROVED UPON AND, AGAIN, WE WORKED VERY CLOSELY WITH STAFF TO COME UP WITH THE PLANS THAT WERE ULTIMATELY USED TO GENERATE THE RENDERING OF WHAT WE ARE NOW PROPOSING AND I DON'T BY ANY MEANS MEAN TO THROW STAFF UNDER THE BUS, OBVIOUSLY THEY WERE WORKING HARD TO MAKE SURE THAT WE MET THE INTENT OF THE ORIGINAL SUP BUT I JUST WANT TO MAKE IT CLEAR, WE WERE AT NO POINT TRYING TO PULL A BAIT AND SWITCH OR DOWNGRADE THE PRODUCT.
I CAN TELL YOU IT IS CERTAINLY NOT ANY CHEAPER TO BUILD THAN WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT AND WHAT
WAS APPROVED ORIGINALLY. >> A THOUSAND PERCENT BELIEVE THAT.
I SAT DOWN WITH THE DEVELOPER AT THE TIME WHEN THEY BROUGHT THE FIRST PRODUCT THROUGH AND I WILL SAY THE SAME THAT I SAID TO YOU NOW, I UNDERSTAND THE BOTTOM PRODUCT IS PROBABLY MORE COSTLY TO BUILD THAN THE ONE YOU'RE PROPOSING NOW. YOU THINK IT'S CHEAPER TO BUILD
THE FIRST -- >> I'M NOT SAYING IT'S CHEAPER BUT I WOULD SAY THEY'RE
CERTAINLY ON PAR. >> THE ARTICULATION CHANGES IN THE ORIGINAL OR A LOT GRADER GRADEGREATER THAN THE -- ASSUME THAT'S ONE. WE LOVE BUSINESS, WE WANT PEOPLE TO COME TO MIDLOTHIAN BUT AT THE SAME TIME WE WANT TO HAVE THE ABSOLUTE HIGHEST STANDARD IN ARCHITECTURAL LOOKS POSSIBLE AND I JUST DON'T KNOW IF WE ARE HITTING THAT TONIGHT.
>> CAN YOU -- IT KIND OF SURPRISES ME THAT YOU SAY THAT BECAUSE I WOULD HAVE THOUGHT IT WAS A BETTER PRODUCT. CAN YOU POINT OUT WHAT ARE YOU SEEING BECAUSE I THINK PROBABLY
BETTER EYE FOR IT? >> LESS VERTICAL -- HORIZONTAL ARTICULATION.
I SEE LIGHTS EVERYWHERE SO I FEEL LIKE IT'S JOB THAT EVERYBODY GETS TO TALK.
>> I JUST WANT TO HAVE MORE DETAILS. >> OKAY.
SO YOU TOO WANT ME TO CLARIFY IT. >> I WILL BE HAPPY TO JOIN --
>> WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE MASSING OF THE ORIGINAL APPROVED SITE PLAN YOU HAD MUCH LARGER OVERALL BUILDING FOOTPRINT. THIS ONE APPEARS TO HAVE SMALLER FOOTPRINTS IN THE NEW CONFIGURATION, SO WHEN I THINK OF A MUCH LONGER BUILDING, I HAVE A LOT MORE CONCERN ABOUT HOW MUCH WHAT THE ARTICULATION AND VARIABILITY THERE IS. THE SMALLER THE BUILDING IS, TOO MUCH ARTICULATION AND SMALLER MASS BUILDING CAN BE OFF-PUTTING OR OFF-SETTING TOO.
THOSE ARE IN MY OPINION ESTHETIC ARGUMENTS. I THINK THAT FOR ME THE MAIN DIFFERENCE I SEE IS, I THINK, THE ORIGINAL APPEARED TO HAVE A LITTLE MORE POP IN SOME OF THE
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ACCENT PIECES THAT SO WHERE YOU'RE SHOWING THE NEW CLUBHOUSE, I THINK YOU'RE SHOWING, THE OUTSIDE OF IT, YOU ARE PERGULA STYLE AWNINGS RIGHT THERE.>> THAT'S AN ELEMENT THAT WE ADDED IN ORDER TO -- WE UNDERSTOOD THERE WAS CONCERN
ABOUT DIFFERENCES BETWEEN WHAT WAS ORIGINALLY APPROVED, SO -- >> BUT I DON'T SEE THOSE ON THE RENDERINGS OF THE OTHER BUILDING. IS THAT A CONSISTENT THEME ELEMENT THAT IS INCORPORATED THROUGHOUT THE PROJECT OR JUST THIS ONE BUILDING THAT HAS THAT?
>> THE INTENT WOULD BE THIS BUILDING SINCE THIS IS THE -- RIGHT HERE IS OUR CLUBHOUSE AND
THIS IS KIND OF THE MAIN ELEVATION THAT'S BEING SEEN. >> ABSOLUTELY.
AND ALWAYS, YOU KNOW, THE CLUBHOUSE SHOULD BE PRETTY, SOMETHING EVERYBODY IS GOING TO USE BUT AT THE SAME TIME I THINK MAYBE THAT MIGHT BE SOME OF -- WHEN I LOOK AT, THIS I FEEL LIKE IT HAS THE SAME WEIGHT AND GRAVITY AS THE ARTICULATION AND THE VARIABILITY IN THE PREVIOUS.
>> RIGHT. >> AND SO PERHAPS INCORPORATION OF SOME OF THOSE -- THOSE ACCENT
THAT IS CREATE A LITTLE MORE GRAVITY THROUGHOUT THE PROJECT. >> AND WE FELT WE ALREADY DID HAVE SOME OF THAT LIKE WITH THE TOWER ELEMENT HERE, IT'S ALSO, YOU KNOW, IT SEEMED LIKE MAYBE SOME OF THE DISCONNECT COULD HAVE BEEN EVEN LIGHTING OR THE ANGLE OF THE RENDERINGS, IT'S TOUGH TO SEE THE WOOD CARVELS TO INSURE THAT WAS INCLUDED, SO WE DO FEEL THAT THIS IS, YOU KNOW, TAKING THE ORIGINAL CONCEPT THAT WAS BROUGHT THROUGH AND ELEVATING IT THAT WAS INCLUDED.
SO WE DO FEEL THAT THIS IS, YOU KNOW, TAKING THE ORIGINAL CONCEPT THAT WAS BROUGHT THROUGH
AND ELEVATING IT AND JUST MODERNIZING IT A LITTLE BIT. >> AND I WILL AGREE WITH YOU.
WHEN YOU SHOW THAT DETAIL THERE, IT DEFINITELY LOOKS -- >> LOOKS A LOT BETTER THAN THE
-- >> LOOKS BETTER -- IT IS LESS ARTICULATION BUT DOES HAVE MORE ARCHITECTURAL VARIANCE THAN WHAT WAS IN THE PACT. PACT ET.
IT COULD HAVE BEEN LIGHTING. EVEN THE CAPS ON THE STONE SECTION.
I APPRECIATE THE STONE GOING HIGHER, ADDS ELEGANCE TO IT AND I LIKE THE UNDEREVE ARCHITECTURAL ELEMENTS THAT YOU GUYS HAVE THERE SO THANK YOU FOR THE CLARIFICATION.
>> THANK YOU. I WILL SAY THIS IS THE BUILDING THAT YOU WILL SEE IN MOST INSTANCES ACROSS THE SITE OR SOME VARIATION OF IT. THIS IS THE ONE-TIME CLUBHOUSE UP AT THE FRONT, SO BECAUSE IT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE OF AN EFFICIENT BUILDING DESIGN, THAT'S PART OF WHY THERE'S NOT QUITE AS MUCH ARTICULATION ESPECIALLY IF YOU'RE IN THE CLUB AREA. AGAIN, WE ARE OPEN TO WAYS TO ENHANCE THAT WITHIN THE SITE
THAT WE CAN WORK WITH. >> YEAH, THAT LOOKS A LOT DIFFERENT THAN THE OTHER --
TRASH. [LAUGHTER] >> YEAH, THE OTHER RENDERING, THE ONE PRIOR TO THIS WAS A LOT BETTER THAN THIS ONE. THE ONE -- THE PAGE DOWN.
>> OKAY, WAIT, YOU'RE SAYING THIS ONE THAT'S ON THE SCREEN IS THE ONE YOU DO OR DON'T LIKE?
>> NO, I'M SAYING THAT THAT LOOKS A LOT BETTER THAN THE OTHER REASONEDDERRING THEY JUST SHOWED BECAUSE THAT ONE HAS -- IT'S MORE FLAT AND YOU EXPLAINED WHY.
THAT MAKES TOTAL SENSE SINCE YOU EXPLAINED IT. >> IF IT'S GOING TO BE ARCHITECTURAL, ARE WE ABLE TO -- TO ME IT'S A BIG DEAL ON WHETHER WE CAN GET CONSENSUS ON THIS MULTIFAMILY, THAT'S ONE THING, BUT THEN IF IT'S GOING TO BE ARCHITECTURAL --
>> I MEAN, I DON'T THINK IT'S HOLDING UP COUNCIL. I JUST HAD SOME CONCERNS ABOUT
IT THAT I WAS CURIOUS WHY THE SWITCH. >> WELL, I HEARD --
>> I SAY THAT, THERE'S MULTIPLE LIGHTS ON, SO COUNCILMAN ROGERS. >> I JUST WAS CURIOUS AS STAFF CAN MENTION, IS THIS THE SAME RENDERING THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT THE SCREEN THERE THAT WAS
FRIENDED TO P&Z? >> NO. >> PARDON?
>> THIS IS NEW. >> THIS HAS ELEVATED FROM A MORE BASIC STRUCTURE TO THIS AND I'M REALLY NOT INTERESTED IN LOOKING AT ALL THESE DIFFERENT PICTURES. I WANT TO GO BACK TO THE BEFORE AND AFTER. SO, YEAH, I WAS HEA HERE IN '23O AND WE WERE GOING TO GET THE GRANDIOSE EXPERIENCE THAT WAS GOING TO SUPER POP BECAUSE WE WEREN'T INTERESTED ON WHAT WOULD LOOK ON THE INSIDE BUT WE WERE INTERESTED IF HOW IT'S GOING TO LOOK IN 35 YEARS WHEN WE ARE DRIVING INTO THE GATEWAYS INTO THE COMMUNITY. WHEN I LOOK AT THE BOTTOM
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PICTURE I SEE MANY ELEVATIONS OF DEPTH AND I'M NOT AN ARCHITECT. I DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THIS STUFF. I SEE MANY DIFFERENT ELEVATIONS OF DEPTH, I SEE ARCHWAYS ON THE TOWER HOUSE. I SEE IT ON THE BOTTOM END, I SEE MULTILEVELS OF DEFINITION OF DEPTH, TWO, THREE, FOUR TIMES DEEP. I SEE ROOFTOP FACADE UP AND DOWN, I SEE POSTED ALABAMA THERE, THIS IS FULL-BLOWN POP AND WOW AND WHEN I LOOK AT THAT ON THE TOP I'M LOOKING AT THE HOTEL OVER IN MANSFIELD ON DOVE CREEK IS WHAT I'M LOOKING AT.YOU HAVE -- YOU HAVE SOME STONE FACADE THAT'S NOT EVEN PROBABLY REAL STONE, YOU HAVE STUCCO, THAT CREATE THE ELEMENT OF ELEVATION CHANGE DEPTH CHANGE WHICH THERE IS NONE THERE.
ALL THE WINDOWS BASICALLY THE SAME SIZE. YOU HAVE NONE OF THE ARCH WAY TOP CHANGES AND WINDOWS IF YOU LOOK DOWN THIS ONE FRONT AND EVEN ALL THE WAY DOWN AT THE BOTTOM PICTURE THREE-FOURTHS TO HAVE WAY DOWN, YOU HAD THE WHOLE GROWTH OUTCROPPING COMING ALL THE WAY I DON'T EVEN THINK I'M LOOKING AT THE SAME, EVEN CLOSE PICTURE.
SO FOR ME THIS DOESN'T EVEN COME CLOSE TO WHAT WE AGREED TO BACK IN '23 AND WHY WE AGREED TO GET RID OF A LOT OF COVERED PARKING SPACE AND WHAT HAVE YOU I I FEEL LIKE I'M LOOKING AT MUCH -- EVERYTHING THAT WOULD KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT CONSTRUCTION LACK OF LEVEL OF FACADE DEPTH GETTING RID, GETTING RID OF MOST ARCHWAYS, THE TOWER HOUSES, THE ROOF TOWER HOUSES, YOU CUT
DRASTICALLY. >> CAN I GET CLARIFICATION? IT'S THE BOTTOM ONE OR TOP ONE.
>> THE BOTTOM ONE WAS WE APPROVED. >> THAT MAKES A LOT MORE SENSE.
I THOUGHT THE BOTTOM ONE WAS THE NEW ONE. >> I SEE.
>> I WAS REALLY CONFUSED. OKAY. I HAVE TO AGREE ON THAT ONE
THEN. >> I WANT TO MAKE SURE EVERYBODY GETS A CHANCE AND WE CAN GO FROM THERE. FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND AND MISSING SOMETHING, I GET WE DON'T LIKE THE WAY SOME OF IT LOOKS, I PERSONALLY DON'T HAVE THE WAY IT LOOKS, I DON'T REALLY THINK IT LOOKS BAD, LIKE A HOTEL IN MANSFIELD. THE WAY I LOOK AT IT, YOU HAVE SUP THAT WE NEGOTIATED BACK AND FORTH IN 2023 AND PROBABLY PUT YOU OVER THE RINGER ONTO GET IT WHERE IT WAS AT, YOU WERE A LITTLE BIT LATE ON THE CONSTRUCTION DEAL AND NOW YOU'RE ASKING TO GET IT RENEWED AND ALSO BY THE WAY, HEY, I WANT TO RENEW IT AND I WANT TO REDUCE THE DENSITY 20%. I THINK THAT'S A PRETTY GOOD-FAITH EFFORT TO HAVE SOME GIVE AND TAKE. I LIKE LOWER DENSITY, SO I LIKE HAVING 50 LESS MULTIFAMILY UNITS. I LOOK IT AND I'M GOOD WITH IT AND EVERYBODY ELSE CAN GO FROM
THERE. >> SO TO ADD MINE, I GOOD WITH DOING ANOTHER SUP LIKE THE DENSITY GOING DOWN. I DO PREFER THE ARCHITECTURE OF THE PREVIOUS ONE.
HOWEVER, AND IF THAT IS CONSENSUS, HOWEVER, TO GET THERE IS A DIFFERENT QUESTION, BUT
THAT'S -- THAT'S ME WEIGHING IN ON MY OPINION. >> SO I INITIALLY HAD MY CONCERNS BASED ON THIS ONE SLIDE THAT WE'VE GOT UP ON THE SCREEN NOW, BUT, YOU KNOW, AFTER THE DISCUSSION, THE CLARIFICATION THE ONLY BUILDING THAT LOOKS LIKE THE TOP ONE IN THE PROJECT BEING PROPOSED IS THE CLUBHOUSE BUILDING. EVERY OTHER ONE OF THESE BUILDINGS IF YOU GO INTO EXHIBIT C ELEVATION FACADE, IF YOU ZOOM IN ON THE ACTUAL RESIDENTIAL BUILDINGS, THEY HAVE THE CORNER CAP PROJECTIONS, THEY HAVE THE ARTICULATION, THERE'S SOME ARCH FEATURES, THERE ARE SOME WINDOW FEATURES, THERE'S STILL, YOU KNOW, TOWER PROJECTIONS COMING OUT. AND SO I THINK -- JUDGING THE ENTIRE PROJECT LIKE EVERYBODY BUILDING IS GOING TO LOOK LIKE THE ONE ON THE TOP WHEN THE OVERALL EXHIBIT C ELEVATION AND FACADE PLAN SHOWS EVERY OTHER BUILDING WITH SIGNIFICANTLY MORE VARIATION AND ARTICULATION THAT I THINK MEETS THE SPIRIT IN MY OPINION OF WHAT WAS PROPOSED ORIGINALLY EVEN THOUGH IT'S SLIGHT LITEMATICALLY ORIENT AND IF YOU LOOK AT EXHIBIT C AND EVERY EXHIBIT ON THERE IT DOES NOT LOOK LIKE THE ONE SHOWN ON TOP. THAT'S WHY I'M SAYING, MIL MAKEE
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WE INCORPORATE OF THE SUP THAT'S APPROVED BECAUSE IT REALLY SHOWS SIGNIFICANTLY MORE ARTICULATION AND VARIABILITY AND ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN ELEMENTS. I THINK IT'S UNFAIR TO JUDGE THE WHOLE PROJECT ON THE ONE BUILDING THAT'S UNIQUE BECAUSE IT CONTAINS THE CLUBHOUSE.>> MIKE, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE? >> I'M SORRY.
I'M DONE. >> WELL, WAYNE, I'M SORRY -- >> YEAH.
I WAS -- I WAS GOING TO AGREE WITH MR. WEAVER. THE ELEVATION FACADE PLAN.
IT LOOKS LIKE AN AERIAL VIEW, PICTURE, BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT THIS IS BUT YOU SEE 8 BUILDINGS HERE AND THE ONE BUILDING THAT LOOKS PLAINER THAN THE OTHER SEVEN IS THE ONE ON THE SCREEN A MINUTE AGO AND YOU HAVE SEVEN OF THEM THAT H HAVE A LOT MORE OF E ARTICULATION AND SO HAPPENS THAT THE ONE BUILDING HAS TO BE WHERE THE CLUBHOUSE IS, WHERE THE SWIMMING POOL IS AND THINGS THAT APPRECIATED THE CLARIFICATION THAT WAS MADE A MOMENT AGO BUT THAT'S WHAT I WAS KIND OF GAUGING, 8 BUILDINGS AND THAT'S THE ONE BUILDING THAT SITS IN THE MIDDLE OF IT THAT WE WERE LOOKING AT AND GOT SEVEN OTHER ONES THAT ARE ACTUALLY THAT'S GOING TO BE SEEN IN THE GATEWAY COMING IN, DRIVING DOWN 287, THOSE ARE THE BUILDINGS ON THE EDGES THAT ARE GOING TO BE SEEN AND THEY HAVE TO ME A WHOLE LOT MORE ARTICULATION THAT'S THERE LIKE WHAT THE FIRST RENDERING WAS. I WASN'T HERE IN '23 SO I DON'T HAVE TO COMPARE TO.
>> I NEED ONE MORE CLARIFICATION AND THIS IS ONE SIDE NOTE, PART OF MY FRUSTRATION, WHEN OUR PACKET CONTAINS DIFFERENT THINGS THAN WHAT WE ARE SEEING HERE. THE PICTURE OF THE NEW BUILDING IS NOT IN THE PACKET, WHAT IS THIS -- WHATEVER -- LIKE THE EXHIBIT C, LIKE THAT LOOKS -- I LOOK AT THIS AND, GREAT, THE FIRST TIME WE ARE SEEING THE OTHER BUILDING, I'VE NEVER SEEN THAT BEFORE SO I'M ACTUALLY VERY CONFUSED ON WHAT I'M EVEN LOOKING AT.
LIKE, IS IT THIS ONE? IS THAT THE OLD ONE IN THE PACKET?
>> IT'S THE NEW AND THE OLD ONE BECAUSE YOU HAD THE OLD -- YOU HAD THE PREVIOUS ORDINANCE FOR
COMPARISON. >> YES. >> IF YOU GO TO NEW EXHIBIT C --
>> TINNY BUILDINGS THAT DON'T TELL ME MUCH. >> AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE ELEVATIONS IN HERE, THERE'S FIVE DIFFERENT BUILDINGS ON THE ACTUAL ELEVATIONS.
THERE'S A THROUGH E. SO THE POINT THERE'S 5 DIFFERENT BUILDINGS, THE BIG ONE IS A AND
THERE'S ONLY ONE OF THOSE. >> THAT'S THE CLUBHOUSE. >> THAT'S THE CLUBHOUSE.
>> CORRECT. >> AND THEN BUILDING TYPE B THROUGH E ARE THE SIX OTHER
BUILD THAT IS ARE AROUND IT. >> AND THAT'S THE ONES THAT LOOK LIKE THE HOTEL THAT SOME OF
Y'ALL CALL IT -- >> BUILDING A THAT THEY REFERENCED LOOKS LIKE THE HOTEL.
>> MIGHT BEING. >> I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SEE THE OLD RENDITION AND I WANT YOU TO SCROLL THROUGH ALL YOUR PICTURES AND SHOW US THE NICE LOOKING BUILDING THAT'S SUPPOSED TO MATCH THAT. THAT'S WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE OLD RENDITION AND THEN I WANT YOU TO SCROLL DOWN THROUGH ALL THIS AND I WANT TO SEE THE NICEST LOOKING
ONE YOU'VE GOT. >> OKAY. >> THIS IS OURS.
>> I BELIEVE -- >> IT'S IN HIS. I'M SAYING I CAN REMEMBER -- I DON'T NEED YOU TO PUT THEM SIDE BY SIDE BUT I CAN REMEMBER WHAT THAT BUILDING LOOKED LIKE, THE
OLD RENDITION AND I WOULD LIKE TO SEE -- >> THE CLOSEST ONE.
>> THE CLOSEST MATCH. SO THIS IS IT RIGHT HERE. >> I BELIEVE THIS WOULD BE THE
CLOSEST MATCH. >> SO ANNA, YOU'RE SEEING THIS, RIGHT?
THAT'S WHAT IT'S SUPPOSED TO LOOK LIKE, THE OLD RENDITION? >> SO THAT ELEVATION THAT WE ARE LOOKING AT RIGHT NOW, MY NAME IS MIKE LEON, ARCHITECTURE, MY OFFICE IS 879 JUNCTION DRIVE IN ALLEN, TEXAS AND I WAS PRESENT AT THE 2023 ZONING ORIGINALLY. THIS ELEVATION RIGHT HERE WOULD BE THE BUILDING TYPE B, C, D AND E FRONT ELEVATION SO SEVEN OF THE EIGHT BUILDINGS THIS IS WHAT
IT WILL LOOK LIKE. >> AND WHAT IS THE OTHER ONE? >> THE PLAINER ONE.
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>> THAT'S THE BUILDING 1A, THE ONE LABELED 1A IN THE MIDDLE OF THE SITE PLAN THAT WOULD BE THE NORTH ELEVATION OF THAT 1A BUILDING. AND THE REASON WHY IT'S SQUARED OFF AND LOOKS HOTEL-LIKE AS WE ARE SAYING, IS BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE PATIOS ABOVE THE CLUBHOUSE.
AS YOU WERE CONCERNED ABOUT THE LONGEVITY OF THE PROJECT SO WE ARE AS WELL, WATER-PROOFING IS IMPORTANT TO US, UNCONDITIONED BALCONY SPACE OVER A CONDITION CLUBHOUSE FLOOR SPACE JUST LEAVES THE WATER PROOFING ISSUES NOT IF BUT WHEN, SO JUST HAVING BARBECUE GRILLS AND DOGS BARKING ON BALCONIES WHEN YOU HAVE TENANTS TO LEASE AND YOU'RE USING THE TOOL IN THE BACK, WE DON'T LIKE PUTTING UNCONDITIONED PATIOS ABOVE THE CLUBHOUSE. THAT'S WHY YOU GET THE SQUARED
[2026-066 Consider and act upon authorizing the City Manager to enter into an agreement with J&K Excavation, LLC for the Midlothian Conference Center Detention Pond Improvement Project in a bid amount of $1,227,111.16, plus 10% contingency in the amount of $123,000, for a total cost of $1,350,111.16. ]
OFF LOOK AT THE CLUB BUT THEN ALL THE OTHER BUILDINGS WHERE YOU DO HAVE PATIOS YOU GET THEARTICULATION THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. >> THANK YOU.
COUNCIL, IS THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? >> MOTION.
>> YEAH, I DON'T -- I DON'T THINK WE HAVE DO REACH CONSENSUS, JUST A MAJORITY AND DECIDE WHAT'S BEST FOR MIDLOTHIAN AND WITH THAT I WILL TAKE A MOTION?
>> MOTION TO APPROVE AS PRESENTED FOR. >> MOTION TO APPROVE AS
PRESENTED BY MOORMAN. >> DO I HAVE A SECOND? >> SECOND BY COUNCILMAN WEAVER,
PLEASE VOTE. AND THE ITEM PASSES 4 TO 2. >> THANK YOU, GUYS.
>> THANK YOU. >> REGULAR AGENDA NOW OPENING ITEM 2026-66 CONSIDERING ACT UPON AUTHORIZATIONING THE CITY MANAGER TO ENTER INTO AN AGREEMENT WITH J&K SALVIZATION LLC FOR MID LOATHIAN CONFERENCE CENTER DETENTION POND IMPROVEMENT PROJECT IN A BID AMOUNT OF 122 7ELEVEN 1.1 PLUS 10% CONTINGENCY IN AMOUNT OF $123,000 FOR THE TOTAL COST OF
1,350,111.16. >> THANK YOU, MAYOR PRO TEMPORE. GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL.
THIS ITEM INVOLVES THE IMPROVEMENTS TO THE EXISTING CONFERENCE CENTER DETENTION POND WHICH INCLUDES IMPROVEMENTS TO THE DAMN, OUTLET STRUCTURE AS WELL AS INCREASING STORAGE VALUE WITHIN THE POND. BIDS FOR THE PROJECT WERE RECEIVED FEBRUARY 11TH AND SIX BIDS RECEIVED J&K CAVE GAS STATION WAS APPARENT MOST QUALIFIED BIDDER IN THE AMOUNTS YOU SEE IN FRONT OF YOU BASED ON THE SCHEDULING FOR THIS PROJECT, THIS PROJECT IS BEING FUNDED OUT OF TAX NOTE BEING ISSUED IN 2023. THE PROJECT WAS IDENTIFIED AS A TAX NOTE PROJECT AND WITH THAT I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE.
>> COUNCIL, ANY QUESTIONS? >> QUICKLY, IS THIS WHERE WE ARE UTILIZING AN REDOING AN AREA THAT WE'VE BEEN DOING IN THE PAST AS FORM OF RETENTION, THE VOLUME OF WATER FROM GET TO GO
THE DAM DOWN STREAM? >> YES. >> HOW MUCH DO YOU THINK IT WOULD HELP THE HOMES AND WHAT KIND OF A FLOOD EVENT IS THIS ENGINEERED FOR?
>> SO IT ACTUALLY LOOKED AT THE VARIOUS, 5, 10, 10 AND 10 AND COUNCILMAN JUST TO GIVE YOU A
[2026-067 Consider and act upon authorizing the City Manager to enter into an agreement with Red River Construction Company for the Tayman Water Treatment Plant Mechanical Dewatering Improvement Project in a base bid amount of $3,334,000 minus a deductive change order amount of $225,770, plus $50,000 contingency for a total cost of $3,158,230. ]
QUICK NUMBERS, WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT ROUGHLY IS ANYWHERE FROM THE SMALLER STORMS, YOU'RELOOKING AT 35% REDUCTION TO LARGER STORMS 25% REDUCTION. >> SO IT'S EVEN GOING TO HELP
WITH LARGE STORMS -- >> YES, SIR. THE INTEND OF DESIGN -- WE HAVE SMALL STORMS THAT CREATE DAMAGE AS WELL SO THIS DOES SMALLER AS WELL AS THE LARGER STORMS.
>> THANK YOU, MIKE. >> YES, SIR. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COUNCIL?
IF NOT, MOTION? >> MAKE AMOTION WE APPROVE AS PRESENTED.
>> COUNCILMAN ROGERS AND SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER HAMMONDS, PLEASE VOTE, PASSES 6 TO 0.
>> ITEM 202667 CONSIDER AND ACT UPON AUTHORIZING ENTER AGREEMENT WITH RED RIVER CONSTRUCTION COMPANY 3,334,000,000 MINUS CHANGE ORDER OF 225770 PLUS 50,000 CONTINGENCY FOR A TOTAL
COST OF 3 -- $3,158,230. >> THANK YOU, MAYOR PRO TEMPORE AND I APOLOGIZE FOR ALL THE NUMBERS. I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE GET IT APPROVED HOPEFULLY.
SO THIS ITEM ACTUALLY THIS HAS BEEN IN DISCUSSION LONG BEFORE I GOT HERE AND SO I'VE BEEN HERE
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ALMOST 24 YEARS NOW SO I THINK THEY'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT SOME TIME OF PRESS, PRESS WATER TREATMENT PLAN FOR A LONG TIME. THIS HAS BEEN IN THE WORKS FOR A WHILE.SO THIS -- THIS PROJECT WAS BID ON DECEMBER 17TH, THE REASON WHY WE WAITED AS LONG TO BRING BEFORE COUNCIL LOOKING AT DOING VALUING ENGINEERING TO THE PROJECT BASED ON ITEMS THAT WE COULD REMOVE WHICH WOULDN'T IMPACT THE OVERALL PERFORMANCE OF THE PRESS OR THE OPERATION BUT ALSO TRYING TO REDUCE SOME OF THE COSTS BECAUSE WE -- WE WERE SURPRISED IN THE BUILDING COSTS THAT CAME IN HIGHER THAN ANTICIPATED. AND SO WE ARE BRINGING THIS BEFORE YOU TONIGHT OUT OF THE THREE BIDS THAT WERE RECEIVED RED RIVER CONSTRUCTION WAS THE
[2026-068 Presentation of the Midlothian Community Development Corporation (MCD) Year-End Report for FY 2024-2025 ]
APPARENT LOWEST QUALIFIED BIDDER ON THIS PROJECT. THIS PROJECT DOES HAVE A SUBSTANTIAL COMPLETION DATE OF 330 CALENDAR DAYS AND FINAL OF 3 -- I'M SORRY, 300 CALENDAR DAYS AN FINAL OF 330 CALENDAR DAIS. THIS IS A UTILITY FUND PROJECT. WE DO HAVE FUNDING AVAILABLE AND IDENTIFIED AS PART OF THE UTILITY FUND AND WITH THAT I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONSTHAT THE COUNCIL MAY HAVE. >> COUNCIL ANY QUESTIONS AND/OR A MOTION? MOTION TO APPROVE AND A SECOND BY -- COUNCILMAN SHUFFIELD, PLEASE VOTE.
ITEM PASSES 6 TO 0. >> THANK YOU, COUNCIL. >> OPENING ITEM 202668 PRESENTATION OF THE MIDLOATHIAN COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT COULD YOU REPEAT THE QUESTION END YEAR
REPORT FOR FISCAL YEAR 2024-2025. >> GOOD EVENING.
>> GOOD EVENING. >> LET ME SEE IF I CAN FIND OUR LITTLE PRESENTATION HERE.
I'M REALLY EXCITED TO SHARE OUR ANNUAL REPORT WITH YOU GUYS TONIGHT.
WE'RE GOING TO BE -- WELL, I'M STANDING HERE DO I WANT TO GIVE A SHOUT-OUT TO THE MARKETING AND COMMUNICATIONS DEPARTMENT BECAUSE THEY WALKED ASO LONG SIDE US THROUGHOUT OUR ANNUAL REPORTS AND COMMUNICATIONS STRATEGY. SO WE'RE GOING TO HIGHLIGHT LAST YEAR'S ACCOMPLISHMENTS BUT WE ALSO WANT TO SHOWCASE SOME OF OUR COMMUNICATION STRATEGIES THAT ARE NOW INCORPORATED IN THIS ANNUAL REPORT. YOU WILL NOTICE WORLDER USE OF COLOR PALLETS WITH BROWNS AND BLUE GIVING VIBRANCY TO MARKETING AND DROPPED NAME CORPORATION TO MARKETING AND NEW TAG LINE MAKING LIFE BETTER WHICH REALLY CAPTURES OUR PURPOSE. AND WE HAVE RECORD FROM OUR OUTGOING PRESIDENT JANUARY DAVIS AND TO OUR LEFT YOU WILL SEE OUR NEW MISSION STATEMENT. THE MISSION STATEMENT IS CLEAR CONCISE AND EASY FOR THE PUBLIC TO UNDERSTAND. WE WILL HAVE HAVE HARD COPIES OF THIS AND THIS IS HOUSED ON THE CITY WEBSITE UNDER THE MCD PAGE. IN READING THROUGH THE OVERVIEW OF PROGRESS, YOU WILL SEE THAT WE HAVE PURPOSELY STRENGTHENED OUR CORPORATE FOUNDATION BY ADDING STAFF, UPDATING POLICY, ENHANCING OVERSIGHT AND INCREASING STRATEGIC PLANNING ALL TO ENSURE PROJECTS ARE MEANINGFUL AND DELIVER LONG-TERM COMMUNITY VALUE.
IN READING THE BOARD MEMBER PROFILES HIGHLIGHT THE SEVEN-MEMBER VOLUNTEER BOARD THAT GUIDES MCD'S MISSION. EACH MIGHT BE BRINGS DEEP PROFESSIONAL EXPERTISE AND SHARED COMMITMENT TO MIDLOTHIAN GROWTH AND THEY'VE ARE THE HEART OF GROWTH.
YOU WILL SEE MCD HAS INVESTED IN MAJOR COMMUNITY PROJECTS AND ASSETS THIS YEAR WITH THE EXPANSION OF THE -- OF THE METHODIST HOSPITAL AND COMPLETION OF CITY HALL AND BRIE BARE AND REFRESH OF THE CONFERENCE CENTER. WE'VE ALSO FUNDED PUBLIC SAFETY, PARK DESIGN ALL WHICH STRENGTHEN QUALITY OF LIFE AND SUPPORT LOCAL BUSINESSES.
BLESS YOU. WE'VE INVESTED IN PARKS, SIGNAGE, ASSISTIVE TECHNOLOGY, MEMORIALS ALL WHICH REFLECT MCD'S COMMITMENT ACT OF LIVING, ACCESSIBILITY AND COMMUNITY PRIDE. THROUGH OUR PROMOTIONAL GRANT MCD HAD PARTNERED WITH CITY AND LOCAL ORGANIZATIONS TO FUND HIGH-IMPACT EVENT THAT IS BRING RESIDENTS TOGETHER AND STRENGTHEN MIDLOTHIAN SENSE OF COMMUNITY. SO AN OVERVIEW OF OUR EVENTS LAST YEAR. WE DREW MORE THAN 58,000 PEOPLE TO THESE EVENTS DEMONSTRATING STRONG COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT AND CITY WIDE PARTICIPATION. IT'S A GREAT FIREWORK PICTURE.
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AND, OF COURSE, LOOK BACK AT OUR HILLARY CLINTON OR CALL FUNDING AND THE IMPACT THAT IT HAS HAD FROM 1999 TO 2024 WE HAVE INVESTED OVER $29 MILLION TO HELP STRENGTHEN PARKS, BUILD INFRASTRUCTURE AND ASSIST COMMUNITY PARTNERS AND DEVELOP COMMUNITY SERVICES.AGAIN, THIS IS HOUSED ON THE WEBSITE AND YOU'LL BE ABLE TO -- I HAVE HARD COPIES, IF ANYBODY WANTS ONE, YOU CAN JUST E-MAIL ME. NEXT, I WANT TO SHARE A VIDEO DEVELOPED THROUGH OUR COMMUNICATION PLAN. [MUSIC]
>> DID YOU KNOW THAT IF YOU LIVE, WORK, STOP OR DINE IN MIDLOTHIAN, DID YOU KNOW THAT IF YOU LIVE, WORK, SHOP OR DINE IN MIDLOTHIAN, YOU PLAY AN IMPORTANT ROLE IN BUILDING OUR COMMUNITY. WELCOME TO MIDLOTHIAN COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT, ALSO KNOWN AS MCD.
THE PART OF YOUR CITY THAT FUNDS PROJECTS THAT MAKE LIFE BETTER FOR EVERYONE WHO LIVES HERE, THINGS LIKE PARKS, FESTIVALS, COMMUNITY EVENTS, SPORTS FACILITIES, CONFERENCE CENTERS, HOSPITALS, SENIOR CENTERS, HOTELS, LIBRARIES AND MORE. MCD USES A PORTION OF LOCAL SALES TAX TO FUND THESE PROJECTS SO THE MORE YOU SHOP, DINE OR DO BUSINESS IN MIDLOTHIAN, THE MORE FUNDS THERE ARE FOR PROJECTS THAT ENHANCE FOR EVERYONE. MCD FUNDED PROJECT STRENGTHEN OUR LOCAL ECONOMY BY GETTING PEOPLE OUT AND ABOUT SHOPPING AND DINING AT LOCAL BUSINESSES AND ENJOYING LIFE AROUND TOWN. YOU'LL FIND THEM AT OUR PARKS, NATURE TRAILS, WALKING PATHS, SPORTS COURTS, PLAYGROUNDS AND SPLASH PADS. YOU'LL ALSO SEE THEM CHEERING THEIR FAVORITE TEAMS AT FOOTBALL GAMES, BASEBALL TOURNAMENTS AND SOCCER MATCHES, ATTENDING MEETINGS AND EVENTS AT OUR CONFERENCE CENTER, RELAXING AT OUR HOTEL, CELEBRATING AT ONE OF OUR STREET FESTIVALS, ENJOYING CONCERTS AT THE COMMUNITY THEATER, HONORING FALLEN HEROS AT VETERANS MEMORIAL AND APPRECIATING THE COMFORT AND SECURITY OF METHODIST MEDICAL CENTER NEARBY. MCD PROJECTS BOOST OUR LOCAL ECONOMY IN MANY WAYS, TAKE THE NEW ARTIFICIAL TURF ON THE BASEBALL FIELDS, NO MORE MUDDY INFIELDS NOW MEANS GAMES PLAY ON RAIN OR SHINE BRINGING MORE VISITORS, MORE BUSINESS MORE OFTEN TO LOCAL SHOPS AND RESTAURANT. IT'S GREAT FOR TEAMS AND FAMILIES AND A HOME RUN FOR THE WHOLE COMMUNITY. PEOPLE, BUSINESSES AND ORGANIZATIONS WITH COMMUNITY-MINDED PROJECTS SUCH AS THE OLD GYM CAN BE CONSIDERED FOR FUNDING BY APPLYING TO OUR WEBSITE, THE MCD BOARD OF DIRECTORS REVIEWS EACH PROPOSAL, SELECTING PROJECTS THAT REFLECT THE GOALS AND DESIRES OF OUR CITIZENS AND ENSURING THAT FUNDS ARE USED WISELY.
AND FINALLY, THE CITY OF MIDLOTHIAN IS COMMITTED TO PROJECTS THAT PROMOTE ACTIVE,
[2026-069 Consider and act upon a resolution authorizing an expenditure in the amount of $500,000.00 by the Midlothian Community Development Corporation (MCDC) to the City of Midlothian for the costs associated with the Midlothian Fire Administration building renovation. ]
HEALTHY LIVING AND HELP BUILD A STRONG LOCAL ECONOMY. >> SO I LOVE WATCHING THAT LITTLE GIRL ON THE SPLASH PAD, SHE IS LIVERING HER BEST LIFE AND THAT IS MIDLOTHIAN THAT.
IS QUALITY OF LIFE. WE'RE EXCITED TO CONTINUE TO REINVEST LOCAL SALES TAX REVENUE INTO PROJECTS THAT HELP MIDLOTHIAN GROW AS A THRIVING-CONNECTED AND GLADDER-LOOKING COMMUNITY. THE MIDLOTHIAN DEVELOPMENT BOARD AND STAFF REMAIN DEEPLY COMMITTED TO MAKING LIFE BETTER FOR OUR RESIDENTS TODAY AND FOR MANY YEARS AHEAD.
>> THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU.
>> DON'T GO FAR, THOUGH. YOU'RE ON THE NEXT ONE. >> I'M READY TO GET THOSE BIG
NUMBERS OUT. >> WE ARE GOING TO PUT THAT TO WORK NOW.
ITEM 2026, 69 CONSIDERING ACT UPON RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING EXPENDITURE IN THE AMOUNT OF $500,000 BY THE MIDLOTHIAN COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION TO THE CITY OF MIDLOTHIAN FOR THE COSTS ASSOCIATED WITH MIDLOTHIAN FIRE ADMINISTRATION BUILDING
RENOVATION. >> SO WE'RE HONORED TO STAND BESIDE THE CITY ON THIS PROJECT BECAUSE THAT BUILDING IS ONE OF THE OLDEST BUILDINGS IN TOWN. IT WAS BUILT IN 1924 BY WW MAJOR AND WITH THE REMODEL IT WILL BE ABLE TO HOUSE MANY CULTURAL AND COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT TYPE ENTITIES AND SO WE'RE REALLY EXCITED TO BE ABLE TO OFFER THIS FUNDING.
WE'RE ASKING APPROVAL OF THAT EXPENDITURE TONIGHT. >> COUNCIL, IS ANY QUESTIONS?
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AND/OR MOTION. >> I WOULD ONLY MENTION I'M EXCITED ABOUT THIS.
IT'S WELL NEEDED. IT WILL, OF COURSE, HOUSE THE BOARD AN ALSO THE MUSEUM BELOW AND A WELCOMING CENTER. AND IT WILL SIT AT THE CENTER OF OUR CITY, TAKING CARE OF WHAT ONCE WAS AS SO MANY OF US REMEMBER. THANK Y'ALL FOR DOING THAT.
[2026-070 Consider and act upon authorizing the City Manager to enter into an agreement with BerryDunn for an ERP system assessment and development services at a cost of $98,500 plus a 10% contingency of $9,850 for a total not to exceed $108,350. ]
OF COURSE, I CAN ONLY ASSUME THAT THESE DOLLARS THAT ARE BEING PRESENTED TONIGHT FOR APPROVAL THAT IS THE HOPE IS THAT'S ABOVE AND BEYOND SOMEWHAT WHAT WE MIGHT NEED BUT THAT THEY'LL BE ENOUGH THERE FOR APPROVAL TO HAND WHAT WILL WE NEED TO GET DONE.THERE'S A LOT OF WORK THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE ON THAT BUILDING BUT THANK YOU FOR BRINGING -- THANK YOUR BOARD FOR BRINGING THAT TOO. I'M PROUD OF THIS ONE.
I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE WOULD APPROVE THIS AS PRESENTED AND REQUESTED.
>> SECOND. >> I'VE GOT A MOTION AND A SECOND BY COUNCILMAN MOORMAN.
PLEASE VOTE. ITEM PASSES 6 TO 0. >> THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU GUYS. OPENING ITEM 2026-70 CONSIDER AND ACT UPON THUNDERSTORMING THE CITY MANAGER TO ENTER INTO AN AGREEMENT WITH BERRY DUNN FOR AN ERP SYSTEM ASSESSMENT AND DEVELOPMENT SERVICES AT A COST OF 98,050 PLUS 10% CONTINGENCY OF 9,850 FOR A TOTAL NOT TO
EXCEED $108,350. >> GOOD EVENING MAYOR PRO TEMPORE AND TOWN, HERE TO PROCEED WITH CONTRACT BERRY D DUNN, REVIEWING PROCESSES INTERNAL AS WELL AS THE PROCESSES THAT WE USE TO DEAL WITH OR WORK WITH CITIZENS, TRYING TO GET A SYSTEM THAT'S COMPREHENSIVE AND CAN HELP US MEET THE NEEDS AS WE GROW, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS
RELATED TO THIS? >> COUNCIL, ANY QUESTIONS? LOTS OF QUESTIONS.
>> NO, I WAS JUST GOING TO ASK, SO THE GOAL OF HIRING THIS CONSULTANT GROUP IS THAT WE FEED THEM WANTS AND NEEDS THAT THE CITY HAS TO BEST SUPPORT THE RESIDENTS AND I'M ASSUMING UTILITY BILLING, LIKE THIS IS OVERARCKING SOFTWARE THAT RUNS OUR COMMUNITY AND THEY MAY TAKE WANTS AND NEEDS AND GO REVIEW ALL OF THE OFFER NEGOTIATION THE MARKETPLACE AND HELP US IDENTIFY
THE BEST ASSIGNMENT? >> YEAH, THAT'S A REALLY GOOD ASSESSMENT -- SYNOPSIS OF IT.
SO THE GOAL WOULD BE TO GET ASSISTANCE TO HELP US UNDERSTAND HOW WE OPERATE, HOW WE NEED TO OPERATE AND WAYS THAT WE CAN IMPROVE THOSE OPERATIONS, RIGHT, SO LOOKING AT BOTH OUR PROCESSES, HOW ARE WE WORKING TOGETHER AND HOW OTHER CITIES ARE WORKING AND HOW THEY ARE DOING THAT BRINGING EXPERTISE FROM EXPERIENCES OUTSIDE OF THE CITY OF M MIDLOTHIAN TO GIVE US
PERSPECTIVE THAT WE DON'T ALWAYS GET TO LEVERAGE. >> SOFTWARE HAS EXPIRATION ON IT EVEN AS IT'S UPGRADED AND PATCHED AND VERSION RELEASE, ARE THEY LOOKING AT WHERE OUR PROJECTED SIZE IS FIVE YEARS, TEN YEARS DOWN THE ROAD AND MAYBE TRYING TO -- I WANT TO MAKE SURE YOU'RE NOT SCOPING ON THE NEEDS OF TODAY AND THE NEEDS THAT WILL OCCUR DURING THE TYPICAL LIFE CYCLE OF AN ENTERPRISE LEVEL SOFTWARE LIKE THIS?
>> DEFINITELY NOT, WE ARE NOT JUST LOOKING AT WHERE WE ARE TODAY, WE ARE LOOKING FORWARD 5, 10 YEARS MAKING SURE THAT WE ARE SETTING THINGS UP IN A WAY THAT AS WE GROW FURTHER OUR SOFTWARE THAT WE ARE UTILIZING CAN HANDLE THAT, THAT'S A LOT OF THE CHALLENGE THAT WE HAVE NOW IS WE'VE HAD INSTANCES WHERE IMPLEMENTED SOFTWARE IN ORDER TO IMMEDIATELY OUTGROWING THE SOFTWARE BECAUSE WE ARE GROWING SO QUICKLY, SO DEFINITELY A COMPONENT OF THE CONVERSATION IS LOOKING BEYOND TODAY AND LOOKING FORWARD WHERE WE ARE 85,000 OR --
>> THANK YOU, SIR. >> I TOO WANTED TO ASK ABOUT SCOPE BUT DIFFERENT LIFE IN DIRECTION AND FORWARD REACH, BUT ACROSS -- ACROSS ALL OF THE DEPARTMENTS AND THAT SORT OF THING, DO YOU ANTICIPATE THAT AND TAKING A LOOK AT ALL OF THIS THAT, I MEAN, IT COULD BE ENORMOUS, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE TALKING, YOU KNOW, ACROSS 8, 10 DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS OR DIFFERENT -- ACROSS THE BOARD. THIS S THIS ALL ENCOMPASSING WITH ALL OF THAT, I CAN IMAGINE, FIRE, POLICE, ALL OF THAT, THAT'S PRO PRO PROBABLY SOMEWHAT SEPARATE BUT IT'S WORKING THE
NUTS AND BOLTS OF ALL OF THIS? >> IT'S PURPOSE TO DEFINE SCOPE AND AS WE LOOK AT THINGS, WE CAN
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MODIFY THIS AND THIS, YOU GET THAT SCOPE CREEK AND GETS WIDE WHERE IT BECOMES UNATTAINABLE.A MAJOR GOAL IS SETTING WHAT ARE OUR MAJOR PRIORITIES AREAS WE ARE GOING TO BENEFIT MOST AND DEFINING THAT SCOPE AND THIS IS WHERE WE WANT TO FOCUS ON FLOW. I FULLY ANTICIPATE THIS SOFTWARE WILL IMPACT EVERY DEPARTMENT IN THE CITY BUT IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT WE ARE GOING TO EVERY DEPARTMENT LOOKING AT EVERY ONE OF THEIR PROCESSES. WE ARE PRIMARILY LOOKING AT INTERNAL SERVICES, HR, FINANCE AS WELL AS LIKE UB PLANNING, BUILDING INSPECTIONS BECAUSE THOSE DEPARTMENTS FEED INTO A TRADITIONAL ERP SYSTEM BUT WE WE ARE ALSO LOOKING AT PARKS AND HOW PEOPLE RENT FACILITIES, IT CAN TOUCH ON THE CONFERENCE CENTER AND ROW PEOPLE RENT THOSE FACILITIES TO TRY AND BRING THAT UNDER A SINGLE UMBRELLA RATHER THAN TWO DIFFERENT PIECES OF SOFTWARE RIGHT NOW WHERE PEOPLE HAVE TO GO TO TWO DIFFERENT PLACES AND I SHOULD GO TO ONE
SPOT AND RENT IT THERE, RIGHT? >> SO FOLLOW-UP TO THAT IS COMING BACK IT COULD BE -- THAT GOING TO BE LOOKING AT SOME OF THOSE SOFTWARE COMPONENTS COULD BE AND MAYBE COST ESTIMATES
WITHOUT, OBVIOUSLY THAT SORT OF THING -- >> YEAH.
>> LINE IT OUT, BUT -- BUT HAVING SOME SENSE OF THAT MAYBE HAVING A BIG PICTURE, SEEING THE FLOOR IS NOT JUST THE TREES, YOU'RE GOING TO BE LOOKING AT ALL OF THIS STUDYING, ANALYZING ALL OF THE TREES AND COMING BACK AND DOING PHASING BECAUSE OF COST FACTORS, WE CAN'T PUT IT ALL IN ONE BUDGET, IS THAT GOING TO BE INCLUDED IN THIS PARTICULAR COST?
>> THIS GETS US TO TWO PHASES AND THE SECOND PHASE NOT ONLY IDENTIFYING SCOPE AND NEEDS AND WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO DO BUT GETS US RIGHT TO THE POINT WHERE WE SET UP AN ERP, HEY, WE HAVE 3, 4 DIFFERENT OF SOFTWARE THAT WE NEED TO IMPLEMENT AND INTEGRATE TOGETHER TO CREATE A COMPREHENSIVE ERP SYSTEM. BUT THEN IT'S ALSO -- THAT'S ANOTHER COMPONENT IS LOOKING AT HOW DO WE PHASE THIS IN, DO WE JUST -- DO TRAINING, LEARN TO USE PIECE OF SOFTWARE THAT WE ALREADY BETTER, IMPROVER IT, RENOVATE IT, THAT SORT OF THING OR DO WE NEED TO GO OUT AND GET A PIECE AND HOW MUCH IS EACH ONE OF THOSE PIECES. WHEN WE COME OUT OF PHASE TWO
[2026-071 Consider and act upon authorizing the City Manager to enter into a contract with Whirlix Design Inc., for construction of a new playground and surfacing at Hawkins Spring Park at a cost of $377,275. ]
WHAT SCOPE -- >> WHAT INTEGRATES? >> AS WE'VE GROWN A LOT OF SILOS HAVE DEVELOPED. WE ARE TRYING TO BRING THAT ALL TOGETHER AND HOW WE CAN INTEGRATE THE SYSTEMS, REDUCE DUPLICATION OF WORK, DOUBLE ENTRY, THAT SORT OF THING AND
INTEGRATE THESE TOGETHER. >> FULLY OTHER QUESTIONS, COUNCIL AND/OR MOTION? COUNCIL BY COUNCILMAN WEAVER. SECOND, I DON'T KNOW WHO. SECOND BY COUNCILWOMAN HAMMONDS.
PLEASE VOTE. THAT WAS CLOSE, ITEM PASSES 6 TO 0.
>> THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. >> NOW OPENING ITEM 202-2671 CONSIDERING ACT UPON AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO ENTER INTO AN AGREEMENT WITH WHRILIX DESIGN INC FOR CONSTRUCTION OF NEW PLAYGROUND AND SURFACING AT HAWKINS SPRING PARK AT A COST OF $377,275. HEATHER. THANK YOU.
>> GOOD EVENING MAYOR PRO TEMPORE AND COUNCIL. I DON'T USUALLY HAND OUT PAPERS BUT I WILL JUST START OFF ON THERE PROJECT, THIS IS REPLACING THE PLAYGROUND AT HAWKINS SPRINGS PARK. WE'RE REALLY WORKING ON LOOKING AT EACH OF OUR PARKS TO UPDATE THOSE CURRENT PARKS AND PLAY GROUNDS ARE A BIG ONE THAT HAVE NOT BEEN TOUCHED IN OH QUITE SOME TIME. SO ON THIS ONE, YOU'LL SEE THESE NUMBERS ARE DIFFERENT FROM WHAT IS IN YOUR PACKET BECAUSE WHEN WE SENT OUT THE LEGAL AGREEMENT TO THE PLAYGROUND COMPANY THEY SAW THAT THE P&P BONDS WERE EXPECTED AND THEY HAD NOT WORKED THOSE INTO THEIR PRICE SO YOU'LL SEE FOSEE IN RED ON THIS THAT TY ADDED ANOTHER $6,000 IN THERE, 6659.
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THIS PROJECT, YOU'LL ALSO SEE THEY HAVE DATE OF 116126. THEY JUST UPDATED THE ORIGINAL BY ADDING THE READ NUMBER ON THERE. THE PROJECT WAS BUDGETED IN THE APPROVED IN THE BUDGET PROCESS FOR 375,000. LY TELL YOU ALL OF OUR PROJECTS ARE COMING IN INCREDIBLY HIGH. THE PLACE SERVICE HAS GONE THROUGH THE ROOF.SO JUST TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA, THIS IS THAT SMALL PLAYGROUND AT HAWKINS.
THE PARKS DEPARTMENT IS REMOVING -- WE ARE GOING TO REMOVE THE CURRENT PLAYGROUND BECAUSE IT CAME IN AT $433,000 FOR A TURNKEY AND WE HAD 375,000. TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA, THAT PLAYGROUND THAT WAS BUILT IN COMMUNITY PARK WAS A LITTLE OVER 800,000 AND YOU SEE THE SIZE DIFFERENCE AND WHAT THIS IS GOING TO BE IS NOT A PRODUCT NEARLY THAT GRAND.
WE ARE ALSO KEEPING THE CURRENT SHADE STRUCTURE BECAUSE IT IS IN VERY GOOD CONDITION SO WE'RE BUILDING UNDERNEATH THAT SHADE STRUCTURE TO SAVE THAT FUNDING. BUT I JUST WANTED TO LET Y'ALL KNOW WHERE WE CAME OUT. SO WITH THE BUDGETED 375,000, WE WERE ADDING ON YOUR AGENDA ITEM 2,002,000 AND P&P BOND ADDING 6,659 AND SO WE ARE ADDING THAT TOTAL OF $8,934 AND TAKING THAT OUT OF THE PARKS MAINTENANCE LINE 753 IN OUR BUDGET TO GO AHEAD AND GET THAT PROJECT DONE.
AND WITH THAT, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS Y'ALL HAVE? >> COUNCIL, IS THERE ANY
QUESTIONS? COUNCILMAN MOORMAN. >> JUST A COMMENT AND QUESTION.
I THINK THIS IS EXCELLENT. I THINK ONE OF THE BEST THINGS WE CAN DO TO OUR COMMUNITY IS KEEPING OUR EXISTING FACILITIES UPDATED. I KNOW WE HAVE A LOT OF CONVERSATIONS AROUND WE NEED MORE NEW PARKS, WE NEED MORE NEW FACILITIES AND THAT'S WHAT A LOT OF THE DISCUSSION CENTERS AROUND A LOT OF TIMES BUT I THINK ONE OF THE MOST COST EFFECTIVE THINGS WE CAN DO FOR THE COMMUNITY IS IMPROVE AND MAINTENANCE PROPERLY OUR EXISTING PARKS, SO I'M REALLY EXCITED ABOUT THIS PROJECT. JUST A LITTLE QUESTION, IS PULLING THAT EXCESS FUNDS OUT OF MAINTENANCE, DOES THAT TAKEAWAY FROM MAINTENANCE OF OTHER FACILITIES WHERE IT MAY BE MORE THAN BENEFICIAL TO YOUR MAINTENANCE PLAN TO PULL THAT OUT OF LIKE UNALLOCATED FUND BALANCE OR IS THAT ALL KIND OF ACCOUNTED FOR AS FAR AS THE
MAINTENANCE AT OTHER FACILITIES? >> ON ANYTHING WE DO, I MEAN, IT'S -- IT'S ONE POT IN THAT MAINTENANCE SO THAT GOES TO EVERYTHING EXCEPT FOR SPORTS PARK BECAUSE IT'S IN ITS OWN BUDGET. SO WE JUST HAVE TO LOOK AS WE MOVE FORWARD ON DIFFERENT MAINTENANCE NEEDS THAT WE MAY LESSEN ONE THING OR REDUCE ANYTHING THAT MIGHT BE LIKE WE WON'T LESSEN SAFETY OR SOMETHING THAT IS GOING TO BE ESTHETIC RIGHT NOW, WE MIGHT DEPENDING ON WHAT IT IS, WHEN WE GET TO THE END OF THE YEAR, WE MAY HAVE TO PUSH IT TO THE NEXT BUT IT
WOULDN'T BE ANY -- ANYTHING OF OUR, YOU KNOW, BIG PROJECTS. >> SO MY -- MY ONLY SUGGESTION WOULD BE WE TAKE THE SLIGHT EXCESS AND RATHER THAN PULLING IT OUT OF MAINTENANCE ON PARKS,
WE TAKE IT FROM JUST THE UNALLOCATED FUND. >> WE CAN -- IF Y'ALL PREFER, WE CAN TAKE IT OUT OF THE CONTINGENCY FUND THAT WE HAVE. I MEAN, EITHER WAY -- WE CAN WAIT UNTIL THE END AND SEE IF THERE'S SOME MAINTENANCE ITEM THAT'S LAGGING THAT WE NEED TO BUT FOR THAT SMALL OF AN AMENDMENT, WE -- WE DON'T NEED TO DO A BUDGET?
>> OKAY. >> BASICALLY WHAT I'M SAYING. >> OKAY, THANK YOU.
>> COUNCILMAN ROGERS. >> I DID WANT TO THANK YOU -- I DON'T THINK THE PUBLIC WAS ABLE TO SEE WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT ON THE SCREEN, AND I UNDERSTAND. BUT I'M THANKING YOU AND I THINK THEY WOULD WANT TO LOOK AT THIS I'M ASSUMING THIS IS PUBLIC INFORMATION, I'M GUESSING.
>> YES, SIR. >> THIS -- THIS REALLY HELP ANSWER 99% OF MY QUESTIONS.
I'VE BEEN CONTACTED BY SEVERAL FOLKS THIS WEEK AND THEY WOULD SAY THEY'RE GOING TO SPEND $370,000 BUT 125,000 OF THIS MONEY IS THE EQUIPMENT THE REST IS IN DRAINAGE, FREIGHT, TERRA
OUT, SURFACING AND DRAINAGE IS OVER 200 GRAND. >> YES, SIR.
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>> SO THIS, YOU KNOW, AND I DO KIND OF UNDERSTAND. I KNOW WAYNE DOES TOO.
WE HAD SOME CHURCH PLAYGROUND EQUIPMENT INSTALLED AT THE CHURCH AND I WAS PRETTY BLOWN AWAY AT WHAT GOOD PLAYGROUND EQUIPMENT COST. IT WAS LIKE OVER 10 GRAND I'M
THINKING FOR WHAT THEY PUT IN AND IT WAS VERY SIMPLE, SO -- >> YES.
>> SO -- I'M ASSUMING WITHIN A PROCESS LIKE THIS WE'VE OBVIOUSLY TAKEN ON SOME BIDS, SO THIS IS A BID PROCESS AND I DON'T -- IT IS HARD TO FATHOM SPENDING THAT MUCH ON PLAYGROUND
AND I THINK YOU ARE CORRECT. >> I THINK THIS WILL BE FREEZE AND MAY GO BACK DOWN LATER BUT
-- >> HOPEFULLY. I'M HOPING IT WILL.
THE PLACE, WHERE WE HAVE MULCH LOOKING SUBSTANCE, THIS IS THE RUBBER EYES FLOORING LIKE AT COMMUNITY PARK SO IT MAKES IT AN INCLUSIVE PLAYGROUND. SO ANYBODY WITH SPECIAL NEEDS, ANYTHING WE'VE GOT GOING ON OUT THERE IT JUST MAKES IT A SURFACE FOR AN ALL-INCLUSIVE PLAYGROUND AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO US TO MAKE SURE EVERYONE IN OUR COMMUNITY
HAS THE SAME OPPORTUNITY. >> COUNCILMAN WEAVER. >> WHEN WAS IF LAST TIME -- DID
WE INTRO SPRUCED THAT UP? >> I BELIEVE THE PLAYGROUND IS FROM 1994.
>> I CAN GUARANTY IT'S '95. THAT'S WHEN I WAS BORN. >> WE WERE LOOKING AND WE WERE
FINDING DATES BETWEEN '94 AND '96. >> SO WE GOT 30 YEARS OUT OF THAT WHICH IS -- THAT'S PRETTY AWESOME. WHAT IS THE EXPECTED EXPECTANCY
OF WHAT WE ARE PUTTING IN TODAY? >> IT WOULD BE ABOUT THE SAME. THE SAME COMPANY THAT BUILT THAT ONE. IT'S LSI, SO WHIRLIX HAS BROUGHT LANDSCAPE STRUCTURES SO IT IS THE SAME PLAYGROUND, SAME MANUFACTURER THAT BUILT THAT FIRST ONE.
>> I DEFINITELY AUNDERSTAND WHERE COUNCILMAN MOORMAN'S IS COMING FROM.
LET'S WAIT AND SEE WHERE WE ARE AT THE END OF THE YEAR AND IF THERE'S EXTRA NEEDS AND REALLOCATE AT THAT POINT BUT TAKING IT FROM THE PARKS EXISTING BUDGETED FUND FOR THE ADDITIONAL ALMOST 9 GRAND IS THE APPROPRIATE THING TO DO TODAY. BUT I DEFINITELY RESPECT WHERE
YOU'RE COMING FROM, COUNCILMAN. >> ABSOLUTELY. CHRIS KNOWS I WILL ASK.
>> I JUST HAVE TWO QUESTIONS. ONE IT SAYS THAT THIS BID IS GOOD FOR 30 DAYS AND DATED 1-16.
>> THAT'S WHAT I WAS SAYING EARLIER. LY HAVE THEM CHANGE THAT.
THEY UPDATED THIS AND SENT IT TO ME TODAY AND DID NOT CHANGE THE DATE.
THEY JUST ADDED THE RED SO AFTER I PRINTED IT I SAW THEY HAVE THAT SO I WILL GET WITH KENNY
AND CHANGE THE DATE AND SEND IT BACK OVER BEFORE IT'S SIGNED. >> OKAY.
THIS IS MORE OF A QUESTION OF MAYBE I'M JUST LIVING IN THE PAST BUT I NEVER QUITE UNDERSTOOD WHY LIKE ON INSTALLATION, I UNDERSTAND LIKE THE FOREM PLACE, ACTUALLY
[2026-072 Consider and discuss a request from Midlothian Community Development Corporation (MCDC) to finance on their behalf a Certificate of Obligation (CO) in the amount of $10,000,000 to make improvements to Heritage Park and other improvements and direct staff as necessary. The CO’s annual payment would be paid by MCDC sales tax through an interlocal agreement guaranteeing payment.]
BUILDING THE PARK EQUIPMENT, WHY CAN'T OUR STAFF NOT JUST BUILD IT AND SAVE 40 GRAND?>> NOT COVERED UNDER WARRANTY. NOW THEY HAVE IT WHERE SOME OF THE CONTRACTORS, THEY ARE NOT
ABLE TO DO IT. IT HAS TO BE THE COMPANY. >> THE MANUFACTURER.
>> WERE ABLE TO PULL OUT THE OLD BUT WERE NOT ABLE TO PUT IN THE NEW.
>> MAKES SENSE. COUNCIL, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS AND/OR A MOTION?
>> I HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCIL MEMBER HAMMNODS. >> SECOND.
>> MOTION AND A SECOND. PLEASE VOTE. PASSES 6 TO 0.
>> THANK Y'ALL VERY MUCH. NOW OPENING ITEM 202672 CONSIDER AND ACT UPON REQUEST FOR MIDLOTHIAN COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT COULD YOU REPEAT THE QUESTION TO FINANCE ON THEIR BEHALF A CERTIFICATE OF OBLIGATION IN THE AMOUNT OF $10 MILLION TO MAKE IMPROVEMENTS TO HER DAMAGE PARK AND OTHER IMPROVEMENTS AND DIRECT STAFF AS NECESSARY. THE CO'S ANNUAL PAYMENT WOULD BE PAID BY M CDC THROUGH SALES TAX THROUGH INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT GUARANTYING PAYMENT.
>> WELL, GOOD EVENING MAYOR PRO TEMPORE AND COUNCIL. THIS ITEM WAS CONSIDERED AT THE FEBRUARY 26TH M CDC MEETING AS THIS DAY THEY HAVE MADE A COMMITMENT TO CONTRIBUTE
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$10 MILLION TO THE HERITAGE PLAZA, I THINK IT'S WHAT IT'S CALLED NOW, AND SO THEY DISCUSSED A NUMBER OF WAYS THAT THEY COULD PROVIDE THAT FUNDING. THEY LOOKED AT ISSUING BONDS, WHETHER IT WAS CERTIFICATE OF OBLIGATION THAT THE CITY COUNCIL WOULD -- THE CITY WOULD ACTUALLY ISSUE AND THERE WOULD BE AN INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT BETWEEN M CDC AND THE CITY THAT WOULD GUARANTY THAT THEY WOULD PAY THESE BONDS THROUGH SALES TAX. THEN THEY LOOKED AT AN ACTUAL SALES TAX BOND WHICH IS WHAT WE'VE DONE BEFORE AND THAT WOULD BE ISSUED BY THE M CDC AND THEY WOULD PAY THAT DIRECTLY. WE'VE DONE BOTH OF THESE IN THE PAST.THEY LOOKED AT POSSIBLY PAYING WITH CASH, WHETHER IT'S A LUMP SUM OR TIERED PAYOUT.
THEY LOOKED AT A HYBRID OF THE TWO. THE BOARD RECOMMENDED THAT -- IS REQUESTING THAT YOU CONSIDER THE CO OPTION. IT CAME DOWN TO LITERALLY A SAVINGS OF DOLLARS FOR THAT. SOMETHING TO CONSIDER AND I HAVE MARK AND JACK BOTH HERE TO SUPPLEMENT AND TALK ABOUT THE DIFFERENCES BUT TO LET YOU FLOW THE INTEREST RATE IS HIGHER FOR REV FLEW BOND OR SALES TAX BOND BECAUSE THE RATING IS LOWER FOR THAT SO YOUR TAX -- OR YOUR INTEREST THAT YOU'RE CHARGED IS HIGHER. THE CITY AS WE DISCUSSED MANY TIMES HAS A DOUBLE A PLUS RATING WHICH MEANS WE HAVE A VERY STRONG BOND RATING, WE HAVE STRONG FINANCIALS AND IT'S THE SECOND BEST RATING YOU CAN GET. BECAUSE THAT'S AD VALOREM TAX BASE, IT'S MUCH MORE SECURE THAN BONDS THAT ARE/ED WITH SALES TAX SUPPORTING THEM.
SO THAT GIVES YOU THAT DIFFERENCE IN THE INTEREST. THERE'S THE REQUIREMENT WITH THE CO OR CERTIFICATE OF OBLIGATION THAT YOU HAVE TO DO A PERIOD WHERE YOU ISSUE A NOTICE OF INTENT LIKE WE HAVE DONE IN THE PAST AND THEN YOU HAVE TO WAIT AT LEAST 46 DAYS BEFORE THAT COMES BACK FOR AN APPROVAL, FORMAL APPROVAL. THE SALES TAX BONDS DON'T HAVE THAT REQUIREMENT. SO WITH THAT, I WILL ASK MARK TO COME AND EXPLAIN A LITTLE BIT FURTHER AND BOTH OF US WILL BE AVAILABLE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS THAT YOU PLIGHT HAVE, BUT IT IS
PURELY A DISCUSSION ITEM AT THIS POINT. >> MY NAME IS MARK WITH SAMCO CAPITAL MARKETS. I HELP THE CITY WHEN THEY GO BORROW MONEY, WHETHER M CDC OR THE CITY. WE WERE AT THE MEETING A WEEK AGO WHERE THEY TALKED ABOUT THE POSSIBILITIES, THE DOLLAR AMOUNT, SAVINGS ESTIMATED IS $77,000 TO GO THROUGH THE CITY AND THAT'S BECAUSE THE CITY HAS THE DOUBLE A PLUS RATING, THE M CDC HAS AN A RATING, THAT COST DIFFERENTIAL IS A SAVINGS TO THE OVERALL TAXPAYERS OF THE CITY IF THEY GO THROUGH THE CITY.
THEIR THOUGHT WAS SAVE AS MUCH MONEY. ADDITIONALLY AND MDCD REVENUE BOND WOULD REQUIRE A RESERVE FUND, A RESERVE FUND IS AN AMOUNT EQUAL TO THE AVERAGE ANNUAL PRINCIPAL AND INTEREST SO APPROXIMATELY A MILLION THREE IS WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT.
THAT JUST SITS IN AN ACCOUNT AND CAN'T BE USED UNTIL ALL THOSE BONDS ARE PAID OFF.
THEY DIDN'T THINK THAT WAS AN EFFICIENT WAY OF USING THAT MONEY FOR THOSE TWO REASONS THEY THOUGHT THAT IF THE CITY WOULD BE WILLING, THAT THIS IS A MORE EFFICIENT WAY TO USE FUNDS OR TO BORROW MONEY. WITH THAT, I WILL ADDRESS ANY QUESTIONS OR --
>> COUNCIL, IS THERE ANY QUESTIONS? COUNCILMAN MOORMAN.
>> WE HAVE A SPEAKER. >> WE HAVE A SPEAKER, I APOLOGIZE.
>> LIZ. >> WE'VE SPENT A LOT OF MONEY TONIGHT AND I WOULD REALLY HOPE THAT WE WOULDN'T GO INTO MORE DEBT FOR A PARK. COULD WE PLEASE, I MEAN, M CDC
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BRINGS IF A LOT OF MONEY EVERY MONTH. CAN WE JUST DO IT THE OLD WILL HAVE FASHION WAY AND SAVE THE MONEY, SAVE UP THE MONEY AND GIVE THE CITY THE MONEY AFTER WE SAVED IT? THAT SEEMS LIKE THAT WOULD SAVE A WHOLE LOT MORE MONEY THAN WHAT WE WOULD HAVE TO PAY IN INTEREST. SO THAT'S WHAT I ASK OF THE CITY COUNCIL TO JUST BE PATIENT, DO IT WITH CASH, MAKE HERITAGE PARK THE PRIORITY FOR MCD AND THEN OTHER PROJECTS HAVE TO WAIT. JUST LIKE EVERYONE HERE WHO LIVES IN MIDLOTHIAN HAS TO HAVE A BUDGET AND THEY CAN ONLY DO WHAT THE MONEY THAT IS COMING IN WILL ALLOW THEM TO DO.SO THAT IS MY REQUEST. I AM SURE THERE ARE OTHER PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY THAT FEEL THE WAY I DO. THEY JUST FLOW W KNOW WHAT IT'SE FOR ME TO SPEAK OUT AND HAVE A DIFFERENT OPINION THAN OTHERS AND THEY DON'T WANT TO TALK TO YOU GUYS, THEY DON'T WANT TO BE PUBLIC BECAUSE IT'S NOT EASY. SO I JUST ASK THAT YOU REALLY THINK ABOUT THIS AND DO IT WITH
CASH AND NOT TAKE OUT ANY MORE DEBT, THANK YOU. >> MS. C EVERYTHI HEALY, CAN YOS
YOUR NAME AND WHETHER OR NOT YOU LIVE IN THE CITY LIMITS? >> LIZ HEALY.
>> I HAVE A QUESTION FOR ANNE, WHAT IS THE FUND BALANCE OF THE MCD RIGHT NOW?
>> WELL, AND WHAT I BROUGHT WITH ME WAS THE PACKET THAT WE HAD LAST TIME BUT I WILL TELL YOU THE FUND 62 IV 624 WHICH IS THE, IT HAS ABOUT 6-POINT -- 6 AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS.
>> BOND -- >> FUND BALANCE, YES. >> OKAY.
>> BECAUSE IF YOU'LL RECALL WHEN THE HOTEL SOLD, THE LOAN WAS PAID OFF AND THE BOARD DECIDED NOT TO USE THAT MONEY INITIALLY AND SO THEY HAVE THAT MONEY SITTING.
THEY DID NOT PAY OFF THE BOND THAT WAS RELATED TO IT. THEY KEPT THAT BECAUSE IT WAS DEEMED APPROPRIATE AT THE TIME. SO THEY'VE KEPT THAT FUND, MONEY IN THAT FUND.
>> THAT'S NOT THE OVERALL CASH -- >> NO, THAT IS THE BOND FUND.
>> RIGHT. >> THEN THEY'RE OPERATING FUND HAS ROUGHLY 10 MILLION.
>> OKAY. >> AND OF THAT 10 MILLION HOW MUCH IS RESTRICTED AND
ALLOCATED? >> THAT WOULD BE -- WELL, THERE WAS 923,000 AND THEN PARK ADD TODAY THAT SO IT'S PROBABLY 4, 4 AND A HALF MILLION THAT'S RESTRICTED.
>> 6 MILLION ROUGHLY. >> YES. >> OF UNALLOCATED FUND BALANCE.
AND WHAT IS THE MONTHLY REVENUE OF THE MCD? >> WELL, IT DOES VARY --
>> ON AVERAGE. >> ON SALES TAX, BUT ROUGHLY 700,000-DOLLAR.
>> OKAY. >> IN EXCESS OF THAT. >> THANK YOU SO MUCH.
AND WHAT IS THE -- I KNOW WE GET THE REPORT, BUT WHAT IS THE EARNING ON THE FUND BALANCE THAT WE HOLD IN THERE? WHAT IS THE INTEREST THAT WE GET ON OUR DEPOSITS?
>> THE INTEREST IS ROUGHLY LITTLE LESS THAN $50,000 A MONTH.
>> BUT WHAT IS THAT PERCENTAGE RATE? ALREADY O FOR PERCENTAGE RATE, I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY BECAUSE IT'S A COMBINATION OF INVESTMENTS. MOST OF IT IS IN THE POOL FUNDS
AND SO IT'S SOMEWHERE LESS THAN 4% NOW. >> OKAY.
AND DO WE KNOW WHAT THE PROJECTED RATE WOULD BE ON A REVENUE BOND VERSUS A CO?
>> 4 -- 4.15. >> 4A CITY CO IF WE GO TEN YEARS IT WOULD BE PROBABLY 3 AND A HALF, TO 375 AND IF WE DO REVENUE BONDS ABOUT 15 BASIS POINTS HIGHER THAN THAT.
>> OKAY. SO EITHER WAY WE'RE EARNING -- WHAT WE ARE EARNING AN WHAT WE
ARE PAYING IS ROUGHLY A WASH -- >> VERY CLOSE. >> BUT IN THIS SCENARIO THAT'S BEING FLOATED TONIGHT WE ARE GOING TO SECURE DEBT WITH AD VALOREM AND THREATEN HOPE
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THERE'S ENOUGH SALES TAX REVENUE TO MEET THAT ALLOCATION IN THE EVENT -- WHAT HAPPENS IN ARECESSION, SALES TAX REV FLEW DROPS BY 80%? >> WELL, IF IT WAS 80%, THEN
THAT WOULD BE A PROBLEM. >> SURE. >> THE WAY WE LOOKED AT IT WHEN WE WERE PUTTING THIS TOGETHER, WHAT WOULD THE RATING AGENCIES, INSURANCE, BOND, WHAT TYPE OF COVERAGE YOU HAVE AND THE REVENUE LESS THE SET EXPENSES VERSUS THE ALL THE DEBT SERVICE, YOU'RE COVERAGE IS THREE AND FOUR TIMES WHAT WOULD BE REQUIRED SO I'M LOOKING AT FROM THE CITY STANDPOINT, IS THAT A SECURE INVESTMENT AND SO IT'S -- IT IS A POLITICAL DECISION, I DON'T DOUBT THAT. BUT THAT'S FROM LOOKING AT DOLLAR SAVINGS AND IS THE CITY PROTECTED, CITY PROTECTED BECAUSE THERE'S STILL CASH RESERVES AND THE COVERAGE, THE AMOUNT OF NET AVAILABLE TO COVER ALL DEBT SERVICE IS MULTIPLE TIMES, A TYPICAL BOND REVENUE BOND WOULD BE ABOUT 1 AND A HALF TIMES AND YOU'RE THREE AND FOUR TIMES OVER THAT.
>> NO, I DEFINITELY RESPECT WHERE YOU'RE COMING FROM. THE CHALLENGE FOR ME IS I SEE A NET NEUTRAL FOR POSSIBLY AN INCREASE COST EFFECT TO BORROWING THE MONEY, SECURED BY THE FULL FAITH AND CREDIT BY THE CITY OF EMPLOYED LOATHIAN BEING OFFSET BY A VARIABLE REVENUE STREAM THAT'S TIED TO THE OVERALL ECONOMY OUTSIDE OF OUR CONTROL.
THAT'S REALLY THE DIFFICULTY I'M HAVING WHEN WE DO A, PLUS B, EQUALS C AND WHAT HAPPENS IF B GOES AWAY, NOW WE WILL HAVE C MY BEAUS B LEFT TO MAKE THE SHORTFALL FROM THE CITY SIDE.
SO I AM ALSO AN ADVOCATE OF LET'S PAY FOR IT OUT OF CASH, IF WE HAVE THE CASH, WE ARE BRINGING THE CASH IN, YOU KNOW, IF THE WORLD'S GREATEST PROJECT THAT THE B CORPORATION SHOWS UP THE DAY AFTER WE WRITE THE CHECK FOR THE CASH, FINANCE IT. BUT THE ARGUMENT WITH THE PARKS DEPARTMENT EVEN THOUGH IT WAS ONLY NINE GRAND, WE DON'T NEED IT RIGHT FLOW, IT'S NOT ALLOCATED FOR RIGHT NOW SO LET'S DEAL WITH THAT EVENTUALLITY IF IT COMES AROUND AND I100% DUE TO OBLIGATION OR FINANCING VEHICLE WHEN WE HAVE THE CASH AND REV FLEW TO DO IT OUT OF POCKET, WE
SHOULD JUST DO THAT AND NOT TAKE ON THE EXTRA RISK. >> SO I -- I HESITATE TO BRING THIS UP BUT I WILL, THE BOND FOR 2014 THAT WAS ISSUED FOR THE CONFERENCE CENTER, WELL, NOT THE CONFERENCE CENTER, IT WAS FOR THAT LOAN TO THE HOTEL, IT IS AT AN INTEREST RATE THAT IS ANYWHERE BETWEEN 4 AND 5% OF THE NEXT FEW YEARS UNTIL IT'S MATURITY.
MOST OF THOSE YEARS IT'S 5%. SO I WILL THROW OUT THERE THAT IF YOU PAY THAT OFF AND THEN YOU ISSUE THIS NEW DEBT, YOU WOULD BE SAVING MONEY, SO THAT'S JUST SOMETHING TO ADD TO THE MIX TO
THINK ABOUT AND I'LL LET CHRIS WEIGH IN ON THAT. >> AT THE LAST MEETING DID MCD STIPULATE THAT THAT'S WHAT THEY WANT TODAY DO IS PAY OFF THE DEBT?
>> WELL, WHAT THEY DID SUGGEST -- WE BROUGHT IT FORWARD AND THEY DID SAY THEY WOULD LIKE TO PAY THAT OFF. IF THEY DO THAT, THEN THAT BALANCE OF THAT DEBT SERVICE FUND WOULD BE DEPLETED ALMOST COMPLETELY. I TAKE THAT BACK, 2 AND A HALF MILLION AND I LOOK AT MARK TO MAKE SURE AM RIGHT. IT'S ABOUT 2 AND A HALF MILLION THAT WOULD COME DOWN FROM THAT FOR THE PAYOFF. SO THERE WOULD STILL BE -- IT WOULD BRING IT DOWN TO ABOUT FOUR.
>> YES. ALL RIGHT. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THERE'S A CLEAR PICTURE OF WHAT DOLLARS WE HAVE AND WHAT CAN POSSIBLY BE THE EMPLOYEES RESPONSIBLE THING
TO DO WITH THAT, SO -- >> COUNCIL, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COUNCIL MEMBER MOORMAN?
>> DO WE HAVE ETA ON THE ACTUAL SCOPE AND THE BID OR THE -- HOW MUCH THE PROJECT --
>> I BELIEVE IT'S COMING BEFORE COUNCIL ON APRIL, PROBABLY HAVE THE DATE WRONG, THE 14TH, THANK
YOU. >> SO ABOUT A MONTH OR SO? I THINK -- I APPRECIATE ALL OF
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THE DILIGENCE HERE ON THE SIDE OF OUR -- OUR PARTNERS HERE AND M CDC ON PUTTING TOGETHER ALL THE OPTIONS AND TRYING TO WEIGH WHAT'S MOST APPROPRIATE. I THINK THE DIFFICULT THING WE HAVE HERE IS WE'RE TRYING TO DECIDE HOW TO EITHER BORROW THE MONEY OR PAY THE CASH BUT WE DON'T HAVE A SCOPE OF THE PROJECT ON IDENTIFYING IF IT'S THE JUICE IS WORTH THE SQUEEZE AND I'M -- EXCUSE ME, I'VE HAD A NASTY COUGH. I'M A BIG SUPPORTER OF THERE PROJECT OF DOING SOMETHING GREAT AT HERITAGE PARK BUT I THINK IT'S KIND OF DIFFICULT FOR US TO GIVE DIRECTION ON CO OR OTHER BORROWING MEASURES OR CASH MEASURES LIKE WITHOUT HAVING THAT SCOPE AVAILABLE TO WEIGH THOSE DIFFERENT OPTIONS. I'M MORE ADVOCATE, I THINK WE SHOULD DEFINITELY MOVE THIS PROJECT FORWARD BUT I THINK IT WOULD BE EASIER ASSESS MEANT AT THE TIME OF REVIEWING THAT INFORMATION AND WANTS IN MY OPINION.>> II'M GOING TO MIX IT UP, GOIG TO COUNCILMAN SHUF. >> HOW LONG THE RATE IS GOOD FOR? WE DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH WE'RE GOING TO BE TALKING ABOUT YET UNTIL A MONTH OR TWO, I DON'T KNOW. WE ARE TALKING ABOUT RAISING THE
MONEY WE WILL NEED AT THE TIME OR -- >> THE RATES AREN'T GOOD YET.
WE WILL BID IT ON THE DAY OF THE SALES. THE STEPS, IF THIS IS WHAT THE COUNCIL WANTS TO DO, THE NOTICE OF INTENTION AND THAT WOULD COME OUT, CITY COUNCIL WILL TAKE ACTION ON MARCH 26TH ON THAT AND GETS PUBLISHED IN LOCAL PAPER NOTIFYING YOUR CITIZENS AND YOU WOULD NOT GET INTEREST RATES AND CONSIDER THE SALE UNTIL MAY 26TH.
SO ON MAY 26TH, WE WOULD COME IN IF IT'S THE DIRECTION OF THE COUNCIL AND SAY, HERE IS 10 MILLION-DOLLAR BID, THE BEST INTEREST RATE WAS BY VOKF AND IT IS AT 335 AND THEN IT'S DONE IF COUNCIL APPROVES IT. SO THAT'S -- THAT'S THE DAY WHEN YOU'LL ACTUALLY KNOW WHAT THE INTEREST RATE IS. NOW WHAT ARE WE -- EVERY DAY WE ARE IN THE MARKET SELLING BONDS.
SO I'M GIVING AN ESTIMATE AND GIVING AN ESTIMATE LIKELY ON THE HIGH SIDE IN ORDER TO COME IN -- I'D RATHER BE IN A POSITION SAYING IT'S GOING TO BE 350 TO 375 AND COME IN AT 350.
SO THE DAY YOU'LL GET INTEREST RATES WILL BE MAY 26TH AND THAT'S THE DAY IF THE COUNCIL MOVES FORWARD THAT YOU WOULD ACTUALLY BE BORROWING. EVERYTHING PRIOR TO THAT IS SET UP TO THAT BORROWING DATE AND THEN FUNDS WILL BE IN THE BANK JUNE 18TH.
>> IN THAT SCENARIO, IF WE ARE TALKING MAY 26TH AND WE PUT THIS OFF AND YOU WILL BE TALKING JUNR MONTH, WHATEVER. WE DON'T EVEN KNOW YET IF THAT'S COMING IN AND THE IDEAS OF THE COST BE MAYBE APRIL, MAYBE MAY. WE'RE NOT EVEN SURE ABOUT THAT BUT IN YOUR BEST, I'M NOT GOING TO HOLD YOU TO IT, BUT IN YOUR BEST EDUCATED GUESS, WOULD IT CLANG A WHOLE LOT FROM THE MAY TO THE JUNE TO THE JULY BASED UPON THE TRENDS THAT YOU SEE HAPPENING?
>> IT SHOULD NOT. NOW, WHAT IS SOMETHING THAT CAN HAPPEN?
>> YEAH. >> WHAT'S GOING ON IN THE MIDDLE EAST, THAT CHANGES THINGS.
SO MUNICIPAL BONDS FOLLOW THE UNITED STATES TREASURY BONDS. PRIOR TO THE MIDDLE EAST THE BOND WENT DOWN TO TEN-YEAR BOND WAS 395. UP TILL ABOUT TWO WEEKS AGO OR THAT WAS TWO WEEKS AGO IT WENT 430, 425 AND PULLED BACK DOWN TO 411. SO DEPENDING ON WHAT'S GOING ON IN THE MIDDLE EAST RIGHT NOW IS KIND OF WHAT INTEREST RATES ARE DOING MUCH LIKE OIL FROM 70 TO 120 AND I THINK TODAY IS ABOUT 80. SO THINGS CAN CHANGE.
IF I HAD A BET I WILL SAY WE ARE GOING TO BE STAYING IN THE FORESEEABLE FUTURE.
>> DEPENDS ON WHAT IS HAPPENING GLOBALLY. I'M KIND OF THE SAME OPINION, THE CREDIT CARD ALWAYS COMES DUE AND PAYMENT CASH AS BEST WE CAN AND NOT EVEN KNOWING HOW MUCH
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WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IT MAKES IT A LITTLE MORE DIFFICULT TO BE MAKING DECISION -- FOR ME, I DON'T WANT TO SPEAK FOR EVERYBODY BUT MAKING A DECISION ABOUT A CREDIT CARD VERSUS WHAT I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT IT'S GOING TO COST. I APPRECIATE THE BOARDS THAT HAVE MADE THEIR OFFERS IN SAYING, WE WANT TO SUPPORT THIS COMMUNITY EFFORT AT A CERTAIN FIGURE, I'M NOT SO SURE THAT RIGHT FLOW IS THE TIME TO DECIDE HOW WE'RE GOING TO DO THAT CERTAIN FIGURE AS FAR AS WHERE I'M COMING FROM BUT I APPRECIATE THE INFORMATION.>> I DO BELIEVE THAT SOME OF IT IS A TIMING THING BECAUSE WITH THIS 45-DAY NOTICE TRYING TO LOOK OUT THEIR WINDOW, WHEN WOULD YOU NEED THE MONEY AND TRYING TO GET IT STARTED, BUT THERE IS NOTHING TO SAY. IF WE GET TO GNP IN APRIL AND THREATEN WE SAY WE START IT, WE ARE JUST GOING OUT A WAY FROM THAT BID.
>> DEPENDING ON WHEN WE DO THE NOTICE OF INTENT THAT WOULD START THE 45-PLUS DAY WINDOW.
I THINK THAT'S ONE THING THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT. >> I JUST WANTED TO SAY THE BIDS ARE DUE ON APRIL THIRD AND WE ARE INTENDING TO TAKE THOSE TO COUNCIL ON APRIL 14TH, BUT BIDS ARE DUE, IT'S OUT, IT'S ADVERTISED, PEOPLE ARE WORKING ON IT NOW JUST SO Y'ALL KNOW
WHEN IT'S COMING IN. >> COUNCILWOMAN HAMM MONDS. ALREADY IF WE DID PUSH IT OFF TO EITHER THE 14TH OR THE SECOND MEETING IN APRIL, ARE WE DELAYING THE START OF THE
PROJECT? >> NOT NECESSARILY. WE DO HAVE TO HAVE FUNDS IN HAND, I MEAN, BEFORE WE GO SIGN A CONTRACT BUT IF WE HAVE CASH, WE HAVE THE FUNDS IN HAND AND WE CAN SIGN THE CONTRACT AND IF THE COUNCIL ENDED UP DOING WHETHER SALES TAX OR CO'S, YOU GET THE
MONEY BACK LATER. >> IT'S NOT A MATTER OF WHEN -- IT'S JUST THE VEHICLE --
>> JUST THE VEHICLE ON HOW WE ARE GOING -- >> THEY DEDICATED 2 MILLION.
>> IT'S NOT A QUESTION OR DEBATE ABOUT DOLLAR AMOUNTS, IT'S A QUESTION ABOUT VEHICLE.
COUNCILMAN ROGERS. >> I HAVE A QUICK QUESTION FOR FINANCE -- I THE GENTLEMAN HERE FIRST. I'M NO FINANCIAL WIZARD. PRESIDENT TRUMP IS VERY EXCITED ABOUT GETTING THE NEW FED CHAIR THAT HE PLUMMET THOSE RATES AS DEEP AND AS FAST AS THEY CAN AND
FROM I'VE WATCHED THE FED CHAIR SEEMS TO BE ON THAT BOAT. >> I THINK YOU'RE RIGHT ON THAT.
>> SIR? >> I THINK YOU'RE CORRECT ON THAT.
I THINK I AM. >> I'M NOT A SMART A MAN AS YOU ARE.
WITHIN SAYING THAT, I HAVE TO BELIEVE THAT SOMETIME IN THE NEAR FUTURE I WOULD ASSUME IF THE FED DROPS RATES IS AS CLOSE TO ZERO AS POSSIBLE AND FROM WHAT I'M ALSO SEEING THEY ARE GOING TO DO THIS IN A MOVE TO POSSIBLY RERAISE DEBT THROUGH INFLATIONARY MEASURES OR WOULD
THOSE RATES CHANGE AVAILABILITY OVER THE NEXT SIX MONTHS? >> THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION AND PRETTY DEEP TOO, SO GIVER ME A FEW SECONDS ON THAT. THE FED CONTROLS THE OVERNIGHT RATE LENDING RATE BETWEEN BANKS SO THEY ONLY CONTROL WHAT ONE BANK CAN BORROW FROM THE FED.
THEY'LL LOWER TO ZERO. I DON'T BELIEVE THEY'LL DO THAT. I THINK TRUMP WANTS IT, THE FUTURE FED CHAIR WILL. WELL, THAT ONLY CONTROLS THE OVERNIGHT RATE, EVERY OTHER BOND, ONE YEAR, 30 YEAR IS CONTROLLED BY THE MARKET. THAT'S THE TEN-YEAR BOND.
THE TEN WILL HAVE YEAR BOND IS WHAT'S GOING TO FLUCTUATE UP AN DOWN THAT WILL AFFECT MUNICIPAL BONDS AND WHAT YOU MIGHT GET INTO IS A STEEPER YIELD CURVE, EMPLOYERING THE FIRST YEAR BECAUSE IT FOLLOWS WHAT THE FED DOES IS LOWER BUT IF THAT'S INFLATIONARY IT PUSHES UP THE BAND END BECAUSE HOW DO YOU STOP INFLATION, YOU RAISE INTEREST RATES.
SO YOU FLOW, ECONOMICS WOULD SAY IF THE FED LOWERS AND THERE'S A HINT OF INFLATION, INTEREST RATES ARE GOING BECAUSE WE CAN ONLY BORROW FROM THE MARKET. THE FED IF I COULD BORROW OVER
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RIGHT WOULD BE LOWERING AND SHORTER BUT WE NEED, TWO, THREE, FOUR UP TO TEN YEARS OF BORROWING POWER. AND THAT PART IS SUBJECT TO THE MARKET'S INTERPRETATION TO WHAT IS GOING ON AND I THINK IF THE FED LOWERS IT TOO FAR IT WILL BE INFLATIONARY PUSHING THE LONGBOND HIGHER. >> OKAY. >> BUT I DO THINK YOU'RE RIGHT.
TRUMP IS PUSHING FOR LOWER RATES AND I THINK THE FED, PROPOSED, NOMINATED FED CHAIRMAN WILL GO
ALONG WITH THAT. >> YEAH, AND THERE'S A NUMBER OF OTHER IMPACTING FORCES WE WON'T GET INTO IN DISCUSSION TONIGHT INCLUDING THE AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT THEY'RE FIXING TO FLOOD INTO THE ECONOMIC SYSTEM, LITTLE OVER $4 TRILLION IN THREE WAYS THAT YEAR THAT CAN HAVE A LOT OF AFFECTS BUT APPRECIATE YOU ANSWERING THAT. I JUST WANT TO STATE, I WANT TO THANK M CDC, I THINK THEY'VE DONE EVERYTHING THAT HAS BEEN ASKED FOR THEM IN TRYING TO COME WITH A PACKAGE THAT WILL HELP GET THIS PART GOING. WE ALSO KNOW THAT THERE IS A SECONDARY HALF OF WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT POSSIBLY. WELL, WE'VE ALREADY VOTED ON THAT. THERE'S ANOTHER 8 MILLION ON TOP OF THIS TO COME TO A GRAND TOTAL OF $18 MILLION. I'M ALL IN ON THE PARK. I THINK THE PARK IS A GREAT IDEA. I THINK IT WILL BE GOOD FOR DESTINATION TRAFFIC.
I THINK IT WILL BE GOOD FOR DOWNTOWN BUSINESSES. DO I AM A BELIEVER IN PHASE --INS AND NOT SPENDING $18 MILLION AT ONE TIME. I WILL ALSO SAY THAT A&B TOGETHER HAVE MILLION DOLLARS COMING AND BOTH HAVE A LOW THRESHOLD AND IN SAYING ALL OF THIS, I FEEL THAT THE DOLLARS ARE THERE TO DO AT LEAST SOMEWHAT OF MS. HEALY LAD MENTIONED EARLIER, ONE OF OUR FOLKS THAT WERE MENTIONING IDEAS, PROBABLY PHASE THIS IN IN SEVERAL WAVES. I'M GOING GIVE WIDE RANGE OF 3 TO 5, $8 MILLION AND SUCCESSFULLY MOVE IN IN 3 TO 5 YEARS. I FEEL WE ARE BUILDING A PARK FOR A CITY OF 80 TO A RUN THOUSAND. I THINK WE ARE THERE YET.
I LOOK AT THE COMMUNITY PARK THAT NEEDS BATTING CAGES FINISHED.
I LOOK AT SOCCER FIELDS THAT NEED TO BE COMPLETED. I LOOK AT JC PARK THAT NEEDS TO BE BRUNG UP TO DATE TO MEET THE OTHER BASEBALL FIELDS. I COULD GO ON.
I SIGH THAT WE HAVE ROADS THAT WE CAN SPEND MONEY ON. >> MIKE, I WANT TO ALLOW LINE
ANTSY. >> I'M TRYING TO LET THE FOLKS KNOW AND HAVE GOVERNMENT CLASS, CO IS WHEN A SEVEN-MEMBER BODY DECIDE HOW TO SPEND YOUR PARENTS' MONEY BUT THERE'S ALSO A GO THAT WE HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT TONIGHT WHICH IS WHERE YOUR PARENTS GET TO VOTE ON HOW
WE SPEND THAT MONEY. I'M NOT A FAN OF CO'S -- >> NOT TO INTERRUPT BUT WE
DIDN'T TALK ABOUT GO'S. >> I'M PENSIONING THAT IN MY OPINION AND I DON'T EVEN KNOW THAT THIS CAN BE HANDLED AS A GO, BUT I DON'T -- I'M NOT A BIG FAN OF CO'S BECAUSE I'M NOT A FAN OF SPENDING -- THESE MONEY THAT WE ARE TALK ABOUT, THIS 1 AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS A MONTH COMING IN, THOSE ARE SALES TAX DOLLARS AND THEY BELONG TO THE FOLKS JUST AS I BELONG TAX DOLLARS. BUT EASY TO GET OFF ON SIDE TRAIL WHERE WE BELIEVE FOR SOME REASON THIS IS MONEY FALLING OUT OF THE SKY AND WE SPEND IT HOWEVER WE SEE FIT BUT THAT'S DOLLARS THAT CAN BE USED THAT CAN REDUCE TAXING THRESHOLDS ON YOUR PARENTS ALSO.
SO I GUESS WHAT I WOULD CLOSE IN IS BACK WHERE WE HAD A WORKSHOP ABOUT 6 MONTHS AGO AND PAINSTAKINGLY I HAD TO SAY THAT I WAS NOT FOR USING A CO WHICH WOULD HAVE BEEN THE FIRST MAJOR EXPENDITURE FOR FIRE STATION NUMBER FOUR BECAUSE I BELIEVE IN OUR EMERGENCY SERVICE FOLKS AND IT WAS ONE OF THE BIGGEST LETDOWNS OF MYSELF, FOR MYSELF TO NEED TO SAY THAT I WAS NOT FOR THAT FORM OF FUNDING FOR THAT THAT MY BIGGEST FEAR WAS THAT THIS COULD LEAD INTO A POINT TO WHERE WE ARE STARTING TO SEE CO'S FOR PARKS. I JUST THOUGHT THAT WOULD BE YEARS DOWN THE ROAD. SO WE ARE AT THAT POINT TODAY, THAT'S KIND OF WHAT WE ARE
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TALKING ABOUT AND I DO NOT THINK THIS IS THE RIGHT MOVE TO MAKE FOR OUR CITIZENS.I THINK THAT WE SHOULD WHERE SHE FUNDING IN GO FORMAT AND FIND AVENUE WHERE FOLKS CAN VOTE ON WHETHER THEY WANT TO COUNCIL TO CARRY OUT A CO FOR THEM. THAT WOULD BE HOW I WOULD SEE
THIS TO WORK. >> NOTED. ROSS, I SAW YOU HAD YOUR LIGHT ON, DO YOU WANT TO -- YOU TURNED IT OFF. ALAN, DO YOU HAVE A QUESTION?
>> I JUST GOT MY LAST COUPLE OF THOUGHTS AND I WILL BE DONE. SO FOR ME, I THINK THE ALLOCATION OF SALES TAX DOLLARS TO THIS PROJECT IS COMPLETELY APPROPRIATE.
I THINK IT IS VERY FITTING WHERE WHERE WE'RE AT AND I THINK COMING DOWN TO DECIDING WHETHER OR NOT DEBT OR CASH BE USED, I THINK IT'S GOING TO BE A LOT EASIER WITH THAT SCOPE AND SO I THINK JUST WAITING ABOUT, I GUESS, FOUR WEEKS AND BE ABLE TO MAKE THOSE DETERMINATIONS TOGETHER I THINK IT'LL GIVE US A LOT OF INFORMATION TO SPECIFIC TO -- TO WHAT COUNCILMAN WICKELMAN SAID. IT'LL GIVE US MORE INFORMATION AT THAT TIME.
>> I WANT TO APOLOGIZE, I THINK I SAID ASK, I APOLOGIZE, IT'S A DISCUSSION TONIGHT.
WE ARE NOT MAKING A DECISION. WE WILL HAVE TO COME BACK. >> THAT'S WHAT I WAS LOOKING FOR CLARIFICATION. WE ARE VOTING ON WHETHER OR NOT TO APPROVE THE VEHICLE FOR THERE
10 MILLION? >> WE ARE NOT EVEN VOTING, WE ARE JUST DIRECTING STAFF.
>> VOTE -- WE ARE NOT MAKING A DECISION OR OF ANYTHING WHETHER OR NOT WE ARE GOING TO BUILD A
PARK? >> NO. >> I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE
BECAUSE IT SEEMED TO BE GOING DOWN A DIFFERENT ROAD FOR ME. >> I THINK WE ARE TRYING TO GIVE DIRECTION AND SOME OF IT GOING BACK TO M CDC. I'M HEARING A LOT OF THINGS.
IF WE ARE GIVING DIRECTION TO THEM. Y'ALL AREN'T FINANCING THIS VIA CO OR A SALES TAX REVENUE BOND, WE WANT YOU TO PAY CASH FOR IT, WE PROBABLY NEED TO GIVE THEM DIRECTION THAT THAT'S WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO DO. IF YOU'RE JUST OPPOSED TO A CO BECAUSE IT'S NOT VOTED AND IT'S TAX DOLLAR, BUT YOU'RE OKAY WITH THE TAX SALES REVENUE BOND, WE WILL GIVE THEM THAT DIRECTION OR IF YOU'RE OPEN TO A CO JUST NOT TONIGHT OR -- THEN WE NEED TO -- WE ARE TRYING TO GIVE THE BOARD FEEDBACK AND DIRECTION ON -- BUT IF WE TELL THEM, IF THE RESPONSE OR THE DIRECTION OF A COUNCIL IS, Y'ALL ARE JUST PAYING $10 MILLION IN CASH BECAUSE YOU HAVE IT, WELL, WE NEED TO LET THEM KNOW THAT THAT'S -- THAT'S WHAT Y'ALL WANT AND THAT THEY CAN MAKE PLANS. WE ARE TRYING TO MAKE PLANS ACCORDINGLY TO HOW TO BRING
THERE THING BACK. >> CHRIS, WOULDN'T IT BE SAFE TO SAY WE ARE NOT EVEN -- THEY ARE GIVING US $10 MILLION PERIOD. ONE WAY OR ANOTHER WE ARE GETTING 10 MILLION.
THAT'S IT. ALL WE'RE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT IF WE WANT TO BORROW THE 10 MILLION ON THEIR BEHALF OR THEY'RE GOING TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO GIVE US 10 MILLION?
>> I'M OPPOSED TO FINANCING IT IF WE HAVE THE CASH. >> THAT WORKS.
THE ONLY QUESTION I HAVE IS IF THE CITY DID TAKE ON THE DEBT FOR THE M CDC, DOES THAT AFFECT THE INS FOR THE BUDGET FOR THE NEXT YEAR? WOULD THAT NOT SHOW THAT PAYMENT
ON INS SIDE OF OUR BUDGET? >> I DON'T BELIEVE SO. >> IT WOULD BE -- SELF-SUPPORTING PIECE. SO TAKE IN MIND, WE HAVE BEEN DOING IT FOR NAVARRO FOR THE LAST 18, 20 YEARS. WE SHOW THE CO AND THEN WE SHOW THAT THEY'RE MAKING THE PAYMENT AND IT OFFSETS ONE ANOTHER SO IT DOESN'T AFFECT ANYTHING AS FAR AS SETTING TAX RATE.
IT DOES SHOW UP TO YOUR POINT BUT THEN OFFSET -- >> MINUSES.
>> TO ME THIS IS JUST A DEBATE ON CASH OR BORROWING THE MONEY AND I WILL SAY MY ONLY PIECE BECAUSE YOU'RE LOOKING FOR DIRECTION IS WHILE I DO APPRECIATE THE CREATIVITY, AT THE END TO HAVE DAY WE ARE PUTTING THE TAXPAYER ON HOUSEHOLD VERSUS SALES TAX WHICH THAT MONEY CAN COME FROM PEOPLE OUTSIDE OF OUR COMMUNITY AND I'M KIND OF STRUGGLING WITH THAT PART. I'D RATHER IT BE FUNDED BY SALES TAX WHETHER THEY BORROW THE MONEY OR PAY CASH, I'M NOT TOO GREAT FEELING ABOUT PUTTING THAT DEBT ON THE HOM HOMEOWNERS.
>> WELL, LET ME SAY THE INTENT AND ROSS BROUGHT THIS THING, IF SALES TAX JUST PLUMMETS AND WE LOSE 80%, WE HAVE BIG ISSUES BUT TALKING ABOUT THIS ONE, THAT WOULD BE THE ONLY WAY WHERE
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PROPERTY TAX DOLLARS WOULD HAVE TO FUND THIS. >> RIGHT.
>> EVERYTHING STAYS STATUS QUO, THE SALES TAX WILL BE PAYING THESE BONDS.
BUT IN A CRISIS SITUATION, IT COULD HAVE. >> AISLE -I WILL --
>> I APPRECIATE CLARITY, EXPLANATION. WE HAVE TWO OR THREE OPTIONS THAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT AND I THINK -- I THINK ON SOMETHING LIKE THIS UNTIL WE START KNOWING SOME REAL NUMBERS, PHASING FOLLOW AS MR. ROGERS POINTED OUT, DOESN'T HAVE TO ALL BE DONE THE NEXT YEAR OR THE FLEXION THH BUT SEEING THAT WE HAVE A LOT OF OPTIONS TO BE LOOKING AT THAT WE KEEP MOVING FORWARD. UNTIL I START SEEING SOME NUMBERS ON WHAT'S THIS IS GOING TO COST OR WHEEDLING ON IT OR NOT WHEEDLING ON IT AND PHASE IT, I'M NOT SURE THAT -- I THINK
IT'S GOOD TO HAVE ALL THERE'S DIFFERENT OPTIONS TO DISCUSS. >> COUNCILMAN ROGERS.
>> IT MAKES IT HARD TO MAKE A DECISION ANYWAY AND I'M GOING TO BE A PHASE-IN ON THIS, BUT IN REALITY AND I DON'T EVEN THINK WE CAN TALK ABOUT IT BECAUSE IT'S NOT ON THE AGENDA BUT THERE IS ANOTHER FUNDING ENTITY WITHIN THE SCOPE OF THIS FOR THE OTHER 8 MILLION AND WE CAN'T TALK ABOUT IT BUT SEE THAT MAKES IT ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE TO TALK ABOUT THE SUBJECT BECAUSE THEIR FUNDING MECHANISM IS A PHASE-IN, SO I DON'T KNOW HOW WE HAVE THIS CONVERSATION SEPARATE FROM THE
OTHER ENTITY THAT WE CAN'T EVEN TALK ABOUT TONIGHT. >> SINCE THIS IS A DISCUSSION ITEM, I THINK REALLY WHAT I'M GATHERING TO GIVE BACK TO STAFF AND M CDC WE DON'T HAVE INFORMATION PRESENT TO GIVE YOU ALL DIRECTION. I KNOW THAT'S NOT GIVING
DIRECTION. >> THAT IS A DIRECTION. >> AT LEAST BRING IT BACK I WOULD SAY PROBABLY AFTER THE -- WHAT, AFTER OR DURING THE APRIL MEETING?
>> I WOULD SAY DURING BECAUSE THREATEN WE CAN HAVE ALL THOSE DISCUSSIONS TO WHAT COUNCILMAN ROGERS SAID EVERYTHING WILL BE ON THERE, VARIOUS POINTS AND WE CAN KIND OF GO THROUGH THAT
WHOLE -- THAT'S JUST MY OPINION. >> OKAY. IS IT NOT POSSIBLE -- HOW DO YOU HAVE THE DISCUSSION IF YOU BRING IT BACK BUT IT'S ONE ENTITY AND NOT THE OTHER AND THEY CAN'T BE ON THE SAME AGENDA ITEM. SO WOULD YOU NOT HAVE A WORKSHOP WHERE ALL THE PLAYERS WERE SITTING AT THE TABLE SO THIS COULD GET FIGURED OUT ONCE AND FOR ALL AND WHAT DIRECTION?
>> WE CAN CERTAINLY HAVE A WORKSHOP. WE'VE GOTTEN CLEAR DIRECTION THAT WE ARE NOT BRINGING NOTICE OF INTENT BACK BEFORE WE HAVE BIDS FOLLOW PLACE.
SO THERE IS SOME DIRECTION. IF WE NEED TO HAVE A WORKSHOP TO TALK ABOUT FUNDING AND I GUESS MAYBE ASK THIS QUESTION, LET'S SAY THE BIDS COME IN AND THEY'RE UNDER 18 MILLION, WE ARE NOT TALKING PHASING, THAT'S MAKING A BIG ASSUMPTION ON MY PART, BUT LET'S SAY WE WANT TO MOVE FORWARD AND THE COUNCIL HAS MOVED SO FAR THE TWO ENTITIES ARE GOING TO APPROVE 18 MILLION AND THEN IT COMES HOW THEY ARE FUNDING 8 MILLION. WE KNOW HOW MED IS FUNDING, THAT WAS IN THEIR AGREEMENT. WE WILL BE TALK ABOUT THIS 10 MILLION.
BUT IF WE NEED TO HAVE A WORKSHOP ON THE ENTIRE 18 MILLION AGAIN WE CAN DO THAT
BUT MED WAS LOCKED DOWN WITH THE AGREEMENT THAT WE APPROVED. >> THE PROBLEM WITH THE NOT HAVING WORKSHOP WITH THE ENTIRE 18 MILLION IS WE ARE GIVING THE APPEARANCE THAT IT WILL BE ALL BE FUNDED AT ONE TIME BUT YET I HAVE A LOT FURTHER QUESTIONS ON THE OTHER ENTITY WHICH WE CAN'T TALK ABOUT. ASIDE IS PHASING OVER FOUR YEARS SO IN A WAY WE ARE DOING A
PHASE-IN SO IT JUST LEAVES A LOT OF UNANSWERED QUESTIONS. >> FOR ME -- BACK TO THE CO TOPIC ITSELF, TO WHAT CHRIS JUST SHARED, YOU FLOW, I THINK WHENEVER WE GET THIS INFORMATION, IF IT'S SUB 18 MILLION AND THE MONEY WE HAVE, THE COMFORTABILITY AROUND THESE OTHER AVENUES TO FUND IT AT LEAST FOR ME PERSONALLY BECOMES MUCH MORE COMFORTABLE IF WE ARE TALKING LIKE EVERYTHING IS DONE, THE WHOLE PROJECT IS COMPLETE, I THINK BASED ON THAT INFORMATION IT'S GOING TO -- IT'S GOING TO WINDLE DOWN THE COMFORTABILITY AT LEAST FOR
MYSELF AROUND WHAT THAT AVENUE LOOKS LIKE. >> YEAH.
WELL, I THINK WE'VE GIVEN STAFF THE DIRECTION NOT TO COME BACK TO THE 14TH AND TO BE HONEST, I
[2026-073 Consider and act upon a nomination for appointment to the Midlothian Community Development Corporation.]
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DON'T THINK IT'S WORTH OR WORKSHOP. WE HAVE $18 MILLION PERIOD, END OF DISCUSSION. IF WE TELL THE B BOARD TO GO FINANCE THEIR MONEY, THEY CAN TELL US TO FLY A KITE AND GIVE US CASH. THAT IS NOT OUR DECISION TO MAKE. WE ARE PROVIDING WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE THEM DO.THE ONLY REASON THEY MADE IT TO US BECAUSE THEY WANTED TO USE A FUNDING PLEASE CONTINUE KNICKS MECHANISM AND BRING BACKTO APRIE HASH IT OUT. I APPRECIATE YOU GUYS.
WITH THAT BEING SAID, WE ARE GOING TO OPEN UP ITEM 202673 CONSIDER AND ACT UPON NOMINATION FOR APPOINTMENT TO THE MIDLOTHIAN COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION.
I THINK ROSS IS GOING TO TACKLE THIS. YOU LOOK SHOCK.
>> NO, I'M KIDDING. WE HAVE ONE VACANCY ON THE BOARD WHO MAY WITHDRAW APPLICATION AFTER TONIGHT'S DISCUSSION. BUT WE LAD A LONG-TIME SERVER IN OUR COMMUNITY WHO RETIRED FOR PERSONAL REASONS FROM THAT SPOT, THE MAYOR, DREW WILLIAMS, HE HAS FINANCE BACKGROUND.
LEAST A LOCAL BUSINESS OWNER, WAS STUDENT HERE ADD MIDLOTHIAN AND THEN DECIDED TO COME BACK AND ENJOY THE QUALITY OF LIFE WE HAVE HERE TO RAISE HIS FAMILY AND JUST UNDERSTANDS THE ROOTS OF OUR COMMUNITY AND THE REALITY OF OUR COMMUNITY AN INVESTED IN THE FUTURE OF OUR COMMUNITY AND WE THINK THAT THAT WOULD BE A GREAT OPTION FOR THE BOARD TO HAVE THAT KIND OF FINANCIAL WISDOM AND BUSINESS OWNERSHIP WISDOM ADDED INTO THE MIX OF WHAT THEY'VE ALREADY GOT GOING
ON. COUNCIL, ANY QUESTIONS? >> THE APPLICANT IS HERE.
>> THE SUSPENSE. YOU TO AT LEAST SAY HI. >> I WAS GOING TO SAY CAN HE
INTRODUCE HIMSELF AT LEAST. >> DREW, LIVE IN CITY LIMITS. [LAUGHTER]
>> I WOULDN'T BE NOMINATED IF NOT. I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING PREPARED.
LIKE YOU SAID, I'VE DONE A NUMBER OF THINGS OVER MY CAREER. I'VE LED LARGE ORGANIZATIONS FROM FINANCE AND OPERATION PERSPECTIVE. STARTED A CONSTRUCTION BUSINESS HERE, MY FAMILY HAS BEEN HERE ENGRAINED IN THE COMMUNITY FOR A LONG TIME.
I ENJOY IT, MY KIDS ARE NOW GETTING TO ENJOY IT LIKE I DID AND I HAVE A PASSION TO SERVE, YOU FLOW, I WANT TO KIND OF MAKE IT BETTER FOR THEM AS WELL, SO
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