[Call to Order, Pledges, and Invocation]
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>>> GOODY TUESDAY EVENING APRIL 14TH 2:02:66 P.M.
COUNCIL PRESENT I WILL CALL THIS MEETING TO ORDER.
JUST A REMINDER COUNSELOR ROGERS IS OUT THIS EVENING BECAUSE OF FAMILY ILLNESS, IF HIS FAMILY PRAYERS.
WE WILL BEGIN THIS EVENING WITH INVOCATION OF PLEDGES TO BEGIN
BY COUNCILWOMAN ANNA HAMMONDS. >> LET A SPRAY, FATHER GOD WE LOVE YOU I THANK YOU FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY TO GATHER TOGETHER IN OUR COMMUNITY LORD, GIVE US WISDOM, HELP US TO COMMUNICATE CLEARLY AND EFFECTIVELY AND I JUST PRAY BLESSINGS OVER ALL THE CITIZENS OF MIDLOTHIAN TO HELP US MAINTAIN A HEALTHY COMMUNITY AND WE DO ALL OF THESE THINGS IN YOUR SON'S NAME, AMEN.
>> I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC OF FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.
[2026-097 Announcements/Presentations]
>> THANK YOU COUNCILWOMAN. WE BEGIN THIS EVENING WITH 2026-97. CITY COUNCIL TO REPORT ON ITEMS OF COMMUNITY INTEREST ANY ITEMS TO BE LIKE TO HIGHLIGHT FROM THE PAST COUPLE WEEKS IN OUR COMMUNITY?
>> I WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT THE MIDLOTHIAN WORSHIP KNIGHT HELD ON A GOOD FRIDAY AT THE AMPHITHEATERS AT MULTIPLE CHURCHES COMING TOGETHER. GOOD MUSIC AND A POSITIVE COMMUNITY EVENTS AND THANK YOU TO THE ORGANIZERS AND THE VICARS
WHO LED THIS. >> THE CHILDREN'S ACTIVITY EASTER EGG HUNT. THERE WERE OVER 40,000 EASTER EGGS PREPARED BY THE STAFF AND OUT THERE AND THAT IS A LOT OF WORK AND APPRECIATE VERY NICE TO EXPERIENCE WITH
FAMILY. >> IF WE CAN GET THOSE KIDS PICKING UP LET HER AS WELL. [LAUGHTER]
[2026-098 Citizens to be heard ]
ANYBODY ELSE. WE WILL MOVE ONTO 2026-98.CITIZENS TO BE HEARD. THE CITY COUNCIL INVITES CITIZENS TO ADDRESS THE COUNCIL ON ANY TOPIC NOT ALREADY SCHEDULED FOR A PUBLIC HEARING. CITIZENS WISHING TO SPEAK SHOULD COMPLETE A “CITIZEN PARTICIPATION FORM” AND PRESENT IT TO THE CITY SECRETARY PRIOR TO THE ITEM BEING OPENED FOR DISCUSSION. SPEAKERS ARE LIMITED TO 3 MINUTES. IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE TEXAS OPEN MEETINGS ACT.
DID ANYBODY SIGN UP TO SPEAK? >> WASHINGTON.
>> ALL RIGHT. >> THANK YOU, I WILL BE BRIEF.
WE WANT TO THANK THIS COUNCIL AND THE CITY FOR THEIR CONTINUED SUPPORT IN OUR INVOLVEMENT IN THE TRANSPORTATION INDUSTRY.
WE ARE ALWAYS LOOKING FOR WAYS TO REPRESENT THE CITY THROUGHOUT THE TRANSPORTATION INDUSTRY THROUGHOUT THE STATE.
RECENTLY WE WERE CONTACTED BY DOWN THE CITY PROFESSIONALS.
THEY HAVE BEEN PRIVILEGED TO COMPETE IN THE INSPECTOR COMPETITIONS OVER THE YEARS AND THEY HOST THE TRUCK DRIVER CHAMPIONSHIPS WHERE PROFESSIONAL DRIVERS OF THE STATE COMPETE IN VARIOUS WAYS TO GO ONTO THE STATEMENT OF NATIONAL COMPETITION THEY WERE LOOKING FOR A NEW VENUE TO TRY AND BRING THAT EVENT AND IT IS A REALLY, REALLY INTERESTING EVENT THE BEST OF THE BEST DRIVERS THE ONES WE DO NOT NORMALLY SEE AND HEAR ABOUT IN THE WORLD ARE. WE TALKED TO THEM ABOUT BRINGING THAT HERE AND THAT WAS SUCCESSFUL WHEN WE TALKED.
SO THAT EVENT WILL BE HOSTED MAY FIRST AND MAY 2ND AT THE FOOTBALL STADIUM. APPROXIMATELY 150-200 DRIVERS FROM FEDEX TO WALMART TO SMALL MOM-AND-POP COMMUNITIES.
WE WANT TO COME AND FORMALLY INVITE ALL OF YOU AND EVERYBODY IN THE CITY TO COME AND SEE THAT EVENT.
WE DO NOT OFTEN SEE OR HEAR THE GOOD SIDE OF THE INDUSTRY IN THE WORLD SO IT IS REALLY FUN AND AS A FAMILY-FRIENDLY WE WILL HAVE OBSTACLE COURSES THEY TAKE THESE BIG TRUCKS THROUGH IT IS PRETTY WILD TO SEE. I DON'T KNOW IF DARREN WAS HERE.
SO THE PAMPHLET HAS INFORMATION ON THE TIMES ON THINGS LIKE THAT SO WE WOULD LOVE TO SEE YOU GUYS OUT THERE.
IT IS A PRETTY BIG DEAL AT LEAST IN OUR WORLD SO IT IS FUN AND WE
HOPE TO SEE YOU ALL THERE. >> THANK YOU APPRECIATE IT.
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>> THANK YOU. >> WE COULD PROBABLY.
>> NO, SAY NO TO THAT. [LAUGHTER]
>> WE CAN GET A CITY TRUCK OUT THERE THAT WOULD BE GOOD.
>> IF YOU COME FORWARD AND STATE YOUR NAME INTO THE MICROPHONE AND WHETHER OR NOT YOU WERE IN THE CITY LIMITS FROM 3 MINUTES.
>> DEBRA YES, I LIVE IN THE CITY LIMITS.
I HAVE BEEN IN THE CITY FOR ALMOST 40 YEARS NOW.
THIS CITY HAS TWO STANDARDS. ONE FOR THE INDUSTRY THAT THEY CAN DO WHATEVER THEY WANT AND THE OTHER ONE FOR THE LITTLE MOM AND POP AND THEY DO DEVELOPMENT COMING IN.
YOU SET THESE REGULATIONS IS THAT WE CAN'T LIKE CHRISTIAN BROTHERS YOU CAN'T HAVE A CAR PARKED OVERNIGHT BUT THEN STILL WITH THE BIG INDUSTRIES YOU MAKE EXCEPTIONS FOR THEM AND THEY DO NOT HAVE TO EVEN LIKE DEVELOPMENT OF THE ROADS THEY DON'T HAVE TO FOLLOW ANY OF THIS! YOU MAKE EXCEPTIONS FOR THEM IT HAS BECOME A BIG HAZARD RIGHT NOW SENSE ON RIOT ROAD THE SOLAR PANEL STAMPING PLANT IT TOOK US 30 YEARS TO GET BLACKTOP THERE. WE FINALLY GOT 2 INCHES OF BLACKTOP AND NOW IT ISN'T BEING USED FOR LOADING AND UNLOADING ZONE. I MEAN TRUCKS ARE BOTH WAYS.
THIS ROAD IS NOT EVEN WIDE ENOUGH FOR TWO VEHICLES AND WE HAVE TRUCKS PARKED ON THE LEFT AND TRUCKS PARKED ON THE RIGHT COMING OUT TRYING TO SECURE THEIR LOADER.
YOU HAVE TO BE CAREFUL THAT YOU DON'T STEP AROUND THEIR TRUCK AND YOU DON'T HIT THEM. THEY ARE THROWING THEIR TIES IT DOWN. I HAVE PICTURES THIS IS THE LAST TWO WEEKS. NUMBER 1 STACKS OF STEEL OVER 1A VIOLATION. NUMBER 2 UNAPPROVED GRAVEL.
LOOK AT THE MESS THAT IS IN THE GRAVEL.
LOOK AT THE MESS THAT IS IN THERE.
WHEN THEY LOADED YES, THEY TRUCKS ARE ON THERE BUT THE FORKLIFTS GO ON THEIR GO ON THE GRAVEL AND WHEN THE TRUCKS GO THROUGH THEY CARRY IN ON THE BLACKTOP ROAD.
THEY DO NOT EVEN HAVE A BIG ENOUGH TURN OUT TO GET OFF FROM THE BLACKTOP THEY HAVE TO GO IN THE DITCH.
HERE IS A TRUCK THE TRUCK PARKED BY THE FIRE HYDRANT.
THEY ARE THROWING THEIR LUMBER THAT THEY STACK THE STEEL ON THE SIDE. THEY ARE EVEN LOADING TAKING THE WHEELS HALFWAY IN THE DITCH NOW. I MEAN THEY HAVE THIS IN NEW BLACKTOP ROAD THEY RUINED IT THAT WE JUST GOT TWO WEEKS AGO.
COMING OFF THE 67. HERE IS WHAT THE DAMAGE THEY SEMISTAYED IN TWO WEEKS COMING OFF THE 67.
WHY DON'T YOU MAKE THESE GUYS PUT IN THE CONCRETE ROADS LIKE YOU DO WITH ANY OF THE DEVELOPMENT OF THIS AREA.
THIS IS RIDICULOUS. HEAR ARE SOME PICTURES JUST RECENTLY I COULD NOT EVEN TURN OFF OF THE 67 ONTO WYATT ROAD BECAUSE THEY TRUCKS WERE LINED UP ON BOTH SIDES.
HERE IS ANOTHER PICTURE OF TRUCKS ON BOTH SIDES OF THE ROAD. HERE IS ANOTHER ONE HERE.
THIS TRUCK DRIVER HERE IS GIVING ME THE FIST TO STOP.
ON A PUBLIC ROAD. THIS IS RIDICULOUS.
I WOULDN'T GO TO ZONING BUT NOTHING GETS DONE SO I WANT TO SUBMIT THIS AS EVIDENCE AND THIS NEEDS TO BE CORRECTED.
IF THEY ARE GOING TO USE THAT THEY NEED TO FIGURE OUT HOW THE TRUCKS COME AGAIN AND THEY TRUCKS GOING OUT AND NOT USING OUR PUBLIC ROAD FOR THEIR INDUSTRY USE.
THANK YOU. >> IF YOU WOULD GIVE THAT TO THE ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER THANK YOU ANY OTHER SPEAKERS?
[CONSENT AGENDA]
WE WILL MOVE ON WITH THE CONSENT AGENDA 2026-99.ALL MATTERS LISTED UNDER CONSENT AGENDA ARE CONSIDERED TO BE RETAINED BY THE CITY COUNCIL AND WILL BE ENACTED BY ONE MOTION WITHOUT SEPARATE DISCUSSION. OF DISCUSSION IS DESIRED, THAT ITEM WILL BE REMOVED FROM THE CONSENT AGENDA AND WILL BE CONSIDERED SEPARATELY. WE HAVE PUBLIC SPEAKERS TONIGHT ON ITEM F SO WE WILL PULL THAT FROM THE CONSENT AGENDA ANY OTHER ITEMS THAT COUNCIL COUNSEL WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS?
WE WILL BE PULLING ITEM F AND ITEM C.
COUNCIL MOTION TO APPROVE AGENDA MINUS C AND MINUS F?
>> SECONDED BY COUNCILOR HAMMONDS PLEASE VOTE.
[C. Consider and act upon an agreement with Ellis County Precinct 4 for pavement rehabilitation and resurfacing for Forbes Rd. in an amount not to exceed $119,260.90 which includes a 10% contingency for any unforeseen items.]
APPROVED 6-0 VOTE MINUS ITEMS C AND F.I CAN SEE, CONSIDER AND ACT UPON AN AGREEMENT WITH ELLIS COUNTY PRECEDENT NUMBER 4 FOR PAVEMENT REHABILITATION AND RESURFACING FOR FORBES WROTE IN AN AMOUNT NOT TO EXCEED $119,260.90 WHICH INCLUDES A 10% CONTINGENCY FOR ANY UNFORESEEN ITEMS.
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>> DO WE HAVE WORD ON WHAT THIS COULD COST OF THE PUBLIC COUNTY
WAS DOING THIS WORK? >> I DON'T KNOW IF WE GOT THESE QUOTES I KNOW THE COUNTY WAS GOING TO BE OUT THERE TYPICALLY YOU WOULD NORMALLY GET A BETTER DEAL AND THEY ARE ALREADY OUT THERE FOR DOING THAT WORK AS WELL.
VERSUS COME AND GET ON MIXING ASPHALT.
>> THE ONLY REASON I'M ASKING IS EVERY TAXPAYING RESIDENT OF MIDLOTHIAN IS ALSO A TAXPAYER OF ELLIS COUNTY IF WE HAVE A LOCAL AGREEMENT WITH THEM ANY CONSIDERATION THAT THESE FOLKS ARE ESSENTIALLY BEING TAXED TWICE FOR THE SAME WORK? NOT THE SAME AMOUNT WE WOULD SEE FROM PRIVATE CONTRACT.
>> I DON'T HAVE THE AMOUNT ON THE REASON WHY THIS ONE IS BEING DONE IS BECAUSE THE COUNTY WAS OUT THERE SO THE THOUGHT WAS ECONOMY SCALE AND GET A BETTER PRICE.
>> BUT AS FAR AS YOU KNOW JUST FULL PRICE COST.
>> THEY COST OF WHAT IT TAKES TO DO THAT YES.
>> THOSE ARE THE ONLY QUESTIONS I HAVE.
>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? MOTION ON IT? MOTION MADE TO APPROVE BY COUNCILOR HAMMONDS IS THERE A SECOND. SECONDED BY COUNCILOR WEAVER PLEASE VOTE. THE ITEM PASSES 6-0.
[F. Consider and act upon a Right of Way Use License and Hold Harmless Agreement to allow for eight (8) on-street parking spaces along West Avenue C for residential and nonresidential use within a Community Retail (CR) Zoning District and authorize the City Manager to execute said agreement. The property is located at 305 West Avenue C. (Case No. M02-2026-023).]
ONTO ITEM F THIS EVENING CONSIDER RIGHT OF WAIT USE LICENSE AND HOLD HARMLESS FOR EIGHT ON STREET PARKING SPACES ALONG WEST AVENUE C FOR RESIDENTIAL AND NONRESIDENTIAL USES WITHIN A COMMUNITY RETAIL ZONING DISTRICT AND AUTHORIZE THE CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE SAID AGREEMENT.THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT 305 WEST AVENUE C.
WE WILL TAKE COMMENTS FIRST AND THEN WILL HAVE DIALOG WITH STAFF
AS NEEDED. >> CHRISTINA CHAMBERS.
>> WELCOME IF YOU COME FORWARD STATE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD AND WHETHER OR NOT YOU LIVE WITHIN THE CITY AND 3 MINUTES.
>> MY NAME IS CHRISTINA CHAMBERS I DO LIVE WITHIN THE CITY OF MIDLOTHIAN. THANK YOU, COUNSEL FOR TAKING MY COMMENTS. THE PROPERTY LOCATED AT 305 AVENUE WEST C IS COMMERCIAL AND HAS THE RIGHT TO OPERATE AS SUCH HOWEVER, THE PROPERTY OWNER IS ASKING TO EXCEED WHAT HAS ALREADY BEEN GRANTED AND ENTER INTO AN EASEMENT AGREEMENT.
THIS IS ONE OF THE MOST THAT HAS BEEN TURNED FROM A RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY, THE PROPOSED USE APPEARS TO GO BEYOND THE ORIGINAL AND INTENDED USE OF THE PROPERTY INCREASED ACTIVITY OR TRAFFIC OR ACCESS IN THIS AREA WITH A NEGATIVELY IMPACT SAFETY AND RESIDENTIAL USE. APPROVAL MAY SET AN UNDESIRABLE PRECEDENT FOR FUTURE USE OF CITY EASEMENT IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
WHILE I RESPECT THE CITY'S AUTHORITY OVER ITS EASEMENTS APPROVAL OF THIS REQUEST WILL PLACE AN UNREASONABLE BURDEN ON ADJACENT HOMEOWNERS MATERIALLY AFFECT THE CHARACTER AND SAFETY OF THE AREA. THE CITY HAS ENGAGED WITH THE DOWNTOWN DESIGN STANDARDS AGREEMENT AND IS CURRENTLY ACTIVELY WORKING ON THIS. THE CITY OWES A FIDUCIARY DUTY TO ITS CITIZENS TO COMPLETE THIS AGREEMENT THAT IT HAS ENTERED INTO BEFORE AGREEING TO SOMETHING THAT MAY NOT WORK WITHIN THE PLAN. I WOULD LIKE TO ASK FOR A SITE PLAN FOR TRAFFIC AS WELL AS IF THERE IS ANY THOUGHT ABOUT HOW TO HOLD THIS HARMLESS AND PLAYING TO NEIGHBORS AND NOT JUST THE CITY I BELIEVE THERE IS MUCH MORE WORK TO CONSIDER TO BE
-- BEFORE THIS IS VOTING ON. >> THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS
ANY OTHER SPEAKERS? >> GARY'S.
>> WELCOME PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD AND THEN YOU
WILL HAVE 3 MINUTES AS WELL. >> 316 WEST AVENUE C VERY CLOSE I WANT TO THANK YOU GUYS FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK THIS EVENING I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A REQUEST CONSIDERING THAT IT BE REMOVED AND SCHEDULED FOR DISCUSSION POSSIBLY PUBLICLY.
THIS REQUEST LEAVES A LOT OF QUESTIONS TO THE REQUEST FOR PARKING. I UNDERSTAND THIS MIGHT SEEM LIKE A RICH REQUEST TO SOME FOLKS.
TO SOME PROPERTY OWNERS THIS IS SOMETHING THAT IS NOT NECESSARILY A FAIR ADDITION UNDER THE RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITY JOINING THIS LOCATION. IT BRINGS UP A LOT OF QUESTIONS REGARDING EXISTING AND POSSIBLE FUTURE USE OF THIS LOCATION.
THROUGH MY OWN RESEARCH I WAS LOCATED TO THE REAR VIEW OF THE GUIDELINES ON FILE WITH THE EXISTING ZONING AND FROM WHAT I CAN SEE I COULD BE COMPLETELY WRONG CORRECT ME IF I AM BUT IT
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SHOWS FOR HIDDEN PARKING ON HER TWO-WAY STREET THIS IS ONLY AN 18-FOOT STREET IT IS A VERY NARROW.I'M JUST LOOKING FOR SOME EXPLANATION AND CONSIDERATION IF THERE IS FUTURE PLANS SURROUNDING THE DIFFERENCE.
FOR THIS REQUEST TO BE PLACED ON SINGLE ONE TIME USE OF CONSENT AGENDA SEEMS TO BE A VERY QUICK DECISION WITH NO INPUT FROM THE FOLKS THAT COULD POSSIBLY BE IMPACTED.
CONSIDERATION OF THIS IS GREATLY APPRECIATED THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU. >> ANDREA WALTON.
>> WELCOME, ANDREA. IF YOU COME FORWARD AND STATE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD AND WHETHER OR NOT YOU LIVE IN THE
CITY PREMISES AS A WELL. >> THANK YOU JUST TO SHARE A LITTLE BIT OF HISTORY FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO DO NOT KNOW THIS HAS BEEN A WALTON PROPERTY FOR 50 YEARS MR. MAJORS WHOSE NAME IS ON EVERY FIRE TRUCK AND A FEW BUILDINGS AROUND TOWN HE BUILT IT BACK IN 1917 AND HE LIVED THERE AND RAISED HIS FAMILY THERE. MISS BARCLAY AFTER HIM BECAME THE SECOND OWNER OF THE PROPERTY AND SHE SUBLETTED EVERY SINGLE POSSIBLE SQUARE INTO THAT PROPERTY SHE LIVED DOWNSTAIRS AND HAD EVERY ROOM RENTED OUT. SHE EVEN DID SOME REDESIGNED THAT WE HAD TO DO AND WE HAVE BEEN FORTUNATE TO MEET PEOPLE THAT LIVE THERE AND EVEN RENTED OUT THE HONEYMOON SWEET.
IT BECAME THE WALTON HOUSE AND WE APPRECIATE AND LOVE OLDER TOWN FOR ITS HISTORICAL ESTHETIC AND VALUE.
THE FACADE OF THE HOUSE WE WANT TO MAINTAIN.
WE ARE SIMPLY JUST ASKING FOR WHAT IT MEANS WITH CODE WITH APPLICATION FORWARD THE PARKING LOT.
THREE OF THEM ARE WITHIN 100 YARDS.
WE ARE NOT CHANGING THE USE OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD WE ARE NOT CHANGING THE CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND OUR GOAL IN PRESERVING THE HISTORIC FACADE IS THERE ARE CARRIAGES WHERE PEOPLE USED TO RIDE THEIR HORSES OUT AND WE WOULD WORK WITH THE ARCHITECT AND TRY TO MAINTAIN THAT AS WE MOVE FORWARD.
WE CURRENTLY HAVE LIGHT INDUSTRIAL COMMERCIAL DISTRICT BEHIND US SO WE HAVE TRAFFIC THAT COMES THROUGH THAT DROPS OFF THE TWO BUSINESSES I SAY ON A WEEKLY BASIS.
AND THEN WE HAVE TRAFFIC THAT CUTS THROUGH THERE ANY TIME BRIDGE IS CLOSED WHICH IS RIGHT THERE ALSO IN OUR AREA.
SO I DO NOT SEE A DIFFERENCE IN TRAFFIC SPECIFICALLY WHERE MY OFFICE IS LOCATED RIGHT NOW. THE MAJORITY OF WHAT WE DO IS DONE BY PHONE. SO I DO NOT KNOW THAT THAT PARKING LOT WILL HAVE MUCH USE OTHER THAN THE RATE OF FIVE PEOPLE A DAY SO I DO NOT THINK THERE IS ANY CONCERN FOR TRAFFIC THAT WOULD BE FURTHERMORE THAN WHAT ALREADY HAPPENS IN AN ATTORNEY'S OFFICE THAT IS 100 YARDS AWAY.
I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND YOUR CONSIDERATION AND YOUR COMMITMENT BECAUSE I KNOW ITS WHEAT FACE GROWTH IS A CITY THAT IS A CHALLENGE FOR EVERYBODY THANK YOU.
>> JUST FOR CLARITY HE WHERE THE APPLICANT.
>> I AM THE APPLICANT AT 305 WEST AVENUE SAY.
>> STAY CLOSE IN CASE THERE IS QUESTIONS THAT ARISE.
OKAY AND THERE WERE SOME ONLINE SUBMITTALS AND OPPOSITIONS FOR THE OVERALL COUNT. SIX AND OPPOSITION SPEAKERS.
I HATE TO PUT YOU ON THE SPOT BUT DO YOU MIND GIVING A QUICK OVERVIEW A QUICK OVERVIEW OF THE CASE.
>> I HAVE A HIDDEN SLIDE WITHIN THE OKAY SO THIS REQUEST CAME TO US A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO THEY ARE SIMPLY WANTING TO PUT EIGHT PARTY SPACES IN FRONT OF THE WEST AVENUE SEE AND THEY WILL BE AIDED BY TEN SQUARE FEET OR SORRY EIGHT BY TEN AND THE APPLICANT IS WANTING TO DO ESSENTIALLY A PROFESSIONAL ARE ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICE WITHIN THE HOME AND CURRENTLY HIS OWN COMMUNITY SO WE COULD ALSO DO THAT RIGHT NOW.
>> JUST FOR CLARITY WE ARE SIMPLY TALKING PARKING TONIGHT CORRECT. I DID NOT KNOW WHO IS ANSWERING QUESTIONS BUT SO JUST TO BE VERY CLEAR THEY COULD OPEN THIS I KNOW WE ARE NOT TALKING ABOUT ZONING BUT THEY ARE OPEN FOR BUSINESS TOMORROW WITH THE FIVE EMPLOYEES PARKING ON THE
EXISTING DRIVEWAY. >> COMMUNITY RETAIL.
>> OKAY. >> IS THERE AN ORDINANCE OR RULE
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THAT STOPS THESE FIVE EMPLOYEES FROM PARKING?>> NOT THAT I'M AWARE OF SO PARKING ON THE GRASS EVERYWHERE NOT THAT I DON'T BELIEVE THERE IS IN ACCORDANCE.
>> I CAN SEE FROM GOOGLE EARTH THAT THERE IS PEOPLE DOING IT ALL OVER THE PLACE. SO IN THEORY SHE CAN OPEN THIS BUSINESS WITH THESE FIVE EMPLOYEES USING THE EXISTING DRIVEWAY OR WITH THE PARKING LOTS APPROVAL THAT'S FINE ONLY
TWO QUESTIONS. >> ONE MORE QUESTION VERY SIMILAR BUT AS LONG AS YOU ARE NOT IMPEDING THE ADA SIDEWALK THAT YOU CAN PARK AND CITY RIGHT AWAY THROUGHOUT OLDER TOWN.
I MEAN DATE CONVERSION PORTIONS ALMOST ALL COMMERCIAL AND RETAIL. SO I GUESS REALLY WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT TONIGHT IS DO THEY HAVE THE RIGHT TO PAY PARKING.
>> YES RIGHT AWAY THERE. >> AND DID REFERENCE THERE IS THREE OTHER LOCATIONS WITHIN A HUNDRED YARDS THAT HAVE SIMILAR AGREEMENTS IN PLACE THAT REQUEST AVENUE SEE AND NORTH
EIGHT. >> I BELIEVE WEST AVENUE SEE AND
NORTH. >> AND IT LOOKS RIGHT THERE SEVENTH AND AVENUE SEE THERE IS MAYBE SOME GRAVEL OR SOMETHING THAT IS PARKED THERE IN THE CITY RIGHT AWAY.
>> YES. >> AND THEN A LITTLE BIT FURTHER DOWN THE LITTLE BIT BOTTOM OF THE FRAME THAT APPEARS TO BE IS THAT LICENSE OR DID THEY JUST PAY FOR IT AND PARKED THERE
WITHOUT ASKING? >> I THINK THAT HIS MULTIFAMILY UNIT SO I ASSUME THEY HAVE A LICENSE.
>> LOOKING GREAT THERE AT THE CORNER OF AVENUE SEE AND NORTH SIX WHICH I GUESS ITS KIND OF CAT CORNER TO THIS PROPERTY IT APPEARS THERE IS A LOT OF GRAVEL IN OUR CITY RIGHT AWAY WHICH IS
PROBABLY UTILIZED FOR PARKING? >> I'M NOT SURE IF THEY HAVE
THAT RIGHT AWAY. >> TO PUT DOWN ANY KIND OF GRAVEL, ASPHALT, CONCRETE, YOU WOULD HAVE TO LITERALLY HAVE THE
>> OTHERWISE THAT SHOULD BE REMOVED.
>> OKAY THANK YOU, SIR. >> I GUESS MY QUESTION WOULD BE FOR MS. WALTON THIS IS NOT A NEW BUSINESS, THIS IS A NEW BUSINESS
YOU ARE STARTING? >> I DID NOT UNDERSTAND THAT QUESTION. IT IS NOT A NEW BUSINESS I HAVE BEEN LIVING IN THIS RESIDENTS FOR 30 YEARS I HAVE MET WITH PEOPLE OCCASIONALLY HERE. THE BUSINESS IS CURRENTLY IN OF THE LOT ROAD SO WE ARE IN LIKE A TWO-YEAR PROCESS OF MOVING AND I GUESS I WOULD SAY THAT AS WE LIVE THERE FOR 30 YEARS WE HAVE HAD CHURCH GROUPS, YOUTH GROUPS, WE HAD URBAN ELEMENTARY THREE DIFFERENT KIDS ALL OF FIFTH-GRADE COME OVER AND CELEBRATE WE HAVE HAD SOCCER PARTIES VOLLEYBALL PARTIES LAST FRIDAY NIGHT WE HAD A BUNGLED GROUP OF LADIES PTA PEOPLE.
COLLECTIVELY ALL OF THE CARS THAT HAVE BEEN THERE IN THE LAST 30 YEARS THAT HAVE BEEN DOWN THE STREET IN THE DRIVEWAY IN FRONT OF THE HOUSE PROBABLY ARE MORE THAN WHAT WOULD BE THERE IN THE
NEXT 20 YEARS. >> AND WHEN YOU HAVE PEOPLE COME OTHER THAN IT BEING BACK-TO-BACK IN THE DRIVEWAY THEY WOULD'VE PULLED INTO THE GREEN SPACE NOW IN FRONT OF THE SIDEWALK?
>> AND FACE THE HOUSE YES. WE USUALLY PARK OUR CAR THAT WAY TO SHOW THEM HOW TO PARK SO IT IS CONDUCIVE FOR EVERYBODY AND KEEPS THEM OFF OF NEIGHBORS YARDS.
>> ANY FURTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS?
>> A MOTION TO APPROVE. >> MOTION TO APPROVE IS PRESENTED IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND BY COUNCILMAN WEAVER PLEASE VOTE. THE ITEM PASSES 6-0.
[2026-100 Conduct a public hearing and consider and act upon an ordinance amending the development regulations of Urban Village Planned Development District No. 175 (UVPD175) and revise the Detailed Site Plan. The property is located at 503 S 9th Street. (Z02- 2026-005).]
MOVING ON TO OUR PUBLIC HEARINGS THIS EVENING ITEM 202-6100 CONDUCT PUBLIC HEARING AND ACT UPON AN ORDINANCE AMENDING THE DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS OF URBAN VILLAGE PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT NUMBER 175 AND REVISE THE DETAILED SIGHT PLAN.THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT 503S NINTH STREET.
DANIEL? >> THIS IS A REQUEST TO AMEND DO YOU VPD CITE PLAN. THIS IS CURRENT THE 0.13-ACRE LOT. THIS SHOWS THE PROPERTY OUTLINED
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IN YELLOW WITH ADJACENT ZONING AND LAND USE EDUCATIONS AT THE BOTTOM RIGHT TABLE. HERE IS A DETAILED SITE TO PLAN IT WILL ACCOMMODATE 2300 SQUARE-FOOT BUILDING FOOTPRINTS INCREASE IN EIGHT ADDITIONAL PARTY SPACES.A SITE PLAN A COMPARISON WITH THE EXISTING BUILDING TO BE DEMOLISHED ON THE LEFT AND THE PROPOSED BUILDING ON THE RIGHT OUTLINED AND SHOWN DIFFERENT SKILLS.
THE PROPERTY WAS REZONED FOR PROFESSIONAL ADMINISTRATIVE ORDINANCES IN FEBRUARY OF 2024 WHICH WILL NOT CHANGE WITH THE AMENDMENTS. THE SITE IS ACCESSIBLE FROM EXISTING MAJOR ARTERIAL HERE IS A LANDSCAPE PLAN WHICH WILL REQUIRE THREE VARIANCES FOR THE REQUIRED BUFFERS TO BEING FOR THE NORTHERN AND WESTERN RESIDENTIAL A DISH -- ADJACENT SEAT BOUNDARIES AND ONE ALONG SOUTH NINE STREET.
THROUGH THE PROPOSED ELEVATIONS WHICH FEATURE CENTRAL ZONE AND ENTRY CABLE, CENSORED DORMERS, RECTANGULAR OPENINGS, AND STUCCO AND STONE MATERIALS. THESE ELEVATIONS WERE CREATED BY THE APPLICANT IN RESPONSE TO RECOMMENDATION TO CONFORM MORE WITH THE SURROUNDING STRUCTURES AND WHEN I'LL BE INCLUDED IN THE ORDINANCE. THE GOAL IS FROM THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AT THE REQUEST IS CONSISTENT WITH ENHANCING DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS AND A VISUALLY APPEALING ENTRIES ALONG MAJOR THOROUGHFARES. THE REQUEST IS INCONSISTENT WITH POLICIES ON CHARACTER AND ELEVATED DESIGN STANDARDS.
NOTE ALL PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN 200-FOOT RADIUS OF THE PROPERTY RECEIVED NO OBJECTIVE. APPROVAL OF THIS WITH A VOTE OF 6-0. STAFF RECOMMENDS AN APPROVAL OF THE AMENDMENTS 175 SINCE IT IS CONSISTENT WITH FUTURE LAND USE MAP COMPATIBLE WITH THE SURROUNDING LAND USE AND POTENTIALLY CONSISTENT WITH LAND USE POLICIES I'M OPEN TO
SPEAKER ON THIS CASE? SINCE THERE ARE NO PUBLIC SPEAKERS I WILL TAKE A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
>> MOTION MADE AND SECONDED PLEASE VOTE.
PUBLIC HEARING CLOSE TO 6-0. APPLICANT HERE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK OR MAKE A PRESENTATION YOU ARE WELCOME TO NOW.
IF YOU DO NOT MIND JUST INTRODUCE YOURSELF.
>> I AM A RESIDENT WITHIN THE CITY AND I AM ONE OF THE TWO OWNERS OF WEALTH MANAGEMENT I HAVE LIVED HERE IN LOTHIAN SINCE 1995. ORIGINALLY OPENED OUR BUSINESS WITH MY BUSINESS PARTNER LIVING IN ARLINGTON ABOUT FIVE YEARS AGO HE AND HIS WIFE MOVED TO MIDLOTHIAN SO NOW WE ARE LOOKING TO MOVE OUR OFFICES HERE. AND SO WE HAVE BOUGHT THIS LAND AND HAVE DESIGNED THE BUILDING AND THERE IS A COUNTRY THAT IS PROBABLY A HUNDRED YEARS OLD PRESERVED THE BUILDING BASED ON SOME OF THE BUILDINGS ALREADY ON THE LANE SO WE ARE GOING TO MAKE IT MORE OF THAT STYLE LIKE PRESENTED SO IF IT FITS IN WITH A LOT OF THE OTHER AREAS BUT WE APPRECIATE YOUR INTEREST AND LOOK FORWARD TO THE DECISION IF THERE IS ANY QUESTIONS I WILL BE
GLAD TO ANSWER THEM. >> THANK YOU.
COUNCIL ANY QUESTIONS OF STAFF? >> YOU WENT THROUGH THE CHANGED ELEVATION PROPOSED AND YOU SAID THAT WOULD NOT BE PART OF THE
ORDINANCE? >> THAT IS CORRECT THE GENERATED IMAGES WERE NOT CREATED IN TIME BUT IT DID SHOW THE APPLICANT'S WILLINGNESS TO ALTER THE APPEARANCES.
>> OKAY BUT THERE IS NO MECHANISM TO FORCE THEM.
>> COULD IT GO IN THE ORDINANCE. >> IT COULD.
>> OR YOU TALKING ABOUT SPECIFICALLY VERSUS THE
DRAWINGS? >> RIGHT NOW WHAT WE HAVE IN THE DRAFT IT HAS ACTUAL ELEVATIONS. EXHIBIT E.
IN THE DRAFT ORDINANCE. SO YOU ARE SEEING THAT WE WOULD APPROVE IT WITH THOSE EXHIBITS. INSTEAD OF THE RENDERING?
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THAT SEEMS LIKE WE ARE JUST SETTING OURSELVES TO COME BACK.L ARE THE ONES RECOMMENDED APPROVAL FOR.>> THAT IS CORRECT. >> SO THESE WOULD GO INTO THE
ORDINANCE. >> AND THEN SWITCH FORWARD OR BACK WHICH LOOKS COMPLETELY DIFFERENT.
SO I GUESS I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IF WE ARE GOING TO APPROVE OR DENY SOMETHING THAT WE UNDERSTAND THAT IS A PRETTY PICTURE BUT THAT IS NOT IN WHAT WE ARE BEING ASKED TO VOTE ABOUT
>> SO WOULD LIKE TO KNOW THE DRAWINGS? THIS ORDINANCE WOULD BE APPROVED IF YOU APPROVE.
>> WE CANNOT APPROVE IT WITH THE RENDERING AN STEAD OF THE
ELEVATIONS. >> CAN WE MAKE A MOTION TO SUBSTITUTE THE DIFFERENT RENDERING AS THE EXHIBIT
REMOVES? >> CORRECTING THE DESIGN
>> CALL ON THERE. >> JUST LABELS DIFFERENT
MATERIAL IN A WITH ALL OF THAT. >> GO BACK TO YOUR RENDERING SO YOU HAVE TO CABLE DORMERS I MEAN THERE ARE SOME DIFFERENCES NOT SAYING THIS SO WELL IF YOU KNOW AGAIN IT IS TOGETHER BUT IF WE ARE LOOKING AT THIS RENDERING AND SAYING ALL THIS LOOKS VERY CONSISTENT WITH THAT STYLE ARCHITECTURE THAN THE DRAWINGS SHOW THEY WOULD BUILD IT DIFFERENTLY JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE ARE ALL IN THE SAME PAGE.
>> I AM AN AGREEMENT THE STYLE AND THE MOCK-UP I LIKE TO CALL IT THAT. DID YOU HAVE COMMENTS.
>> COVERED. >> WOULD LIKE A MOTION ROSTER.
>> JUST TO ADD THE EXHIBITS GO TO THE NEXT.
THE DRAWING OF THE ELEVATIONS. >> SO WE NEED TO REMOVE THESE
AND REPLACE WITH THE IMAGES. >> DO NOT HAVE THE ACTUAL
ELEVATIONS ON. >> DO YOU HAVE THE ELEVATIONS FOR THE RENDERED. THE RENDERINGS? THE DRAWINGS? I'M SORRY.
OKAY. BUT THE ORDINANCE CALLS OUT EXHIBIT D. SO THIS I MEAN I AM NOT AN ATTORNEY BUT THIS LOCKED UP BETTER RENDERING WHATEVER WE ARE GOING TO CALL IT DOES NOT HAVE AN EXHIBIT NO. OR LETTER SO HOW
DO YOU. >> JUST REPLACE EXHIBIT A WITH
THE ELEVATION. >> WE HAVE EXHIBIT D ELEVATIONS.
>> SAY THAT AGAIN. >> EXHIBIT D IS THE LANDSCAPE.
>> THERE ARE TWO EXHIBIT D IS THERE IS ACTUALLY AN EXHIBIT E AND THESE ARE ALSO LABELED D SO WE NEED TO REMOVE THE TWO LOT
ONE ELEVATIONS AND REPLACE THEM. >> ELEVATION REMOVED WITH THE ELEVATIONS PRESENTED AS A PRESENTED.
>> SO YOU ARE SWAPPING D? >> YES AND ONE ELEVATION.
>> I JUST WANT TO BE REALLY CLEAR ON WHAT I AM VOTING ON THERE ARE TWO EXHIBIT D SO ARE WE REALLY LABELING THAT THE LANDSCAPE PLAN? I WOULD REMOVE THE LABELED
EXHIBIT D ELEVATIONS. >> THAT EXHIBIT D, ELEVATIONS
WOULD BE PRESENTED. >> LANDSCAPE PLAN IS ACTUALLY E.
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>> EXHIBIT E IN MIND AS ELEVATIONS OF THE SIDE OF THE
BUILDING. >> RELAY WITH EXHIBIT E.
>> ESSENTIALLY GOING TO BE REPRESENTED REMOVING EXHIBIT D, ELEVATIONS SUBSTITUTING THE ELEVATIONS PRESENTED HERE TONIGHT AND LABELING THE LANDSCAPE.
>> IT GET THAT. >> STAFF IS COMFORTABLE WITH THAT. DOES EVERYBODY UNDERSTAND.
AS LONG AS WE ARE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE.
>> OKAY YES. >> ANY FURTHER COMMENTS?
>> ROSS? >> MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE AS PRESENTED WITH THE REMOVAL OF THE EXHIBIT LABELED O -- E -- ONE -- ELEVATIONS AND REPLACE WITH D DATA ELEVATIONS TO BE REPLACED WITH ELEVATION RENDERINGS PRESENTED AT TONIGHT'S MEETING AND TO RELABEL LANDSCAPE PLAN AS EXHIBIT E TO
>> OKAY, IT MOTION MADE BY COUNCIL SECONDED BY COUNCILOR NORMAN IS THERE ONE A CLEARER? ITEM PASSES 6-0.
[2026-101 Conduct a public hearing and consider and act upon an ordinance amending the regulations relating to the use and development of 248.246+ acres out of the John Smith Survey, Abstract No. 971, the B.F. Cherry Survey, Abstract 1341, the Jourdan Powers Survey, Abstract No. 838, the Joe T. Powers Survey, Abstract No. 877, the Elbert Newton Survey, Abstract No. 971, and Lot 11X, Block G of Wind Ridge, Phase I, according to the Plat thereof recorded in Instrument No. 2213092 of the Plat Records of Ellis County, Texas; by changing the zoning from Agricultural (A) District to Planned Development District No. 187 (PD-187) for single family uses. The property is generally located on the north side of FM 1387 at Hayes Road. (Case No. Z29-2025-075). REQUESTING CONTINUANCE TO THE APRIL 28, 2026, CITY COUNCIL MEETING.]
>> ITEM 2026-101. CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING CAN CONSIDER AND ACT UPON AN ORDINANCE AMENDING THE REGULATIONS RELATING TO THE ASCENT OF A LIMIT OF 2.48. TO POINT FOR 6 ACRES OUT OF THE JOHN SMITH SURVEY.
COUNCIL HAS REQUESTED THIS TO BE CONTINUED UNTIL THE APRIL 28TH MEETING. IS THERE A MOTION TO CONTINUE
THE CASE? >> MAKE THE EMOTION TO DO A CONTINUOUS UNTIL APRIL 28TH, 2026, COUNCIL.
>> COUNCILOR MADE BY WICKLIFFE SECONDED BY WEAVER.
[2026-102 Conduct a public hearing and consider and act upon an ordinance amending the development and use regulations of Planned Development District No. 118 (PD-118) by adopting a revised Concept Plan, Detailed Site Plan, Elevations, and Landscape Plan; relating to Lot 3, Block A, Midpark Addition. The property is generally located southwest of the intersection of South 14th Street and the East US Highway 287 Eastbound Service Road. (Z03-2026-007)]
ITEMS CONTINUED 6-0. OUR FINAL PUBLIC HEARING OF THE EVENING CONSIDER AN PUBLIC HEARING AND CONSIDER AN ACT UPON AN ORDINANCE AMENDING THE DEVELOPMENT AND USE REGULATIONS REGULATIONS OF PLAN DEVELOPED DISTRICT NUMBER 118 BY ADAPTEC REVISED CONCEPT PLAN RELATING TO LOT THREE, BLOCK EIGHT, MID PARK EDITION. LOCATED SOUTHWEST OF THE INTERSECTION OF SOUTH 14TH STREET AND EAST U.S. HIGHWAY 287EASTBOUND SERVICE ROAD. >> THIS IS FOR OUT REQUEST FOR AMENDMENT TO A PDF -- 118 WHICH INCLUDES CONCEPT PLAN, DETAILED SITE PLAN, LANDSCAPE PLAN, AND ELEVATIONS FOR A MEDICAL CLINIC KNOWN AS CHILDREN'S IT WILL BE ABOUT 6000 SQUARE FEET.
THE SITE IS ABOUT 1.6 ACRES GUIDING OUR FUTURE MIDLOTHIAN 2024-2025 SHOWS THIS AS THIS AS NEWTOWN A MODEL SUPPORTS AN ARRAY OF ACTIVITIES CONSISTENT WITH THE PROPOSED USE.
ON THE TOP OF THE SCREEN I HAVE THE AREA WITH THE ZONING LAYER OVER IT WITH THE SITE HIGHLIGHTED IN THE YELLOW BOX.
TO THE NORTH'S U.S. HIGHWAY 287 ALONG WITH U.S. HIGHWAY 287 EASTBOUND SERVICE ROAD WHICH DOES NOT HAVE A ZONING OR FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION TO THE SOUTH IS PD 118 WHICH IT IS A PART OF AND THEN IT PD 181 TO THE EAST THIS AGRICULTURAL AND PD 181 AND THEN TO THE WEST IS PD 79.
THIS PROPOSED USE FOLLOWS MULTIPLE OF THE GOALS AND STRATEGIES WITHIN THE GUIDING OUR FUTURE MIDLOTHIAN 2025 INCLUDING FOCUSING ON MAJOR THOROUGHFARES AS IMPORTANT ENTRYWAYS INTO THE CITY AND HAVING A GOOD IMPRESSION WITH ENHANCED DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS AND IT TALKS OR IT FOLLOWS THE GOALS THAT TALK ABOUT TOPIC INTO THE EMPLOYMENT AND PROMOTING
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SUSTAINABLE ECONOMIC GROWTH AND PROMOTING SUSTAINABLE JOB OPPORTUNITIES AND TO THE RIGHT OF OUR SCREEN IS AERIAL WITH FUTURE LAND USE MAP OVER IT SO YOU CAN SEE THE SITE IS SURROUNDED BY AN NEWTOWN MODULE AND THEN PUBLIC MODULE WHICH IS COMMUNITY FACILITIES. HERE IS THE SITE PLAN THE COLORED PORTION IS THE PROPOSED COOK CHILDREN'S ON TRACK ONE A AND NORTH IS TO THE RIGHT. AND THEN HERE IS THE SAME THING FOR THE DEVELOPMENT. IN 2019 THIS PROPERTY WENT FROM AGRICULTURAL IT TO PD 118 A YEAR LATER IT WAS AMENDED TO CHANGE THE DEVELOPMENT AND USE REGULATIONS AND 28-24 ALSO AMENDED TO EXPAND THE ZONING FOUNDRY TO THE NORTH AND LAST YEAR AMENDED TO KILL SITE PLAN FOR HARMONY BANK THIS WAS COMPLETED AND REVIEWED TO PLAN DEVELOPMENT 118.U.S. HIGHWAY 287 SERVICE ROAD TO THE NORTH OF THE PROPERTY IS CLASSIFIED AS EXISTING SERVICE ROAD AND THE SOUTH 14TH STREET IS DESIGNATED AS A MINOR THOROUGHFARE ARTERIAL OFF THE 95 HIGHWAY. AND THEN HERE IS THE LANDSCAPE PLAN SO AS YOU CAN SEE WELL ENOUGH HERE THERE IS AROUND THE DUMPSTER AND THEY ARE MEETING ALL OF OUR LANDSCAPING REGULATIONS WITH THE ORDINANCE. THEY ARE ASKING FOR A VARIANCE FOR THE PARKING SO OUR ZONING ORDINANCE ALLOWS A DEVELOPMENT TO EXCEED 25% ABOVE THE PARKING FOR THEIR USE WITH THE PARKING RATIOS THEY ARE REQUIRED TO HAVE A MINIMUM OF 15 SPACES THE MAXIMUM PARKING THEY ARE ALLOWED TO HAVE HIS 19 SPACES THEY ARE PROPOSING 44 SPACES TO ACCOMMODATE PARKING AND TWO SPACES TO EXAMINE THE IDEAS THAT EACH CHILD WOULD HAVE A PARKING SPACE FOR BOTH OF THEM AND THEY HAVE REQUIREMENTS FOR THEIR CLINICS THAT ARE REQUIRED FOR THEIR ZONING ORDINANCE.
THEY ARE ASKING FOR ORDINATION VARIANCE REQUEST FROM 118 WHICH IS ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN AND BUILDING REGULATIONS PROPOSED REGULATIONS FOLLOWING CORPORATE BRANDING BUT THEY ARE ASKING FOR THE USE OF BLUE THE PD SPECIFICALLY CALLS OUT THE COLORS ALLOWED FOR THE ARCHITECTURE WILL FACADE AND THEY ARE JUST ASKING FOR YOUR BLUE AS ARCHITECTURE ELEMENTS ON TOP OF THE BUILDING AND OTHER DEVELOPMENTS WITHIN THE PARK FEATURE DARK COLOR SCHEMES LIKE HARMONY BANK RECENTLY CAME THROUGH BUT THE ONLY MODIFICATION IS FOR THE COLOR BLUE AND THEN HERE IS THE ELEVATION OFF TO THE SIDE OF THE BUILDING TO THE LEFT IS A DUMPSTER ENCLOSURE AND THEN AT THE BOTTOM OF YOUR SCREEN THE DIAGONAL LINE IS GOING TO BE EYESIGHT SO NONE OF THE MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT WILL BE ABLE TO BE VIEWED BY EYESIGHT. AND THEN HERE ARE THE RENDERINGS SHOWING IT IN THE SUN AND IN THE SHADE.
AND THEN HERE IS THE COLOR PALETTE.
THESE ARE NOT INCLUDED IN THE ORDINANCES AND JUST TO HELP THEM SEE BETTER WHAT THE APPLICANT PROVIDED.
AND HERE IT IS IN THE SUN AND THE SHADE AND LATER OF THE DAYS.
SO YOU CAN SEE THE COLORS HOW THEY DIFFER DURING THE DAY.
WE DIDN'T SEND POSTCARDS WE HAVE NOT RECEIVED ANY CORRESPONDENCE.
WITH THE FUTURE MAP AND CONSISTENT WITH POLICIES.
THIS IS REQUESTING TWO VARIANCES FOR MAXIMUM REQUIRED PARKING SPACES AND COOK CHILDREN'S MAINTAINS THESE ARE CONSISTENT WITH CORPORATE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS.
AND ON MARCH 17TH MEETING THAT IS ALL I HAVE THE APPLICANT IS
JUST HERE FOR QUESTIONS. >> ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE PUBLIC
HEARING? >> 300 STEEPLECHASE JUST OUTSIDE THE CITY LIMITS I AM REPRESENTING THIS PROPERTY.
ANYONE WHO SIGNED UP TONIGHT AND THEY ONLY PUSH BACK FROM ONE OF THE MEMBERS WAS THE RIGHT HIGHLIGHTED A BLUE-COLLAR THEY DID PROVIDE THE ARTIST RENDERING AROUND THERE PORTRAYED IT.
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AND MAKE SURE THAT WE WENT AND TOOK ACTUAL PHOTOS OF MANY OTHER FACILITIES AND IT IS NOT THE RIGHT HIGHLIGHTED LUKE.>> ANY OTHER SPEAKERS. SINCE THERE IS NO OTHER SPEAKERS WE CONSIDER THE MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
>> MOTION. >> MOTION BY COUNCILOR WICKLIFFE SECONDED BY COUNCIL IN HER -- COUNCILOR SHUFFIELD PLACE THE MOTION IS CLOSE TO 6-0 USE AT THE APPLICANT IS HERE.
>> JUST QUESTION. >> QUESTIONS?
>> DOES THE FOLLOWING THE EXISTING PD TAKE ANY STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS? NOT A GOTCHA IT IS JUST.
>> I'M JUST CONFUSED BY THE QUESTION.
>> DO YOU TAKE WAY THAT IT FOLLOWS THE EXISTING COMMITTEE.
>> AND ARE EXISTING RECOMMENDATIONS.
>> WE DEFINITELY TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION THE VARIANCES THEY ARE ASKING FOR AND WHAT KIND OF VARIANCES THEY ARE ASKING FOR.
>> THAT IS THE POLICY THAT THE COUNCIL ADOPTED REVIEWING SOME BUILDING WITHIN THAT PD BASED ON RECOMMENDATIONS.
>> EVERYTHING WITH A FLAT ROOF. >> UP THE WHOLE THING AT LEAST AT THE FRONT. AND SO CONSISTENT WITH THE ENTIRE COMPLEX. MAKE SURE THEY VISIT THEM PLENTY OF TIMES. MATCHES CONSISTENT WITH THE ENTIRE CONFLICT. SO WHEN STUFF COMES UP WITH RECOMMENDATIONS I AM JUST CURIOUS.
AND MORE ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN. >> THAT IS THE PART I'M STRUGGLING WITH. DOES THAT MATCH ANYTHING THE
ARCHITECTURE NOT THE SAME. >> OTHER CORPORATIONS THAT HAVE COME IN WE HAVE HAD VERY LONG CONVERSATIONS FOR THE CONVONOW AND SO FOR A BUSINESS THAT WANTS TO COME IN ON NINTH STREET WE TALK ABOUT HOW THEY ARE NOT MATCHING THE NEIGHBORHOOD I MEAN I WOULD LOVE COOK CHILDREN'S HERE BUT I'M STRUGGLING WITH WHY WOULD WE ALLOW THIS WHEN IT DOES NOT FIT AT ALL WITH EVERYTHING ELSE AROUND IT LIKE EVERY OTHER BUSINESS AND BUILDING WAS MADE IT TO FIT THAT SAME STYLE COLOR SCHEME EVERYTHING.
>> THEY SAY THE EXTERIOR OF THE STRUCTURES SHALL BE DESIGNED IN CONSTRUCTION TO SUBSTANTIALLY SHOW BUILDING ELEVATIONS AS EXHIBIT C1 AND THAT IS ARTICULATION ON THAT BUILDING TO
THE SOUTH. >> TO MY KNOWLEDGE UNLESS I AM NOT SEEING IT THERE IS NOT A SINGLE BUILDING THERE THAT HAS A PITCH GROUP WHICH WHATEVER WE WANT TO CALL THE AMOUNT OF ARCHITECT BUT THEIR PITCH AND EVERYTHING OUT IS FLAT OUT.
>> THERE IS A VERY OBVIOUS THEME AND TONE THROUGHOUT THAT ENTIRE
DEVELOPMENT. >> I COULD MAY BE GET PAST THE
BLUE. >> THE REST OF THE COMPLEX.
>> ONE OF THE THREE PIECES. >> A LOT MORE SINGULARLY.
>> EVERY OTHER BUILDING HAS THE ORANGE I MEAN WE HAVE A LOT OF BUSINESSES IN THERE THAT HAVE BRANDS AND BRAND COLORS THAT THEY ARE NOT DOING. HAVE THAT DEVELOPMENT.
ALLOW THAT IN ONE SPOT. >> I THINK THESE THREE.
IT'S THE LACK OF A BETTER TERM IS REALLY RELATIVELY MINOR.
AND IF YOU LOOK AT EVERYTHING. IT IS A RELATIVELY MINOR PART OF
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THE OVERALL BUILDING BUT I KNOW SITE WISE IT IS A VERY PROMINENT>> I THINK THAT IS PROBABLY MORE TERMITE CONCERNS.
[LAUGHTER] -- MORE TO MY CONCERNS.
[LAUGHTER] >> I REMEMBER WHEN THE ORIGINAL PD WAS DONE AND THERE WAS SIGNIFICANT AMOUNTS OF REVISIONS AND DISCUSSIONS ON A THIRD TOWN PALLETS AND ALL OF THOSE ELEMENTS AGAIN STAYING OUT OF MY WHEELHOUSE BUT THE CHALLENGE FOR ME IS LOOKING AT THE OVERALL YOU KNOW SIDES AND BACK I MEAN EVERY BUILDING IN THERE IT HAS 360 YARDS THE WAY IT IS DESIGNED IT LOOKS ALMOST AS THE SAME AT THE BACK AS IT WAS FROM THE FRONT AS FAR AS ARTICULATION AS FAR AS SOME OF DO YOU KNOW MADE IT BUILDING THAT THEY WANT TO CREATE DIFFERENT LEVELS OF DEPTH NO MATTER WHICH WAY YOU LOOK AT THE BUILDING I MEAN IT TO ME I LOOK AT THIS UNFORTUNATELY IT IS WITH THREE PYRAMIDS ON TOP I THINK. SO I WOULD FOR ME BEING COLOUR-BLIND I WOULD TAKE EVERYBODY ELSE'S WORD BUT DOES THE ACTUAL OVERALL ARCHITECTURE OF THE BUILDING DOES IT PAY HOMAGE TO AND CAN FORM TO THE ESTHETICS AND ARTICULATION FOR THE REST OF THAT DEVELOPMENT? AND THEN ARGUING AGAINST MYSELF REAL QUICK I DON'T KNOW WITH EVERYBODY HAS DRIVEN DOWN GEORGE HOPPER AWARE THE MID TOWN HAS THE BEAUTIFUL YOU KNOW FRONT PORCHES AND ALL OF THAT STUFF AND THERE IS A BUILDING THERE THAT DOES NOT LOOK LIKE THE OTHER ONES AND IT IS THE MORE ORTHODOX WHEN IT WAS FIRST BUILT I DROVE BY THAT AND SAID SOMEBODY MUST HAVE BEEN ASLEEP HOW DID WE GET A BEACH SURF SHACK AND THE MIDDLE OF THIS YOU KNOW THIS STYLE THIS CRAFTSMAN STYLE PROJECT YOU KNOW I HAVE BEEN DRIVING PAST THAT THING FOR A LONG TIME AND AS THAT MATURED AROUND IT AND KIND OF ALMOST FITS BECAUSE IT DOES NOT FIT YOU KNOW MAY BE JUST BECAUSE HAVE DRIVEN BY IT SO MUCH BUT NOW I THINK IT ADDS SOME SALT SO AGAIN I AM COLOUR-BLIND SO I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT THE COLORS OF THINGS I'M JUST TALKING ABOUT YOU KNOW SOMETIMES A LITTLE IN CONTINUITY IN SMALL DOSES ACTUALLY CHANGE EVERYTHING BUT I THINK THERE ARE SOME VALID CONCERNS HERE.
>> I THINK THE APPLICANT WOULD LIKE TO SAY A COUPLE THINGS.
>> COME ON UP. >> MICHAEL SMITH WITH COOK CHILDREN'S I WANT TO THANK YOU GUYS SO FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE HERE WE ARE EXCITED ABOUT BEING PART OF THIS COMMUNITY AND SERVING THIS COMMUNITY BUT DID WANT TO CLARIFY FOR ALL OF YOU IF YOU SEE OUR LOGO ACTUALLY IT HAS THREE PEAKS ON IT SO IT IS A VITAL PART OF WHO WE ARE AND WHO WE SERVE THAT OUR PATIENTS ARE ALWAYS ENTERING BELOW. SO IF YOU LOOK AT ANY OF OUR BUILDINGS YOU WILL SEE THE THREE PEAKS IT SERVES AS A BIG WAY FINDING PEACE APPEARANCE AND FOR OUR PATIENTS AND ALSO BECOME SOMETHING THAT IS RECOGNIZED AND KNOWN SO EVEN OUR PATIENTS AS THEY ARE DRIVING AROUND TOWN THEY CAN DRIVE BY AND SAY THAT IS MY DOCTOR BECAUSE THEY KNOW THOSE THREE PEAKS FROM THAT PART OF IT THE OTHER PART OF THAT IS AS I SAID IT ALSO ACTS AS A WAY FINDING GOES WELL FOR EMS SO IF WE HAVE TO CALL FOR EMS TO COME TO OUR FACILITIES IT IS A VERY EASY TO FIND OUR COLORS ARE NOT AS BROAD AS THEY ARE HERE AT THESE RENDERINGS ARE SET SO JUST TO CLARIFY AS WELL SO THEY ARE MUCH BRIGHTER DID SHARE SOME OF THEM THAT SHOWS THE COLORS AND THE ANGLE THAT WE ARE ABLE TO SEE IN ADVANCE FEEL SO AS FAR AS THE EARTH TONES YES THE BUILDINGS HAVE THAT THEY DO HAVE THE SAME EARTH TONES THAT ARE INSIDE OF THE DEVELOPMENT NOW BESIDES THE ORANGE AND THE DARKER BRICK COLORS BUT WE STILL WANT TO MAINTAIN THE BLUE PEAKS BECAUSE THAT IS WHO WE ARE AND HOW PEOPLE FIND US ON HOW PEOPLE KNOW WHO WE ARE AS WELL. I THINK THAT FITS INTO OTHER THINGS THAT YOU GUYS HAVE IN THE COMMUNITY AND THINGS LIKE THAT BUT THIS IS ONE THING THAT WE WILL STAND ON THAT THE BLUE PEAKS ARE A PRIORITY FOR US AND IF YOU ASK US TO REMOVE IT THAT
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IS NOT SOMETHING THAT WE ARE WILLING TO DO.>> THANK YOU ANY QUESTIONS FOR THAT?
>> JUST A COUPLE QUESTIONS ONE IS WHAT IS THE PEAK ELEVATION I MEAN NUMBERS MY GLASSES ARE NOT DOING WELL HOW HIGH ARE WE TALKING ABOUT THESE PYRAMIDS STAND DOWN LIKE.
>> SO YOU ARE TALKING MAY BE THE TALLEST ONE IN THE CENTER IS 7-FOOT TALL WE DO NOT HAVE THE ELEVATION HEIGHT ON THERE BUT THE DOOR RIGHT BELOW IT IS 7-FOOT TALL THAT IS ABOUT THE SAME HEIGHT AS THAT DOOR SO I THINK THEY ARE MORE PRONOUNCED BECAUSE THE COLOR THEY ARE IN THE PAGE THAT THEY STAND OUT I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN PULL BACK TO THE ENTRANCE.
>> TO GO BACK THE ONE OF MANSFIELD.
>> SO YOU CAN SEE THEY DO EXIST IN MANSFIELD AND PROBABLY NOT AS PROMINENT AS THE IMAGES ARE IN THE RENDERING BECAUSE YOU ARE LOOKING AT THE BUILDING STRAIGHT ON WITHOUT LANDSCAPING AND EVERYTHING ELSE SO THESE ARE ACTUALLY TALLER THAN THE ONES
THAT WILL BE HERE. >> FROM A DISTANCE IT CAN ALMOST LOOK LIKE IT STILL HAS THE VARIOUS.
>> IT DEFINITELY STANDS OUT. >> HAS ABOUT WHAT FOR BUILDINGS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT SO THIS WOULD BE ONE BUILDING THAT WOULD STAND OUT DIFFERENT FROM THE OTHERS.
>> SO THE OTHER BUILDINGS THAT ARE BEHIND US.
>> ORIGINAL. >> LET ME ASK YOU A QUESTION ABOUT THE PARKING THE VARIOUS QUESTION ABOUT THE SPACE WE HAVE THE MAXIMUM WE SAY AT MAXIMUM 19 AND VARIOUS REQUEST, OKAY, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE I RODE IT DOWN RIGHT BECAUSE THAT WAS A SIGNIFICANT DIFFERENCE WANTING TO TALK ABOUT IS THAT PARKING GOING TO APPLY TO ANY KIND OF A FUTURE.
OR I WONDER WILL IT BE JUST FOR THAT.
>> IT IS JUST FOR THAT BUILDING SO THAT IS BASED UPON THERE IS 12 EXAM ROOMS SO THAT PUTS US AT 24 AND THEN FOR EVERY DR. WHICH THIS CLINIC WILL HAVE FOUR DOCTORS AND THEIR IT'S THREE MORE STAFF OF THEM SO THAT IS ANOTHER 16 AND THEN THE ADA
PARKING SPOTS ON TOP OF THAT. >> IF I UNDERSTAND THIS CORRECTLY THAN THESE TWO VARIANCES OR THE QUESTION IS PART OF THE BRANDING AND THE POLICY OF THE HOSPITAL.
>> OF COOK CHILDREN'S AS A WHOLE SYSTEM.
IF WE PROVIDED PARKING FOR THE CITIES OF CURRENT STANDARDS WE WOULD HAVE PEOPLE PARKING IN THE GRASS.
>> AND WE HAVE THE LARGEST POSITION AT WORK IN THE STATE PROBABLY IN THE COUNTRY FROM PREETI AT TRICKS SO WE DEFINITELY HAVE A LOT OF EXPERIENCE AND WHAT OUR CLINICS THE AND THE NUMBER OF PATIENTS IT IS NOT LIKE A TYPICAL MEDICAL CLINIC WHERE FOR EXAMPLE I MAY GO AND I AM THE ONLY ONE THAT GOES SO IF WE HAVE A CHILD GOING AGAIN WE MAY HAVE MULTIPLE VEHICLES BECAUSE WE HAVE MOM AND DAD COMING TO THAT APPOINTMENT BECAUSE THEY ARE BOTH COMING FROM WORK AND THEN WE HAVE THE PATIENT WAITING IN THE WAITING ROOM TO GO INTO THE EXAM ROOM NEXT WITH THEIR PARENTS AND THEN OF COURSE WE HAVE A SPOT FOR EACH ONE OF OUR EMPLOYEES THERE SO WE HAVE AN OFFICE MANAGER IN THIS CLINIC WE WOULD HAVE THREE AT RECEPTION AND CHECK OUT ON TOP OF THAT OFFICE MANAGER AND THEN WE HAVE TWO INMATES OR
NURSES FOR DOCTOR. >> IN BLUE YOU TRIED TO BRING GREEN IN YOU HAVE A PROBLEM. [LAUGHTER]
>> I KIND OF AGREE WITH THE POINT OF A LITTLE BIT OF SALT IN THE BROTH TO THIS END I DO THINK THAT THE SITE SELECTION MATTERS HERE IT IS NOT SET BACK WITHIN THE DEPTHS OF THIS DEVELOPMENT WHETHER IT IS ON THE FOREFRONT ON THAT HARD CORNER OF THE SERVICE ROAD WHAT IS THAT 14TH? AM I READING THAT RIGHT? THERE WE GO 14TH. I DID NOT HAVE A BIG ISSUE WITH THAT AS FAR AS THE COLOR GOES A WHOLE LOT OF BLUE ACROSS THE STREET THAT WOULD TIE INTO JUST MY PERSONAL OPINION WHO IS NEXT?
GO AHEAD. >> LOOKING AT THE LANDSCAPE
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PLAN, WHICH I THINK IS WHAT YOU HAVE ON THE SCREEN RIGHT THERE.SO THE -- TALKING EARLIER ABOUT KIND OF THE ARCHITECTURE PRESENCE THROUGHOUT THE REST OF THE PROJECT.
OH, WE HAVE -- I THINK WE DID THE BUT IT HAD SOME LONG LULLS IN THERE. AND INSTEAD OF HAVING THEM KIND OF ZIGZAG ALL THE WAY BACK, WHAT WE DID WAS ASK THEM TO DO SOME MORE ENHANCED PERIMETER LANDSCAPING.
SOME MORE OF TREES, AND THAT'S WHAT I'M LOOKING AT.
THIS LANDSCAPE PLAN. I SEE SOME STUFF BY THE PARKING LOT. THERE'S A LOT OF GREEN FIELD TO THE SOUTH, TO THE -- WHAT WOULD BE THE EAST END.
TO THE NORTH ARE THE OTHER. SIDE OF THE ACCESS EASEMENT, WHERE SOME ADDITIONAL THINGS THAT COULD BE DONE THAT I THINK WOULD HELP TO KIND OF SOFTEN AND SCREEN SOME OF THIS FROM THE SURROUNDING DEVELOPMENT. AND SO I THINK IT'S A COOL THING ABOUT GOOD LANDSCAPING IS IF IT'S WELL MAINTAINED, IT LOOKS BETTER 30 YEARS FROM NOW. THEN IT DID ON THE DAY IT WAS PLANTED. THE UNFORTUNATE NATURE OF ANY BUILDING IS 30 YEARS AFTER IT GETS INITIAL CO, UNLESS IT IS REFURBISHED AND REHABILITATED. IT'S NOT GOING TO LOOK AS GOOD AS IT DID. AND SO I THINK FOR ME, THE COLOR PART OF IT NOTWITHSTANDING, IF WE COULD ADD SOME MORE TREES KIND OF IN THAT SOUTHERN AREA BELOW THE PARKING LOT IN THAT EASTERN AREA BETWEEN THE ACCESS EASEMENT AND THE PARKING, AND THEN OUTSIDE OF THAT 20-FOOT BUILD LINE, BEFORE THE OTHER ACCESS EASEMENT ON THE NORTH SIDE, I THINK THAT PROBABLY MAKES IT A LOT MORE PALATABLE.
SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S SOMETHING THE APPLICANT WOULD BE
INTERESTED IN DOING OR NOT. >> I WILL SAY THAT RECENT THAT WE HAVE THE TREES ON THE NORTH CLOSER TO THE PARK ARE THE OTHER SIDE OF THE ACCESS IT'S BECAUSE OF THE UTILITY LINES.
WE DID ASK THEM TO MOVE IT IN. SO THOSE TREES DON'T GET
WHACKED. >> I THINK THERE'S GOOD MASSING AND DENSITY ON THAT SIDE. OBVIOUSLY IT'S BETTER WHEN IT COMES TO VERY NICE TREES IN OUR COMMUNITY.
ESPECIALLY AS WE DRIVE THROUGH. BUT I THINK THE OTHER TWO AREAS REALLY ARE RIPE FOR THAT RIGHT NOW.
IT'S JUST SHOWING BERMUDA GRASS, WHICH LOOKS REAL GREEN UNTIL IT GETS HOT, AND THEN IT TURNS YELLOW AND THEN IT GETS GREEN AGAIN AFTER IT COOLS OFF. SO I THINK THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY THERE TO KIND OF SOFTEN SOME OF THE ARCHITECTURAL CONCERNS WITH VEGETATIVE OVERSTORY TREES.
>> WE ARE COMPLETELY SUPPORTIVE OF ADDING MORE TREES.
I THINK AS HARDIN WAS SAYING, AS WE GO TO THE OTHER SIDE OF THE ACCESS EASEMENT ON THE NORTH SIDE OR THE RIGHT HAND OF THIS IMAGE THAT I'M LOOKING AT, THERE ARE ACTIVITIES EVEN OUTSIDE OF THAT UTILITY EASEMENT.
SO THERE'S OVERHEAD POWER LINES, AND THEN THERE'S ALSO UTILITIES THAT ARE PRIVATE UTILITIES FEEDING THROUGH THERE.
SO IF WE CAN ADD THE OTHER LANDSCAPING ENTRIES, KIND OF SURROUNDING THAT ACCESS EASEMENT IS COMPLETELY FINE WITH US.
AND WE ARE SUPPORTIVE OF THAT. >> I REALLY THINK THAT MASSING THAT YOU HAVE ON THE NORTHERN SIDE WHERE YOU'RE SHOWING THE PLAN, ESSENTIALLY OVERSTORY TREES CONTINUED THAT PATTERN AROUND THE PERIMETER OF THE PROPERTY.
IT MAY DROP IN 10 TREES ON THERE.
THAT'S GOING TO HELP WITH THE ADDITIONAL PAVING FOR THE PARKING, WHICH IS REALLY THE CONCERN WITH THE PARKING AS EVEN MORE CONCRETELY PUT. THE LESS PERVIOUS COVER WE HAVE, THE TREES ARE IN GOOD OFFSET BECAUSE THEY PROVIDE SHADE THAT HELPS TO COOL THOSE THINGS. SO I THINK THAT WOULD BE A BENEFICIAL SOLUTION FOR BOTH THE CITY AND FOR YOU GUYS.
>> OKAY. >> MAYOR COFFMAN: CLARK?
>> I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. I'M JUST REPEATING MYSELF FROM EARLIER. I JUST FEEL LIKE WE HAVE A COMPLEX SET. WE ALREADY HAD AN AGREEMENT WITH BACK WHEN THEY GOT APPROVED. WE DIDN'T EVEN LET THOSE HEADS ON THEIR BUILDING. AND I RESPECT THE I RESPECT THE BLUE. THE MISSION.
BUT WE HAVE CONSISTENCY I EVEN WENT OVER AND LOOKED AT THE KROGER DEVELOPMENT AND IT'S CERTAIN COLORS.
THEY HAVE THE COLOR WRITING. ALL THE BUILDINGS ARE CONSISTENT TO THE SAME TONE OF COLORS. AND ARCHITECTURAL STYLE.
I MEAN, EVEN IF THE BLUE IS FINE WITH EVERYBODY, IT'S STILL IS GOING TO STICK OUT BECAUSE IT IS CLEARLY DIFFERENT THAN EVERYTHING ELSE. YEAH.
BUT THE COMPLEX IS ALL EARTH TONE.
YEAH. SO THAT'S JUST MY TWO CENTS.
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>> I GUESS BACK TO MR. SMITH RIGHT.
I HEARD YOU LOUD AND CLEAR THERE IS NO BUDGING ON THE BLUE.
WHICH THAT'S NOT. THAT I DON'T LIKE IT.
BUT I'M NOT GOING TO GET STUCK ON IT.
BUT TO FOX POINT EARLIER, THE REST OF THE BUILDING FACADE, HOW IT'S LOOKING IN COMPARISON TO THE OTHER BUILDINGS IN THE COMPLEX, HAS THAT BEEN CONSIDERED OR CAN YOU ADDRESS
THAT POINT UNMATCHING? >> YES.
SO NOT MATCHING, PERFECT, PERFECT.
IT'S IN THE SAME COLOR FAMILY. IT USES SOME OF THE SAME RETURNS THAT ARE CURRENTLY THERE NOW. WE JUST DON'T INTEND TO USE THE ORANGE BRICKS AND THINGS LIKE THAT BECAUSE THOSE ARE NOT CONSISTENT WITH OUR COLOR PALETTES.
>> I'M TALKING ABOUT THE STYLE OF THE BUILDING AND THE MAKE UP OF IT, NOT JUST COLORS. THE STYLE OF THE BUILDING.
I WOULD CONSIDER A LOT MORE MODERN.
I DON'T KNOW NECESSARILY WHAT OUR BUILDINGS WOULD FIT IN AS FAR AS ARCHITECTURAL STYLE. BUT WHAT'S THERE IS REPRESENTATIVE OF WHAT OUR BUILDINGS LOOK LIKE.
SO DO WE THINK THAT IT'S GOING TO BLEND IN AND BE PART OF THE COMMUNITY? ABSOLUTELY, BECAUSE WE BUILD THESE BUILDINGS ALL OVER DALLAS FORT WORTH AND ALL ACROSS THE STATE OF TEXAS. SO YES, YES, WE THINK WE CAN BE A PART OF THAT DEVELOPMENT AND BE A GOOD NEIGHBOR.
BUT MATCHING THEM TO THE T IS SOMETHING THAT WE'RE NOT GOING TO DO TOO MUCH THERE STYLE. AS IT CONFLICTS WITH OUR BRAND.
>> TO THE COUNCIL, I LOVE A GOOD BRAND.
I LOVE CHILDREN'S. I THINK IT'S ALL GREAT.
I JUST CAN'T RECONCILE HOW WE PUT OTHER CORPORATIONS AND BUSINESSES THROUGH THE RINGER. AND MAKE THEM WORKSHOP.
WE MAKE THEM COME BACK OVER AND OVER AGAIN.
WE GET DOWN TO EVERY DETAIL AND IF I VOTED YES FOR THIS, IT WOULD ONLY BE BECAUSE I LIKE THAT WHICH IS NOT RIGHT.
I WOULD LOVE FOR YOU ALL TO BE HERE, MAYBE SOMEWHERE ELSE.
BUT I JUST. I DON'T FEEL LIKE IT'S FAIR FOR ME IN GOOD CONSCIENCE TO VOTE YES FOR THIS WHEN WE PUT EVERY OTHER PERSON. WE JUST DID IT WITH LOWS UNWILLING WORKSHOPS, AND THEY DIDN'T EVEN INCLUDE THE BLUE.
I JUST, I DON'T FEEL LIKE IT'S RIGHT, FIT.
THAT'S JUST ONE VOTE. >> I WANT TO CLARIFY AS YOUR STATEMENT IS THAT YOU WOULD WANT US TO LOOK LIKE THE OTHER BUILDINGS THERE AND JUST PUT OUR SIGN ON IT, THAT'S WHAT I WANT
TO UNDERSTAND? >> MS. HAMMONDS: COMPLEMENTING THE OTHERS LIKE YOU'RE NOT ANYWHERE CLOSE.
COMPLEMENTING IT, I COULD EVEN DO THAT BLUE BECAUSE IT COULD BE ARGUED THAT THE TONE DOWN BLUE WOULD BE IF YOU KIND OF COMPLIMENT THE ORANGE AND THE DARK GRAYS AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF, IT LOOKS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING LIKE THE REST OF THERE.
SO EVEN THE STYLE OF THE FACADE, THE ARCHITECTURE, ALL OF THAT.
SO -- JUST EVEN BEING ABLE TO BE WILLING TO GET THERE.
I'M NOT HEARING. >> YEAH, AND WE'VE HAD CONVERSATIONS ABOUT THIS WITH OUR LEADERSHIP AND THE DIRECTION HAS BEEN WITH THIS SPECIFIC SITE THAT IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WE
WANT TO DO. >> MS. HAMMONDS: YEAH, AND THAT'S FAIR IN MY OPINION. THERE'S OTHER SITES FOR THAT.
>> MAYOR COFFMAN: OTHER DIALOG ON THIS CASE? I CALL IT TO A VOTE. IS THERE A MOTION?
>> I MAKE A MOTION TO DENY. >> MAYOR COFFMAN: A MOTION FROM DENY FROM MAYOR PRO TEM REDCLIFFE.
THAT IS SECURED BY COUNCILWOMAN PEARMAN'S.
PLEASE VOTE. IT LOOKS LIKE WE HAVE A SPLIT VOTE. SO THAT MOTION DID NOT PASS.
IS THERE AN ALTERNATIVE MOTION, I GUESS, WHICH I GUESS THERE WOULDN'T BE A FURTHER SOLUTION ON THIS.
IS THERE ANOTHER MOTION? >> I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE WITH A RECOMMENDATION THAT THE MASSING PATTERN OF THE TREES ALONG THE NORTHERN PROPERTY LINE BE CONTINUED TO THE HOUSTON AND SOUTHERN FROM DEEP LINE OF THE PROPERTY.
>> MAYOR COFFMAN: OKAY, A MOTION TO APPROVE WITH THE ITEMS THAT WERE STATED BY COUNCILMAN WEAVER, SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN SHEFFIELD. PLEASE VOTE.
WHEN THE ITEM PASSES FOR-2. ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU.
>> DID YOU GET HIS STIPULATION? OKAY.
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>> MAYOR COFFMAN: MOVING ON TO THE REGULAR AGENDA.
[2026-103 Consider and act upon authorizing the City Manager to enter into an agreement for professional services with BGE, Inc. for engineering-related design services associated with the Plant Interceptor Gravity Sanitary Sewer Main project in the amount of $670,900.]
ITEM 20361 IS WE CONSIDERING ADDRESSING MANAGER ENTER INTO EQUIPMENT FOR PROFESSIONAL SERVICES AS GE.FOR RELATED DESIGN SERVICES ASSOCIATED WITH THE CLIENT INTERCEPTOR SANITARY SEWER MAIN PROJECT OF $670,900.
>> GOOD EVENING MAYOR COUNCIL, THIS IS THE CONTINUATION OF PHASE THREE OF THE LIVE SESSION. SO EAST STATION IS TO THE SOUTHEAST OF THIS AREA. IS CURRENTLY UNDER CONSTRUCTION.
WE HAVE TWO PHASES. ONE IS FROM THIS STATION AND THE OTHER ONE IS THE GRAVITY MAIN. THIS ONE IS CALLED THE INTERCEPTOR. SERVICE LINE ORIGINALLY WAS THE CITY FACILITY THAT WAS TURNED OVER TO PR EIGHT YEARS AGO WHEN MURPHY WAS FORMED, AND THE REASON THAT WAS THAT WAS BECAUSE WHAT IS BEING PUMPED THROUGH THIS LINE FROM THE INVOLVES BOTH THE -- AND THE CITY OF PHOENIX. SO THE INTENT WAS TO MAKE IT A SYSTEM FACILITY. SO HERE ACTUALLY OWNS THIS LINE.
WE'RE AT THE POINT NOW WHERE THEY'RE DOING SOME INTERCEPTOR THAT WILL GO AWAY. SO THEY'LL NO LONGER HAVE -- GOING THROUGH THIS LINE. IT'LL BE EXCLUSIVELY.
SO IN ORDER FOR US TO HOPEFULLY SAVE MONEY BY DOING IT AS A CITY PROJECT INSTEAD OF A TREE PROJECT,.
>> MS. HAMMONDS: HAS AGREED ONCE THEY'RE DONE WITH -- THAT THEY WILL GIVE THIS BACK TO US. SO THIS LINE IS CURRENTLY AN EXISTING 18-INCH MAIN WE HAVE THAT'S COMING TO IT NOW AS PART OF PHASE TWO OF THE STATION. SO THIS LINE NEEDS TO BE UPSIZED AND SO WE ARE LOOKING AT ABOUT 6,300 LINEAR FEET OF LINE RANGING ANYWHERE FROM 18-INCH TO 54-INCH, WHEN YOU GET CLOSER TO THE PLANT. WE ALSO PLAN TO PUT A METRO STATION IN SUBMISSION ACTUALLY, NEEDS TO FLOW TO BE ABLE TO HELP WITH I AND I. ALSO BE ABLE TO VERIFY FLOWS THAT ARE COMING FROM MOUNT CREEK.
SO WE CAN CHARGE BASED ON OUR PERCENTAGE OF THAT FLOW.
SO THAT ALLOWS US TO BE ABLE TO ALSO CORRELATE AND BE ABLE TO VERIFY FLOWS THROUGHOUT THE SYSTEM.
THIS ITEM IS ON AIR IMPACT FEE, CIP.
SO IS ELIGIBLE FOR WASTEWATER IMPACT FEES.
THAT'S HOW WE'RE PROPOSING TO USE THOSE FEES FOR THIS DESIGN AS WELL AS THE CONSTRUCTION, WHEN WE GET TO THAT POINT.
THIS ITEM WAS PRESENTED TO -- ADVISORY BOARD BACK ON MARCH 19TH. AND IT WAS THE UNANIMOUS RECOMMENDATION OF THE UAB THAT THIS ITEM, BEFORE CITY COUNCIL FOR APPROVAL. AND I'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY
QUESTIONS. >> MAYOR COFFMAN: NO SPEAKERS? QUESTIONS ON THIS? NO QUESTIONS.
>> I MAKE A MOTION. >> MAYOR COFFMAN: ROSS?
>> MR. WEAVER: THIS IS A LINE THAT WE DON'T OWN.
WE WILL OWN. AND SO ARE WE REPLACING IT IN ITS ENTIRETY OR IS THIS A SECOND SEGMENT?
>> THE INTENT HERE WOULD BE WE ARE GOING TO LEAVE THE 18-INCH IN PLACE. WE'RE GOING TO PARALLEL IF THAT IS NOT IN BAD SHAPE. IT'S JUST TOO SMALL.
ULTIMATELY, EVERYTHING IS COMING FROM THE SOUTHEAST.
THE STATION AT THE EAST LIFT STATION GOES TO THIS LINE HERE.
AND SO THE INTENT IS WE WILL LEAVE MAJORITY OF THAT LINE IN PLACE. WE'LL PARALLEL IT WITH THE LARGER LINE, AND THEN IN THE FUTURE, 18 CAN GO AWAY WHEN IT REACHES ITS USEFUL LIFE. AND WE STILL HAVE THAT LOGIC LINE. SO WE WON'T HAVE TO PUT ANOTHER
LINE IN THE FUTURE. >> MR. WEAVER: OKAY, THAT MAKES
MORE SENSE. >> MAYOR COFFMAN: ANY FURTHER
>> MAYOR COFFMAN: A MOTION AND A SECOND.
PLEASE VOTE. ITEM PASSES, 6-0.
[2026-104 Consider and act upon a proposal from Pure Technologies U.S., Inc. for an in-service water pipeline leak detection assessment of the City’s treated water pipeline from the Tayman Water Treatment Plant to the N. 9th Street area in the amount of $86,500, plus contingency in the amount of $8,500, for a total amount of $95,000 and authorize the City Manager to negotiate and enter into an agreement for services.]
UNTIL 2026-414. PIPELINE LEAK DETECTION ASSESSMENT THE CITY'S WATER PIPELINES CONTAINMENT.WATER TREATMENT PLANT ON NORTH NINTH STREET AND THE AMOUNT OF 86,500 PLUS CONTINGENCY AMOUNT OF 8500, FOR A TOTAL AMOUNT OF 95,002 AUTHORIZE CITY MANAGER TO NEGOTIATE WITH ENTER INTO THE AGREEMENT FOR THE SERVICES, WITH.
>> THIS ITEM IS DOING A LEAK INSPECTION DETECTION ON OUR EXISTING 24-INCH WATER PIPELINE THAT COMES FROM THE TREATMENT PLANT IN THE TOWN. IT'S ROUGHLY 5 MILES, THAT IS A PIPE. IT HAS BEEN IN PLACE SINCE THE MID 80S. SO WE'VE NEVER DONE AN INSPECTION ON THIS PARTICULAR LINE.
WE ORIGINALLY HAD INTENDED TO ALSO DO AN ELECTROMAGNETIC INSPECTION ON IT. WHICH IS CONSIDERABLY MORE EXPENSIVE. HOWEVER, BECAUSE OF THE VALVES THAT WE HAVE IN THE SYSTEM FOR THAT PIECE OF EQUIPMENT CANNOT FLOAT THROUGH. AND SO IT CREATES ISSUES.
IT CAN BE HUNG UP AND CREATE PROBLEMS WITHIN THE SYSTEM.
WE ARE ACTUALLY JUST LOOKING TO DO THE LEAK DETECTION RIGHT NOW, WHAT THAT WILL DO IS IT WILL PICK UP THE SMALLEST LEAK, AND THAT WILL ALLOW US TO BE ABLE TO GET OUT TO DO REPAIRS BEFORE WE
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HAVE SOME TYPE OF CATASTROPHIC EVENT WITH THIS LINE.WE DO HAVE THE LINE COMING FROM THE PLANT.
AT THE SAME TIME, THIS IS THE PRIMARY THAT COMES FROM THE TEAM PLAN. WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE KEEPING UP WITH IT. WE ALSO ARE WORKING ON OUR STRATEGIC PLAN TO HAVE A PARALLEL LINE IN THE FUTURE.
THAT WILL HAVE A SECOND FEED AS WELL, COMING FROM THIS PLAN.
BUT THIS IS A UTILITY FUNDED ITEM, SO IT IS IN THE BUDGET THIS YEAR FOR THE UTILITY FUND. WE ALSO DISCUSSED THIS WITH THE UTILITY ADVISORY BOARD ON MARCH 19TH.
AND THEY ALSO HAD A RECOMMENDATION FOR CITY COUNCIL APPROVAL. WITH THAT, I'LL BE HAPPY TO
ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. >> MAYOR COFFMAN: ANY SPEAKERS? QUESTIONS ON THIS CASE? I'LL TAKE A MOTION.
>> MOTION TO APPROVE. >> REPORTER: SECOND.
>> MAYOR COFFMAN: MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN MOORMAN, SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN SHEFFIELD. PLEASE VOTE.
[2026-105 An ordinance of the City of Midlothian, Texas, amending the Code of Ordinances by amending Chapter 1 titled “General Provisions” by amending Article 1.08 titled “Parks and Recreation” by amending Division 1 titled “Generally” by amending Section 1.08.001 “Definitions” by adding “Amplified Sound” and Section 1.08.002 titled “Unlawful Acts” by amending Subsection (a)(3) to add any other device to launch or shoot a projectile and adding a new subsection (a)(13) to require approval for use of amplified sound equipment and renumbering following items and amending subsection (a)(18 now 19) to establish new hours for public parks, playgrounds and recreation areas and amending Section 1.08.004 “Enforcement” by amending subsection (b) “Ejectment” by adding police department: providing a repealing clause; providing a severability clause; providing a savings clause; providing for a penalty of fine not to exceed the sum of five hundred dollars ($500.00); and providing for an effective date. ]
202-6105. ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF TEXAS AMENDING THE CODE OF ORDINANCES BY AMENDING CHAPTER ONE GENERAL PROVISIONS BY AMENDING ARTICLE 108 TITLE PARKS AND RECREATIONBY EMBEDDING PROVISION ONE. >> : BY EMBEDDING SECTION 108 AMPLIFIED SOUND AND MONO 8.002 UNLAWFUL ACTS.
I'M GOING TO STOP READING THERE. >> GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. SO AS YOU READ THE SIMPLE CAPTION THERE, THIS IS JUST CHANGING SOME OF THE RULES IN THE ORDINANCE FOR RECREATION. WE HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT A LOT OF THESE SUGGESTIONS WERE MADE FROM THEM.
AS YOU ALL KNOW, WE'VE HAD SOME ACTIVITIES GOING ON IN THE PARKS AND PEOPLE GETTING A LITTLE OUT OF HAND.
SO WE'RE JUST TRYING TO WORK THIS BACK IN AND TURN IT DOWN AND MAKE IT EASIER FOR OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT TO HELP MANAGE WHAT'S GOING ON. SO ONE OF THEM, YOU'LL SEE IS AND SOME OF THESE ARE FROM COMPLAINTS OF OUR NEIGHBORS.
SO WE'RE TRYING TO BE GOOD NEIGHBOR.
SO AMPLIFIED SOUND WE'RE ADDING AND DEFINING THAT AMPLIFIED SOUND MUSIC OR SPEECH PROJECTED OR TRANSMITTED BY ARTIFICIAL MEANS, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO AMPLIFIERS LOUDSPEAKERS, AUTOMOBILE, OR PORTABLE SPEAKERS, OR ANY SIMILAR DEVICE.
SO THAT'S ONE ABOUT SOUND. THEN YOU GET TO.
PAIGE TWO IN THEIR TOO. NUMBER THREE.
AND WE ARE ADDING ON TO THE FIREARMS AND FIRECRACKERS WHERE WE ADD IN THERE OR ANY OTHER DEVICE WHERE THE COMMERCIALLY MANUFACTURED OR HOMEMADE. THAT IS DESIGNED FOR MODIFIED TO LAUNCH OR SHOOT A PROJECTILE. AND THAT SECTION DOES NOT PRECLUDE A PERSON FROM CARRYING A HANDGUN WITHIN A PARK IN ACCORDANCE WITH STATE LAW. THEN WE MOVE OVER TO PAGE 3 TO NUMBER 13. AND IT IS, AGAIN, ADDRESSING AMPLIFIED SOUND TO USE FOR ALLOW TO BE USED.
ANY TYPE OF AMPLIFIED SOUND EQUIPMENT WITHOUT PRIOR APPROVAL FROM THE DIRECTOR OR DESIGNEE. SO SOME OF OUR TOURNAMENTS, SOME PEOPLE FROM WE HAVE A WEDDING, THEY USE AMPLIFIED SOUND.
SO IT'S JUST MAKING SURE IT'S SOMETHING REASONABLE.
AND THEN ON PAGE 3 AS WELL, NUMBER 19.
-- AFTER MANY DISCUSSIONS, WE DISCUSSED THAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT REDUCING THAT THE PARKS ARE OPEN.
SO CURRENTLY THEY ARE FROM 5:00 A.M. TO 11:00 PM.
AND NOW WE ARE SUGGESTING THAT THEY GO BACK TO 10:00 PM.
JUST TO TONE OF THIS DOWN, JUST BECAUSE IT'S BEEN A CHALLENGE WITH OUR NEIGHBORS. THAT WOULD NOT EXCLUDE US FROM HAVING TOURNAMENTS OR SPECIAL EVENTS OR IF SOMEONE APPLIED FOR A SPECIAL EVENT PERMIT. THEY WOULD HAVE TO HAVE PERMISSION FROM THE PARKS DEPARTMENT OR CITY COUNCIL, DEPENDING ON WHAT THE EVENT WAS. SO SOME OF OUR FACEBOOK SOME OF OUR SPORTS GOES OVER IT. IT'S KIND OF CLEARING THAT GENERAL POPULATION, WHERE WE'RE GETTING SOME OF THIS ROWDY BEHAVIOR GOING ON LATE IN THE EVENING.
AND THEN THE LAST ONE IS ON PAGD IT'S ON LETTER B FOR EJECTMENT.
IT TALKS ABOUT RIGHT NOW THE CITY MANAGER OR HIS DESIGNATED PART ATTENDANCE THAT ARE DESIGNATED BY THE CITY MANAGER.
BUT WE ADDED IN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
SO IF POLICE, IN AND PEOPLE ARE ACTING CRAZY AND THEY FEEL LIKE IT'S TIME TO HAVE THEM LEAVE THE PARK, THEY'RE ABLE TO HAVE THEM LEAVE THE PARK. PARK MANY TIMES, IF WE DO A CRIMINAL TRESPASS, IT HAS TO BE SOMEONE FROM THE PARKS
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DEPARTMENT THAT SAYS THAT THIS GIVES POLICE OPPORTUNITY TO EITHER REMOVE THEM FROM THE PARK.WITHOUT THEM NOT NECESSARILY GOING TO JAIL, JUST EVERYONE LEAVE -- YOU NEED TO LEAVE RIGHT NOW.
SO -- AND THE OTHER BACKUP WITH THAT IS IF WE DON'T LEAVE, WE'RE GOING TO CRIMINAL TRESPASS YOU OR HOWEVER MUCH FURTHER IT GETS OUT OF HAND. SO THOSE ARE THE GENERAL UPDATES TO THAT. SO I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. SPEAK KIND OF LIKE THE IDEA OF CHRIS BEING OUT THERE ALL THE TIME.
>> HE LOVES PARKS. >> MAYOR COFFMAN: ROSS, YOUR
FIRST. >> MR. WEAVER: THE ONLY QUESTION I HAD WAS ON NUMBER 19. SO I KNOW ESPECIALLY WITH COMMITTEE PARK, I KNOW A LOT OF PEOPLE USE THAT FOR EXERCISE RUNNING, WALKING AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
SO AT THIS POINT IN TIME NOW, IF SOMEBODY OUT THERE BETWEEN 10:00 AND 11:00 OH, GETTING THEIR JOG IN, ESPECIALLY DURING THE SUMMER WHEN IT'S HOT UNTIL ABOUT 10:00 OR 11:00 ARE THEY IN VIOLATION F
THIS ORDINANCE? >> SO THIS IS JUST AN OUTLET CHIEF BROWN, SPEAK TO THIS. BUT THE WAY I UNDERSTAND IT IS OUR NEIGHBORS ARE COMING IN AND THEY'RE LOGGING INTO THE PARK AND THEY'RE GOING FOR A WALK, AND THEY AREN'T CAUSING A PROBLEM, THEY'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE A PROBLEM.
BUT WHEN WE'VE GOT THE CARS DRIVING IN, FILLING OUT EVERYWHERE AND THE TEENAGERS SHOOTING FIREWORKS IN THE MIDDLE OF THE PARK, AND THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE A PROBLEM.
>> MR. WEAVER: WHICH I RESPECT, BY THE WAY, IT'S WRITTEN, IS TIME IN WHICH PARKS, WHICH I ASSUME IS THE WHOLE THING.
PLAYGROUNDS AND RECREATIONAL AREAS ARE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC, HERE. SO WHEN WE SAY PARKS, I GET IT, PLAYGROUNDS AND RECREATIONAL AREAS.
THOSE ARE MORE ORGANIZED COLLECTIVE MEETING SPACES, GROUPING SPACES. BUT IF I'M TEXTING, LISTING, I WANT THAT MAYBE I WORK THIRD SHIFT AND I WANT TO GO FOR A WALK AT 3:00 A.M. OR WHATEVER IT IS, BECAUSE THAT'S WHEN I GET TO
EXERCISE. >> IT WOULD BE IN VIOLATION.
>> MR. WEAVER: RIGHT. AND SO THEN WE HAVE, LET'S SAY WE HAVE A RESIDENT IN NEIGHBORING, WHO SAYS, HEY.
THERE'S SOME DUDE WALKING IN THE PARK AT 2:00 AM.
I'M GOING TO CALL 911 OFFICERS RESPOND.
WHAT ARE WE DOING AT THAT POINT? >> THAT GIVES THE OFFICERS A
REASON TO HAVE A CONVERSATION. >> MR. WEAVER: RIGHT, INFORMED THEM THAT THEY'RE NOT ALLOWED TO BE THERE AT THAT TIME OF DAY.
>> GIVE THEM A TICKET OR ARREST THEM.
>> MR. WEAVER: OKAY. >> AND IF THEY DID THAT AT 2:00 AM I NOW, THEY'D BE IN VIOLATION OF THE ORDINANCE.
>> MR. WEAVER: RIGHT. >> BUT YES.
I THINK IT'S A TOOL. >> IS THERE AWAY THAT THAT, THAT, THAT THE VERBIAGE CAN BE MANIPULATED OR SOMETHING? I DON'T KNOW. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT VERBIAGE COULD BE. BUT THERE HAVE BEEN TIMES WHERE I COULDN'T SLEEP AND I TOOK MY BOX AT 2:00 IN THE MORNING.
>> JUST DON'T TAKE IT IN THE PARK.
[LAUGHTER] >> YOU CAN WALK DOWN TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD STREET, JUST KNOCK THE PARK.
>> I DID A LOT OF RESEARCH. SO SOME OF THEM CHANGE.
SAVING TIME. SOME OF THEM FOR NINE.
IT IS WHAT IT IS AT 10:00 TO 11:00, NOW.
>> MR. SHUFFIELD: AND I APPRECIATE THAT.
CERTAINLY DIDN'T UNDERSTAND IT. AND I DON'T WANT TO PUT YOU OR ANY OTHER STAFF, IN AN AWKWARD SITUATION, AT THE CONVERSATION, WELL, UP. WE GOT SOME WE WAIT HERE.
LET'S PUT THE NEXT PERSON, THE NEXT NIGHT HAS SOMEBODY ELSE TALKING AND YOU GOT TO GET OUT OF HERE.
YOU KNOW THAT LETTER OF THAT LAW.
AND THAT'S GOING TO BE AWKWARD. WITH CITIZENS AND STAFF AND WITH POLICE DEPARTMENT AND ALL THAT. I JUST DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S WHERE WE NEED TO GO.
>> IT'S NO DIFFERENT THAN A SEATBELT VIOLATION.
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RELAXING WALK.>> MR. SHUFFIELD: IT'S PROBABLY GOING TO BE GETTING MORE INTO OUR QUICKNESS WHEN. POINT, SOMEBODY THAT'S OUT THERE THAT THEY CAN'T SLEEP AND THEY LOOK OUT THAT WINDOW.
THEY'RE DRIVING HOME FROM WORK AND THEY SEE SOMETHING AND THEY CALL THAT IT SOMETHING LIKE THIS.
AND THERE'S NOT A BIG GROUP. THERE'S NOT A LOT OF FIREWORKS GOING ON AND THINGS HAPPEN. I CAN DISAGREE WITH THIS.
AND THEN REQUEST THAT MAYBE SOMEBODY SPEND SOME TIME THINKING ABOUT IT AND SEE IF THERE'S SOME VERBIAGE THAT MAYBE
THAT COULD BE TWEAKED. >> FOR THIS TYPE OF ORDINANCE, THE ONLY WAY TO TWEAK, THAT YOU CAN'T HAVE IT FORWARD DISCRETIONARY. IT'S --
>> IS THERE NO WAY, JO, TO CARVE OUT ALL OF THE AREAS OUTSIDE OF
THE ACTUAL WALKING SIDEWALK? >> THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION.
THE 14TH STREET SIDEWALK CONSIDERED PART OF THE PARK?
>> NOW, IT'S ON THE PUBLIC ROAD. SO YOU CAN WALK UP THAT.
BUT YOU HAVE NOT GONE PAST. >> SO IT'S AN INTERNAL AREA OF THE PARK THAT'S? OKAY.
SPECIFIC TO COMMUNITY. >> IT WILL HAVE TO BE WELL MARKED. SO PEOPLE KNOW THAT THIS PARK IS CLOSED AT 10:00. BE SURPRISED WITH.
>> YEAH. >> AND THERE ARE PARKED HOURS AT THE PARK THAT WE NEED TO CHANGE, IF YOU VOTE FOR THIS.
>> SO PERSONALLY, I LIKE A LOT OF THE CHANGES.
THAT I'VE GOT THAT I WOULDN'T SAY SIGNIFICANT.
PROBABLY MINOR CONCERNS ABOUT A COUPLE OF SPECIFICS ON IT.
ONE BEING WHAT WE JUST DISCUSSED.
BUT ON THE FLIP SIDE, JUST TO GIVE MY OPINION ON IT, I LOVE SECTION 1.08.0 FOR ENFORCEMENT, ADDING THE POLICE DEPARTMENT TO THAT BIT. I THINK THAT'S COMPLETELY APPROPRIATE. I THINK IT'S SILLY FOR LACK OF A BETTER WAY TO PUT IT, THAT THEY WOULD HAVE TO COME GET A SCRIPT AND ESPECIALLY IN THE EVENING OR SOMETHING.
>> TO YOUR POINT, A LOT OF TIMEN GREAT --
>> MR. MOORMAN: YEAH, I'M SURE THEY ARE.
BUT THAT MAKES A LOT OF SENSE. I UNDERSTAND THE CONCEPT OF THE AMPLIFIED SOUND. OUR I UNDERSTAND THE INTENTION, ON THE AMPLIFIED SOUND BIT. MY ONLY CONCERN WAS THE DEFINITION WE'VE GOT HERE. IS THE -- JUST MY PERSONAL EXPERIENCE. I'D LIKE TO TAKE MY VOICE UP TO THAT LITTLE FISHING POND DURING DAYTIME HOURS, MAYBE ON THAT I'M AFTER SOMETHING, A LITTLE CANOPY, SIT THERE, TURN ON SOME MUSIC. NOT DISRUPTING.
WHERE OBVIOUSLY VERY COGNIZANT OF THE FACT THAT THERE'S HOUSES THERE. SO NOT BLASTING MUSIC THERE.
BUT ACCORDING TO THE VERBIAGE ON IT, THAT WOULD NOT BE INAPPROPRIATE ACTIVITY. AND I KNOW A LOT OF FOLKS DO THAT PARTICULAR -- PARTICULARLY DURING DAYTIME HOURS, BECAUSE MOST FOLKS WITH COMMON SENSE NO, HEY, ONCE IT GETS DARK, WE DON'T NEED TO BE PLAYING MUSIC BECAUSE THERE'S HOUSES.
I KNOW EVERYBODY DOESN'T HAVE THAT COMMON SENSE.
THAT'S WHY WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS.
WITH THAT, MY PERSONAL OPINION IS I'M ALL FOR THAT.
I JUST FEEL LIKE THAT SHOULD HAVE A TIME CONSTRAINT ON IT OR JUST AN AFTER DARK CONSTRAINT. IT'S HEY, ONCE THE SUN GOES DOWN, AMPLIFIED SOUNDS DONE, THAT'S MY SUGGESTION.
I'M ASSUMING WE COULD DO THAT WITHIN IT.
BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE DURING DAYTIME HOURS, THAT'S PROBABLY NOT -- AND YOU CAN CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG.
THAT'S PROBABLY NOT THE HIGH TIME OF THE COMPLAINTS.
IT'S PROBABLY ONCE THE SUN GOES DOWN, ONCE PEOPLE START GETTING KIDS READY FOR BED OR THAT KIND OF THING.
SO THAT'S MY -- I TOTALLY UNDERSTAND THE INTENTIONALITY BEHIND IT. THE OTHER QUESTION I HAD FOR CHIEF, OR I GUESS ONE OF Y'ALL, ON THE PROJECTILE SHOOTING, AGAIN, UNDERSTAND WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE AND WHAT THE INTENTIONALITY IS BUT DOES THAT -- WOULD THAT INCLUDE WATER
GUNS? >> YEAH, THE SPIRIT BEHIND THIS, I BELIEVE THEY CALL THEM THE SWEAT GLANDS FOR THE -- SORRY, I THOUGHT I WAS PLAYING AN OUTFIT.
I DON'T WANT TO GET IN TROUBLE. THE SPIRIT BEHIND THAT, THE WATER. PLEASE, I BELIEVE THEY'RE
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CALLED. WE SEE A LOT OF THOSE OUT THERE AND THE KIDS THAT ARE OUT THERE SHOOTING THOSE.BUT BUT YEAH, I THINK BY DEFINITION THEY'RE, ADVICE THAT MANUFACTURER TO -- I DON'T KNOW THAT WOULD BE A PROJECTILE YEAH. SO I DON'T THINK THAT.
>> MR. MOORMAN: SO THAT'S A GOOD CLARIFICATION AND THAT THE OTHER THING I HAD A QUESTION ON THAT SAME AREA, IT WOULD A NERF GUN BE CONSIDERED THAT? AND IS THERE A IS THERE ANY WAY? JUST LIKE WE'VE GOT SOME EXCLUSIVES HERE CLARIFICATIONS COULD WE PUT A CLARIFICATION TO SAY EXCLUDING NERF STYLE
CHILDREN'S -- >> CHIEF BROWN: ONE ISSUE, IF I MAY, IS THAT UNDER SHOOTING AT EACH OTHER, THAT'S ONE THING.
THAT'S NOT WHAT THEY'RE DOING FOR THEY START THAT WAY.
AND THEN AFTER A FEW HOURS, COMING THEY'RE SHOOTING A PERSON THAT'S OUT TALKING TO THEIR DOG. AND WE GET.
I WON'T SAY A LOT COMPLAINTS. DEFINITELY STRATEGIES WITH GUNS
AND FITNESS. >> MR. MOORMAN: I SEE.
>> SOME OF THOSE NERF GUNS ARE AGGRESSIVE.
>> CHIEF BROWN: IT'S ANNOYING. >> MR. MOORMAN: I GET THAT.
ALSO IT'S A BIT IF THEY CAN GO SHOOTING GUNS IN A PARK.
I DON'T KNOW I JUST HAVE CONFLICTED FEELINGS ABOUT IT.
I UNDERSTAND IT'S A BAD ACTORS ARE WHAT THE INTENTION IS AROUND IT. BUT ALSO I JUST HATE TO SEE A SITUATION WHERE AGAIN, NOT TO SAY THIS WOULD HAPPEN.
BUT IT VERY WELL COULD BECAUSE SOME PEOPLE ARE PARENTS.
AND IF THERE'S A BUNCH OF FOLKS OUT SOME.
OUT THERE SHOOTING NERF GUNS IN THE MIDDLE OF A FIELD, NOT MESSING WITH NOBODY AND THE CALL SOMEBODY OUT THERE, IT'S LIKE, NOW THEY'VE GOT TO GO TO THESE POOR KIDS AND BE LIKE, HEY, STOP. SO I DON'T KNOW, BUT THOSE ARE MY CONCERNS. COME AGAIN, NOT -- I WOULDN'T SAY IT'S. JUST MINOR CONCERNS WITH IT.
EVERYTHING ELSE, I'M PRETTY SUPPORTIVE OF IT.
I WOULD LIKE TO SEE A AT DARK CLARIFICATION ON THE AMPLIFIED SOUND. JUST ONE ATOM --
>> SOME OF THE COMPLAINTS I'VE RECEIVED HAVE BEEN AROUND THE TIMES. IT'S PRIMARILY BASKETBALL AND VOLLEYBALL, THAT AREAS THAT THEY'RE JUST PROJECTING THE MUSIC DIRECTLY TOWARDS PEOPLE'S HOME.
>> CHIEF BROWN: WEEKENDS HAVE BEEN PRETTY ACTIVE AND DURING THE DAYLIGHT HOURS. SOME MUSIC.
>> I GET IT. IT'S A PARK AND WE CERTAINLY DON'T WANT TO STIFLE FUN. BUT THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS THAT YOU CAN'T DO IN PUBLIC SPACES THAT YOU CAN DO ELSEWHERE BUT IF YOU WANT TO TAKE A LOOK AT 3:00 IN THE MORNING, YOU CAN LIKE YOU CAN WALK OTHER AREAS. THERE'S SOLUTIONS TO ALL THESE ISSUES. SO I JUST THINK THAT THERE'S HEALTHY ALTERNATIVES FOR SOME OF THE CONCERNS THAT HAVE BEEN
RAISED. >> MR. MOORMAN: I DON'T DISAGREE IN PRINCIPLE WITH YOU. BUT WE DO HAVE A LOT OF DENSE DEVELOPMENT TAKING PLACE, WHETHER IT'S WHERE THERE'S NOT A TON OF OPEN SPACE OUTSIDE OF OUR PARKS.
SO THAT'S MORE MY CONCERN IS. WHEREAS BACK IN THE DAY WHEN EVERYTHING WAS WHEN PLUS, OR HAVE LOTS OF, HEY, GO TO SOMEBODY'S BACKYARD OR GO TO THIS GOOD WE'RE SEEING AS WE GET MORE DENSE, THERE'S JUST LESS OPPORTUNITY FOR THAT.
THAT'S MY PRIMARY CONCERN. >> MAYOR COFFMAN: I UNDERSTAND THAT THE OF THE LAW AND THE WAY THAT IT'S GOING TO BE WRITTEN AND HOW THE ORDINANCE WILL BE WORDED MATTERS, OBVIOUSLY, WE ALSO HAVE REALLY GOOD OFFICERS WHO PROBABLY AREN'T GOING TO INTEGRATE TO A SIX-YEAR-OLD. SHOULDN'T A NERF GUN, PROBABLY JUST GOING TO ASK THEM TO STOP SHOOTING THAT NERF GUN.
I THINK THAT THERE'S JUDGMENT THERE THAT WE HAVE PROVEN THROUGHOUT THE YEARS IN OUR DEPARTMENT.
AND THAT WE USE A LEVEL HEADS AS WE APPROACH THESE THINGS.
>> AND I DO GET THAT THE WAY IT'S WRITTEN, WE COULD BE ENFORCING EVERY LITTLE THING. IT'S ACTUALLY JUST A TOOL FOR OFFICERS TO UTILIZE WHEN SOMEONE'S ABUSING SOMETHING COULD WE DRIVE BY ALL THE TIME AND PEOPLE HAVE MUSIC AND THEY'RE DOING STUFF AND HEY, HEY, AND KEEP GOING.
SO IT'S JUST THESE ABUSE WHEN THEY'RE BLASTING IT AND WE'RE GETTING NEIGHBORS CALLS AND WE DID HAVE A.
>> : DIRECTOR WHO TURNED ON THE MUSIC AT 6:00 A.M. AND I THINK I HAD 7:CALLS ABOUT THAT ON MONDAY.
SO WE PUT THAT IN EVERYTHING. SO IT'S JUST TRYING TO HAVE THE TOOLS TO STOP THAT ACTORS. BUT I GET WHERE IT COULD BE.
IF SOMEONE'S BEING SENSITIVE AND IF YOU'RE GOING TO USE THEIR
JUDGMENT. >> MAYOR COFFMAN: OKAY.
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CCLARK? >> MR. WICKLIFFE: I'M FINE WITH EVERYTHING. I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
I JUST WANTED TO HAVE A CONVERSATION AROUND THE 10:00 PM, 11:00 PM. MOSTLY IN THE SUMMER MONTHS, I KNOW YOU SAID IT'S DIFFERENT EVERYWHERE.
BUT I GUESS IT WAS TIME TO CHANGE MORE THAN ANYTHING.
I MEAN, IN THE SUMMER, IT COULD BE 8:00 AT NIGHT, 9:00 AT NIGHT AND STILL BE PRETTY DAYLIGHT OR STILL TWO-POINT, UNLESS SUMMER.
IT WAS SO HOT I DIDN'T TAKE MY KIDS TO GO PLAY MOST OF THE TIME UNTIL 8:00 OR 9:00 BECAUSE I WAS SLEEPING BEDTIME FOR SUMMER.
BUT THAT'S SO I WON'T SAY THIS MUCH.
I CAN'T EVEN TAKE MY KIDS TO, WE ANYMORE BECAUSE IT'S GOTTEN SO OUT OF HAND. SO I AM FULLY ON BOARD ON MARKING THAT DOWN. BUT I DO HAVE SOMEWHAT OF A HEARTBURN UNDER 10, O'CLOCK FILM, WHICH I KNOW YOU HAD TO PICK ANY TIME. SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I'M THE ONLY ONE WHO FEELS THAT WAY.
OR MAYBE IT'S WITH TIME CHANGE. I'M MORE CONCERNED ABOUT THE SUMMER MONTHS WITH WRITTEN IN TIME CHANGE WHEN IT GETS DARK AT 4:00. WHATEVER.
BUT -- >> WHY DON'T WE JUST CALL THE
HUMIDITY PARK OUT? >> ARE WE SAYING BETWEEN THE 10:00 TO 11:00? ARE WE SAYING THAT'S A BIG TIME?
>> THE PROBLEM IS YOU HAVE PEOPLE TRYING TO GO TO BED,
RIGHT, THE KID. >> IT'S BEEN RELATIVELY QUIET WITH THE EXCEPTION OF SPRING BREAK WEEK, GRADUATION, IS GOING TO BE UPON US, SO IT'S GOING TO BE OKAY, IF AFTER GOING FORWARD AND FOR PREPARED FOR THAT. SO --
>> , AT BEDTIME. SPEAKING WITH HIM, THAT WAITING FOR THOSE HOUSES BACK UP TO PICKLEBALL, VOLLEYBALL, AND BASKETBALL, ALL RIGHT, I FEEL FOR THOSE NEIGHBORS WHO'D.
>> I MIGHT BE THE BAD GUY HERE. THEY KNEW WHAT THEY MOVED IN NEXT. I WOULD FULLY AGREE WITH THE AMPLIFIED SOUND OR ANYTHING. IF I'M ON A PLAYGROUND AT 10:00 BECAUSE IT'S HOT HERE IN JULY, AND I I'M NOT LETTING MY KIDS, NORMALLY USE KID, AND SO WHAT WE'RE SEEING IS NOT NORMAL USAGE. WE'RE SEEING IT OVERRUN WITH --
>> NO, I AGREE. I DON'T EVEN LIKE GOING TO COMMUNITY MORE BECAUSE IT'S PRETTY OUT OF HAND EVERY TIME I
GO. >> EVEN HAVE TO SEE THE 710.
THEY'RE LIKE. >> MR. WICKLIFFE: I DRIVE, PAST, I MUST HAVE SEEN PEOPLE PARKING LATE IN THE EVENING.
SO I'M NOT GOING TO GET HELD UP ON.
I JUST I JUST DIDN'T KNOW THERE WAS A CONVERSATION ABOUT MAYBE IN THE SUMMERS BECAUSE IT'S SO HOT, WE LET IT ROLL TO 11 OR IF ANYONE WANTS TO -- I'LL GO WITH 10.
I'M JUST -- IT SEEMS KIND OF EARLY IN THE SUMMER.
>> I FEEL LIKE IT'S GOOD WHENEVER I THINK OF IT WITH THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE THERE, BECAUSE IT'S NOT LIKE IT'S GOING TO HIT 10:00 AND THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN IT'S QUIET.
IF IT'S A PROBLEM, COMING, IT'S GOING TO BE WELL AFTER THAT.
BY THE TIME THEY'RE BROUGHT IN. AND SO THEN IF IT WERE 11 WE'RE GOING INTO MIDNIGHT. AND AGAIN, THIS ENTIRE ORDINANCE IS REALLY TO USE AS A BACKUP WHEN IT'S NEEDED BECAUSE IT'S OUT OF LINE. SO IF YOU'RE PUSHING THE KIDS, WHICH I THINK YOU'RE CRAZY TO KEEP YOUR KIDS TO A PLAYGROUND AT 10:00 AT NIGHT ANYWAY. BUT I MEAN, I GUESS I GO TO BED WAY TOO EARLY. BUT I DON'T THINK YOU'RE THE
>> MS. HAMMONDS: APPARENTLY -- >> I HAVE HEARD THERE'S A AN ORDINANCE THAT SAYS NO HOOTING AND HOLLERING AFTER MIDNIGHT.
YOU CAN ROLL WITH THAT. >> MAYOR COFFMAN: ROSS?
>> MR. WEAVER: I'M GOING TO ECHO WITH CLARK AND SAYING THERE ANYTIME WE MAKE CHANGES LIKE THIS, THERE'S A POTENTIAL FOR UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES, WHICH WAS KIND OF THE POINT OF SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WERE BROUGHT UP SOME OF ELLEN BROUGHT UP THERE AS WELL, I DO THINK THAT OUR DOES A GOOD JOB OF COMMON SENSE ENFORCEMENT. AND THEN YOU'VE GOT TO BALANCE THAT BETWEEN THE COMPLAINT STYLE THAT THESE TYPES I DOUBT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE UNDERCOVER OFFICERS OUT THERE DOING AMPLIFIED, SPEAKER STINGS. I MEAN, THIS IS GOING TO BE MORE ON A COMPLETE BASIS LIKE WE DO WITH ZONING VIOLATIONS OR STUFF OF THAT NATURE. AND ENFORCING IT AS PROBLEMS OCCUR. AND IT HOPEFULLY WE CAN GET AWAY WITH MOST OF THESE THINGS. IF YOU'RE NOT BEING A NUISANCE ABOUT IT ON A GENERAL BASIS. SO I DO AGREE THAT I THINK WE NEED TO ENSURE THAT OUR PART IS WELL MAINTAINED AND PROTECTED AND FREE TO BE USED BY OUR CITIZENS.
I JUST WANT TO ENSURE THAT WE DON'T GET SO CAUGHT UP IN PROTECTING IT THAT WE NOW MAKE IT HARDER FOR OUR CITIZENS TO USE. AND THAT'S THE BALANCE, BETWEEN THE SECURITY AND FREEDOM. IT'S ALWAYS EXISTING.
IT'S A STRING. I'M KIND OF OF THE OPINION LET'S SEE HOW THESE OTHER CHANGES AND TOOLS WE PUT IN HERE ALLOW PT TO DEAL WITH THE PROBLEMS AS THEY ARISE, AND THAT DOESN'T LIMIT
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THE TIME THAT ARE USED TO BE ABLE TO USE THE FACILITIES.IT DOES STRENGTHEN THE ENFORCEMENT ABILITY OF THOSE BAD ACTORS. AND SEE HOW THAT SHAKES OUT.
AND THEN IF IT DOESN'T GET THE DESIRED RESULT, THEN WE CAN ALWAYS COME BACK IN AND LIFTED THEM TO 10:00 PM.
BUT WITH ALL THE OTHER CHANGES MAKING GOING INTO THAT SUMMER SEASON, I'M KIND OF THAT CLOCK. LET'S LEAVE THE 11 AND SEE HOW THESE OTHER TOOLS STICK WITH OUR OFFICERS AND OUR PARK STAFF TO BETTER ADMINISTRATE THAT FACILITY FOR OUR RESIDENTS.
AND THEN IF IT'S NOT WORKING, THEY CAN COME BACK AND SAY, HERE, YOUR EXPERIMENT DIDN'T WORK.
WE NEED TO GO AHEAD AND ROLL THAT BACK TO 10:00.
>> MAYOR COFFMAN: WAYNE? >> MR. SHUFFIELD: AND ADD ASPECT. AND I AGREE WITH WHAT THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT THAT THE EXAMPLE POPPED IN MY HEAD, WHEN WE HAVE FOOTAGE LIKE CELEBRATION FIREWORKS AT 9.
AND PEOPLE SITTING AT THE BACK OF THEIR PICKUP OR IN THE PARKING LOT, AND THEY LAUNCH IT AND THEY'RE PLAYING STAR SPANGLED BANNER, VIOLATING THIS ORDINANCE WITH THAT, WITH THE SOUND, AND THEN THE PARK CLOSES AT 10:00 AND THAT MEANS THE GATES ARE GOING TO BE LOCKED, AND NOW PEOPLE ARE TRYING TO STASH. I I CAN SEE SOME UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES BASED UPON SOME OF THIS.
AND I AGREE TOTALLY COME DOING SOMETHING TO GIVE MORE TEETH TO THE OPPORTUNITY FOR BAD ACTORS. WITHOUT VIOLATING SOME -- TO SOME DEGREE AS I CAN SEE SOME OF THESE AS MR. MOORMAN POINTED OUT, A FEW THOUGHTS THAT I HADN'T THOUGHT ABOUT THAT WHILE IT'S SOME OTHER STATINS FROM USE OF THE PARK.
AND SO I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S TWO OR THREE OF THESE ITEMS, IF THERE'S SOME KIND OF STASH OTHER THAN THANK YOU FOR ALL YOU DO AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR JUDGMENT AND COMMON SENSE THAT YOU ALL USE. OTHER THAN THAT, IT'S BEEN THAT
WE GO TO THIS ROUTE. >> ABOUT THE CONCERTS THAT THAT WOULD BE EXCLUDED BECAUSE THAT WOULD BE THE -- SO THAT WOULD BE
THE SOLUTIONS TO THIS. >> MAYOR COFFMAN: LET'S MOVE ALONG. IS THERE A MOTION THAT SOMEBODY WANTS TO MAKE
>> I MAKE A MOTION AS PRESENTED WITH THAT REMOVAL OF THE CHANGE IN ITEM 19 REDUCING THE TIME FROM 11:00 PM TO 10:00 PM AT THE
>> MAYOR COFFMAN: IS THAT CLEAR? MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN WEAVER, SECOND BY COUNCILMAN SHUFFIELD.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU, HEATHER.
[2026-106 Consider and act upon authorizing the City Manager to negotiate and execute a Contract with Dean Electric, Inc. (dba Dean Construction), Cedar Hill, Texas, Construction Manager at Risk (the CMAR), with the GMP package for site work, utilities and amenity improvements for Heritage Park, Back Alley Plaza and railroad property.]
>> THANK YOU. >> MAYOR COFFMAN: OUR FINAL ITEM 23606 CONSIDER ACT UPON AUTHORIZING CITY MANAGER TO NEGOTIATE AND EXECUTE A CONTRACT WITH ELECTRIC.
HE SAID CEDAR? CONSTRUCTION MANAGER AT RISK WITH GMP PACKAGE, ETC. UTILITIES AND AMENITY IMPROVEMENTS FOR HERITAGE PARK. COMING PLAZA AND RAILWAY PROPERTY 53 GO, HEATHER, COUNSELOR, BASED ON FEEDBACK, THIS HAS BEEN A LONG PROCESS WITH EVERYONE IS AWARE OF BASED UPON FEEDBACK THAT STAFF HAS GOTTEN SO THE COUNCIL, DAYS BROKEN OPTIONS DOWN TO AN A LA CARTE APPROACH.
AND WE'RE GOING TO HAVE SOME HEALTHY DISCUSSION AND DIALOG ABOUT THIS TOPIC TONIGHT. ULTIMATELY, WHENEVER WE MOVE TO MAKE A MOTION. SO WE'RE GOING TO TAKE THREE SEPARATE MOTIONS, 1 FOR EACH OPTION.
SO I JUST WANTED EVERYONE TO BE AWARE THAT THAT'S GOING TO BE MY APPROACH TONIGHT TO TAKE A VOTE FOR ALL THREE OPTIONS AS WE GO FORWARD FOR IT. THAT WAY, IF YOU WANTED TO AND CHOSE TO COME, YOU COULD SUPPORT PART OF IT.
ALL OF IT OR VICE VERSA. SO THAT'S THE APPROACH.
HEATHER. WE SAVED THE BEST FOR LAST.
SO I'M HAPPY TO BE HERE THIS EVENING AND TO BRING THIS EXCITING PROJECT FORWARD TO YOU ALL, COULD I HAVE HENRY PARKER HERE WITH PARK HILL PROVIDING DESIGN AND ENGINEERING, AND TAYLOR FIREBALL WITHIN CONSTRUCTION AS A ARE RUNNING THE CONSTRUCTION OF THESE NEW FACILITIES.
SO JUST TO GIVE A BRIEF HISTORY GOING ALONG WITH THAT MARRIAGES SAID THIS HAS BEEN A BIT OF A PROCESS THAT WE DESIGN CONTRACT DISCUSSION STARTED IN NOVEMBER OF 2023 WITH PLENTY OF DISCUSSION BEFORE THAT. WE WENT THROUGH SEVERAL DIFFERENT SCOPES OF WORK AND DIRECTED TO CREATE A CONCEPT MASTER PLAN TO SHOW THE POSSIBILITIES OF THE SITE IMPROVEMENTS, THIS WOULD MAKE DOWNTOWN.
ON MARCH 24TH OF 2025 KEVIN PARK HILL PRESENTED THE PLAN AND TALKS WITH THE AMENITIES IN A JOINT WORKSHOP WITH THE MAYOR
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AND COUNCIL TO GAIN THEIR FEEDBACK FOR WHAT THEY WANT TO SEE. MOVE FORWARD FROM THAT PROJECT.FROM THAT MEETING, HENRY AND HIS TEAM MATE, MODIFICATIONS BASED ON COUNCIL DIRECTION. STAFF REQUESTED SOME TIME CT AND MET THAT USED THOSE SALES TAX DOLLARS AS THE FUNDING SOURCE FOR THOSE PROJECTS. M C D VOTED TO PROVIDE 10 MILLION ON DECE DECEMBER 18TH OF 25 AND M E D FLOATED TO FUND 8 MILLION ON FEBRUARY 24TH OF 26.
THE BID WENT OUT ON MARCH 9TH, 26 WITH 22 COMPANIES PROVIDING BIDS ON APRIL 3RD, 2026. TAYLOR'S TEAM REVIEWED THE BIDS AND CREATED THE GMP THAT YOU SEE IN YOUR PACKET.
AND SO IF YOU HAVE SEEN THAT, AS THE MAYOR SAID, WE HAVE A LA CARTE MENU ON THERE. THIS HAS THE BASE BID, GMP AND ALTERNATE ONE. AN ALTERNATE TO COMPONENT ALLOWING YOU TO PICK ONE, TOO, OR ALL THREE OPTIONS.
SO WE'LL SAY AS YOU SEE ON THE SCREEN HERE, THIS PHOTO IS A RENDERING OF WHAT ALTERNATE ONE IS, WHICH IS THE FOOD TRUCK AREA. ON THE RAILROAD PROPERTY LOCATED ON THE CORNER OF TENTH AND MAIN STREET.
THIS IS A HIGHLY VISIBLE SPACE FROM MAIN STREET THAT INCLUDES THE FOOD TRUCK AREA, INTERACTIVE SPLASH PAD HARDSCAPE PAVING, SMALL RESTROOM, PARKING LOT AND LARGE ICON SIGN.
THIS AREA MAY BE BROKEN FOUR DIFFERENT EVENTS SUCH AS LET'S SAY FOOD TRUCK FRIDAYS, FARMERS MARKETS, ADDITIONAL CONCERTS AND STAGING AREAS FOR MIDLO FEST OR OTHER LARGE FESTIVALS.
WE BRING DOWNTOWN AND OVERFLOW PARKING FOR EVENTS IN HERITAGE PARK AND SURROUNDING BUSINESSES. ALTERNATE TWO AND THIS SHOWS YOU EIGHTH STREET, SEE THE IMPROVEMENT WITH THE PAVERS, UPGRADED PAVERS ALONG A STREET BETWEEN THE CITY HALL AND HERITAGE PARK, PROVIDING AN ENHANCED ESTHETIC FINISH AND IMPROVED CONNECTIVITY BETWEEN THE TWO LOCATIONS, CREATING A LARGER PLAZA FOOTPRINT FOR FUTURE EVENTS.
THIS AREA MAY BE PROGRAMED FOR VENDORS, FOOD TRUCKS, ART SHOWS, SEATING FOR CONCERTS, AND MUCH MORE.
SO YOU SEE THIS AREA, THAT IS SHOWING A STREET IN BETWEEN CITY HALL AND HERITAGE PARK, AND YOU SEE HOW DIFFERENT THAT LOOKS GOOD THAT IT'S STILL A ROAD THE CARS WILL DRIVE OVER IT.
IT TIES IN WITH THE PLAZA AND MAKES IT FEEL LIKE ALL OF IT'S TIED TOGETHER AS ONE LARGE SPACE.
AND WITH THAT, I WILL SHOW RIGHT HERE, WE HAVE BACK ALLEY PLAZA AND WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE AGAIN, ANOTHER SMALL STAGE AREA.
AREA THAT'S THE RESTAURANTS CAN USE.
THE CUSTOMERS CAN SIT OUT AND PEOPLE CAN SIT OUT AND ENJOY THAT BACK AREA. AND ANOTHER SPACE FOR US TO EXPAND A FESTIVAL OR HAVE JUST A VERY SMALL, MORE INTIMATE EVENT.
HERE'S EVERYTHING OF THE ENTIRE AREA SHOWING BACK AT THE PLAZA.
IT'S NOT SHOWING UP RELEVANT. YOU CAN SEE AS YOU MOVE OVER THE FIRE ADMIN, YOU SEE THE WATER TOWER UP THERE COMES A HISTORIC WATER TOWER THEN YOU HAVE THAT RESTROOM BUILDING IS NEXT BUILDING WITH THE ROOF AND GOING ACROSS THE ARCH LAWN OF UP TO THE STAGE AREA. AND HERE'S A CLOSE UP OF THAT STAGE. WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE THAT WILL BE SYNTHETIC TURF IN FRONT OF IT.
SO EVEN IF WE HAVE IT RAINS ON FRIDAY AND WE HAVE AN EVENT ON SATURDAY, PEOPLE WON'T BE WALKING THROUGH MUD OR CREATING DAMAGING THE TURF AS THEY GO THROUGH AND TO THE LEFT OF THAT STAGE WILL BE THE GAME LAWN, UNDER THE SYNTHETIC TURF AREA WITH CORNHOLE AND OTHER GAMES THAT PEOPLE CAN COME OUT AND PLAY, ALL DURING THE DAY AND THE EVENING.
AND AGAIN, HERE'S JUST ANOTHER LARGE SHOT OF THAT SHOWING THE WATER TOWER IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE REMAINDER OF THE AREA.
I THINK THAT'S OUR LAST ONE. YES.
SO WITH THAT, WE'RE HERE. I'VE GOT THE TEAM RIGHT HERE.
AND WE'RE READY TO ANSWER QUESTIONS OR DO OUR BEST TO DO
SO. >> MAYOR COFFMAN: YEAH, I KNOW THERE'S SOME PUBLIC SPEAKERS I JUST WANTED TO REMIND COUNCIL THAT THIS IS A CONCEPT PLAN THAT WAS SUBMITTED BY UNANIMOUS UNANIMOUSLY, I BELIEVE BY THE BOARD AS WELL AS M E D IF I RECALL. AND SO IT'S ON US TONIGHT TO
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TAKE FINAL ACTION IF WE SHOULD CHOOSE TO DO SO.WE'LL HEAR FROM THE PUBLIC SPEAKERS AND THEN WE'LL GIVE COUNCIL OPPORTUNITY TO ENGAGE IN CONVERSATION.
TAMI? >> WE ONLY HAVE ONE, DAVID.
>> MAYOR COFFMAN: DAVID, WELCOME, COME ON UP.
IF YOU DON'T MIND, STATE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD AND WHETHER YOU LIVE IN THE CITY AND YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK DAVID HIRST. I LIVE IN THE CITY AND I'M HERE TO SUPPORT THE PROJECT. WE'VE DONE A LOT OF VISIONING IN THE CITY FOR A LONG TIME ABOUT HOW WE'RE GOING TO REGENERATE AND REVITALIZE OUR DOWNTOWN A AREA.
HEARING MY FAMILY GOES DOWN THERE FROM TIME TO TIME.
WE GET TO GO TO THE DISTRICT BUT WE GO TO THE FESTIVALS.
WE HAVE DOWN THERE, HERE, TO THE PARK IS A NATURAL ADDITION TO CREATE THAT PRIVACY THAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR AS A DESTINATION PLACE FOR OUR TOWN. SO THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
>> MAYOR COFFMAN: THANK YOU, DAVID.
DO WE HAVE ANY ADDITION? >> STEPHEN.
>> TAKE A NAP, STEVEN. [LAUGHTER]
>> MAYOR COFFMAN: , ON UP, IF ANYONE WANTED TO SPEAK, WILL
ALLOW YOU TO FILL IT FROM OUR. >> I WANT TO SAY, I'M PROUD TO SAY THAT NOT IN THE CITY BUT IN THE COMING.
FOR EXTENDED. IT WAS A HUGE CHAPTER FOR AN EVENT. I WAS ABLE TO BUY THE REST OF MY PROPERTY. SO THIS IS VERY, VERY CLOSE IN THERE. AND DEAR TO ME.
I DEFINITELY SUPPORTED THIS BUT I THINK IT'S GOING TO BE A GREAT INVESTMENT IN OUR CITY. AND I THINK THIS INVESTMENT IS GOING TO ONLY LEAD TO OTHER FUTURE SUCCESSES.
SO HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
IF YOU GUYS HAVE ANY. BUT I THINK IT'S ABSOLUTELY BEAUTIFUL. I LOVE THE WATER TOWER.
I THINK WE'RE GOING TO BE SO PROUD.
TOOK MR. WEINER AND I MANY, MANY YEARS TO GET THIS BUILDING.
I THINK THIS IS JUST A LOGICAL EXTENSION OF THAT.
THANK YOU GUYS. >> MAYOR COFFMAN: THANK YOU,
STEVEN, IS THAT IT? >> ONE MORE.
IF I SAID THAT RIGHT. >> MAYOR COFFMAN: PROBABLY NOT.
ON. >> MY NAME IS TODD 721 SPELLING] TEXAS. I'M NOT USED TO BEING ON THIS SIDE. I'M USED TO BEING ON YOUR SIDE.
I COULDN'T SERVE A THEM PUT HIM AND THE CITY OF NASHVILLE AND HAVE FOR NINE YEARS. I'M ALSO THE OWNER OF PRIMO ♪ I'M GETTING REALLY CLOSE. WE SHOULD OPEN IN OCTOBER AND I'M IN SUPPORT OF THIS. ANYTHING YOU CAN DO TO HELP REVITALIZE DOWNTOWN, DRAW PEOPLE IN TO DOWNTOWN, TO SUPPORT OUR BUSINESSES, IS CRITICAL. AND THE DOWNTOWN IS THE HEARTBEAT OF THE CITY. IT BELONGS TO EVERYBODY IN THE CITY. SO I APPRECIATE ALL YOUR EFFORTS AND ONE THING I WILL SAY, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I HOPE YOU GUYS CONSIDER WHEN IT COMES TO THE FOOD PARK, WE RUN ACROSS THIS IN OUR CITY, IS PLEASE PROTECT YOUR LOCAL BUSINESSES, YOUR RESTAURANTS, WHEN THESE FOOD TRUCKS, IN AND OUT OF TOWN, IT'S VERY HARD TO COLLECT SALES TAX OR YOUR CURRENT RESTAURANT OWNERS ARE PAYING NOT ONLY SO. THEY'RE ALSO PAYING PROPERTY TAX TO BE HERE. SO PLEASE CONSIDER THAT.
WHEN WE PUT ORDINANCES IN PLACE TO ALLOW THESE TRUCKS TO COME IN AND OUT OF YOUR CITY. SO AGAIN, THANK YOU.
FULL SUPPORT. YOU GUYS ARE DOING AN UNBELIEVABLE JOB. YOU GUYS GOT GREAT STAFF, GREAT COUNCIL. CITY HALL IS SO IMPRESSIVE.
AND AGAIN, I APPRECIATE YOU ALL. THANK YOU.
>> MAYOR COFFMAN: THANK YOU. THAT'S F? YEAH, QUESTIONS OF STAFF FOR TUG HILL FOR THE TEAM CONSTRUCTION TEAM? WITH THIS OF COURSE, FOR A LONG TIME. SO IS THERE QUESTIONS?
WAYNE? >> MR. SHUFFIELD: A FEW THOUGHTS OBVIOUSLY. DEVIL'S IN THE DETAILS, AND THAT SORT OF THING. WE HAD 18 MILLION-DOLLAR BANK ACCOUNT AND BY GOSH, IT CAME IN ABOUT $18 MILLION.
I'M NOT QUESTIONING ANY OF THAT. BUT IS THERE AWAY THAT ALTERNATE ONE AND TWO CAN BE INCLUDED WITH $18 MILLION?
>> I WISH. >> MR. SHUFFIELD: I DON'T KNOW THE DETAILS. MAKING IT ALL DOWN.
THAT'S JUST KIND OF A GENERAL REALLY MORE THAN IT IS SPECIFIC.
>> IT ACTUALLY CAME IN. >> MR. SHUFFIELD: GO AHEAD AND
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SPEAK. >> IT ACTUALLY CAME AT OVER 20 MILLION. THE $18 MILLION JUST HAPPENED TO
FIT. >> MR. SHUFFIELD: THE FIRST
PART. >> THE FIRST PART OF IT.
>> I MEAN, I -- BUT I MEAN, TO BE HONEST, I'M THRILLED WITH THE PRESENT. I WAS VERY ANXIOUS.
I HAD A DIFFERENT NUMBER IN MY MIND.
SO WHEN I SAW THE NUMBERS. SORRY?
>> I THOUGHT IT WAS GOING TO BE OVER 20 IN THAT FIRST PART.
>> I'M VERY THRILLED TO BE HONEST.
>> I WASN'T MAKING THAT -- IT WAS MORE RHETORICAL.
LIKE I SAID, BUT WASN'T MADE IN A NEGATIVE WAY.
IT'S JUST THAT IS THE WAY IT IS. I DO HAVE TWO OR THREE QUESTIONS. ONE IS AND TOM BROUGHT THIS ONE UP HIT HIS HEAD AND MOVE AHEAD WITH THE TRUCK.
ONE TYPES OF SALES TAX COLLECTION THAT WE HAVE? BECAUSE I SEE THIS AS A REALLY GOOD INVESTMENT.
I SEE THIS AS A SALES TAX INITIATIVE.
WHEREAS THE OTHER TWO, IN, IF WE GIVE ALL THREE OF THE OPTIONS? IS THAT COMING OUT OF ANOTHER PART OF THE SALES TAX FOR OTHERS? THAT'S OUR DECISION.
BUT WHAT ABOUT THE SELLS COLLECTION OF OUTSIDE VEHICLES?
I DON'T KNOW HOW ALL THAT WORKS. >> GO AHEAD, CHRIS.
>> I THINK THAT'S GOING TO BE HARD TO TRACK THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO SOLVE THE SELF-REPORT, WHICH ALL BUSINESSES TYPICALLY SELF-REPORT. IT WILL BE HARDER TO TRACK.
>> AND WE DON'T SEE THAT AS THERE'S JUST GOING TO BE FOOD TRUCKS SETUP THERE ALL THE TIME. IT'S GOING TO BE USED FOR ALL SORTS OF THINGS. WE'LL PROGRAM EVENTS JUST LIKE HAVE A COUPLE DOWN AND HAVE PEOPLE OUT.
BUT WE SEE THAT THAT WILL BE AN AREA THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE TAKE THE KIDS OVER TO, TO PLAY IN THE LITTLE SPLASH PAD AND JUST KIND OF HANG OUT COME ON NOW THEY HAVE A PARKING SPOT AND THEY CAN WALK OVER TO THE PARK AND PLAY. IN THE PARK OR GO TO DINNER AND THEN DO THAT. BUT THERE'S ALSO OTHER THINGS THAT WE CAN PUT INTO PLACE FOR THAT AS WELL, TO GENERATE FUNDING AS IF WE WANTED TO SAY, YOU'RE GOING TO PAY A CERTAINTY AND YOU HAVE TO SHOW YOUR PERCENTAGE OF WHAT YOU MAKE.
WE DID THIS IN ARLINGTON A LOT. YOU PAID 10% OF WHAT YOU COLLECT AND YOU PAY US THAT AND YES, WE DO HAVE TO TRUST THEM TO SELF-REPORT. BUT IF WE'RE OUT THERE, SEE WHAT KIND OF ACTIVITIES GOING ON AND HOW MUCH THEY'RE CHARGING.
SO WE CAN GET INTO IF THEY TELL US THEY MAKE $200, OBVIOUSLY A LINE FOR AN HOUR STRAIGHT. AND WE KNOW THAT'S NOT THE CASE.
BUT THERE'S OTHER AVENUES THAT YOU CAN DO THAT WOULD PUT SOME OF THAT MONEY BACK IN. AND I THINK EVEN WITH THE FOOD TRUCKS, IT WILL STILL GENERATE SALES TAX DOLLARS BECAUSE THEY MIGHT COME OUT HERE AND PLAY AND THEN IT GETS THEM TO WANDER DOWN, DOWNTOWN AND THEN GO IN AND GO INTO ANOTHER
ESTABLISHMENT. >> MR. SHUFFIELD: I THINK THIS CAN BE AN INITIATOR OF EITHER EVEN OTHER KINDS OF SHOPPING AND RESTAURANTS AND EVERYTHING ELSE. DOWN IN THIS AREA, WHICH IS SOMETHING WITHIN 20 YEARS. 25 SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE.
SO I SEE THAT BEING A HIGH PRIORITY.
I DON'T WANT TO GET TO THE POINT OF THE UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCE OF AFFECTING SUCH. AND I KNOW IT'S ONLY GOOD, FOR SPECIAL EFFECTS. IF I CAN INTRODUCE SOME TO ESTABLISH BUSINESSES THAT WE DO HAVE, PAID TO US, THAT.
BUT BEING ABLE TO RECOGNIZE THIS IS A DESTINATION FOR THE COMMUNITY TO COME IN AND ENJOY LIFE WITH FAMILY.
AND BE ABLE TO SHOP AND EAT AT AND STASH.
>> MS. DOWELL: YES. AND THIS AREA, WE FULLY KNOW THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE PROGRAMMING THIS.
THERE'S GOING TO BE A LOT OF PROGRAMMING HERE.
SO ALL OF THAT IS GOING TO DRAW PEOPLE DOWNTOWN AND I THINK THE BUSINESSES WILL SEE A LOT OF BENEFIT FROM THAT.
COMING DOWNTOWN FOR SURE. >> AND THAT RESIDENCE.
>> MS. DOWELL: YES. >> MAYOR COFFMAN: THANK YOU, WAYNE. CLARK, YOUR NEXT.
>> MR. WICKLIFFE: SO I'M SUPPORTIVE OF THE CONCEPT OF THE PARK. I THINK IT WILL BE AN IMPORTANT FIXTURE IN OUR DOWNTOWN. I DISAGREE WITH THE ALLOCATION OF FUNDING PRIOR TO GETTING THE PRICING AND PERHAPS THE SOURCE OF THE FUNDING FOR THE PROJECT. BUT THAT SHIP HAS SAILED BECAUSE THIS COUNCIL HAS ALLOCATED $18 MILLION THROUGH THE TYPE A AND TYPE B OPERATIONS FOR THIS PARK.
FOR ME, I WANT TO IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE DON'T EXCEED THAT.
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ALLOCATION THAT'S ALREADY THERE. YOU HAVE TWO ALTERNATE OPTIONS HERE. ONE IS THE ENTIRETY OF THE FOOD TRUCK AREA AND ONE IS REPLACING A GOOD ROAD WITH PAVERS THATULTIMATELY CREATE AN UNEVEN. >> MAYOR COFFMAN: EXPERIENCE IN EVERY COMMUNITY THAT I'VE DRIVEN ACROSS PAVERS AND.
IS THAT NOT THE ABILITY IF WE FEEL THE NEED TO SPEND EXACTLY $18 MILLION BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE'VE ALLOCATED TO SOME OF THE PARKING, ESPECIALLY BEYOND THE STREET PARKING AND THE FOOD TRUCK AREA, ONLY TO ALLOW FOR MORE PARKING.
IN THIS ZONE AND ALSO, DO WE HAVE LICENSING AGREEMENTS WITH THE RAILROAD THAT WOULD ALLOW US TO DO THE OTHER CONSTRUCTION PROJECTS FROM THE PROPERTY THAT THEY OWN ADJACENT TO THE CITY?
>> I'LL TAKE A COUPLE OF THOSE. WE'RE NOT REPLACING THE PAVERS WOULD GO ON TOP OF THE CURRENT STREET.
>> MR. WEAVER: IT'S A PERFECTLY GOOD ROAD.
>> KNOW THAT IT WOULD BE A PERFECTLY GOOD BASE, TOO.
JUST BEGUN TALKING TO THE RAILROAD.
IT WOULD BE A LEASE. YOU CAN BUY THEIR PROPERTY BACK.
WE'VE BEGUN DISCUSSIONS WITH THEM.
AND THOSE TYPE OF THINGS. >> MR. WEAVER: IS WITHIN OUR
RIGHT OF WAY THAT WE COULD DO -- >> IT IS COMING UP.
THERE'S SOMETHING -- WELL -- >> MS. DOWELL: IT'S A TECHDOC ROAD. AND THEY CAME BACK AND SAID WE COULD NOT DO BEYOND STREET PARKING.
>> THERE YOU GO. >> MR. WEAVER: IS THERE ANY MAN THAT WE ACTUALLY OWN AND ACTUALLY HAVE LEGAL RIGHT TO DO WHAT WE WANT WITH THAT YOU CAN PAVE PARKING SPACES ON THAT
PORTION OF THE PROPERTY? >> MS. DOWELL: NO, WE HAVE A SMALL SECTION OF THAT LAND. THAT WE WOULD HAVE A CRAZY, TINY LITTLE TRIANGLE IN THE CENTER WITH NO DRIVE TO IT.
>> MR. WEAVER: OKAY. AND SO FOR ME, IF THIS COUNCIL WANTS TO SPEND $18 MILLION, ANY ABOVE THE BASE GMP FOR ME WOULD NEED TO BE SHOWN IN ADDITIONAL PARKING SPACES BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO BE PUTTING A LOT OF PEOPLE HERE.
AND I THINK IT'S GOING TO NEED MORE PARKING.
>> AND JUST TO CLARIFY WE DID NOT, WITH SOMETHING TO GET TO 80 MILLION. THIS HAS BEEN A BIT OF TROUBLE.
CAUSED FROM BEFORE FROM THE BEGINNING OF TIME, AND IT WAS COMING IN AT 24 MILLION. WE HAVE BEEN STUDYING THIS BACK DOWN TO GET THAT PRICE DOWN. SO WE WOULD HAVE A GOOD QUALITY PRODUCT THAT WE COULD BRING TO Y'ALL TO SO IT HAS BEEN A PROCESS. THIS STAGE WAS CUT BACK.
A LOT OF THINGS WERE CUT BACK BECAUSE WE WERE SEEING WHERE IT CAME OUT. BUT YET WE WERE STILL CONCERNED, THIS WAS THE MAIN PART. WE STILL THOUGHT IT WAS GOING TO COME IN AT THIS. SO WE'RE PLEASANTLY SURPRISED WITH THAT BECAUSE I THOUGHT WE WERE GOING TO BE STANDING UP HERE GOING AT 19 MILLION JUST FOR THE MIDDLE PORTION.
SO I JUST WANT TO BE VERY CLEAR, BECAUSE I KEEP HEARING THAT WE'RE JUST TRYING TO SPEND 18 MILLION AND I CAN PROMISE YOU, YOU AND I CAN HAVE A TALK LATER.
THAT IS ABSOLUTELY NOT HOW WE DO IT.
THE 18 MILLION JUST CAME UP BECAUSE OF ALL THE PRICING THAT WE KNEW WE WERE GOING TO FALL OUT SOMEWHERE.
>> MR. WEAVER: I RESPECT WHAT YOU'RE COMING FROM.
I AM NOT ACCUSING PARK OR ANYONE ELSE OF PURPOSEFUL
MYSTERIOUSNESS. >> MS. DOWELL: I DIDN'T TAKE IT
THAT WAY. >> MR. WEAVER: BUT THERE'S CONFIRMATION BIAS EVEN IN THE VAUNTED HOUSE OF ACADEMIA, WHEN YOU'RE TESTING HYPOTHESES. AND SO I THINK THOSE UNATTENDED CONSEQUENCES ARE SUBCONSCIOUS. CONCLUSIONS.
CAN YOU STINKS INVERTED IN ORDER.
WHICH I STAND BEHIND AND SAID COMPONENTS ACCORDING TO NOT AS TO ANYONE'S CHARACTER. BUT AS YOU HAVE SAID, THINGS WERE SCALED BACK. THINGS WERE ADJUSTED, ADAPTED TO TRY TO FIT WITHIN THE CONSTRAINTS THAT WERE CREATIVELY SAID. VERSUS SAYING, HEY, WHAT IS THE BEST LONG TERM HERE. AND DID IT NEED TO BE PHASED OR FLOODED IN A DIFFERENT MECHANISM.
PERHAPS BOND WITH THE CITIZENS FOR THOSE THINGS THAT WE NEED TO TAKE IN SMALLER BITES. AND SO WHAT I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE NOT DOING IS SAYING, HEY. WE'RE BUILDING A WATERED DOWN VERSION OF WHAT COULD BE THERE IF WE WEREN'T TRYING TO MEET THE CERTAIN FUNDING NUMBER THAT WAS PREEMPTIVELY ALLOCATED.
AND SO I THINK THERE IS. >> MAYOR COFFMAN: CONCERNS BECAUSE BUYER OWN ADMISSION, WE HAVE REDUCED THE SIZE.
WE HAVE SCALED THINGS DOWN. >> MS. DOWELL: JUST MINIMALLY.
WE'RE STILL GETTING AN AMAZING --
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>> MR. WEAVER: AND I'M NOT SAYING THAT WERE IT NOT.
BUT IS IT GOOD ENOUGH FOR 18 MILLION? OR IS IT THAT GREAT THAT IT NEEDS TO BE TO HAVE ITS MAXIMUM INTENDED EFFECT MAY BE PERHAPS FUNDING IT THROUGH DIFFERENT RESOURCES. THAT WAS APPROVED? THAT DEBATE IS NOT OCCURRING TONIGHT.
BUT WHAT IS FOR ME IS WE'VE SET THIS COUNCIL HAS SAID IT AT $18 MILLION. I AM 100 PERCENT OPPOSED TO SPENDING 18 MILLION IN ONE. THIS.
>> MAYOR COFFMAN: YOU'LL GET THE OPPORTUNITY TO VOTE ON THAT HERE IN A MINUTE. BUT WE NEED TO MOVE ON.
FINISH YOUR THOUGHTS THERE. >> MR. WEAVER: NO, SIR, THAT'S
OKAY. >> MAYOR COFFMAN: NO, GO AHEAD.
CLARK? >> MR. WICKLIFFE: YEAH.
SO THE LAST TIME I WAS PART OF THIS PROCESS, WE SAW RENDERINGS LIKE THIS AND WHAT GOT BUILT THIS IS WHAT I SAW IN RENDERINGS WERE CLOSE BUT NOT WHAT I THOUGHT.
AND NOT TO ROSS'S POINT, I'M NOT SAYING -- I JUST WANT TO ASK A COUPLE CLARIFYING QUESTIONS. IS THERE GOING TO BE A WATER TOWER? IS THAT IN THE?
>> MS. DOWELL: NO, THERE IS A WATER TOWER IN THE BID.
>> MR. WICKLIFFE: OKAY, SO EVERYTHING THAT I'M SAYING --
>> MS. DOWELL: NONFUNCTIONAL, YES.
>> MR. WICKLIFFE: I THINK ADAM AND MIKE ARE GOING TO BE UPSET
ABOUT THAT. >> MS. DOWELL: BUT IT LOOKS LIKE
A WATER TOWER. >> MR. WICKLIFFE: BUT THE PICTURES LOOK GREAT AND THEY'RE BEAUTIFUL AND WONDERFUL.
BUT ARE YOU ACTUALLY SINGING THAT I SEE THROUGHOUT HERE? IS THAT THE ACTUAL PLACE. SKIP THAT I'M SEEING IN THIS PICTURE? I'M NOT HOLDING, IS THAT EXACT
BLOG GOING TO BE RIGHT THERE. >> MS. DOWELL: NO, IT IS VERY
SIMILAR TO THAT. >> MR. WICKLIFFE: OKAY, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT I UNDERSTAND.
I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS UNDER QUESTION, CLYDE OR CHRIS.
DO YOU KNOW HOW MUCH SALES TAX REVENUE IN THE CITY HAS BROUGHT
IN ON ITS PORTION IN 2026? >> SEVEN.
>> IT'S ABOUT 7 1/2 MILLION. >> MR. WICKLIFFE: DOES THAT INCLUDE A AND B, WHICH IS THAT --
>> THAT'S THE CITY PORTION. >> MR. WICKLIFFE: OKAY.
DO YOU KNOW THE CONSTRUCTION TIMELINE FROM START TO FINISH?
>> APPROXIMATELY 18 MONTHS. >> MR. WICKLIFFE: OKAY.
THAT'S THE ONLY QUESTIONS I HAVE FOR RIGHT NOW, PUT ON THE TEXT
AND I'LL GET TO YOU NEXT, ALLEN. >> MAYOR COFFMAN: ON THE NEXT, AS FAR AS TRAJECTORY FOR THE REST OF THE.
ARE WE AHEAD OF SCHEDULE, BEHIND SCHEDULE.
>> RIGHT NOW IT TAKES US TO ABOUT, I THINK A LITTLE OVER 17 MILLION. AND WE PROTECTED 145 FOR THIS YEAR. THIS FISCAL YEAR.
YES, SIR. AND LIKE I SAID, THAT'S FIVE MONTHS WITH THE AVERAGE OF THOSE ASSIGNMENTS BEEN WE'RE
PROJECTING THOSE OUT. >> MAYOR COFFMAN: ALLEN?
>> MR. MOORMAN: GO AHEAD. I THOUGHT OF ANOTHER QUESTION.
>> MAYOR COFFMAN: KNOCK IT OUT. >> ON THE ALTERNATE, ARE THE ITEMS OBVIOUSLY PROBABLY NOT THE PAPERS.
LIKE THE FOOD TRUCK AREA, ARE THERE ITEMS THAT CAN COME BACK LATER? WHEN WE DID PHASE TWO COMMUNITY PARKS, WE CUT SOME STUFF THAT YOU CAN'T GO BACK AND ADD LATER BECAUSE OF THE WAY WE DID IT. SO ARE THE ITEMS, I GUESS REALLY THE 2 MILLION-DOLLAR OR $2.1 MILLION THAT WE STUCK TO 18 HUNDRED THAT COULD THE ENHANCE LATER, IS IT LIKE HEY, YOU CAN ONLY ADD MAYBE THIS CONCRETE PARKING AND THAT'S IT?
>> MS. DOWELL: THAT WOULD BE THE CHALLENGING PART.
AS IF WE HAD FUNDING AT THE END. >> MR. WICKLIFFE: EVEN TWO YEARS AGO. OR THAT WE CAME BACK AND DID IT. WE COULD COME BACK AND DO THE ENTIRE FOOD TRUCK AREA. WE TALKED ABOUT DEPENDING ON WHERE IT COMES IN THAT MAYBE WE JUST PUT THE PUCK IN NOW AND LEAVE IT AND THEN COME BACK AND ADD TO IT LATER, DEPENDING ON HOW PEOPLE WANT TO DO IT, IT JUST GETS MORE EXPENSIVE.
>> AND WE BROKE IT DOWN WITH THE ALTERNATIVES THAT THEY ARE
SOMEWHAT. >> MS. DOWELL: YOU CAN KIND OF SEPARATE THEM FROM THE REST OF THE PROJECT AND STILL COME BACK
AND DO THAT. >> MAYOR COFFMAN: ALLEN?
>> MR. MOORMAN: JUST A COUPLE OF THOUGHTS AND A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS. SO VERY SUPPORTIVE OF THE PROJECT. AND THE CONCEPT OF THE PARK.
EXCITED ABOUT THE CONTRACTOR BECAUSE THEY'VE DONE EXCELLENT WORK THROUGHOUT THE CITY. SO KUDOS TO YOU GUYS ON PROJECTS. SUPER EXCITED TO SEE YOU ALL AT THE TOP OF THE SHEET. ONE OF MY QUESTIONS, IS KIND OF
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TIES BACK IN WITH WHEN WE WERE SPEAKING ABOUT IT PREVIOUSLY.WITH ALL OF THESE CHANGES. I KNOW WE'RE TALKING ABOUT BUILDING A PARK. BUT IS HERITAGE PLAZA FROM AN ORDINANCE PERSPECTIVE GOING TO BE A PARK OR IS IT NOW A SEPARATE AREA THAT'S DESIGNATED AS A PLAZA?
>> MS. DOWELL: I'M GOING TO MAKE AN ASSUMPTION HERE THAT WE WOULD PUT IT IN WITH THE DOWNTOWN ORDINANCE AS WE CHANGE THINGS.
SO AS WE GO THROUGH BECAUSE OF ALL THE EVENTS AND THINGS THAT ARE GOING ON IN THE RESTAURANTS AROUND AND CHRIS AND CLYDE CAN TELL ME IF I'M WRONG. WE WOULD WRITE THAT IN AS HOW IT USED TO MEET WITH DOWNTOWN. NOT A REGULAR PARK.
>> MR. MOORMAN: I WAS ASSUMING YOU WERE HINTING AT PARK WAS LIKE NO ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES AND THOSE KINDS OF THINGS.
>> WE JUST ADJUSTED. >> I WOULD THINK THAT THIS IS GOING TO BE DIFFERENT WITH SOME OF THOSE ARE GOING TO BE CUSTOM TO THIS PARK OR PLAZA, WHATEVER WE WANT TO CALL IT.
>> MR. MOORMAN: I'M JUST ASKING MORE GENERAL.
I KNOW WE'RE NOT HOLDING ANYBODY TO ANYTHING.
IS THAT SOMETHING YOU ALL INTEND TO BRING PRIOR TO US GETTING THIS PROJECT COMPLETED SO THAT WE COULD MAKE THOSE --
>> YES, WE'VE MADE ORDINANCE CHANGES PRIOR TO THE COMPLETION
OF THIS. >> MR. MOORMAN: SO THAT WAS WHAT MY CONCERNS BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY WITH ESPECIALLY ON WEEKEND, AND PEOPLE BEING UP UNTIL 11:00 A.M. AT 12:00 AT NIGHT FOR NIGHTS, RESTAURANTS ARE OPEN UNTIL MIDNIGHT.
THE OTHER QUESTION I HAD. I THINK WE ALREADY RESOLVED THIS. BUT DO WE HAVE, MAYBE AFTER BEING DEALT WITH THE ORDINANCE LATER.
BUT DO WE HAVE IT WHERE WOULD THE RESTAURANTS.
BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY THERE'S GOING TO BE PEOPLE COMING TO THAT PLAZA TO HANG OUT AND THEY'RE GOING TO GO ALSO, HOPEFULLY SPEND A LOT OF MONEY AT THE LOCAL RESTAURANTS AND LOCAL RETAIL THERE. ARE WE GOING TO HAVE SOME KIND OF ABILITY TO ALLOW OPEN CONTAINER WITHIN THAT PLAZA ESPECIALLY WHEN THERE'S MUSIC, THERE'S OTHER ATTRACTIONS TYPE
EVENTS GOING ON WHICH. >> WE ALREADY ALLOW OPEN CONTAINERS FOR THE PLACE WHERE WE PROHIBIT IT IS IN OUR PARKS.
SO TO YOUR EARLIER POINT, WE WOULD HAVE TO CARVE THIS OUT.
SO THAT YOU CAN HAVE OPEN CONTAINERS ON THE STREETS.
YOU CAN'T HAVE THEM IN OUR PARKS.
SO WE WOULD HAVE TO SEGMENT OUT THIS HERITAGE PLAZA.
>> MR. MOORMAN: BUT THAT WOULD BE A DISCUSSION ALONG WITH OTHER PIECES? OKAY, GOTCHA.
AND WHAT WAS THE OTHER PIECE? I THINK THE ONLY OTHER THING I WAS GOING TO ASK ABOUT IS, WITH OBVIOUSLY WE'RE GOING TO INCREASE HEAVILY, EVEN IF IT'S JUST FOR SPECIAL EVENTS LIKE THE FOOD TRUCK CONTRACTION, OBVIOUSLY THAT AREA.
IF YOUR A FOOD TRUCK THAT'S GOING TO BE A HOT SPOT AND YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE WANT TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF WHAT THE TERMS ALLOCATED. SEE, WE HAVE ANY PARAMETERS AT THAT MOMENT WHERE OUR LOCAL RESIDENT FOOD TRUCK VENDORS HAVE EITHER A FIRST RIGHT OF REFUSAL TYPE SITUATION OR SOME KIND OF
REDUCED FEES TO ENCOURAGE. >> SECRETARY VARNER: POINT MADE BY ONE OF THE. OR THE COMMENTS MADE BY ONE OF THE SPEAKERS EARLIER WHERE KEEPING THE BENEFITS THAT THIS PARK IS QUITTING FOR THE COMMUNITY TO OUR LOCAL BRICK AND MORTAR BUSINESSES AND ALSO KIND OF RIGHT BEHIND THAT ARE LOCAL RESIDENT FOOD TRUCKS? IS THAT SOMETHING ALREADY IN PLACE THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN TALK ABOUT?
>> I DON'T THINK WE CAN DISCRIMINATE BETWEEN FOOD TRUCKS PER SAY. I DON'T KNOW.
WE HAVE CHANGED OUR FEE STRUCTURE.
FOR STRUCTURE BENEFITS CITIZENS OVER PEOPLE THAT ARE NOT
CITIZENS, COULD. >> MR. MOORMAN: OKAY.
THEY ONLY HAVE TO PAY $30 AT OUR CURRENT FEE STRUCTURE AND HOW WE DO IT NOW WITH OUR CONCERTS, IS WE OPEN IT UP, COULD WE LET EVERYONE KNOW IT'S OPENING UP A BIT.
IT'S A FIRST COME, FIRST SERVE. BUT AT THE SAME POINT WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH AND SAY, OKAY, YOU CAN'T ATTEND BECAUSE WE CAN'T HAVE THREE SNOWCONE PEOPLE. SO WE HAVE TO MANAGE THAT AND SHIFT IT AROUND. BUT IT'S TYPICALLY ON A FIRST COME, FIRST SERVE, AND AS LONG AS YOU HAVE A GOOD REPUTATION THAT WE HAVEN'T HAD ISSUES COME UP, THEN -- AND YOU HAVE YOUR
PYRAMID ALL THROUGH THE CITY. >> MR. MOORMAN: SO WE ALREADY REDUCED THE FEE. AND THERE'S ALREADY DISCUSSION THERE TO MAYBE NOT SPECIFIC TO RESIDENTS.
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SPECIFIC TO THOSE THAT HAVE BEEN GOOD PARTNERS IN THE PAST, ANDTHAT KIND OF THING. >> MS. DOWELL: YES, SIR.
>> MR. MOORMAN: OKAY. I THINK THAT'S IT FOR RIGHT NOW.
>> MS. HAMMONDS: SO ON THESE NUMBERS, IS THIS A CEILING? AND THEN IT'S JUST FEELS A LITTLE WEIRD THAT I KNOW WE HAVE THAT LAST WORKSHOP WHERE WE KIND OF TALKED ABOUT OUR PRIORITIES AND THINGS LIKE THAT. BUT SAY WE WENT WITH THE FULL THING. ARE WE GOING TO BE ABLE TO STILL AS A TEAM, WORK THROUGH CUTTING ANYTHING KIND OF KIND OF GOING BACK TO THE CONVERSATIONS THAT YOU ALL GOT UP EARLIER ABOUT FACING THINGS OR TAKING THIS OUT.
>> IF YOU APPROVE THIS, YOU'RE GIVEN TO GO AHEAD TO DO EVERYTHING. THIS IS THE GUARANTEED MAXIMUM
PRICE. >> MS. HAMMONDS: WE COULD CUT.
THIS IS THE MAXIMUM PRICE. >> ONCE WE SIGN A CONTRACT, WE'RE GIVING THEM THE OKAY TO DO EVERYTHING THAT'S WITHIN THE CONTRACT. SO IF WE WANT TO CUT SOMETHING, WE NEED TO CUT IT NOW.
>> IS THERE A CONTINGENCY IN THIS?
WHAT'S THE PERCENTAGE OF THAT? >> 65%.
>> MAYOR COFFMAN: SORRY. AND A, GO AHEAD.
>> MS. HAMMONDS: OKAY. I KNOW WE DID THAT A LITTLE BIT.
DID I MISS A STEP? OR DID WE JUST SKIP THAT PART AND IT STAYED AT THE STAFF LEVEL?
>> WELL, WE TOOK THE DESIGN THAT COUNCIL APPROVED, AND THAT'S THE ELEMENTS THAT PUT INTO THE DESIGN, INTO THE BID.
SO IF THERE'S ELEMENTS THAT WE WANT TO PULL OUT, THIS WOULD BE
THE TIME. >> THIS HAS EVERY ELEMENT THAT WAS REQUESTED BY COUNCIL THAT YOU ALL VOTED ON.
>> MS. HAMMONDS: BUT NOT KNOWING A SINGLE DOLLAR AMOUNT FOR ANY OF IT AT THE TIME. SO I MEAN, THAT'S THE PART --
>> MS. DOWELL: BECAUSE WE GOT THE BID ON APRIL 3RD.
>> MS. HAMMONDS: YOU HAD THAT WORKSHOP BID, IT WAS LIKE MONTHS AGO. PAVERS SOUND GREAT AND HALF A MILLION DOLLARS GOOD. IT'S A DIFFERENT STORY.
SO OKAY. SO MY OTHER QUESTION IS, KIND OF GOING TO WHAT ROSS BROUGHT UP EARLIER.
I NEVER IN MY MIND. EXPECTED THIS TO BE AN 18 MILLION-DOLLAR BUDGET BECAUSE OF TYPE A AND TYPE B FUNDING.
IN MY MIND, THAT WAS GOING TOWARDS THE BUDGET.
AND SO THE QUESTION IS, CHRIS TO STAFF, IF WE GO OVER THE 18 MILLION, HOW COMFORTABLE WOULD WE FEEL ABOUT THAT COMING OUT OF GENERAL FUND QUESTION MARKS.
>> AGAIN, THAT'S CERTAINLY A COUNCIL DECISION.
WE HAVE THE FUND BALANCE. IF YOU CHOOSE TO USE THAT FUND BALANCE TO MAKE UP THIS, THAT'S A COUNCIL DECISION.
HOW COMFORTABLE WE ARE WITH THE COMFORTABLE ONE.
SEX. AND THESE THINGS ARE PROJECTING HIGHER. AHEAD.
IF YOU REMEMBER BACK TO OUR BUDGET DISCUSSIONS, BACK LAST JULY, WE HAD AN ALLOCATED FUND BALANCE THAT WE WERE LOOKING TO SPEND. ONE OF THOSE PROJECTS WAS AVENUE AND. FIRSTLY, WE DON'T HAVE THAT YET.
BUT IT'S LOOKING LIKE IT COULD COME IN CHEAPER.
AGAIN, I'M NOT GUARANTEEING THAT BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE A BEARD IF THAT COMES IN CHEAPER, THEN THAT WAS SOME MONEY FROM AN ALLOCATED FROM FOR THAT WE TAKE TO THIS. SO DO WE FEEL COMFORTABLE? YES. SO THAT'S COUNCIL DECISION AS TO WHETHER WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT OR NOT.
>> CAN I ASK HOW MANY DAYS OF RESERVE FUND DO WE HAVE?
>> MR. DICK: IF YOU GO BACK TO THE BUDGET, TO BE HAD 180 THAT WAS SPENDING DOWN ALL OF THAT UNALLOCATED FUND BALANCE, WHICH WE HAVE NOT DONE YET, BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T DONE THE PROJECT.
>> I REMEMBER WE WERE AT 200, 205.
>> MR. DICK: YOU HAVE ANOTHER TWO, $3 MILLION.
IT WOULD BE CLOSER TO THAT. >> HOW MUCH IS ONE-DAY WORTH?
>> MR. DICK: I THINK IT'S LESS THAN 200,000.
I THINK IT'S IN THE 17080 RANGE. SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
>> OKAY. >> MAYOR COFFMAN: SORRY, ANNA.
>> MS. HAMMONDS: MY ONLY OTHER QUESTION IS COMING DOWN TO WHAT YOU WERE SAYING EARLIER ABOUT HOW THEY'RE GOING THROUGH THE THREE OPTIONS. THAT WE DIDN'T TALK ABOUT THAT.
>> TO SUMMARIZE WHAT MY INTENT WAS.
I WANTED TO GIVE EVERYBODY ALL THE OPTIONS TO BE ABLE TO VOTE ON ALL THE OPTIONS SEPARATELY. AND SO THE HYPOTHETICAL, LIKE THAT BASE PLAN. DIDN'T LIKE THE TWO ALTERNATIVES. I WANT TO GIVE YOU THE ABILITY TO VOTE ON THAT AND THEN NOT SUPPORT THE OTHER ADVICE VERSA
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FOR ALL OR NONE OR EITHER WAY. THAT WAY, WE POTENTIALLY DON'T THROW THE BABY OUT WITH THE BATHWATER IN THIS PROCESS.CLARK, NEXT OR WAYNE? >> MR. SHUFFIELD: I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS IN TERMS OF TIMING AND STRATEGY.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT VOTING ON -- EACH INDIVIDUAL THREE PARTS.
ARE WE I STEPPED OUT FOR A BIT AND I THINK PHASE EVEN IT.
BUT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT WE'RE GOING TO DO THAT.
WE'RE GOING TO VOTE ON ALL THIS AND WE'RE GOING TO SPEND $20 MILLION IF WE APPROVE ALL THREE PARTS IN THE NEXT MEETING OR ARE WE TALKING ABOUT. RAISING THE QUESTION OR ARE WE TALKING ABOUT TWO YEARS FROM NOW, WE MIGHT GO TO PHASE TWO?
>> MAYOR COFFMAN: THE HYPOTHETICAL THAT COUNCIL DECIDED TO ONLY GO TO THE PHASE SIDE.
WE COULD DO THAT PART LATER. WE COULD DO THAT AS PHASE TWO.
>> MR. SHUFFIELD: THESE TWO ALTERNATIVES COULD BE DONE IN DIFFERENT TERMS. EVEN IF WE APPROVE THEM?
>> MS. DOWELL: YES, BUT THEY SHOULD BE REPAID BECAUSE THE BID
WILL NOT LAST. >> MR. SHUFFIELD: MAYBE I'M ARGUING AGAINST MYSELF A LITTLE BIT, TOO.
BECAUSE WE'VE BEEN ALL THE WAY THROUGH THIS PROCESS AND I WASN'T HERE FOR EARLIER COMMUNITY PARK AND ANY OTHER KINDS OF DECISIONS. BUT I CAN REMEMBER TODAY WHENEVER THE SALES TAX BACK TO THAT WE ARE TALKING SALES TAX WITH THIS PARTICULAR ITEM. I COULDN'T REMEMBER THE DAYS WHENEVER THE TOTAL FOR THE YEAR FOR THE CITY AND FOR TYPE A, TYPE B WAS ABOUT 2.5. NET, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT 2.5 BEING PER MONTH. AND SOMETHING LIKE THIS IS GOING TO EVEN CHANGE THAT IN MY MIND. THE R.O.I. THAT COMES FROM SOMETHING LIKE THIS THAT BRINGS IN EVEN MORE OF THE SALES TAX, BECAUSE OF THE CURRENT RETAIL, EVERYTHING BEING IN THE AREA.
YOU START CALCULATING THAT OUT. WE'RE TALKING, HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS OVER THE NEXT 10, 1520 YEARS.
THAT'S GOING TO BE ABLE TO BE USED ON DIFFERENT KINDS OF THINGS LIKE THIS WITH THE CITIZENS.
SO I LIKE THE IDEA OF SEX BEING THE FOCUS.
I'M VERY HESITANT WITH WE'VE GOT THIS.
IT'S BEEN ALREADY OFFERED. A AND B.
AND IF WE VOTE ON ALL THREE OF THEM, THEN WE'RE GOING ANOTHER 2.1. WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DECIDE WHERE TO TAKE THAT SUM, AND WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DECIDE WHETHER OR NOT IS THAT GOING TO BE THIS YEAR, OR IS THAT GOING TO BE TO USE FROM NOW A PART OF IT, OR DO WE KEEP MOVING FORWARD? THOSE ARE THE KINDS OF QUESTIONS IN MY HEAD, AND I KNOW YOU ALL DON'T HAVE THE ANSWERS FOR THEM.
>> MAYOR COFFMAN: I'M SORRY. I LOVE THIS PROJECT.
IF WE TOOK THE 21 AND APPLIED IT TO DELETE, THAT'S EMILY.TAYLOR CONTINGENCY. I'M NOT SAYING THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE USING THE -- THAT IS A MILLION DOLLARS AND 100,080.
THAT'S 11 DAYS OF THAT. WE SERVE FUNDS.
THREE OVERAGED IS 11 DAYS OF RESERVE FUNDS OF THE WHOLE FUNDS. THE WHOLE 20.1 MILLION, 18% FOR AND HAS A 2.1 WOULD COST US 11 DAYS.
AT 175 DAYS, IF WE WEREN'T BUT AS BUDGETED FOR 200 TO 205 DAYS SINCE WE TECHNICALLY HAVE AN APPROVED FOR ALLOCATED FUNDS YET, WE SHOULD TAKE DAYS OFF OF WHICHEVER NUMBER YOU WANT.
OUR FLOOR THAT WE ALL AGREE TO NEVER GO UNDER IS 150 DAYS.
SO EVEN IF WE TAKE THE 11 OR SO OFF THE FLOOR.
I, ONE, M JUST FOR THE CARS OUT THERE AND SAY IT'S TIME TO GET OUT OF DOWNTOWN AND BUILD THIS TANK PROJECT AND COULD CAUSE THE CONSTRUCTION TO AND GET IT OVER WITH.
AND I THOUGHT, JUSTIN CAN HELP ME AND CLYDE AND CHRIS TOOTH AND NAIL ON PHASE TWO COULD SMITH MY, BODY, NO.
AND THERE'S NOT A DAY THAT GOES BY I DON'T WISH I HAD THAT PROJECT. THE BEST PART OF THE COMMUNITY.
AND I'M WITH ANNA. I STILL DON'T KNOW 18 MILLION PLUS BUT I THINK THAT WAS THE MONEY THAT WAS OUR TO GIVE US WE NEVER SET A BUDGET. BUT TO ALSO THINK HOW YOU SHOULD
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HAVE GIVEN US ANOTHER 2 MILLION. [LAUGHTER] BUT I JUST THINK IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT 11 DAYS THEN THAT'S JUST IT. WE'RE ALREADY HERE.>> MAYOR COFFMAN: OKAY. >> MS. HAMMONDS: CAN WE START
WITH THE BIGGEST OPTION? >> MAYOR COFFMAN: YES, THAT'S THE PLAN. I WOULD LIKE TO DO THAT UNLESS ALLEN, DO YOU HAVE FINAL COMMENTS ON THIS?
>> MR. MOORMAN: JUST SOME CLARITY ON TWO THINGS.
ONE IS ON THIS PEDESTRIAN CONNECTOR, THAT'S CURRENTLY A CREDIBLE STREET? AM I THINKING THROUGH THAT
CORRECTLY? >> MAYOR COFFMAN: YES.
>> MR. MOORMAN: SO WE'LL HAVE A CUT THERE WHERE IT JUST GOES INTO THE PARKING AND BACK OUT. OR DOES IT GO ALL THE WAY
WELL, THAT WILL GO ALL THE WAY THROUGH.
WE'LL HAVE TO BALANCE THAT. WE'VE BLOCKED THAT OFF.
SO IT WILL ALLOW YOU TO TURN INTO THE PARKING OR DRIVE OUT THE OTHER WAY. WE KNOW THAT BUSINESSES UTILIZE THAT AS WELL, FOR SOME OF THEIR DELIVERIES.
SO THERE'S DISCUSSION ON HOW WE WORK WITH THEM ON THAT AS WELL.
MOST OF IT THROUGH THE BACK. BUT I KNOW TWISTED SISTER
DOESN'T ON THE SIDE. >> MR. MOORMAN: SO THE PEDESTRIAN CONNECTOR PIECE, THAT ENDS ESSENTIALLY AT THE START, CORRECT? AND THEN --
>> AND TURN INTO THE TWO PARKING LOT SPLIT AND THEN IT GETS WIDER AS THE PLAZA.
>> MS. DOWELL: YOU CAN DRIVE ALL THE WAY THROUGH THAT.
>> THE WALKABLE QUESTION. >> MR. MOORMAN: IT'S THE WHITE
THAT IS NOT DRIVABLE. >> MS. DOWELL: THIS IS NOT GOING TO BE ANY MORE. THIS IS DRIVABLE.
>> BUT NEITHER IS THAT PART FROM A TO START.
>> MS. DOWELL: NO, ONLY IF WE REMOVE THE BALANCE.
WE CAN PUT UP BALLOTS AND PLUG IT UP ALL THE EVENTS AS WELL.
>> VEHICULAR TRAFFIC IS JUST NORTH AND SOUTH.
>> THIS AVENUE -- >> MS. DOWELL: THIS IS JUST A
WALKING AREA. >> YOU WOULDN'T BE COMING
>> MR. MOORMAN: SO TECHNICALLY, YOU'RE WALKING ALL THE WAY DOWN.
CAN YOU JUST -- IF YOU STARTED THERE AND WALKED ALL THE WAY THROUGH, COULD YOU TAKE THAT TOO, WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SO
I CAN MAKE SURE, SURE. >> MS. DOWELL: THIS BECOMES YOU CAN DRIVE. THE TREE IS SHADING THAT OUTFIT.
THAT IS A DRY SO YOU CAN DRIVE ALL THE WAY THROUGH AND EXIT ON BACK OUT ON H. AND THEN YOU CAN COME ALL THE
WAY DOWN AND GET TO MAIN STREET. >> MR. MOORMAN: GOT.
>> MS. DOWELL: SO IT DIDN'T SHUT OFF THE TRAFFIC.
BUT IT DID KEEP THEM FROM DRIVING RIGHT HERE.
>> MR. MOORMAN: SO THE ONLY TRAFFIC THAT'S BEING SHUT OFF IS THE STRIP, AND THEN THE STRIP WHERE IT SAYS ALL, ACROSS CITY
HALL? >> MS. DOWELL: THAT WOULD BE OPEN. YOU CAN DRIVE ON THAT.
BUT YOU CAN SHUT IT DOWN FOR EVENTS.
SO IF WE'RE HAVING A BIG FESTIVAL, WE'LL PUT BOLLARDS OUT, DOWN. WE'LL PUT BOLLARDS OUT AND BLOCK THESE AREAS OFF. AND THIS WOULD BE OPEN FOR PEDESTRIANS BUT DURING A REGULAR DAY, YOU'LL BE ABLE TO DRIVE OVER THOSE PERIODS JUST LIKE A ROAD.
>> I WANT TO BE 100 PERCENT CLEAR.
I THINK THIS IS A STREET AT THE CURRENT AVENUE.
THAT IS BLOCK NORMAL. EVERYDAY, THAT'S GOING TO BE BLOCKED BETWEEN AVENUE F AND BACK ALLEY.
>> MR. SHUFFIELD: RIGHT HERE. YES, SIR.
>> MR. DICK: ON A DAY TO-DAY BASIS, THAT'S GOT TO BE CLOSE TO
VEHICULAR TRAFFIC. >> MS. DOWELL: YES.
>> MS. DOWELL: YEAH, THEIR BACKS HERE ALL DAY.
>> MR. MOORMAN: OKAY. >> MR. DICK: LET ME JUST MAKE ONE OTHER THING CLEAR AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG ABOUT WHAT'S BEING DEPICTED ON THE SCREEN.
WE CANNOT DO BEYOND STREET PARKING, TEXTILE WON'T ALLOW IT.
I DON'T THINK THAT'S GOING TO ALLOW THAT CONNECTION AT THE VERY BOTTOM OF OUR SCREEN. SO THAT'S GOING TO BE BLOCKED.
THAT IS NOT GOING TO BE DERIVED, ABOVE BECAUSE TEXT WON'T ALLOW
IT. >> IS NOT GOING TO BE DATED?
>> MR. RODGERS: IF THERE WILL BE IT.
>> THAT CONVERSATION IS STILL ONGOING.
THEY ASKED FOR ADDITIONAL INFORMATION ON THAT RIGHT AWAY, WHICH WE DIDN'T HAVE AT THE TIME.
OUR SURVEYORS ARE HIDING THAT. THEN THEY'LL TAKE A LOOK AT THE PARKING. THERE'S A CHANCE THEY'LL ALLOW IT, BUT RIGHT NOW IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE THAT.
>> . SO THE DISCUSSION IS WE WOULD PUT A GATE HERE AND THE NEXT BOX THAT FIRE AND EMERGENCY COULD
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USE TO GET OUT AND WE COULD OPEN IT.IF NECESSARY FOR SOMETHING. IT'S NOT, IT WOULD NOT BE FOR GENERAL TRAFFIC FLOW. BECAUSE WE ARE QUITE AT THE EDGE AND NO.
>> MR. MOORMAN: WOULD THAT AFFECT OUR ABILITY TO DO THE PARKING ON ♪ OKAY.
>> MS. DOWELL: WE'VE GOT A LOT OF WORK WITH ENCORE AND WITH TEX-DOT. AND EVERYTHING AS WE'RE WORKING
THROUGH THIS PROJECT. >> MR. MOORMAN: SO I GUESS I'VE GOT TWO MORE QUESTIONS, I GUESS. ON THAT NOTE.
IS THAT ON THE SITUATION WITH -- IS THAT NOTE EIGHT THAT RUNS ACROSS CITY HALL QUOTE WHAT IS THE, I GUESS, TWO WHAT ROSS, I THINK YOU MENTIONED SOMETHING ABOUT IT.
WHAT IS THE NEGATIVE OF THE PAVERS? CAN YOU GIVE SOME CONTEXT ON THAT?
>> MS. DOWELL: I THINK HE'S SAYING THAT IT'S JUST THEN DRIVING ON A SMOOTH ROAD. NEAR GOING TO RUN OVER -- ALTHOUGH THESE AREN'T VERY SMOOTH PAVLO'S.
BUT YOU'LL STILL HAVE A DIFFERENT FEEL THAN THE ROAD.
JUST LIKE WHEN YOU DRIVE OVER THE STAR, YOU GET A LITTLE DIFFERENT FEEL WHEN YOU DRIVE OVER THAT.
BECAUSE IT'S LITTLE PIECES. >> IT'S A GOOD ROAD RIGHT NOW IF YOU WANT TO REPLACE IT WITH SOMETHING DIFFERENT, IT'S TIME FOR THAT MAINTENANCE OF INTERFERENCE, SOPHIE IN.
WE DON'T SEE ANY REASON TO PAVE OVER A GOOD PAVED ROAD.
THAT'S ALREADY SERVED ITS PURPOSE.
>> MR. MOORMAN: OKAY, I SEE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
SO IF WE DON'T PAVE IT, WE COULD STILL BLOCK IT OFF FOR EVENTS, CORRECT QUESTION MARKS OR NOT. IF WE DON'T.
THE PAPER'S, THAT'S WHAT I MEANT.
SO WE JUST WOULD HAVE TO DO THAT FAMILY.
>> MS. DOWELL: WE'LL DO. IT WILL BE A DROPOFF OF A CURVE.
THIS WILL CHANGE TO FEW AND TIES IT IN ALL THE WAY THROUGH.
BUT IT WILL BE USED THE SAME WAY.
IT'S S THAT IS, DEFINITELY. >> MR. MOORMAN: AND THEN ON THE OTHER PIECE OF IT, THE FOOD TRUCK PART, WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THAT, LOOKING AT THIS MAP, CAN YOU KIND OF SHOW ME THE
WHOLE AREA FOR TALKING ABOUT? >> MS. DOWELL: SO THAT FOOD TRUCKS WOULD PARK IN HERE AND THEN THE SPLASH PAD IS RIGHT HERE AND THE RESTROOMS RIGHT HERE.
THERE'S A SMALL ROOM BUILDING. AND PEOPLE CAN HANG OUT IN THE GREEN SPACE, AND THEN WE'VE GOT THE PARKING AND THIS WOULD BE
THE LARGE ICON SIGN. >> MR. MOORMAN: SO ALL OF THAT PIECE, YOU JUST POINTED OUT, THAT IS WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT
WHEN WE SAY FOOD TRUCK PARKED? >> MS. DOWELL: YES, SIR.
>> MR. MOORMAN: SO IT INCLUDES THE PARKING AS WELL?
>> MS. DOWELL: YES, SIR. >> MR. MOORMAN: SO IF WE DON'T APPROVE THE FOOD TRUCK PARKED, WE DON'T GET THE PARKING THERE? CORRECT? AM I FOLLOWING CORRECT?
>> MS. DOWELL: CORRECT. >> MR. MOORMAN: SO HOW MANY SPACES ROUGHLY, YOU DON'T HAVE TO BE EXACT, BUT IS IT -- 1012.
ACCORDING TO WHAT I COULD COUNT FROM THE PLANS TODAY, BECAUSE I
KNEW THAT QUESTION. >> MR. MOORMAN: SO IS THERE AWAY THAT WE CAN GET THE PARKING AND THEN PHASE THE FRUIT PARK? IS THAT FEASIBLE QUOTE THAT WAS --
>> YOU CAN'T. >> MR. MOORMAN: BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO CONCRETE IT ANYWAY? WHICH IS PUT ALL THAT CONCRETE AND THEN ALL THOSE PARKING SPACES IN THAT ONE PIECE WOULD JUST BE EMPTY FOR THE TIME BEING.
I MEAN, IS THAT -- >> IT'S NOT AS SIMPLE AS JUST ADDING THE CONCRETE. THERE'S A LOT OF UTILITIES THAT WOULD HAVE TO GO INTO THERE'S NO OVERHEAD ELECTRIC LINE THAT HAS TO BE RELOCATED AS WELL. SO THERE'S SOME SIGNIFICANT UTILITY AND INFRASTRUCTURE COST ALONG WITH THE PARKING LOT THAT
WOULD HAVE TO HAPPEN. >> MR. MOORMAN: OKAY.
SO IS THAT AN OPTION WE CAN LOOK AT?
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>> WE PROBABLY NEED SOME ACTION TO BRING THEM BACK, I'M LOOKING AT THESE. I DON'T THINK WE'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO CARVE OUT THAT PIECE. SO WE WOULD NEED TO -- YOU NEED TO GIVE US THE DIRECTION TO BRING IT BACK SO WE COULD VOTE
ON IT ON ANOTHER DAY. >> AND TO THAT POINT, WHAT ARE YOU REALLY SAVING? THEY STILL HAVE TO LOOK RELOCATE. THEY HAVE TO DO ALL THE DIRTY WORK. THEY STILL HAVE TO POUR ALL THE CONCRETE. SO YOU'RE NOT SAVING THE $2 MILLION. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT CONSTRUCTION PIECE OF THE WHATEVER IT.
THE FOOD TRUCK IS COST 2 MILLION TO SAVE HALF A MILLION OR
600,000. >> WE WOULD HAVE TO GET SEWER AND WATER UNDER THERE BEFORE WE POUR THE CONCRETE.
>> MR. MOORMAN: I'M NOT AS CONCERNED WITH THE DIFFERENTIAL ON THE SAVING AS MUCH AS IF WE DON'T HAVE THAT INGRESS EGRESS ON NORTH TENTH I'M JUST CONCERNED ABOUT HOW THAT'S GOING TO FUNCTION AND HOW EASIER DIFFICULT IT IS TO GET.
BECAUSE THAT'S A PRETTY DEEP PARKING LOT.
WAIT. THE FOOD TRUCK PARKING IS AT PEOPLE COMING INTO THE PARKING LOT AS THEY COME DOWN, WHEN THEY GET TO THE END OF THE PARKING LOT, THEY CAN USE THAT FOOD TRUCK LOOP ESSENTIALLY AS A CUL DE SAC.
SO THAT GIVES THEM A WAY TO TURN AROUND AND HEAD BACK NORTH.
>> MR. MOORMAN: SO THAT'S VALUABLE WHEN A FOOD TRUCK IS
NOT PRESENT. >> THERE'S THE FOOD TRUCKS ARE THERE. THERE'S STILL A LANE FOR PEOPLE TO GET BY IT ALLOWS FOOD TRUCKS TO COME IN.
IF THERE'S FOOD TRUCKS ALREADY THERE, FOOD TRUCKS COULD COME IN
AND FOOD TRUCKS COULD LEAVE. >> MR. MOORMAN: WOULDN'T THAT LINE -- WOULDN'T THERE BE PEOPLE --
>> THERE WOULD BE PEOPLE ON THE WINDOW.
>> MS. DOWELL: WE'VE STATIONED THEM ON THE INSIDE COVER UNDER
THAT SHADING AREA. >> MR. MOORMAN: THAT MAKES SENSE. Y'ALL HAVE DONE EVERYTHING.
GO AHEAD. I MEAN, I JUST AM CONCERNED ABOUT THAT PIECE OF THE FUNCTIONALITY.
>> MAYOR COFFMAN: I'M GOING TO GO TO ROSS AND THEN I'M GOING TO GO TO A VOTE ON THE BASE PORTION.
SO IF ANYONE HAS SPECIFIC COMMENTS ABOUT THE BASE PORTION, WE'LL TAKE A VOTE ON THAT VERY SOON.
AND THEN WE'LL GO TO THE OTHER ELEMENTS AFTER ROSS.
>> MR. WEAVER: YEAH, JUST QUICKLY RESPONDING TO CLARK DOING THE MATH FOR US. THEY'RE ON DAYS OF RESERVE FUNDS AND GETTING THIS KNOCKED OUT. WHEN WE LOOK AT THE AMOUNT OF FUNDS OVER AND ABOVE WHAT HAS BEEN ALLOCATED BY THE TYPE A TWO TYPE B CORPORATIONS, AT ANY TIME.
YOU SAY YES TO ONE THING, AND SAY NO TO SOMETHING ELSE BECAUSE WE HAVE FINANCIAL RESOURCES. AND I THINK MY ACCOUNTANT TO HIS POINT OF WE'VE GOT THE FUND BALANCE LET'S JUST RIP THE BAND AID OFF IS THERE NOT POTENTIALLY BETTER PLACES IN OUR COMMUNITY THAT YOU COULD INVEST THOSE DOLLARS RIGHT NOW, TODAY.
2 1/2 MILLION DOLLARS FOR A NET GAIN OF 47 PARKING SPACES AND SOME OCCASIONAL FOOD TRUCKS. ACTIVITY AS HAS BEEN SAID, IT'S NOT GOING TO BE ALL DAY, EVERY DAY.
IT'S GOING TO BE MORE EVENT BASED.
SEEMS PRETTY STEEP FOR 47 PARKING SPACES IN OUR DOWNTOWN.
I THINK THERE'S SOME OTHER AREAS WHERE WE CAN TAKE THAT SAME MONEY AND YIELD MUCH GREATER PARKING DENSITIES.
COULD I REMEMBER THE. I DON'T REMEMBER IT THE COST IS WITH THE REAL LINE DOWN THE SOUTH SIDE.
IT'S SIGNIFICANTLY MORE THAN 47 SPACES AND IT'S PERFECTLY, I THINK THE SAME. AMOUNT OF CONSTRUCTION COST.
SO THAT'S REALLY MY ONLY CONCERN THERE.
THAT REBUTTAL TO WHAT COUNCILMAN SAID THIS, I GET HIS LOGIC AND I GET HIS MATH. BUT I THINK EVERYTHING ON THIS SIDE OF THE TRAIN TRACKS, FROM THE BACK SIDE OF THE TRAIN TRACKS IT FITS THE EARLY BEEN ALLOCATED SO FAR, THE PART THAT'S OUTSIDE OF IT. I THINK WE HAVE TO WAIT AND MEASURE. WHAT ARE WE SAYING, NO TO? IF WE SAY YES TO THAT? OKAY.
>> MAYOR COFFMAN: THANK YOU ALL FOR THAT LIVELY DISCUSSION.
I WOULD LIKE TO CALL THE VOTE THE BASE BUDGET OF 1,721,297,376. I'M JUST PARAMETRIC.
THIS COVERS EVERYTHING ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE TRAIN TRACKS.
MINUS THE PAVERS ALONG A STREET. >> MR. MOORMAN: WAIT.
ALL RIGHT, I NEED ONE MORE CLARIFICATION.
IF IT'S OKAY, DOES THAT MEAN THE PEDESTRIAN CONNECTOR IS A PIECE OF THAT JUST IT GOES TO JUST THE STREET, LIKE THE STREET THAT'S
THERE NOW? >> THAT IS NOT A PART OF THE
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BASE. >> MR. MOORMAN: SO WE'RE STOPPING AT THE STARS, BUT IS THAT LED IF I'M LUCKY, THAT OKAY, I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE I KNOW WHAT I'M VOTING FOR.
>> MAYOR COFFMAN: GOOD QUESTION.
IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION REGARDING THE BASE AT THIS POINT? I'LL TAKE A MOTION ON THE BASE.
I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE BASE.
MOTION MADE BY MYSELF, SECOND BY COUNCILWOMAN HAMMONDS.
VOTE. >> JUST TO BE CLEAR, VOTING ON
ALL THE OPTIONS? >> MAYOR COFFMAN: WE'RE FACING ON THE VOTING ON THAT BASE ALONE.
I'D LIKE TO DISCUSS THE PAPER'S ALONG A STREET AND THE AMOUNT OF 454 55447. LET'S HAVE DIALOG ABOUT THAT.
>> IS THERE A NET BENEFIT TO PUTTING THE PAVERS IN AT THE TIME OF THE PROJECT RATHER THAN DOING IT AT A SEPARATE TIME? I KNOW THAT WAS KIND OF ASKED EARLIER.
I JUST WANTED CLARITY. >> THE COST COULD LIKELY GO UP
THE LONGER YOU WAIT. >> MR. MOORMAN: THAT'S TRUE ABOUT EVERY SINGLE THING WE PURCHASE.
JUST WITH TODAY'S DOLLARS, ARE WE GETTING IN THAT BENEFIT?
ASSUMING THERE IS NO -- >> YOU'RE JUST KIND OF HELPING THE BAND AID AND DOING ALL THE CONSTRUCTION AT ONCE.
SO YOU DON'T COME BACK AND SHUT IT DOWN FOR A COUPLE OF WEEKS OR MONTHS AND COME BACK AND DO IT AT THAT POINT.
>> MR. MOORMAN: SO IT WOULD TAKE MONTHS TO PUT THESE PAPERS
>> HOW LONG WOULD IT TAKE FOR YOU? SPEAK TO OUR UTILITIES THAT NEED TO BE DONE.
>> MR. MOORMAN: LIKE A COUPLE OF WEEKS?
>> A COUPLE OF MONTHS. >> MR. MOORMAN: THERE YOU GO.
>> WE'LL YOU SPEAK TO THE DESIGN, ARCHITECTURE ELEMENTS OF THE PAPERS AND WHAT BENEFITS NET BENEFIT THEY BRING?
>> TO ADHERE WAS TO RAISE THAT STRAIGHT UP.
SO IT WOULD BE WITH THE TOP OF THE CURVE.
SO EXTENDS THAT AS A FROM THE EAST SIDE OF THE ROAD ALL THE WAY ACROSS, RIGHT UP TO THE FRONT DOOR OF THE CITY HALL.
SO IT TAKES UP THE ROAD. AND MAKES EVERYTHING WITH THE PRICE. AND ADDRESSES WITH THE STREET.
IT MAKES YOU FEEL LIKE YOU'RE DRIVING THROUGH THAT SPACE, NOT JUST DOWN THE STREET. WHEN YOU DRESS UP AND YOU'RE ON TOP OF THE PAGES. COMING, IF YOU'RE LIKE YOU'RE INSIDE OF THE PLAZA ITSELF. IT'S JUST MORE OF A SENSE OF
BEING WITHIN THE PLAZA. >> AND THE OVERALL SCHEME IS LOOKING FROM THE CITY HALL TO THE SOUTH SOUTHEAST.
THROWBACK. SO THAT'S ALL FLESH, HENRY.
OKAY. >> I'M ASSUMING THERE WILL BE SOME SORT OF CROSSWALK OR WALKABILITY.
AND JUST TO BE CLEAR, I THINK IT WAS STATED BEFORE.
WE ALL ARE NOT REMOVING THE CONCRETE ROAD.
YOU'RE USING IT AS A SOLID FOUNDATION FOR THE PAVERS.
>> AT EACH END. >> RIGHT NOW, ONE IN THE MIDDLE.
THREE AND THEN MOVE THE PAVERS UP.
>> MR. MOORMAN: SO AGAIN JUST BECAUSE I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THAT IN MY LINGO. BASICALLY WHEN WE'RE DOING THE PAVERS, WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT JUST STICKING PAVERS IN THE GROUND. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ACTUALLY ELEVATING INTO AND AT HOME HERE YEAH? THAT'S WHY THE COST IS THAT I WAS THINKING, THAT SOUNDS CRAZY.
JUST TO STICK SOME PAPERS IN THE GROUND, BUT THAT MAKES A LOT
MORE SENSE. >> MAYOR COFFMAN: CLARK?
>> MR. WICKLIFFE: I ALREADY ASKED ROSS.
I'LL ASK STAFF. JUST TO CONFIRM, THE PAVERS IS JUST FOR. IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE PAVERS INSIDE THE PARK OR THE PAVERS YOU HAVE GOING DOWN F?
>> THAT'S CORRECT. IT'S JUST IT'S STRAIGHT.
IT'S NOT JUST THE PAVERS. THERE'S SOME STORM DRAIN IN THERE THAT HAS TO BE MODIFIED AND SOME THAT HAVE TO BE
CHANGED. >> MR. WICKLIFFE: IS THAT ONLY
>> MR. WICKLIFFE: OKAY. SO TO THAT POINT, THOSE MODIFICATIONS HAVE TO BE DONE EITHER WAY?
>> NO, THE ONLY -- >> MR. WICKLIFFE: ONLY WHEN YOU RAISE IT. YEAH.
AND THEN I JUST BECAUSE WE'RE ON THIS PICTURE AND I WANT TO MAKE SURE I KNOW PIN IT WAS ORIGINALLY A TALK OF THE ACADEMIC SIDE WAS GOING DOWN BY THE FOOD TRUCKS BUT IN THIS ROOM
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IT SHOWS WHICH IS WHERE I WOULD PREFER IT TO BE.BUT WHERE IS THE SIGN GOING. >> MS. DOWELL: THAT IS A THING THERE, BUT OUR I CAN'T SENSE THAT WITH FOUR B FOR M C D WHEN WE WERE DOING THAT AND IT MADE A SMALL, MEDIUM AND LARGE SIGNS.
THAT'S WHAT'S GOING THAT WOULD GO OVER BY THE FOOD TRUCK.
FOR THIS SIGN STAYS WHERE IT IS. >> MR. WICKLIFFE: OKAY.
>> MS. DOWELL: YES. >> MAYOR COFFMAN: ROSS?
>> MR. WEAVER: I THINK THIS ILLUSTRATES THE CONCERN OF ESPECIALLY THE PEDESTRIANS ON HERE, BECAUSE WHEN MAKING A, AND A PREFERABLE RIGHT OF WAY FOR THE VAST MAJORITY OF THE TIME.
YOU SUDDENLY, IN MY OPINION, ENHANCE THE UPDATING FOR MAN VERSUS VEHICLE. CONCLUSIONS THAT DON'T GENERALLY END WELL FOR THE MAN'S. AND RIGHT NOW WE HAVE A VERY DELINEATED AND DESIGNATED HUMP. EVEN IN THE MIDDLE OF THE ROAD THAT IS WHERE YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO CROSS THAT STREET.
BY RAISING IT UP, BY MAKING IT ALL ONE GRADE, I THINK YOU REMOVE SOME OF THOSE BARRIERS AND THAT ROAD STILL SEES QUITE A BIT OF THROUGHPUT OF TRAFFIC. ALBEIT LONG INTO THE EVENING HOURS. AND I THINK IT'S JUST ANOTHER REASON I WAS OPPOSED TO IT AT FIRST JUST BECAUSE IT'S A HALF MILLION DOLLAR VANITY PROJECT, IN MY OPINION.
BUT NOW I CAN SEE IT AS BEING EVEN MORE THAN THAT, AS A SIGNIFICANT SAFETY RISK AND CONCERN TO PROMOTE PEDESTRIAN VEHICLE ACTIVITY IN THE SAME SPACE.
>> MR. MOORMAN: I DIDN'T EVEN THINK ABOUT IT AS KIDS ARE PLAYING ON, I KNOW MY KIDS ARE NOT THE GREATEST ANYWAY, EVEN WHEN IT IS A DESIGNATED ROAD. NOT RUNNING IN.
I COULD SEE THEM AS KIND OF LIKE THE EASIER TRANSITION FOR THEM
TO KIND OF -- >> IS THEIR SAFETY AND WALKABILITY IN PEDESTRIAN PARKING'S A PART OF THIS IN THE PICTURE IS THAT A GENUINE CONCERN?
>> IT IS A CONCERN. PEOPLE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO PAY
ATTENTION. >> ARTHUR SOLUTIONS TO THESE
ISSUES THAT ARE RAISED? >> OTHER THAN JUST STRIPING, PUTTING SOME INDICATORS IN THE PAVEMENT THAT YOU'RE ENTERING A TRAFFIC ZONE? WE'D HAVE TO LOOK INTO THAT A LITTLE BIT. I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING BUT ON TOP
OF MY HEAD. >> MAYOR COFFMAN: COULD MARK THE CROSSWALK TO WHERE YOU WOULD HAVE AN ELEVATED DELINEATION OF
FOUR OR 5 INCHES? >> I DON'T KNOW ABOUT ELEVATING IT. WE COULD CHANGE THE PAVEMENT PATTERN FOR THE COLORS JUST AS IT SENT OUT.
AS DIFFERENT IMMEDIATELY IT SENT OUT DIFFERENT AS WELL FROM THE
FRONT DOOR OF CITY HALL ACROSS. >> BLUE PEAKS.
>> WE DON'T HAVE CURVES OF SPIRIT, SPIRIT THERE, NOT SHOWN IN THIS IMAGE. BUT AS OPPOSED TO THE CONCRETE LIST UPCOMING, WE HAVE BOLLARDS ON THE PLANS IN FRONT OF EACH PARKING SPOT TO PREVENT THE CARS FROM COMING IN.
THAT DOES PROVIDE SOME INDICATION.
FOR A SEPARATION BETWEEN PEDESTRIAN AND VEHICULAR SPACE.
>> MAYOR COFFMAN: OKAY. ALL RIGHTS.
ARE WE READY TO VOTE ON THE PAVERS? FURTHER DISCUSSION? TAKE A MOTION ON THE PAVERS.
>> MR. MOORMAN: MOTION. >> SECOND.
>> MAYOR COFFMAN: MOTION TO DENY BY COUNCIL MEMBER MOORMAN AND SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN WEAVER. PLEASE VOTE.
>> MOVE THIS ALONG. I'M NOT THAT.
>> DON'T GIVE IT YET. >> -- TIME PRESSING ISSUE ON THIS SPECIFIC DECISION? I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY THERE IS. BUT IT'S SOMETHING WE COULD LOOK FOR SOLUTIONS AND BRING IT BACK TO?
>> HOW LONG ARE THE BIDS GOOD FOR?
>> SO I THINK FOR ME, PREMIER LEAGUE, WHAT WAS THOUGHT ABOUT
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THE SAFETY CONCERN. I THINK THAT'S THAT'S I THINK IT LOOKS GREAT. AND I THINK IT WOULD BE COOL.BUT I CAN SEE KIDS WANDERING OUT THERE AND WE DON'T WANT THAT.
SO THAT'S MY PRIMARY CONCERN. >> MAYOR COFFMAN: GO AHEAD --
>> MS. HAMMONDS: THAT'S A NO GO FOR ME.
I'M IN DOWNTOWN ALL-DAY WATCHING PEOPLE SPEED THROUGH.
>> THE CONDITIONS ARE SIMILAR TO WHAT YOU HAVE NOW, BUT THE ELEVATION INSTEAD OF BEING IN THE MIDDLE OF THE STREET, IT'S
AT THE END OF THE STREET. >> IT'S ALMOST A LARGE TABLE.
>> MS. HAMMONDS: EDWARD. >> MAYOR COFFMAN: AND THEN YOU COME THROUGH AND THEN YOU GO BACK DOWN.
>> MS. HAMMONDS: WHICH WELCOMES ME TO SPEED UP BETWEEN THE TWO HOMES IN FRONT OF THE CITY HALL. THERE NOW?
>> IS JUST ONE. >> MS. HAMMONDS: IT'S RIGHT AT
THE HALFWAY MARK. >> THIS IS WHY I HAVE A BIG
TRUCK. >> NEAR, WE CAN GO BACK.
WE CAN ADD THOSE COMPONENTS TO THIS IMAGE AND TO THE PLANS, AND
THEN WE CAN BRING IT BACK. >> MAYOR COFFMAN: IS ALSO
AVAILABLE TO THAT? >> OR WE PUSH AND PAUSE ON THAT.
THAT'S. >> MAYOR COFFMAN: LET'S GO ON TO THE LAST PIECE, WHICH IS THE FOOD TRUCK SITE, EVERYTHING EAST OF THE RAILROAD. CONVERSATION ABOUT THAT.
I KNOW VERY MUCH EVERYONE'S STATED THEY'RE A PIECE OF IT.
I'M IN SUPPORT OF IT. I'M KIND OF WITH CCLARK THAT CONSTRUCTION HAS LONG CONSTRUCTION PERIODS HAVE IMPACT ON LOCAL BUSINESSES AND I WOULD LIKE TO RIP THE BAND-AID OFF PERSONALLY, AND I WOULD SAY THAT WE WITH THE SALES TAX DOLLARS ARE OUTPERFORMING AIR INITIAL EXPECTATIONS, I THINK THAT WE CAN JUSTIFY SPENDING THOSE SALES TAX DOLLARS AND APPLYING THEM HEAR, HEAR OKAY, I'M GOING TO GO LEFT TO RIGHT.
ALLEN? >> MR. MOORMAN: FOR ME, CAN WE GO BACK TO THE MAP, IF THAT'S OKAY? IT JUST TELLS ME, VISUALIZE. YOU WANT?
>> MR. MOORMAN: SO TO ME, I WANT THIS.
I THINK THIS WHOLE PROJECT IS SUPER COOL.
I THINK IT'S GOING TO BE REALLY AWESOME.
AND I THINK WE CAN FIGURE OUT A SOLUTION ON PAPERS, EVEN ON THAT END. I THINK THE AREA OF LEAST UTILIZATION AND LEASED BANG FOR THE BUCK IS THAT AREA TO -- WOULD THAT BE THE EAST? WHATEVER.
TO THE RIGHT OF THAT SCREEN. SO FOR ME, I'M A LITTLE BIT CONCERNED ABOUT THE FUNCTIONALITY.
I'M NOT SURE HOW MUCH IT'S GOING TO GET UTILIZED BECAUSE OF ITS LOCATION BECAUSE IT'S ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE TRACKS.
SO I DON'T -- I JUST DON'T SEE IT AS SUPER URGENT OR REALLY AS
COOL AS THE REST OF THE PROJECT. >> MS. HAMMONDS: I'M GOOD WITH
IT AS IS. >> MAYOR COFFMAN: CLARK?
>> MR. WICKLIFFE: I WAS GOING TO MAKE A COMMENT THAT WE SPENT THAT MUCH, IF NOT MORE, ON THAT WAY FURTHER AWAY.
AND AS FAR AS UTILIZATION GOES. >> MAYOR COFFMAN: OKAY.
I AGREE. WE DID SPEND THAT MUCH FURTHER AWAY THAN HAS SIGNIFICANTLY MORE PARKING SPACES AND I ALSO THINK THERE ARE OTHER AREAS IN TOWN. THERE'S MANY OTHER PRODUCTS IN OUR COMMUNITY THAT ALREADY EXISTING IN OUR NETWORK THAT SIT TODAY IN A DILAPIDATED STATE, NOT TO NEGLECT.
JUST THROUGH AGE AND TIME AND THERE'S A LOT OF THOSE AREAS THAT WE ALREADY OWNED AND MAINTAINED THAT OUR SIGNIFICANT NEED OF REVITALIZATION. AND THAT WE HAVE AN UPCOMING
PROJECT ON REMIND ME OF THAT. >> RIDGEVIEW PARK.
THEY'LL BE TALKING TO YOU SOON. >> MAYOR COFFMAN: THAT TAKES AN AREA THAT HAS BEEN CONSISTENT FOR A VERY, VERY LONG TIME AND STARTS TO ACTIVATE IT AND MAKE IT INTO SOMETHING OUR RESIDENTS CAN USE, AND I THINK THAT WE CAN BETTER ALLOCATE THESE FUNDS FOR DISTRIBUTED TO OUR OUR PARKS AND NETWORK TO DO THAT AND HAVE MORE IMPACT REGIONALLY AROUND OUR COMMUNITY.
I THINK THE CORE OF THIS PROJECT STANDS ON ITS OWN.
I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF QUESTIONS AS FAR AS RAILROAD USE AND LICENSING AGREEMENT TEXT QUESTIONS, WHO OWNS THE ACTUAL WAVEFRONT, CAN WE CONNECT TO. IT'S? I HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT IT BEING A ONE WAY AND A ONE WAY OUT.
I HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT USING THE AREA IN FRONT OF WHERE A FOOD TRUCK WOULD BE, AND PATRONS, AND THAT TRUCK WOULD BE STANDING FOR THE TURNAROUND LOCATION. AGAIN, NOW WE'RE TALKING ABOUT
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THE RECENT VEHICLE CONUNDRUM AND DESIGNING SOMETHING THAT WOULD POTENTIALLY PUT THAT INTO CONFLICT, BECAUSE THE INSTANT ACCESS POINT IS NOT MAYBE READILY AVAILABLE TO US.SO I THINK THERE'S WAY TOO MANY UNKNOWNS HERE FOR ME ANYWAYS TO JUSTIFY ALLOCATING SUCH A GENEROUS PORTION OF UNRESERVED
FUND BALANCE. >> MAYOR COFFMAN: OKAY, THANK YOU. CLARK?
>> MR. WICKLIFFE: 2,000 QUESTION.
THE 2 MILLION ASIDE, IF WE WERE TO ACTIVATE THAT PARCEL, I MEAN, ARE WE AT LEAST IN AGREEMENT THAT THAT PARCEL HIGH.
USE WOULD BE A PARKING LOT? BECAUSE AT THE END OF THE DAY, IF WE CUT THAT/, CUT THE FOOD TRUCKS, WOULD WE STILL NOT PUT A PARKING LOT? SO I GUESS THAT'S MY THING, IS IF WE WANT TO ARGUE SPLASH PAD AND FOOD TRUCKS, THAT'S FINE.
SCHOOLS WOULD BE A PARKING LOT. >> PARKING IS, WE, IF IT WAS A PARKING LOT WITH SOME PRETTY TREES AND THE GREEN SPACE WITHOUT THE OTHER PIECES, I MEAN, IT'D BE, SLIGHTLY REDUCED COST AND I'D PROBABLY BE MORE SUPPORTIVE OF IT.
SO I AGREE WITH YOU ON THE PARKING.
>> MR. WICKLIFFE: OBVIOUSLY IT'S ABOUT THE MONEY.
REALLY, WE'RE ALL IN AGREEMENT THAT IT SHOULD BE A PARKING LOT.
WE'RE JUST NOT ON AGREEMENT ON THE $2 MILLION AND THE SPLASH
PAD OR FOOD TRUCKS. >> MR. MOORMAN: THAT'S THE PART THAT UTILIZATION IS GOING TO BE LOW ON BASED ON THIS OTHER STUFF, THE IDEA THAT SOMEBODY IS GOING TO GO DOWN THERE AND MAYBE I'LL BE PROVEN WRONG, COULD SOMETHING'S GOING TO DRIVE ALL THE WAY DOWN THERE AND BE AT THAT LITTLE GREEN SPACE INSTEAD OF BEING AT THIS GINORMOUS PARK ACROSS THE WAY, LIKE I JUST -- I DON'T SEE IT. FOR ME PERSONALLY.
SPEAKING. I THINK THEY'RE TOTALLY DIFFERENT REALIZATIONS. I THINK THAT SPLASH PAD AND THE PARKING LOT, SEPARATE BUT TOGETHER.
I THINK IF YOU COME DOWN, IN. YOU'RE GOING TO COME DOWN HERE AND POSSIBLY GET THE SPLASH PAD. WAS HIS COMMENT.
MAYBE FOOD TRUCKS AND THEN GO ABOUT YOUR DAY.
I DON'T KNOW THAT IT'S ALWAYS GOING TO BE A CONNECTION BETWEEN THAT MAIN HERITAGE PLAZA AND THIS FOOD TRUCK AREA THAT'S THE
WAY I'M SEEING. >> MS. DOWELL: AND THAT IS THE PHASE TWO MAIN STREET. SO THAT'S PART OF IT.
IS IT'S DRAWING YOU IN TO GET YOU TO COME IN.
AND THEN AS PEOPLE, IN, IN, THEY GO THROUGH THAT.
THEN THEY'RE SEEING FOUNDERS WELL, GOOD THEN THEY REALIZE THEY GO OVER HERE TO THE LEFT AND THEY'VE GOT THE PARK AND BACK ALLEY PLAZA. SO IT'S JUST A GATEWAY TO MAIN STREET BECAUSE WE REALLY DON'T HAVE ANYTHING, ALONG MAIN STREET. I MEAN, WE HAVE THESE RESTAURANTS ON THE SIDE. WE DON'T HAVE ANY GREEN SPACE OR ANYTHING THAT KIND OF CHANGES THE ESTHETICS OF IT.
AND THAT WAS THE POINT OF IT. AND.
>> MS. HAMMONDS: SMULLER PROGRAMING.
, YOU COULD HAVE A BUNCH OF DIFFERENT EVENTS.
AND AGAIN, TO MIND. YOU THEY'RE GOING TO BE LOOKING TO PROGRAM ALL THIS. SO THIS IS ALL GOING TO CONTINUE TO GROW AND CHANGE. SO THERE WILL BE DIFFERENT.
USES FOR EACH AREA. AND SOME OF THE FESTIVALS MIGHT USE EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THE AREAS ON THE SAME DAY.
>> MAYOR COFFMAN: OKAY. EVERYONE READY TO VOTE ON THIS PIECE? WE'LL TAKE A MOTION ON THIS FOOD
TRUCK AREA, QUOTE/UNQUOTE. >> I MOVE TO APPROVE.
>> MAYOR COFFMAN: MOTION TO APPROVE BY MAYOR PRO TEM WITH.
PLEASE VOTE. ITEM PASSES, 5-1.
OKAY, SO THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR PATIENCE IN THE CONVERSATION AROUND THIS TOPIC. I KNOW THIS IS COMPLEX, BUT THANK YOU BOTH FOR BEING HERE AND FOR YOUR PRESENTATION.
I GUESS AS TO FOLLOW UP, THE ONLY PART IN QUESTION AT THIS POINT IS THE PAGES AND THAT STRUCTURE AND YOU ALL BRING SOME SAFETY POTENTIAL SOLUTIONS AND SOME ANSWERS TO SOME QUESTIONS THAT ULTIMATELY WILL TAKE ACTION ON A LATER DATE ON THAT PIECE.
SO WE'LL GO TO YOU, CHRIS. DO WE NEED TO DO ANYTHING ON
FUNDING? >> MR. DICK: WE WILL HAVE TO BRING FUNDING BACK, WE MAY HAVE TO SEE HOW MUCH WE ACTUALLY NEED, WILL WORK WITH HENRY AND HEATHER ON HELP WE CAN MAKE THESE CHANGES AND BRING IT ALL BACK.
BUT WE WILL HAVE TO APPROVE FUNDING FOR THAT OTHER PIECE.
>> MAYOR COFFMAN: IT'S BEEN A LONG PROCESS ON THIS
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ONE SPECIFICALLY MULTIPLE YEARS, MULTIPLE ITERATIONS OF THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT BOARD COMMITTEE, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT BOARD, SEVERAL STAFF MEMBERS, AT SEVERAL COMMITTEE MEMBERS, STAKEHOLDERS, ETC. A LONG PROCESS TO GET US HERE TO THIS POINT. SO I JUST WANT TO ISSUE A GENTLEMAN. THANKS TO ALL THOSE THAT PARTICIPATED, FOR THOSE THAT AGREED OR DISAGREED, ALL VALID.ALL MATTERS. AND ULTIMATELY THIS IS THE DIRECTION, THE DECISION THAT WE'RE HEADED.
SO 18 MONTHS FROM NOW, WELL BE PLAYING AT THE PARK.
>> THANK YOU MAYOR AND COUNCIL. >> MAYOR COFFMAN: OKAY, COUNCIL, THERE'S NO ITEMS EXCLUDING TONIGHT THAT ARE GOING TO BE TAKEN ACTION ON OR HEARD IN EXECUTIVE SESSION.
SO WE'RE GOING TO ADJOURN. EARLY TONIGHT.
9:00 PM, WE ARE
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