[Call to Order, Invocation and Pledge of Allegiance]
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>> IT IS 6:00 P.M. JUNE 26789 WE IS A FULL COUNCIL SO I CALLED OUR WORKSHOP TOGETHER. TONIGHT REVEREND REG UNDERSTAND REYNOLDS WILL LEAD US IN OUR INVOCATION FOR THE WORKSHOP.
>> LET US PRAY. GOT OF GRACE, GOD OF GLORY, HOW WE THANK THEE FOR THIS DAY. HOW YOU WERE KIND ENOUGH TO INCLUDE ALL OF US IN THIS DAY. WE ACKNOWLEDGE WE'RE FRAGILE, WE ADMIT THAT WE HAVE FLAWS. BUT WE CELEBRATE YOUR FAITHFULNESS AND HOW YOU LOVE US AND HOW YOU CARE SO VERY MUCH FOR US. WE LIFT UP OUR LEADERS IN WASHINGTON, D.C. PLEASE IMIMPORTANT TO THEM YOUR WISDOM SO YOU MAY GUIDE US. WE PRAY THAT YOU WILL COVER THIS YOUR WORLD. WE PRAY FOR A SOLUTION TO THE VIRUS, AN END TO THE VIOLENCE. PLEASE GLORIFY YOUR SON.
YOU RAISED HIM FROM THE GRAVE TO LET US KNOW WE HAVE NO PROBLEMS THAT YOU CAN'T SOLVE. WE THANK YOU NOW IN JESUS NAME, AMEN. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAGT ATES OF AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND
JUSTICE FOR ALL. >> ITEM 2020-175.
CITIZENS TO BE HEARD F. ANYONE WISHES TO SPEAK ON SOME TOPIC OTHER THAN THE TOPIC THE PARK PLEASE COME FORWARD NOW AND HAVE
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>> I HAVE TWO SPEAKERS BUT BOTH ARE FOR THE PARK.
WE'LL GO TO REVIEW AND DISCUSS DESIGN AND DEVELOPMENT OF THE COMMUNITY PARK PHASE TWO AND DIRECT STAFF AS NECESSARY.
OUR CITY MANAGER YOU HAVE TWO COMMENTS IF YOU WOULD READ THEM
IN THE RECORD. >> FIRST IS FROM KENNETH.
2830 CLEAR VIEW DRIVE. HI SAYS I'VE LIVED HERE SINCE 1938. I WOULD BE THERE IN PERSON TONIGHT BUT FOR HEALTH REASONS I'M NOT GOING TO PUBLIC PLACES.
I'VE BEEN INTERESTED IN THE CITY PARKS FOR MANY YEARS.
AS A TAXPAYER I WANT THE PARK. I BELIEVE WE SHOULD DEVELOP THE PARK AS PROMISED IN HIGH STANDARDS F. YOU LOWER STANDARDS WE WILL BE LIKE OTHER COMMUNITIES THAT HAVE LOWER QUALITY OF LIFE. I HAVE MANY RENTAL PROPERTIES AND MY RENTERS ARE ATTRACTED TO THE PROSPECT OF GREAT PARKS.
I'M CERTAIN ANY REALTORS ARE USING THE PARK AS A SELLING POINT. I HOPE THE CITY COUNCIL WILL SUPPORT THE PARK PHASE TWO DEVELOPMENT TO THE FULLEST EXTENT THEY ARE ABLE TO FUND IT. THE NEXT SPEAKER IS CHRIS ROBINSON. I WAS LATE FOR LAST WEEK'S MEETING AND SAW THERE WAS OPPOSITION.
IN RESPONSE TO THE UP COMING WORKSHOP I WOULD LIKE TO ADD A COUPLE OF THOUGHTS. I'M IN FAVOR OF THE EXPANSION ALTHOUGH I SEE THE NEED FOR MOVING FORWARD COST EFFICIENTLY IN TODAY'S TIMES. THIS PARK HAS BEEN PLANNED FOR YEARS AND CONSTRUCTION COST ARE ONLY GOING TO INCREASE.
I ASK THAT BE TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT WHEN CONSIDERING DELAYS.
I FEEL THE AMPHITHEATRE FOREMOST COULD WAIT FOLLOWED BY THE SPLASH PAD ONLY GIVEN THE HESITANCE NOW FOR LARGE GATHERINGS. THE COMMUNITY PARK WAS IS A HUGE
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BENEFIT FOR THE PAST MONTHS AND IS A HIGHLIGHT FOR TO US ENJOY WITH OUR FAMILIES. I LOVE WALKING THE TRAIL WHILE MY DAUGHTER PLAYS WITH FRIENDS. PEOPLE WERE PLAYING, WORKING OUT ALL WHILE MAINTAINING SAFE DISTANCES FROM OTHER GROUPS AND JUST ENJOYING THE OUTDOORS. IT WAS SO NICE TO GET OUT OF OUR BACKYARD AND HAVE AN OUTDOOR SPACE TO HANG OUT AND ENJOY.I SAY THAT AS SOMEONE LIVING ON A ONE ACRE LOT.
IT'S FUN TO GO SOMEWHERE TOO. THE MULTIPURPOSE SPORTS WOULD TAKE THE WEAR AND TEAR OFF THE CURRENT COURTS AT THE SPORTS COMPLEX. I'VE SENT EMAILS AND SPOKEN TO STAFF ABOUT THIS IN THE PAST. PLEASE MAKE IT FOOTBALL FRIENDLY. IT WOULD BE A BENEFIT TO HAVE ADDITIONAL FACILITIES TO LIMIT CROWDING.
I'M A HUGE PROPONENT OF PARKS AND FACILITIES.
THEY ENHANCE THE LIFESTYLE OF OUR COMMUNITY.
WHILE I THINK THE AMPHITHEATRE CAN WAIT I'VE ENJOYED FUN EVENTS AND LOOK FORWARD TO HAVING THIS IN THE CITY SOON.
PEOPLE DON'T UNDERSTAND TAX RATES AND WHEN THEY GET A HUGE INCREASE IN THEIR TAX BILL THEY AUTOMATICALLY OPPOSE ANYTHING THAT COST MONEY. THE BOND MONEY IS THERE LET'S
USE IT EFFICIENTLY. >> FIRST SPEAKER IS MATTHEW VIVIAN. YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES.
STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS. >> MY NAME IS MATT VIVIAN.
MY WIFE AND I LIVE AT 405 LAKE PARK DRIVE.
OUR HOUSE LOOKS AT THE POND WHICH WE ENJOY.
WE LOVE THE VIEW, WATCHING THE BIRDS; WE SEE A LOT OF PEOPLE AND FAMILIES ENJOYING THE POND. WE SEE THEM FISHING.
WE BOUGHT THE LOT BECAUSE WE WANTED THE VIEW OF THE POND AND WE SAW A MAP OF THE PARK'S POTENTIAL AND AMPHITHEATRE AND TRAILS. I WANTED TO JOG THOSE TRAILS.
THE HOME WAS SOLD TO US WITH AN IDEA THAT THE PARK WOULD BE FINISHED SOON. THREE YEARS LATER WE'RE STILL LOOKING AT A BIG PILE OF DIRT. I'M BAFFLED BY WHY IT'S TAKEN SO LONG. THAT'S WHY I'M HERE.
I'VE HEARD IT SAID PEOPLE DON'T USE THE PARK.
ANYONE WHO SAYS THAT PROBABLY DOESN'T USE THE PARK SO HOW CAN THEY KNOW. ON SUNDAY MORNING I WENT FOR A JOG AROUND THE TRAIL AND I SAW A LOT OF PEOPLE OUT THERE JOGGING, WALKING THEIR DOGS AND EXERCISES.
I SAW A DAD PLAYING THE FIELD TO PLAY FLAG FOOTBALL WITH A TEAM OF BOYS. WHEN MY FEOFF KNEWS CAME TO TOWN I TOOK THEM TO THE JUNGLE GYM. THEY LOVE THE SPIDER WEB BUN GEE CHORDS. FROM SUN UP TO SUN DOWN THERE IS ALWAYS SOMEONE AT THE POND FISHING IF THE WEATHER IS NICE.
THERE IS A LOT OF PEOPLE ALREADY ENJOYING THE PARK.
MORE AND MORE PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BE MOVING HERE AND I THINK THE PARK SHOULD BE READY FOR THEM.
IT'S A GREAT FREE THING FOR FAMILIES IN OUR COMMUNITY TO DO.
I ALSO WANT THE SPLASH PAD AND BALL FIELDS TO BE READY FOR WHEN I HAVE KIDS. THIS PARK IS WHAT SOLD ME ON HAVING OUR HOUSE BUILT HERE. I WANTED THE HOUSE NEXT TO A PARK. SO I'M HOPING THAT IT'S FINISHED SOON. THANK YOU.
>> NEXT SPEAKER IS DARRYL THRONE.
>> I'M DARRYL THRONE. 3413 MIDDLE RIDGE DRIVE.
I LIVE NEXT TO THE PARK. WE BOUGHT THE HOUSE THAT WE'RE IN -- [INAUDIBLE] WE'RE READY FOR THIS PARK TO BE BUILT. WE WERE DISAPPOINTED THAT THE WALKING TRAIL THAT GOES DOWN THE GAS PIPELINE DIDN'T GET BUILT.
AND WE WERE TOLD THAT IT WAS BECAUSE THERE WAS NO OPPOSITION, NO ONE SPOKE AGAINST IT AND SO YOU GUYS MAYBE NOT Y'ALL, MAYBE A DIFFERENT COUNCIL LET IT GO AND NOT BUILT.
WE STILL WANT THAT BUILT. WE WANT THE BRIDGE TO CROSS.
WE WANT TO GET DIRECT ACCESS THROUGH PHASE ONE THAT NEVER GOT BUILT. SO THAT WAS A MAJOR DISAPPOINTMENT. HERE WE ARE YEARS LATER AND WE'RE READY FOR A PARK. I DON'T UNDERSTAND THE REASON FOR THE DELAY LIKE HE SAID. IT'S COSTED MORE AND MORE AND MORE AS TIME GOES ON. MY SUGGESTION AND MY VOTE IS START AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. LET'S SPEND THE MONEY THAT THE
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CITIZENS VOTED FOR TO PUT THE PARK IN.IT'S NOT GOING TO GO FOR ANYTHING ELSE.
YOU CAN'T SAVE IT. YOU CAN'T SLUSH IT.
LET'S KEEP IT NICE. IT NEEDS TO GO TO THE PARK AND AS SOON AS POSSIBLE IN MY OPINION.
THANK YOU. >> NEXT SPEAKER IS ASHLEY EMMER SOBSON. EMMERSON.
>> GOOD EVENING. MY FAMILY AND I LIVE AT 214IVE COURT. WHILE WE HAVEN'T BEEN HERE LONG ENOUGH TO HAVE TAKEN PART IN A VOTE FOR A PARK, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT DREW US TO THE AREA IT WAS FOCUS ON COMMUNITY FACILITIES, ON PLACES FOR OUR CHILDREN TO GO PLAY, FOR THE BALLPARKS, FOR ESPECIALLY HAVING SOMETHING SO CLOSE TO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. THAT WAS A BIG DRAWING POINT FOR GETTING US HERE TO THIS COMMUNITY.
NOW WE WERE NOT HERE FOR THE INITIAL TIME.
BUT WE'RE GETTING TO THE POINT WHERE WE'RE WAITING FOR SOMETHING RIGHT. LIKE EVERYTHING IS GROWING.
THE COST TO IMPLEMENT THIS PARK IS GROWING.
THE KIDS OF THE FAMILIES WHO VOTED FOR THIS PARK ARE E GROWING AND MAY SOON OUT GROW THE PARK THEIR PARENTS VOTED FOR. THE ONLY THING THAT IS NOT GROWING IS CONFIDENCE LEVELS THIS PARK IS EVER GOING TO GET BUILT IN SOME CALF CAPACITY. MY CAPACITY.
THE COMMUNITY MAY BENEFIT FROM THE THAT'S ONLY WRONG ANSWER AT THIS POINT IN TIME. WE NEED TO MOVE FORWARD WITH SOMETHING. WHATEVER THAT MAY BE.
IT'S AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THE COMMUNITY TO FEEL CONFIDENT AGAIN WHATEVER THEY VOTE FOR WHENEVER I GET THE OPPORTUNITY TO VOTE FOR AN INITIATIVE FOR THIS COMMUNITY WE'VE GROWN TO LOVE, WE ENJOY BEING HERE THAT WE CAN FEEL CONFIDENT IT'S GOING TO GET DONE IN THE MANNER IN WHICH WE VOTED FOR IT TO BE DONE IN THE WAY WE FUND IT. I ASK TO YOU TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION WHEN YOU MAKE YOUR DECISIONS.
THANK YOU. >> BEFORE WE CONTINUE, I HAVE TWO BRIEF COMMENTS I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE.
I HAVE JUST COMPLETED MY FIRST YEAR AS MAYOR AND THE PARK HAS TAKEN A LOT OF THE TIME IN THIS YEAR.
I WANT TO BE CLEAR ABOUT ONE THING.
IN ALL MANNERS NOT JUST THE PARK, IN ALL MANNERS STAFF HAS BEEN RESPONSIVE AND DONE A GENTLEMAN'S JOB.
AND A LOT OF THIS FLUX HAS PUT EXTRA WORK ON THEM AND THEY'VE DONE THAT WITHOUT COMPLAINT OR TOO MUCH.
AND THEY HAVE BEEN RESPONSIVE AND IT IS THE STAFF HAS STEPPED UP AND HELPED US THROUGH THIS PROCESS.
SECOND POINT IS WE ARE IN AN UNCERTAIN TIME.
I AM FRANKLY PUZZLED BECAUSE WE'RE BREAKING A LOT OF RULES THAT I GREW UP WITH IN ECONOMICS.
WE HAVE TO BE FISCALLY RESPONSIBLE AND ACCOUNTABLE TO THE CITIZENS. AND I THINK ONE THING IS DEFINITELY TRUE, WE'RE GOING TO NEED COMPROMISE TO GET THROUGH THIS MOMENT. I AM CONFIDENT EVERYBODY WANTS THE PARK. THAT IS NOT IN QUESTION.
SO HOPEFULLY TONIGHT WE CAN FIND A WAY TO GO GUARD AND PUT CLOSURE AT LEAST IN THE NEAR TERM FOR THIS MATTER.
>> THERE ARE THREE PIECES OF PAPER.
ONE HAS QUESTIONS ON IT. ONE IS THE BID TAB WE TALKED ABOUT FOR $21 MILLION. AND THEN THE THIRD ONE ARE POSSIBLE DEDUCTS I'LL GO OVER ANYWAY LITTLE BIT.
HOPEFULLY WHAT WE WANT TO TRY TO GET TO ARE THESE FOUR QUESTIONS THAT WE HANDED OUT. NUMBER ONE IS WHAT IS THE OVERALL PRICE THAT YOU AS A COUNCIL ARE COMFORTABLE SPENDING ON COMMUNITY PARK PHASE TWO. NUMBER TWO IS IF THE ANSWER TO QUESTION NUMBER SOMEONE GREAT IRTHAN 1.1 MILLION WHICH IS WHAT WE HAVE LEFT IN THE BOND , WHAT ARE YOU COMFORTABLE WITH AS FAR AS WHERE THAT MONEY COMES FROM. FOR EXAMPLE ADDITIONAL CITY
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DEBT. AND THEN NUMBER FOUR IF THE MONEY IS WANTED HOW TO SPEND THIS MONEY.EXAMPLE TURF INFIELDS AND OR LARGER SPLASH PAD.
THAT IS NOT COMING FROM 4B THAT'S A QUESTION STAFF HAS IN ORDER TO MOVE FORWARD. THOSE ARE SOME OF THE THINGS WE WANT TO TRY TO GET A READ ON TONIGHT IN ORDER TO MOVE FORWARD. LET'S GO TO THE THIRD HANDOUT RIGHT NOW. THOSE ARE THE POSSIBLE DEDUCTIONS. ALL OF THESE ARE A POSSIBLY REDUCTION. REDUCES IT $2 MILLION.
THE MAIN THING THAT IT REDUCES ARE THE BASEBALL FIELDS.
IT REDUCES FIELDS TWO AND SIX FROM THE FIVE FIELDS.
IT REDUCES THE TWO FIELDS AND THAT'S WHERE WE CAN REALIZE THE SAVINGS OF ABILITY $2 MILLION. OPTION TWO T ONE BELOW THAT, THAT IS MAINLY DELETING THE COMMUNITY ASPECT OF THE PARK.
THE PLAYGROUND AND THIS TOTALLY DELETES THOSE.
DELETES THE SIS EARN THE. THE PLAYGROUND RESTROOM PAVILION WHICH IS ALSO THE AMPHITHEATRE. AND IT DELETES ARTIFICIAL TURFS AND THEN SOME OF THE PARKING AS WELL.
DELIGHTS PARKING AT THE PLAYGROUND.
IT DELETES THE SMALL BRAY PLAYGROUND AT THE BALL FIELD.
REDUCES THE LARGE PLAYGROUND SIZE IN HALF.
REDUCES THE PLAYGROUND SIZE TO ITS ORIGINAL SIZE.
DUMPSTER STORAGE. COLOR STAMP CONCRETE FROM THE FIRE LANE THAT GOES AROUND THE BASEBALL.
IT REPLACES BOTH THE BASEBALL RESTROOM BUILDING AND THE PLAYGROUND RESTROOM BUILDING WITH THE PREFABRICATED RESTROOM WHICH COULD BE SIMILAR TO WHAT WE HAVE AT THE CURRENT COMMUNITY PARK. THAT RESTROOM.
DELETES THE DUGOUT ROOFS. BASKETBALL COURT, SAND VOLLEYBALL, MULTIPURPOSE COURT. THE LIGHTING.
SOME OF THE SITE MASONRY AND EXCLUDES FIELDS TWO AND SIX.
THAT SAVES APPROXIMATELY $6.7 MILLION.
WITH THAT WE CAN START THE DISCUSSION ON THE QUESTIONS AND
THE NUMBERS THAT ARE BEFORE YOU. >> I HAVE A QUESTION FIRST.
YOU MAY WANT TO TAKE THEM SEPARATELY.
BUT FOR EACH OF THE THREE OPTION, GENERALLY SPEAKING OVER TIME HOW MUCH OF EACH OPTION CAN BE ADDED BACK IN AND DONE LATER?
CAN THESE ITEMS BE BROUGHT BACK? >> WE HAVE RED WHO CAN ANSWER SOME OF THE QUESTIONS. OPTION ONE WOULD BE RELATIVELY EASY BECAUSE THOSE ARE TWO FIELD TONS OUTSIDE.
YOU ARE NOT AFFECTING ANYTHING ON THE INTERNAL.
AND YOU ARE NOT TOUCHING THE COMMUNITY PLAY AREA.
OPTION TWO -- [INAUDIBLE] YOU ARE DELETING THE MAJORITY OF THE PLAYGROUND AREA. THE WHOLE COMMUNITY ASPECT , WHAT WE'RE CONSIDERING THE COMMUNITY ASPECT.
THREE IS GETTING PRETTY TOUGH JUST BECAUSE YOU ARE HODGEPODGING IT AND YOU WOULD HAVE TO COME IN AND BE PRECISE AND STRATEGIC AS TO HOW YOU MAKE THOSE IMPROVEMENTS IN THE
FUTURE. >> BUT IT IS POSSIBLE TO BRING
SOME OF THAT IN LATER? >> IT'S ALL POSSIBLE TO BRING THINGS IN LATER. EXPANDING THE PLAYGROUND AND SPRAY PAD, THOSE ARE A LOT MORE DIFFICULT.
>> WHERE I'M TRYING TO GET WITH THIS, I NEED IN ORDER TO UNDERSTAND WHAT CAN BE FUNDED AND I'M FEEDING A LITTLE BIT OFF
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OF SOME FOLKS WHO MADE COMMENTS TONIGHT WHICH I'M VERY APPRECIATIVE OFMENT I WANT TO MAKE A COUPLE OF QUICK COMMENTS.THE ORIGINAL VOTE FOR THE PARK WAS 50.75% TO 49.25 AND THE DIFFERENCE WAS 26 VOTES. THAT'S IT.
SO WE HAVE A MASSIVE DIVISION AMONGST OUR COMMUNITY ABOUT HOW THE MONEY SHOULD BE SPENT. I THINK AT LEAST -- I THINK I CAN TALK FOR THE COUNCIL BUT I KNOW FOR MYSELF THAT I'M INTERESTED IN DOING THE WHOLE PARK.
ALL FACETS OF THE ENTIRE PARK AS MUCH AS WE CAN ESPECIALLY THE MAJOR COMPONENTS OF THE PARK. BUT IN CASE FOLKS ARE WONDERING WHY ISN'T THIS PARK DONE , THE FOLKS VOTED FOR $16.1 MILLION BOND. THEY DIDN'T VOTE FOR ANY EXTRA DOLLARS AT ALL. WE DESIGNED A 23.1 MUNICIPAL DOLLARS PARK. I NEED A STARTING POINT IS MY PROBLEM. I NEED TO KNOW, I DON'T KNOW WHERE THE 16.1 COMES FROM. WHAT WE'RE GOING TO SPEND FOR THE DIFFERENT FACETS OF THE PARK AND WHAT WE CAN AFFORD, WE HAVE TO FIGURE OUT WHAT WE PROMISED THE FOLKS WE WERE GOING TO GIVE THEM. AND THE ONLY THING I CAN FIND IS THESE TWO SHEETS OF PAPER. IS THIS THE BUDGET? FROM THE DAY OF THE BOND, IS THIS THE BUDGET?
>> THAT IS WHAT WAS PRESENTED. THAT IS WHAT WAS PRESENTED IN
17. >> SO THERE IS NOT A BACKUP LINE ITEM BUDGET. THIS IS WHAT WE HAVE TO SPEND PER THE 16.1 , THIS IS WHAT WE'RE GOING THE GIVE THEM.
THIS IS THE STARTING POINT? >> THAT WAS THE STARTING POINT.
SO WHEN THAT GOT APPROVED, KEEP IN MIND IT GOT APPROVED IN NOVEMBER 2017. I GOT A HISTORY OF TIME LINE OF THIS PARK. BUT IN JANUARY OF 2018, SO JUST A FEW MONTHS LATER WE ASKED THE CONSULTANTS TO DO A PREENGINEERING STUDY. WE SAID WE WANT TO YOU DO STAKE HOLDER INTERVIEWS AND TALK TO ASSOCIATIONS.
IT WAS SAID IN THAT IT COULD COME BACK THIS IS GOING TO BE MORE COSTLY. YOU START ASKING PEOPLE WHAT THEY WANT AND YOU START HEARING IT.
AND THE SCOPE GETS BIGGER ETC. SO THAT PROCESS HAPPENED.
THAT CULMINATED IN A MEETING IN NOVEMBER OF 2018 WHERE THERE WAS I BELIEVE 11 DIFFERENT SCENARIOS OF WHAT THE PARK WOULD LOOK LIKE. AND THE COUNCIL CHOSE ONE.
AND SAID THAT'S THE ONE WE WANT TO MOVE FORWARD W. THEY KNEW IT WAS GOING TO BE MORE EXPENSIVE. THAT'S THE ONE WE PICKED.
SO WE FINISHED THAT REPORT IN MARCH OF 2019.
SAID THAT PARK THAT WAS PICKED AND DESIGNED WAS $23 MILLION.
THERE WAS ANOTHER PHASE THAT SAID YOU CAN LOOK AT A REDUCED SCOPE OF 16 MILLION. COUNCIL SAID NO, WE WANT TO ENGINEER THE FULL SCOPE, 23 MILLION.
SO THAT WAS BROUGHT TO COUNCIL. IN JUNE 25TH.
RIGHT AFTER THE MAYOR TOOK THE SEAT.
AND THERE WAS SOME HESITATION ABOUT THAT FULL ENGINEERING BEING DONE BECAUSE WE KNEW IT WAS GOING TO BE MORE MONEY THAN WE HAD. SO WE THE VOTE FAILED.
TOOK IT TO A WORKSHOP AND CAME BACK IN JULY AS WE WERE DIRECTED TO BRING THE FULL ENGINEERING SCOPE BACK AT 23 MILLION.
IT WAS VOTED APPROVED IN JULY OF 2019.
WE WENT FORWARD WITH THIS DESIGN IN ENGINEERING KNOWING IT WAS GOING TO BE MORE. OF COURSE THAT'S WHERE WE STAND TODAY. YES, IF YOU WANT TO -- IF WE GO BACK TO NOVEMBER OF 2017, THAT 16.1 AND THAT PARK DESIGN WAS WHAT WE HAD. THAT DESIGN AS YOU WELL KNOW DOESN'T LOOK ANYTHING LIKE THE DESIGN THAT WE HAVE TODAY NOR DOES IT INCLUDE A LOT OF THE AMENITIES THAT ARE INCLUDED IN
THIS PROPOSAL. >> WHAT I'M TRYING TO GET TO IS WE DON'T HAVE $23 MILLION. SO AT SOME POINT WE HAVE TO GET TO A LEVEL OF REALITY TO MAKE THIS HAPPEN.
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SO I'M TRYING TO GET BACK TO IF WE DON'T HAVE THE EXACT LINE ITEMS, AT LEAST WE HAVE PERCENTAGES OFF OF THIS.AND SOMEHOW WE GET THIS THING ROLLING FORWARD IS WHAT I'M
LOOKING FOR. >> IT DID HAPPEN AS I WALKED IN THE DOOR. THE FIRST BIG QUESTION WAS HOW MUCH DO WE ENGINEER. AND WE DECIDED WITH DEBATE TO ENGINEER EVERYTHING. WE KNEW IT WAS WAY MORE THAN HAD BEEN TALKED ABOUT BEFORE. BUT AT THAT POINT, THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY WAS TO GO FORWARD AND TAKE ON THAT CHALLENGE. THAT'S WHERE WE WERE A YEAR AGO.
NOW WE'RE SITTING HERE IN A DIFFERENT SITUATION.
AND MY POINT AND WHERE I'M COMING FROM IS WE NEED TO BE FISCALLY CONSERVATIVE. WHAT ARE WE WILLING TO DO AND SPEND ON THE PARK. IF WE GO OVER $14 MILLION WHAT ARE WE GOING DO? I THINK COUNCIL THAT WE SHOULD COMMIT TO USE THE 14 MILLION, USE IT ALL BUT NO MORE FROM THE CITY AND BUILD A PARK. THEN WE'RE GOING TO COME UP SHORT. AND I PERSONALLY WOULD FAVOR 2.5 TO $3 MILLION OVER THAT. HOPEFULLY 4B IS WILLING TO CLOSE THAT GAP. WE'VE HAD DISCUSSIONS.
I KNOW THEY'VE LEFT AN OFFER ON THE TABLE.
BUT TO ME THAT WOULD TAKE TO US 17 AND $17.5 MILLION PARK.
THAT'S NUMBER I THINK WE SHOULD WORK FOR TONIGHT.
SO THE ARGUMENT IS IS 17.5 OK OR DO WE WANT TO GO 18 OR 1? AND ONCE WE SET A LEVEL THEN WHAT ARE WE GOING TO BUY FOR OUR MONEY? AND WE CAN START THAT TONIGHT AND THEN IF I UNDERSTAND CORRECTLY AND I DON'T MEAN TO SPEAK FOR ANYBODY, ESPECIALLY 4B.
THEN 4B IS GOING TO STEP UP AND SAY WE CAN HELP YOU AND HERE IS HOW WE'D LIKE TO HELP YOU. I THINK THAT IS IN KEEPING WITH WHAT WAS PROPOSED HERE. WE SHOULD KEEP TO THE 14 MILLION. WE'RE GOING TO SPEND IT AND GET A PARK. WE'RE GOING TO GIVE DIRECTION.
WE'RE GOING TO COME UP SHORT BY TWO AND A HALF TO THREE MILLION AND UP IT TO 17, 17.5. ENGINEER THAT AND GO FORWARD
WITH THAT I WILL YIELD TO ALL. >> THE ONLY REASON I BROUGHT UP WHAT I DID IS SO THOSE WHO HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK AND I GREATLY APPRECIATED IT IS I FELT LIKE THEY WERE ON THE SAME SPEAKING PLATFORM UNDERSTANDING AS WE HAVE.
AS THIS HAS EVOLVED. IF WE WOULD HAVE -- JUST SO YOU'LL SEE AT LEAST IT WAS MY OPINION THAT WHEN WE VOTED WHAT WE DID DOWN -- I BELIEVE IT WAS THE LAST COUNCIL MEETING OR THAT WAS A WORKSHOP. WHEN WE VOTED THIS LAST OPTION, WE TOOK NO ACTION -- I APOLOGIZE.
IT WAS TO GET TO THIS POINT SO WE COULD PERHAPS , THE HOPE WAS TO BUILD THE WHOLE PARK. THAT'S OUR GOAL.
JUST SO THE FOLKS UNDERSTAND, WE DON'T HAVE 23 MILLION.
SO THAT'S THE ISSUE WE'RE DEALING WITH.
21 OUT OF ORIGINAL 23 MILLION BECAUSE WE SPENT 2 MILLION.
>> THE 2 MILLION WAS SPENT ABOUT A YEAR AGO OR COMMITTED AND THAT GOT US THE ENGINEERING WE HAVE NOW.
>> THE ENGINEERING AND SOME OF THE SOIL REMOVAL.
>> LET ME ASK YOU ABOUT THAT ENGINEERING NOW.
IF WE GO FORWARD -- WHATEVER WE TAKE THIS APART, WERE WE GOING TO DO ALL THE ENGINEERING ANYWAY?
>> THAT WAS THE DECISION OF THE COUNCIL.
WITH THIS WHATEVER WE CHOOSE, ARE WE GOING TO GO AHEAD AND DO ALL THE ENGINEERING WORK, ALL THE ENGINEERING THAT HAS BEEN DONE, ARE WE GOING TO DO THAT WORK?
>> THERE ARE SOME ITEMS WE WON'T.
IF WE DON'T PUT ALL THE BASEBALL, WE WON'T PUT IN ALL THE FIRE LANE. IT IS ALL ENGINEERED.
WE HAVE A SET OF PLANS AND WE'RE READY TO GO.
IF WE DON'T PUT IN BASEBALL WE WON'T PUT THIS FIRE LANES AND
RESTROOMS FOR SURE. >> NOBODY SAID ANYTHING ABOUT
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THE ORIGINAL IN 2006, THE ORIGINAL BOND FOR THE PARK TO GET IT STARTED. IN THAT ORIGINAL PLAN THERE WAS 10 BALLPARKS. AND WE'RE DOWN TO SIX NOW.AND TWO OF THESE OPTIONS HERE WE'VE TAKEN TWO OF THOSE AWAY.
>> IT ONLY LEAVES ONE OF THEM WHICH IS REDUCTION OF 4 MILLION WHICH BRINGS IT DOWN TO BASICALLY MY NUMBER IS
18 MILLION. >> I WATCHED FROM THE SIDELINES.
THE 2006 VISION HAS MORPHED THREE TIMES FOR VARIOUS REASONS.
BECAUSE THE VISION CHANGED OR THE THOUGHT CHANGED,
STAKEHOLDERS GOT INVOLVED. >> WELL THE 2006 JUST REMEMBER WHEN THOSE PICTURES WERE PRESENTED TO THE VOTERS, WE DIDN'T EVEN OWN A PIECE OF DIRT THAT WAS GOING TO GO ON.
IT WAS JUST A CONCEPT OF WHAT MIGHT HAPPEN.
BUT AFTER THAT TIME , THE PROPERTY THAT WAS BOUGHT WITH THOSE 2006 BONDS DIDN'T HAPPEN UNTIL 2012.
WE HAD RECESSION HIT US AND IT DELAYED EVERYTHING.
THE PROPERTY WAS ACQUIRED IN 2012.
THERE WE WENT. THERE WAS CERTAINLY A CONCEPT PLAN BECAUSE WE DIDN'T EVEN KNOW WHERE THE PROPERTY WAS GOING TO
BE AT THAT TIME. >> WE MORE THAN DOUBLED IN
POPULATION SINCE THAT TIME TOO. >> WE'VE DOUBLED EVERY TEN YEARS
WE DOUBLE. >> I'M LISTENING TO THE DISCUSSION. I JUST GOT A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS. I GOT A WHOLE BUNCH FROM THE BEGINNING OF THE PARK TO NOW. I WANT TO FOLLOW THIS THROUGH.
WHEN WE MET IN NOVEMBER THIS IS WHAT WE GOT.
THERE IS 60 LINE ITEMS ON HERE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
THERE IS 48 WHERE SOME OF THEM ARE WRAPPED UP.
>> SOME OF THEM ARE WRAPPED UP. IF YOU LOOK AT THE BOTTOM OF THE TABS SOME WE CHOSE NOT TO GO WITH.
ADDED ALTERNATIVES, LANDSCAPE ALTERNATE, BATTING CAGE REDESIGN, SIDE AMENITIES ALTERNATES.
DIFFERENT KIND OF VAULT FOR THE WATER.
A LOT OF THESE DIDN'T MAKE IT INTO THE BID TAB.
>> AND THEN -- EXCUSE ME REAL QUICK.
>> ALSO THAT WAS BASED ON PREENGINEERING COSTS.
THOSE WERE PREBID. THOSE ARE I THINK THAT SAYS AT THE TOP LEFT 90%. THAT IS 70% DESIGN.
THE BID IS HARD NUMBERS. >> SO I GUESS MY SECOND THING IS AND IT'S KIND OF RELEVANT, KIND OF NOT UNTIL WE COME ONE A NUMBER. ON PHASE ONE AND I KNOW COSTS GO UP. BUT IN PHASE ONE WE SPENT $25,000 ON SIGNAGE. NOW WE'RE SPENDING $100,000.
ON PHASE ONE WE SPENT $25,000 ON THE MAINTENANCE BUILDING, NOW WE'RE SPENDING $17,000 TO MOVE IT.
PHASE ONE'S PLAYGROUND COST $174,000 AND THE RESTROOM ON PHASE ONE INCLUDING THE CONCESSION STAND WAS $747,000.
NOW IT'S LIKE $1.4 MILLION I BELIEVE.
1.2. I GUESS MY THING IS IF WE'RE GOING TO CUT COST, AT SOME POINT QUALITY COMES DOWN.
I BELIEVE THE REASON THAT THE CONCESSION STAND IS MORE EXPENSIVE IS BECAUSE IT'S BRICK ON SITE.
MY QUESTION IS ARE WE GOING TO CONTINUE WITH THIS PRODUCT WHICH IS A HIGH QUALITY PRODUCT AND CUT SOME THINGS OUT OR MOVE TOWARDS A PREFABBED ANDLESSER QUALITY PRODUCT TO TRY TO GET MORE AMEN INSIST I KNOW WE NEED A NUMBER BUT I'M CURIOUS ON WHAT EVERYONE'S POSITION IS ON THAT FIRST.
>> I THOUGHT THAT WAS THE PURPOSE OF HAVING THE ENGINEERING. WE ARE WORKING OFF OF THE ENGINEERING WITH WHAT WE CAN COMPLETE OUT OF THE EXISTING ENGINEERING AND WHAT WE CAN'T COMPLETE YOU ARE WORKING IN THE SAME ENGINEERING IN TIME TO COME TO COMPLETE IT OUT AS IT SHOULD
BE. >> IF YOU LOOK THAT THE RIGHT-HAND COLUMN ON THE $6.7 MILLION DEDUCTION, YOU'LL SEE THE DIFFERENCE IN THE STICK AND BRICK AND THE PREFAB BUILDINGS THAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT.
THERE IS SOME SAVING IF YOU SWITCH TO THAT.
>> THAT IS THE PRICE OF PREFAB? >> YES.
>> I THOUGHT THAT WAS PRICE OF CUTTING IT OUT.
>> THE 890 IS PREFAB VERSUS THE 1.19 WOULD BE STICK AND BRICK.
IT'S ABOUT $300,000 ON THAT BUILDING.
>> BUT ON THE RESTROOM. YOU ARE GOING TO THE SAME
QUALITY AS WE DID IN PHASE ONE. >> YES, SIR.
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>> WE'RE GOING TO MATCH WHAT WE'VE ALREADY DONE.
>> I THINK THAT'S APPROPRIATE. >> THE TWO PREFABS.
>> I THINK THAT'S APPROPRIATE. >> I DON'T THINK WE'RE COMPROMISING QUALITY ALL THAT MUCH.
THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION. BUT IN THIS CASE WE'RE JUST GOING AND SO THE PARK WILL HAVE A CONSISTENT LOOK AND FEEL.
>> IF YOU LOOK AT THOSE DEDUCTIONS, YOU HAVE DELETE THE BASEBALL RESTROOM AND ADD THE CXT AND THE CXT IS THE PREFABRICATED STRUCTURE. ON THE SIGNAGE, IT IS VERY EXPENSIVE. BUT THE MAJORITY OF THAT COST IS RETAINING WALL. IT'S A LARGE RETAINING WALL THAT SITS AT THE FRONT ENTRANCE. IT'S VERY LARGE.
IT'S ABOUT 120 FEET. >> YOU NOAH THE RETAINING WALLS
ARE COSTING. >> YOU HAVE BUILT ONE OR TWO.
>> AND THEN THE BUILDING , THE BUILDING WAS PLACED WHERE IT WAS I THINK INITIALLY JUST TO SET IT THERE FOR MAINTENANCE PURPOSES.
RIGHT NOW WHERE THAT MAINTENANCE BUILDING SITS, THAT WILL BE
WHERE THE NEW DRIVEWAY WILL BE. >> THAT'S GOT TO BE RELOCATED.
>> YES. >> WE'RE SPENDING 17,000 TO MOVE
IT WHEN WE PAID 25,000 FOR IT. >> YES, SIR.
>> I DON'T SEE HOW WE GET TO NUMBERS UNTIL WE KIND OF FIGURE OUT WHERE THESE NUMBERS ARE GOING TO COME FROM.
IF WE SAY 18 MILLION. WHERE IS YOUR 18 MILLION COMING FROM AT LEAST I KNOW FROM THE LETTERS -- I'VE HEARD A LOT OF LETTERS WHERE FOLKS WANT THE PARK.
BUT THERE WERE LETTERS I READ THAT HAD TO DO MORE WITH THE FINANCIAL SIDE THE OTHER NIGHT. THERE WAS MENTION OF 4B AND MENTION OF OUR MONEY AND MENTION OF DIDN'T WANT TO SEE 4B EMPTY THEIR COFFERS AND GO OUT AND GET ANOTHER BOND TO COVER THAT DURING THIS ECONOMIC CRISIS. SO OK WE'RE GOING TO SAY 18 MILLION. I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH 18 MILLION. BUT I DON'T KNOW HOW WE GET TO THOSE NUMBERS UNTIL I'M HAPPY TO SIT HERE AND TALK TONIGHT OR THIS EVENING. BUT MY THOUGHT IS WE'RE ALMOST AND VERY QUICKLY GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE SOME SORT OF COMMUNITY INDUSTRY PARTNERSHIP MEETING. TO WHERE WE CAN COME UP WITH OUR LIST OF AMENITIES THAT WE MIGHT THINK WE CAN'T MEET AND ALLOW OUR LOCAL INDUSTRY TO HELP MEET. IT'S NOT LIKE YOU ARE TALKING HAD TO BE BIG NUMBERS. I'M NOT EVEN GOING TO SAY WHAT THAT NUMBER CAN BE. I CAN SAY FROM WHAT I'VE TALKED WITH FOLKS WITHIN THE COMMUNITY THEY SEEM TO BE COMFORTABLE.
YOU CAN SAY $3 MILLION RANGE, THAT IS 4B AND HOW 4B WOULD BEING THERE CONTRIBUTED THAT. THAT TAKES US UP ROUGHLY TO 17 MILLION. WE'RE NOT AT 18 AND 1 YET.
WE GOT TO GET TO HOW WE'RE GOING TO GET TO THE NUMBER ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU START GETTING ABOVE THAT 17 MILLION MARK, HOW ARE YOU GOING TO GET THERE? THAT'S WHAT I WANT TO KNOW.
>> I'M ASKING THE COUNCIL WHAT ARE YOU COMFORTABLE WITH, WHAT ARE YOU COMFORTABLE THE FUNDING SOURCES? DO YOU WANT TO SOLICITS DONATIONS FROM OUR INDUSTRY AND BUSINESS LEADERS HERE. HOW COMFORTABLE ARE YOU WITH 4B AND GOING WITH 4B? THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION.
>> I THINK IT'S BEEN MADE ABUN DENTALLY CLEAR BY THIS COUNCIL THAT IN ORDER TO GET A PARK , THE BALL ROLLING ON MOVING TWITTER WE HAVE TO BE IN THE 14 RANGE.
IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT 4B MONEY IS SALES TAX DOLLARS.
IT IS NOT COMING FROM YOUR PROPERTY TAX MONEY.
SO WHEN WE TALK ABOUT 4B FUNDING, IT'S A VERY SMALL PORTION OF THE AMOUNT OF TAX MONEY COLLECTED GOES TO AN ORGANIZATION AND THEY HAVE VERY STRICT GUIDELINES ON HOW THEY CAN SPEND THAT MONEY. AND COMMUNITY BETTER MEANT IS A GOOD WAY TO SUMMARIZE IT. THAT'S WHAT WE MEAN WHEN WE
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REFERENCE 4B MONEY. I'M AN ADVOCATE FOR BUILDING A PARK. AS I KNOW YOU ALL ARE.I'M TIRED OF SITTING IN THESE MEETINGS AND GETTING NOWHERE.
AS I KNOW YOU ARE. I'M READY TO COME TO SOME AGREEMENT WHERE WE CAN GET FOUR VOTES THAT SAY YES AND WE MOVE FORWARD IN BUILDING A PARK. I BELIEVE IT'S THE INTENT OF THIS COUNCIL JUST BY THE GENERAL CONSENSUS IT SEEMS TO NOT OVERSPEND OUT OF PROPERTY TAX DOLLARS WHAT WAS APPROVED BY THE BOND MONEY WHICH IS 14 MILLION. I'M OK WITH THAT.
I'M ALSO AN ADVOCATE FOR ALLOWING 4B TO COME ALONGSIDE US AND PITCH IN IF THEY SHOULD DECIDE TO PITCH IN AT WHATEVER AMOUNT. I'M NOT AN ADVOCATE FOR PUTTING LIMITATIONS OR EVEN STRICTER GUIDE RAILS UPON WHAT THEY ARE INTERESTED IN DOING AND PARTNERING WITH US.
THEIR INITIAL OFFER WAS TO COME ALONGSIDE US FOR $5 MILLION.
I WOULD BE OPEN TO THAT DISCUSSION OF OUR 14 MILLION PLUS THEIR $5 MILLION AND LET'S FIND A PARK IN THE $19 MILLION
. >> APPRECIATE YOUR ENTHUSIASM
BUT NO REACTION PLEASE. >> SINCE IT'S MY TURN.
THE FIRST THING I GOT TO DO IS THANK STAFF BECAUSE WE HAVE SENT THEM ON A GOOSE CHASE FROM HELL AND BACK.
NO OTHER WAY TO PUT IT. ONE DAY WE'RE THIS, ONE DAY WE'RE THAT. THEY'VE COME TO US EVERY TIME WITH WHATEVER WE'VE ASKED THEM. PEOPLE HAVE BEEN ON THE FACEBOOK AND SAID ABOUT THE STAFF NOT DOING THIS OR.
THAT THEY HAVEN'T A CLUE WHAT THESE PEOPLE HAVE DONE.
COLLIDE HAS BEEN HERE 18 MONTHS, HAVE YOU DONE ANYTHING BESIDES
THIS PARK IN 18 MONTHS? >> A COUPLE OF THINGS.
>> WE'VE HAD HIM SO BUSY ON REDOING, REDOING.
AND WHEN GOD REST HIS SOUL ART WAS SITTING OVER THERE, WE WERE AT THE CONFERENCE CENTER AND WE ALL COME TO ONE AGREEMENT $16 MILLION WAS ART'S AGREEMENT. ART SAID LET'S SEE WHAT 4B WILL DO. WE DIDN'T SAY LET'S SEE IF WE CAN GET 2, 4, 6, 8. ART SAID LET'S SEE WHAT 4B CAN DO. WE AGREED AT 16.
WE'RE AT 14 TODAY BECAUSE OF ENGINEERING.
WHATEVER 4B WANTS TO PUT IN THEY PUT IN.
THEIR JOB THE FUSSY STUFF. THERE AIN'T NOTHING GOING TO MAKE PEOPLE FEEL BETTER THAN HAVING A NICE PARK PERIOD.
I'M AT THE 18 NUMBER AND THEN BECAUSE THE SIGN LAST YEAR ON THE ONE WAS THE OAK RIDGE MONEY. AND THE CONTINGENCY MONEY.
WE HAD THIS MONEY TO SPEND. THE THREE OF US WERE HERE.
WHAT ARE WE GOING TO SPEND THAT MONEY ON.
EVERYBODY WANTED TO FINISH THE SIGN OUT AND DO THE BRICK ON THE WALL. THEY WANTED THIS FANCY STONE AND ALL OF. THAT WITH THE CONTINGENCY MONEY.
WHEN WE GET THAT FAR ALONG WE'LL SEE WHAT WE DO.
THE SIGN MAY NOT BE THAT MUCH. IT MAY BE HALF THAT MUCH.
NO TELLING WITH THE MARKETS TODAY, PRICES OF TWO BY FOUR'S MAY BE 10-15% LOWER IN A MONTH OR TWO.
THEIR NUMBERS ARE BASED ON BEFORE CORONA VIRUS.
THAT'S WHAT YOU GOT TO THINK ABOUT.
WE'RE DONE DISCUSSING THIS. PICK A NUMBER.
GET CLOSE AND LET'S FIGURE OUT HOW TO GET THERE THIS FROM HERE.
THIS IS TOO MANY MEETINGS WE'VE HAD.
I'M TIRED OF THEM. >> I'M EXACTLY WITH YOU.
>> I WANT TO MENTION WHAT HAS BEEN MENTIONED TO ME ON THE STREET BY FOLKS WHO KEEP UP WITH WHERE THESE DOLLARS COME FROM AND HOW. 4B DOLLARS DO COME FROM SALES TAX DOLLARS. THOSE SALES TAX DOLLARS IN MANY CASES, FOR EXAMPLE KROGER, THERE ARE THINGS CALLED TAX ABATEMENTS. I OWN TWO SMALL BUSINESSES AND I'VE NEVER HAD A TAX ABATEMENT. SO ATH WAY A LOT OF THESE FOLKS VIEW THIS THAT LIVE HERE AND PROBABLY SOME OF THE LARGEST COMPLAINTS I GET OFF THE STREETS IS WHAT ABOUT ALL THESE TAX ABATEMENTS. THESE FOLKS ON THE STREET DO LOOK AT THE SALES TAX DOLLARS. WE TELL THEM WE NEED THE TAX ABATEMENTS BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO BETTER THEIR LIFE, THEY LOOK AT THAT AS PARENT OF THEIR DOLLARS ALSO BECAUSE THEY ALLOWED THOSE TAX ABATEMENTS NOT PAYING THE TAXES THAT A LOT OF SMALL
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BUSINESSES DO. ANOTHER THING MENTIONED TO ME IS IF WE WERE TO SPEND SO MANY OF THOSE DOLLARS IN ONE PLACE TAKING SO MANY DOLLARS OUT OF THE COFFERS INTO ONE PLACE, WOULDN'T THOSE HAVE BEEN DOLLARS WE COULD HAVE USED IN OTHER PLACES WITHIN CITY EXPENDITURES TO LIGHTEN THE LOAD ON CITY EXPENDITURES AND OTHER BONDS AND OTHER USES.THIS IS THE KIND OF THINGS I HEAR ON THE STREET.
I DO AGREE WITH WHAT JUSTIN SAYS.
WHAT THESE FOLKS ARE ASKING FOR IS SOME BALANCE IS ALL THEY ARE ASKING FOR INSTEAD OF THE WHOLE 5 MILLION.
THEY GOT MORE THAN THAT BUT EVERYTHING IN THE BANK FOR RIGHT
NOW. >> I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU CHRIS. DOES 4B HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH
TAX ABATEMENTS? >> THE 4B DID NOT.
THEY USE THEIR SALES TAX ALONG WITH 4A ON THE KROGER CENTER TO
REBAIT AND PUT BACK. >> THE ABATEMENTS COME FROM 4A.
>> IF IT'S AN ACTUAL PROPERTY TAX ABATEMENT, IT COMES THROUGH THE CITY. IF 87 CORRECTLY DIDN'T HAVE AN ACTUAL TAX ABATEMENT ON THE KROGER BUT WE DID HAVE REBATES BACK OF SALES TAX DOLLARS IF THEY DID CERTAIN THINGS.
>> I'M GOING TO TRY TO PIGGY BACK OFF OF YOU AND IF I SAY THIS WRONG, I KNOW YOU'LL SPEAK UP.
SO WE'LL DO IT IN A DIFFERENT ORDER I.
I SUBMIT THE CITY IS GOING TO COME ONE $14.1 MILLION AND SPEND THE ENTIRE AMOUNT. THEN WE'RE GOING TO EITHER FROM MY EARLIER SUGGESTION GO FOR A $17 MILLION PARK.
YOU SAID $18 MILLION PARK S THAT WHAT I HEARD?
>> THE SHEET HERE HAS 18863. IF WE COULD GO 18 EVEN, I CAN
AGREE TO 18 EVEN. >> WE'RE TO 14, PLUS THREE OR 14 PLUS FOUR. IF THE COUNCIL CAN PICK A NUMBER AND THERE IS TWO COMPONENTS. ONE THE CITY IS GOING TO CONTRIBUTE 14 AND ONLY 14. WE'RE NOT GOING TO BORROW ANY OTHER MONEY. AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO SAY WE WANT A 17 OR 18, LIKE JUSTIN SAID THE FOUR VOTES, YOU CAN GET FOUR VOTES. HOPEFULLY WE LOOK TO OUR GOOD FRIENDS HAD WILL FILL THAT GAP. AND THEN WE HAVE THE FIRST TWO QUESTIONS ANSWERED AND THEN WE HAVE TO GO TO THE DIFFICULT QUESTION. IF WE HAVE THE DOLLAR AMOUNT I THINK THAT'S HOW WE QUIT CHASING OUR TAIL.
>> ANYTHING TO QUIT CHASING OUR TAIL.
>> I THINK THAT'S HOW WE DO IT. >> IF MIKE DOESN'T AGREE, THAT'S
FINE. >> I WANT A DOLLAR AMOUNT.
THAT'S ALL I WANT. >> MIKE, WHAT DOLLAR AMOUNT ARE
YOU COMFORTABLE WITH? >> JUST TOTAL.
DON'T CARE WHERE IT COMES FROM. >> I'M STICKING WITH 18 MILLION.
>> YOU ARE 18. >> I KNOW JUS JUSTIN, ARE YOU
GOOD WITH 18. >> I'M CURIOUS IF IT INCLUDES
CONTINGENCIES? >> TOTAL PRICE.
>> I'M JUST READING OFF OF THIS SHEET.
>> WE'RE TALKING TOTAL NUMBER OF 18 INCLUDING CONTINGENCIES.
>> I GUESS THAT'S WHAT IT COMES TO RIGHT?
>> AS LONG AS WE GET CERTAIN ELEMENTS INCLUDED IN THAT 18.
>> I'M FINE WITH 18 BUT THERE ARE SOME THINGS I'M NOT WILLING
TO CUT OUT. >> WE HAVE 18 ON THE TABLE.
WHAT WILL YOU NOT CUT OUT? >> I AM -- WHAT THE COMMUNITY VOTED ON WAS A SPLASH PAD AND BASEBALL FIELDS AND AT LEAST ONE PLAYGROUND AND THE AMPHITHEATRE. THOSE TO ME ARE NONNEGOTIABLE.
>> IT WAS AMPHITHEATRE IN THE ORIGINAL?
>> THEY WERE GOING TO DO THE MOVIES IN THE PARK AT ONE TIME.
THEY ARE GOING TO MOVE THAT TO THE AMPHITHEATRE.
>> ALL FIVE BALL FIELDS, AMPHITHEATRE, SPLASH PAD AND
PLAYGROUND. >> BOTH PLAYGROUNDS?
>> YOU CAN TALK ABOUT THE $700,000 PLAYGROUND IF YOU WANT.
>> WE'LL HAVE TO CHANGE THE DESIGN.
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WE HAVE DIFFERENT AGES IN THERE. AND WE HAVE SPECIAL NEEDS FULL INCLUSION PLAYGROUND IN THAT AS WELL.>> THIS PARK HAS A LOT OF FEATURES.
AND A LOT OF EXTRAS. I BELIEVE IF WE HAVE THE MONEY WE SHOULD ALWAYS GIVE THE BEST. WE PROMISED AN AMPHITHEATRE, BALL FIELDS, TRAILS, SPLASH PAD, BASKETBALL COURT AND PLAYGROUND AND THAT'S IT. ANYTHING EXTRA THAT'S FINE.
WHAT THE QUALITY IS I'M UP FOR DISCUSSION.
BUT I THINK THE MAIN COMPONENTS THAT WERE PROMISED ON THE ORIGINAL BOND TO BE PUT IN ANYTHING SELLS EXTRA.
WE DIDN'T PROMISE SAND VOLLEYBALL.
THAT IS AN EASY ADD LATER. >> BATTING CAGES IN THE ORIGINAL
PROMISE IN YOUR MIND IS. >> THE PLAN THAT WAS DRAWN
DIDN'T HAVE BATTING CAGES. >> THERE WERE NO BATTING CAGES.
>> NOT THE COMPLEX WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
>> DO WE HAVE ANY IDEA WHAT THE TOTAL VALUE IS OF ALL THE BALL FIELD SCIENCE THE ORIGINAL PROVISIONS FOR EIGHT FIELDS, THEY ALLOWED 10 MILLION IN THE ORIGINAL BOND FOR BALL FIELDS.
>> SO WE DON'T HAVE THE BALL FIELD NUMBER THAT WE'VE GOT IN
SIX FIELDS RIGHT NOW. >> THAT'S WHY I'M A LITTLE CONCERNED. THAT'S WHY I SAID TO ME THE PERCENTAGES ARE RIGHT HERE. I'VE HEARD A LOT OF FOLKS TALK ABOUT THE BALL FIELDS AND IT'S WHAT MADE ME DRAW BACK AFTER OUR LAST WORKSHOP AT THE CONVENTION CENTER AND I GOT THIS IS EVEN THOUGH WE DROP FROM 8.6 WE STILL TOLD FOLKS $10 MILLION.
>> CAN YOU TELL ME WHAT THE PERCENTAGES ARE?
>> IF YOU TAKE 10 MILLION OUT OF 13.1 WHICH IS ON THIS --
>> 80%. >> I GUESS WHAT I'M SAYING IS I DON'T -- I THINK WE SHOULD HAVE ALL OF IT BUT I DON'T WANT TO CUT BACK ON THE AMENITIES OF THE BALL FIELDS THAT THE FOLKS THOUGHT THEY WERE GETTING AND PLUG IT IN ON COMMUNITY SIDE WHICH I THINK IT NEED IT. BUT I DON'T WANT TO CUT THE BALL FIELDS DOWN SO BADLY. I DON'T KNOW HOW TO BALANCE THIS
OUT. >> WE ALLOW 4B TO SPEND MONEY THEY ASKED TO SPEND. THAT'S HOW WE BALANCE IT OUT.
>> AND JUSTIN, I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD SPEND TOTAL AMOUNT.
GOING INTO THE ECONOMIC SITUATION, WE NEED TO KEEP RESERVES. AND THAT MONEY -- WE -- 4B HAS
RESERVES FOR SURE. >> 4B SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO SPEND WHAT 4B FEELS THEY ARE COMFORT TO BELIEVE SPEND.
>> I'M GOING TO GO OUT ON A LIMB.
4B IS THERE TO AND WE SHOULD ASK.
ALLEN WOULD YOU COME UP HERE AND TELL US WHAT IN 30 SECONDS, MAYBE 45 WHAT 4B IS ALL ABOUT? THIS IS ALLEN.
HE'S THE CHAIRMAN OF 4B. >> BASIC QUESTIONS RIGHT NOW WE HAVE 6.5 MILLION IN THE BANK. WHAT 4B DOES IS REALLY ABOUT THE QUALITY OF LIFE. IF YOU LOOK AT THE PARKS, IT'S THE MAIN PART OF WHAT WE SPEND MONEY ON.
IF YOU LOOK AT THE THINGS WE'VE DONE IN THE PAST, YOU HAVE THE CONVENTION CENTER. WE GAVE MONEY FOR THE SENIOR SID CENTER, HOTEL, KROGER, HOSPITAL THAT IS COMING.
YOU CAN LOOK AT ALL KIND OF PROJECTS AROUND TOWN.
IF YOUR KIDS GO EASTER EGG HUNTING, OR TO THE FISHING DERBY. THERE IS THINGS RELATED TO THE PARK. COMMUNITY SERVICE F. YOU LOOK AT THE CURRENT BASEBALL FIELDS, IF YOU SIT IN THE SHADE, WE PUT THAT SHADE ON. WE DID IMPROVEMENTS TO THAT ESTABLISHMENT YEARS AGO. IF YOU LOOK AT ANY OF THE PARKS IN TOWN, IF YOU GO TO THE PARK AND THERE IS A RESTROOM, WE BOUGHT A LOT OF THOSE RESTROOMS. BECAUSE THE FEEDBACK FROM THE COMMUNITY. HOW NICE IT IS TO GO TO THE PARK AND BE ABLE TO USE THE BATHROOM AND NOT HAVE TO GO HOME.
AND AT OUR LAST MEETING WE BROUGHT UP A WHOLE LIST OF PROJECTS WE'RE GOING TO BE WORKING ON THAT THIS MONEY WILL NOT AFFECT. BECAUSE OF THE SALES TAX DOLLARS WE HAVE COMING IN AND THE -- [INAUDIBLE] IN SEPTEMBER. AND WHEN WE MAKE THAT CALL IT'S
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GOING TO SAVE US WHAT WE FORECASTED IF WE DID THE ENTIRE 5.1 AND WE WENT AND GOT A NEW BOND, WE WOULD STILL SAVE$40,000 A YEAR FOR TAXPAYERS. >> THIS IS A PARTNERSHIP.
COUNCIL HAS TO APPROVE ALL MONEYS SPENT BY THE CITY.
AND WE HAVE A FIDUCIARY RESPONSIBILITY TO THE CITIZENS ON HOW MONEY IS SPENT. WE DO THAT IN PARTNERSHIP WITH 4B AND WITH 4A. THE BUCKS WON'T STOP WITH THE COUNCIL WITH WHAT WE AGREE TO BACK TO THE QUESTION AND HOW MUCH WE AGREE TO. I THINK I'VE MADE MY PERSONAL POINT OF VIEW CLEAR. IT IS THE COUNCIL WHO MAKES THE FINAL DECISION ON WHAT MONEY IS SPENT.
>> I GUESS ON QUESTION NUMBER THREE THEN, WHAT WAS YOUR ANSWER TO HOW MUCH ARE YOU COMFORTABLE WITH FROM 4B.
>> I SAID 3 AND TED SAID 4. I WOULD GO ALONG WITH THE COUNCIL ON THAT. THAT'S MY DRUTHERS IS 3.
>> I'D LIKE 4B TO MAKE THAT COMMITMENT.
NOT US TELL 4B HOW MUCH. I THINK WE NEED TO LET THEM DO
THAT. >> WE ARE NOT TELLING 4B WHAT TO
STATEMENT MAYOR PLEASE. >> I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO BE TELLING 4B WHAT TO DO. WE ASK 4B FOR ASSISTANCE AND WHATEVER ASSISTANCE THEY GIVE US WHETHER IT'S BE 1 MILLION OR 6 MILLION, THAT'S THEIR CHOICE. I KNOW WE WILL HAVE TO APPROVE THAT FOR THEM TO DO THAT. THEY OFFERED BEFORE.
WE HAD ENOUGH MONEY TO GO FOR THE 21 MILLION BUT YOU VOTED THAT DOWN. THAT'S WHY WE'RE BACK HERE FOR ANOTHER MONTH. I'M LIKE TED, I'M TIRED OF RUNNING AROUND IN CIRCLES HERE. WE NEED TO GET ON WITH IT.
WE HAVE ALL AGREED WE'LL SAY 18 MILLION IS THE FIGURE WE'RE COMFORTABLE WITH. IF 4B CAN GIVE US 2 OR 3 OR 4 OR WHATEVER THEY CAN GIVE US, THAT'S GREAT.
WE NEED TO GET THIS PARK ON THE GROUND.
WE'VE PIDDLED AROUND TOO LONG. >> OK.
>> I DON'T THINK WE'VE BEEN PIDDLING AROUND TOO LONG.
THE FOLKS THAT WANT TO SPEND $23 MILLION, THEY THINK THAT IS
ABSURD. >> WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT THAT
ANYMORE. >> WHAT WE DO HAVE TO TALK ABOUT AND IT CAUSES THE FRICTION -- IF WE HAD 23 MILLION TO SPEND IT IT WOULD BE DONE. BUT WE DON'T.
SO IT CAUSES US TO HAVE TO TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE.
THAT'S WHAT WE'RE HERE FOR. WE'RE SERVANTS SO WE HAVE TO
TAKE A LITTLE EXTRA TIME. >> HELP ME OUT HERE, IF WE'RE AT $18 MILLION NUMBER, WHAT DO YOU NEED FROM US?
>> I'VE GOT A SCENARIO HERE THAT GETS US REAL CLOSE.
SPEAKING WITH GREG, 18.3. SPEAKING WITH GREG -- I'VE GOT A QUESTION THAT WAS TEXTED TO ME FROM A CITIZEN WHO IS WATCHING ONLINE. THEY'VE ASKED SOMETHING ABOUT DIRT WORK AND WE HAVE 12.9 MILLION LEFT, I DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THIS. WE HAVE A FULL 14.1 MILLION
LEFT. >> SOME OF WHAT WE SPENT TO GET FROM THE 16 WAS ENGINEERING AND REMOVAL OF THE SOIL.
WE'VE SPENT THAT ALREADY. >> WE DO HAVE 14 MILLION STILL?
>> YES. >> IF YOU RECALL 12.9 IT WAS CONTRACT WE HAD BROUGHT TO YOU REGARDING THE COMMUNITY SIDE OF THE PARK. THAT WAS BROUGHT TWO WEEKS AGO.
>> THAT WAS LAST WEEK'S MEETING WHEN WE BROUGHT JUST THE COMMUNITY ASPECT OF THE PARK, THAT WAS 12.9.
THAT MAY BE WHERE THAT NUMBER WAS COMING FROM.
>> I WAS ASKED THE QUESTION SO I ASKED IT.
>> ON THE OPTION THREE THAT GET US TO 18.3, IT SHOWS US REMOVING THE BATHROOM AND CONCESSION OF THE BALL FIELDS.
SO WE'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE RESTROOMS AT THE BALL FIELDS IF
WE DO THIS OPTION? >> THAT'S PUTTING IN CXT.
>> I SEE THE MINUS BUT I DON'T SEE THE ONE NEXT TO IT.
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>> IT'S RIGHT BELOW IT ADDING THE CXT PREFAB.
>> OK. >> SO WHAT I'VE DONE, LIKE I SAID I GOT THIS TO GREG THIS AFTERNOON LATE.
I'VE TAKEN LOOKED AT THE OPTIONS AND LOOKED AT OPTION 3 AND GOT BACK UP TO 18.3. I HAVEN'T VETTED CONTINGENCY WITH THIS. IF YOU LOOK AT OPTION THREE AND REMEMBER THAT REMOVED A LOT OF THE OPTIONS, WHAT IT PUTS BACK FOR THE 18.3 IS THE PARKING AT THE BALL FIELD AND WITH THAT YOU REDUCE THE IRRIGATION. YOU REDUCE THE MULCH.
IT PUTS THE PARKING BACK AT THE PLAYGROUND.
YOU REMOVE THE IRRIGATION AND MULCH.
ANY CONCRETE, WE HAVE TO GO BACK AND KEEP THAT MOBILE AREA.
IT PUTS THE SMALL PLAYGROUND AND SHADE BACK AT THE BALL FIELDS.
IT PUTS THE LARGE PLAYGROUND BACK AT THE LARGE PLAYGROUND SIZE. IT DOES REDUCE THE PLAYGROUND TO THE SIZE BEFORE 4B GETTING IN THERE.
AND THEN MAKES THE DUMPSTER ENCLOSURE A LITTLE SMALLER.
ADDS BLEACHER SHADE STRUCTURES BACK.
ADDS THE DUGOUT ROOFS BACK. ADDS THE AMPHITHEATRE BACK.
IT ADDS A BASKETBALL COURT BACK IN THERE.
IT KEEPS THE SIDE AMENITIES AT THE LEVEL THAT WAS ORIGINALLY DESIGNED. AND IT ALSO REPLACES OR PUTS BACK INTO THE DESIGN FIELDS TWO AND SIX.
SO ALL THE BASEBALL FIELDS OF THE ORIGINAL DESIGN, ALL THE ORIGINAL DESIGN BASEBALL FIELDS ARE BACK IN THAT.
FOR THAT 18.3 WE GET QUITE A BIT.
NOW WE DELETE THE BATTING CAGES, STORAGE AREAS, SOME OF THOSE THINGS ARE REMOVED OUT OF THERE WITH THE PREMISE THAT MAYBE 4B OR SOMEBODY CAN COME BACK AND PUT THOSE IN.
THIS DOES REMOVE THE ARTIFICIAL TURF ON ALL THE FIELDS.
WITH THAT I'LL ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
>> SO THIS IS YOUR BASIC FORD AND NOT A KING RANCH?
>> IT WILL BAY NICE FORD. >> MY QUESTION IS AND THIS IS A DECISION THE WHOLE COUNCIL WILL HAVE TO MAKE.
BUT MY OPINION. SAY WE FIND A SMALL ITEM THAT IS $50,000, WE'RE HEADED INTO OUR BUDGET SEASON, IF WE FIND $50,000 AND WANT TO ADD IT -- WE WOULD HAVE TO AMEND THE CONTRACT AND LOOK AT CHANGE ORDERS. THE PREMISE HERE IS IF WE CAN DECIDE ON A PATH FORWARD, GREG WOULD DEVELOP THE CONTRACT FOR THE CONSTRUCTION BASE ODD THAN PATH GUARD.
THEN WE'D HAVE TO LOOK AT AMENDING THE CONTRACT OR DOING A CHANGE ORDER ONCE WE GET TO THAT FUNDING SOURCE.
IF GO A SOURCE. >> THAT'S AN EASY FIX LATER ON BECAUSE EVERYTHING IS IN THE GROUND.
IT'S JUST RUN SOME POLES. AS AN OPTION.
I KNOW IT'S NOT AS EASY AS I SAY IT IS.
>> WE'RE GOING TO BUILD THE PARK WITH THAT IN MIND THAT OVER TIME WE'RE GOING TO FILL ANYTIME AND DO WHAT WAS ENGINEERED.
>> SOME OF THE COMPONENTS ARE THE SAND VOLLEYBALL COURTS AND MULTIPURPOSE COURT. THOSE ARE REMOVED OUT OF HERE.
THOSE AS BUDGET AS LOU WE CAN GO BACK IN AND PUT THOSE BACK IN.
>> I THINK THESE ARE THE THINGS MIKE SPOKE ABOUT.
GET INDUSTRY TOGETHER TO HELP US OUT.
>> DO YOU HAVE A NET COST OF IF ARTIFICIAL TURF WAS ADDED IN AND WE TOOK THE SOD AND TOPSOIL OUT WHAT THE PRICE DIFFERENCE MIGHT BE. ARTIFICIAL VERSUS NATURAL?
>> THE TURF WAS 570,000 I BELIEVE.
SO WE WOULD -- IT WOULD BE SOMETHING JUST UNDER THAT.
MAYBE $100,000 UNDER THAT TO ADD IT BACK IN?
>> IS THAT AN ACCURATE NUMBER THE 404-1234.
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>> YES. >> THAT MAKES THE ADJUDGES WE
PULL ALL THE OTHER COST OUT? >> YES.
>> I'M READY TO GO. >> WHERE IS THE OTHER 4.3 COMING
FROM IS MY QUESTION? >> CAN YOU HELP US WITH THE
OTHER 4.3? >> WELL THE ISSUE , THE MAJORITY OF THE FOLKS THAT I'VE SPOKEN WITH ON THE STREETS WANT US TO BE SOMEWHERE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD OF 2.5 TO 3 MILLION OF THAT
MONEY. >> WHAT IF 4B PUTS UP TWO AND WE PUT UP TWO? I'M NOT SUGGESTING THAT BUT I'M
THROWING IT OUT THERE. >> I WOULD RATHER NO MORE DEBT BY THE CITY. WE HAVE TO GO AND SELL TO THE PUBLIC AND I THINK WE CAN. THE FEEDBACK IRRESPECTIVE OF WHAT WE DO. WE ARE ALL ONE VOTE.
MIKE IS DEAD SET AGAINST 18.3. THAT'S FINE.
>> BASKETBALL IS IN THERE. THAT WAS THE MULTIPURPOSE COURT
IS OUT. >> I CAN LIVE WITH THE COMPROMISE FOR SURE. DO I THINK THAT IT'S -- THERE IS DISCUSSION TO BE HAD AT 4B'S NEXT MEETING WHERE THEY MULL
THIS OVER. >> I'M IN AGREEMENT WITH COUNCIL. SO YOU HAVE --
SO WE'RE ROUGHLY $4 MILLION. IF YOU REMEMBER THAT'S WHERE 4B STARTED AT 4 MILLION BUT THEN WENT TO 5 TO GET THE BIGGER SPLASH PAD AND ARTIFICIAL TURF. IF WE GO AND THEY SAY WE'LL GIVE YOU 4 MILLION, I DON'T KNOW IF THEY WILL.
IS THE COUNCIL COMFORTABLE. I HEARD TED SAID ARE WE GOING TO 4B AND ASKING CAN YOU CONTRIBUTE THE FULL FOUR OR SOMETHING FROM
OUR COFFERS AS WELL? >> 14.1 IS WHAT THE CITY IS PUTTING UP. WE'RE HOPING 4B WILL HELP US.
>> YES THAT'S RIGHT. >> THAT WAS WHAT I WAS THINKING.
WE GOT TO GET IT DONE. HERE IS THE CLOSEST WE'VE BEEN IS WE HAVE 183 AND WE HAVE THREE VOTES AT LEAST FOR THIS DISCUSSION POINT AS A NUMBER. SO HOWEVER IT GETS TO THERE.
I AGREE WITH YOU MR. MAYOR WE DON'T WANT TO GET ANYMORE CITY MONEY IF WE DON'T HAVE TO BUT WE CAN ADD STUFF AT A LATER TIME THROUGH BUDGET BUT I DON'T WANT ANOTHER BOND.
>> AREN'T WE AGREEING? >> YES.
>> THAT'S THE SECOND TIME. THE 18.3 IT SOUND LIKE WE'RE ALL COMFORTABLE WITH WHAT HAS BEEN DELETED AND ADDED BACK.
WE CAN LIVE WITH IT. I KNOW WE'RE NOT ALL EXCITED
ABOUT SOME THINGS. >> EVERYBODY UP HERE WILL
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PROBABLY HAVE SOMETHING THEY'D RATHER.>> I'M JUST CURIOUS, I'M NOT TRYING TO CHANGE THE NUMBER.
18.3 IS FINE. >> IS THAT FOR THE POND EDGE?
>> YES. >> CAN YOU ADDRESS THAT?
>> YOU HAVE TO LOWER THE LAKE AND GET IN THERE WITH A TRACK
HOE AND DIG IT OUT. >> WE CONTROL THE LEVEL OF THAT LAKE. IT'S IRRIGATION.
>> ARE YOU COMFORTABLE AT ALL WITH THIS?
>> I'M VERY COMFORTABLE. I HAD HOPED WE COULD WORK QUICKLY ON SEEING IF WE COULD GET SUPPORT FROM OUR LOCAL INDUSTRY. I KNOW ECONOMICALLY THEY ARE LOOKING AT TRYING TIMES AND I DON'T KNOW HOW THEY WOULD REACT.
FOR ALL WE KNOW THEY MIGHT OFFER $10,000, THEY MIGHT OFFER $10 MILLION. THAT WAS MY POINT FROM THE BEGINNING IS WE MAY FIND OUT WE COULD DO THE 14 AND 4B DO 2.5 AND END UP -- I DON'T KNOW. I CAN'T SPEAK FOR THEM.
THAT'S WHERE I WAS HOPING -- WE MAY GET THE WHOLE PARK DONE, WE
DON'T KNOW. >> IF WE GET THIS 18355 AND GO OUT AND GET THEIR HELP, IT MAY BRING US UP TO DO EVERYTHING
ELSE ON THE LIST. >> YOU HAVE TWO CHOICES.
>> WE GOT THIS TO GET STARTED WITH.
>> WE CAN ALSO FUNDRAISE LATER. >> THAT'S RIGHT.
>> THAT'S -- I THINK WE'RE ALL COMMITTED TO DOING.
THAT I THINK YOU HAVE AGREEMENT FROM THE COUNCIL.
>> I DO HAVE ONE LAST QUESTION. I'M GETTING TEXT MESSAGES FROM CITIZENS WATCHING. APPARENTLY THERE IS A PAGE OR PRINT OUT SOMEWHERE THAT SAYS THE CITY ONLY HAS 12.9 MILLION OF THE ORIGINAL BOND. JUST TO CLARIFY WE HAVE 14.1.
>> I THINK THAT'S COMING FROM THE PROPOSAL THAT WAS BROUGHT FORTH AT THE LAST MEETING FOR THE COMMUNITY SIDE.
THAT WAS ALL THE COST. THERE WOULD HAVE BEEN MONEY LEFT OVER IF THAT ROUTE WAS TAKEN THAT COULD HAVE BEEN USED TOWARDS SOME FUTURE ADDITION OF THE BALL FIELD.
THAT'S WHERE THE 12.9 I BELIEVE IS COMING FROM.
>> I'M RECEIVING INFORMATION AND QUESTIONS NOW FROM FOLKS WHO VOTED ON THE ORIGINAL PARK AND THEY WANT TO KNOW -- THEY ARE NOT CONCERNED AS MUCH EVEN THOUGH THEY WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THE SAND VOLLEYBALL PITTS ORIGINALLY.
ORIGINALLY IT WAS IN THE ORIGINAL BOND ON THE TENNIS COURTS. IS THAT OR NOT IN ON THIS?
>> SAND VOLLEYBALL COURTS, TENNIS COURTS OR BASKETBALL
COURTS? >> IT SAYS COURTS TENNIS AND BASKETBALL. THEY WANT TO KNOW IF THAT'S IN
THIS 18.4? >> THE BASKETBALL IS BUT TENNIS
IS NOT. >> THAT'S WHAT I'M BEING
QUESTIONED ABOUT. >> WILL WE HAVE THIS ON OUR CITY WEBSITE SOMETIME TOMORROW SO CITIZENS CAN GO AND SEE WHAT IS
AND IS NOT INCLUDED? >> WE CAN PUT YEAH, THERE IS NOTHING THAT KEEPS US FROM PUTTING THIS OUT.
>> JUST THE AMENITIES. >> YES.
>> AND A CLEAN ONE. >> WHEN DOES STAFF THINK WE COULD PERHAPS APPROACH SOME TYPE OF A COMMUNITY INDUSTRY GATHERING OVER AT THE CIVIC CENTER MAYBE AND GET EVERYBODY AN INVITATIONAL DEAL FOR EVERYBODY?
>> FOR WHAT PURPOSE? >> I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IF WE CAN GET THEM TOGETHER AND JUST HEY WE GOT COSTS WE'RE TRYING TO GET TOGETHER AND IS ANYBODY INTERESTED IN BEING PART OF OUR
COMMUNITY IN THIS INDUSTRY. >> WE GOT TO GET THE BIDS ON WATER LINE ARE DYING RIGHT NOW. IF WE CAN AGREE ON THE 18.3 TO GET STARTED WE CAN ALWAYS IN AREARS DO THE FUNDRAISING.
>> I'M FINE. I'M JUST ASKING A QUESTION.
I DON'T WANT IT TO GO BY FOR THREE TO SIX MONTHS.
I WOULD LIKE TO GET MOVING ON SOME TYPE OF A MEETING QUICKLY.
A GATHERING OF OUR COMMUNITY WITH OUR INDUSTRY.
>> JUST GIVE US A CHANCE TO REACH OUT AND PUT SOMETHING TOGETHER. I DON'T THINK IT WILL BE IN THE NEXT TWO WEEKS. BUT HOPEFULLY IN THE NEXT MONTH
OR SOMETHING. >> AND RIGHTS FOR PEOPLE WHO
THAT WE HAVE TO LOOK BACK AT OUR SI.
WE HAVE A NAMING RIGHTS POLL SCHISM I DON'T WANT TO QUOTE IT.
WE HAVE ONE AND WE'LL LOOK BACK THROUGH AND SEE HOW THAT PLAYS
OUT. >> MY LAST QUESTION IS HOW FAR HAVE WE MADE IT ON THE GRANT? ARE WE MAKING ANY PROGRESS?
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[INAUDIBLE] .>> AND FOR THOSE WATCHING SHE SAID WE'RE WAITING FOR TEXAS
PARKS AND WILDLIFE. >> ONE IMPORTANT QUESTION IS NUMBER FOUR ON THIS LIST. [INAUDIBLE] GET THIS BALL ROLLING. AND THEN NOT HAVE ALL THE ANSWERS THAT WE NEED TO HAVE TO PROVIDE THEM WITH ALL THE INFORMATION POSSIBLE. IF THEY WERE TO HYPOTHETICALLY HAVE REQUESTS OF THEIR GENEROUS DONATION , WHAT IS OUR RESPONSE? I'D LIKE TO HAVE AN ANSWER FOR THEM.
>> THAT FOURTH QUESTION THERE. I THINK IT'S AN IMPORTANT ONE TO
NOT HAVE ANOTHER MEETING. >> TO KEEP FROM KICKING THIS CAN, WE NEED TO COME UP A FIRM AS FIRM DECISION AS WE CAN AND HOPEFULLY IT'S OPTION THREE AS STATED.
>> THE ONLY THING I'M WORRIED ABOUT IS --
>> ONCE WE START ADDING AND TAKING AWAY IT'S GOING TO UNRAVEL. AND WE'LL BE BACK WHERE WE'VE BEEN THE LAST SIX MONTHS OR YEAR, HOWEVER LONG YOU WANT TO
GO BACK. >> HOW WOULD YOU WANT TO SAY THAT THEN? I AGREE IF WE GO TO LETTING THEM PICK AND CHOOSE, WE'RE GOING TO -- IT'S GOING TO UNRAVEL AGAIN AND WE'LL BE BACK HERE AGAIN IN TWO MONTHS.
DO WE WANT TO GO WITH WHAT WE GOT.
GET THE CONTRACT SIGNED, GET STARTED.
AND AT A LATER TIME IF THEY WANT TO GIVE US ANOTHER $200,000 TO BUY TENNIS COURTS, AT A LATER TIME, NOT NOW.
BUT AT A LATER TIME N NOVEMBEROR WHATEVER AND WANT TO GIVE ANOTHER $200,000 FOR TENNIS COURTS -- I'M JUST THROWING NUMBERS OUT. FOR RIGHT NOW LET'S KEEP WORKING
WITH THE 18.3. >> WHAT IS IN QUESTION FOR ME IS POTENTIAL OF THEIR 4 MILLION. IF THEY HAVE STIPULATIONS AROUND THAT 4 MILLION, WHAT IS OUR RESPONSE? IN OTHER WORDS HYPOTHETICAL THEY SAY THROW ANOTHER BASKETBALL COURT IN THERE OR WE'RE OUT , WHAT IS OUR RESPONSE?
>> WE GO BACK TO 14 MILLION. >> THE REALITY IS THAT THIS AGREEMENT WILL UNRAVEL AND WE'LL BE BACK AND THE TIME WILL RUN OUT. WE NEED TO MAKE A HARD DECISION AND GO FORWARD AND MAKE THE BEST OF IT AS TIME PASSES.
>> DRAW UP A $14 MILLION PARK WE'RE READY TO PUSH GUARD ON?
>> DROP TO $14 MILLION PARK WE'RE READY TO VOTE YES ON AND THEN DRAW UP $18.3 MILLION PARK WE'RE READY TO VOTE YES ON?
>> I DON'T THINK WE CAN GET AGREEMENT ON A $14 MILLION PARK.
IT WOULD BE HARDER TO GET THAT AGREEMENT.
UNLESS YOU ARE READY TO TAKE OPTION TWO AS IT IS.
IT WILL BE TOO HARD TO GET THAT AGREEMENT.
WE'LL BE STARTING OVER. IN MY OPINION.
>> I HAVE HIGH FAITH HAD 4B. >> IT'S NOT MY LACK OF FAITH IN 4B. IT'S MY VIEW OF THE PROCESS AND IT'S FRAGILE. IF WE HAVE AGREEMENT AND GO
FORWARD BUT IF WE. >> WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT 4 MILLION EITHER THERE. CONTINGENCY.
WE HAVE 2 MILLION WE'RE GOING TO SPEND OR NOT SPEND.
THAT'S A WHOLE OTHER DEBATE. >> THAT WOULD BE PRORATED BACK
PER WHAT THEY OFFER. >> I WOULD SAY THE MONEY IF THERE IS SAVINGS AND CONTINGENCY SAY IT ALL GOES TO 4B.
THEY ARE THE ONES PUTTING UP THE EXTRA MONEY.
>> I GOT A QUESTION FOR YOU JUSTIN.
ASSUMING THAT WHEN THE MAYOR -- ASSUMING THEY LOOK AT THIS JUST LIKE IT IS AND THEY GIVE US ENOUGH MONEY TO DO THIS BUT THEY WANT THIS AND THIS AND THIS DONE ALSO AND THEY PUT IN ADDITIONAL MONEY TO DO THAT, THAT'S NOT MESSING WITH THIS AT ALL.
>> RIGHT. >> IT'S LETTING THEM DO WHAT
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THEY THINK WOULD BE BEST FOR THE COMMUNITY.>> THAT'S WHERE WE STARTED. WE'RE BACK WHERE WE STARTED AT
THAT POINT. >> THAT GOES BACK TO QUESTION
NUMBER THREE. >> WE'RE DOING THIS ANYWAY.
AND THEY ARE ADDING SOME OF THE OTHER STUFF BACK INTO IT NOW
>> IT WOULD BE WONDERFUL BUT YOU ARE GOING TO START THE PROCESS OVER. I'M AFRAID IT WOULD UNRAVEL.
>> I AGREE WITH YOU. I COMPLETELY AGREE.
I ALSO FEAR THAT PUTTING THESE SORTS OF EXTREME GUARDRAILS ON
THE DISCUSSION -- IT MAY NOT. >> WE COULD PUT A NEGATIVE SPIN ON THIS IF WE WANT BUT I DON'T SEE IT THAT WAY.
THE COUNCIL IS COMING TO AGREEMENT ON HOW TO GO FORWARD WITH THE PARK AND WE'RE TURNING TO SOMEBODY AND ASKING FOR HELP.
>> THE HISTORY OF THE 4B AS I'VE SEEN IT, THEY DEAL WITH LINE ITEMS. THEY DON'T TALK NUMBERS.
>> WE'LL SEE BECAUSE 4B IN THEIR RESPONSE.
I DO NOT THINK CAN WE AT THIS POINT ASK 4B FOR WHAT THEY ARE WILLING TO DO OR NOT DO. I DON'T THINK WE CAN DO THAT LEGALLY. WE CAN'T DO THAT.
YOU MIGHT GET THE OPINION OF ONE OR TWO BOARD MEMBERS BUT THEY CAN'T SPEAK FOR THE BOARD. YOU WOULDN'T WANT TO DO THAT.
IT WOULD NOT BE FAIR TO THEM OR THE BOARD.
>> WE'RE NOT VOTING ON THIS TONIGHT TO DO IT.
WE'RE ONLY TELLING STAFF GIVING THEM DIRECTION OF WHERE TO GO WITH IT. AND I THINK WE'VE SAID GO WITH THIS AS FAR AS DIRECTION IS CONCERNED.
PUT THE PROGRAM TOGETHER FOR THIS.
IT WILL BE NEXT WEEK BEFORE WE VOTE ON IT.
MY QUESTION IS WILL 4B MEET BEFORE NEXT WEEK AND BE ABLE TO SAY BEFORE THE MEETING NEXT WEEK FOR US TO SAY YES?
>> WE WON'T HAVE IT READY FOR NEXT WEEK.
WE'LL HAVE A LITTLE MORE TIME. WE'LL TRY TO GET WITH 4B AND SEE IF THEY ARE WILLING TO CALL A SPECIAL MEETING.
OUR PREFERENCE WOULD BE TO PUSH IT TO THE SECOND MEETING IN
>> AND AGAIN THIS IS WHAT I WROTE DOWN TO QUESTION 3 WAS 4 MILLION. THAT'S WHERE THE COUNCIL FELT THEY WERE WHICH COMFORT FINANCIAL A DEBT STANDPOINT FROM 4B. JUST KEEP THIS IN MIND.
THEY ARE LOOKING AT OTHER PROJECTS THAT DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH THIS PARK. THEY COULD COME BACK TO THE COUNCIL AND SAY WE WANT TO ROLL IF WE'RE GOING TO ISSUE BONDS WE WANT TO ISSUE FOR X, Y, Z PROJECT 234 SOME OTHER PARK.
THERE COULD BE A BIGGER NUMBER THEY ARE LOOKING FOR THE COUNCIL'S APPROVAL ON. SO ONE OF THE THINGS MIGHT BE THINKING OF IS IT JUST YOU WANT TO CAP THE NUMBER AT THE PARK OR YOU JUST WANT TO CAP THEIR DEBT IN TOTAL BECAUSE YOU WANT TO
LIMIT THEIR EXPOSURE? >> I UNDERSTAND THE QUESTION AND MOTIVATION FOR IT. THAT'S SOMETHING I'D LIKE TO SHY AWAY FROM BECAUSE THIS IS VERY FRAGILE.
IF WE TACKLE THAT, BECAUSE I'VE BEEN ON RECORD SAYING THIS FOR A WHILE. I WANT TO TAKE A CONSERVATIVE APPROACH FOR THE NEXT SIX MONTHS FISCALLY.
WHAT DOES THAT MEAN I DON'T KNOW.
I'M WILLING TO GO FROM 3 TO 4. >> THE OTHER THING TOO AND I THOUGHT ABOUT IT WHOO WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT APPROVALS.
IF YOU REMEMBER A FEW MEETINGS AGO, IF WE'RE GOING TO DO THE DEBT ISSUANCE, IF THEY AGREE, WE HAVE TO START THE CLOCK.
IT'S A 45 DAY WINDOW FOR A PETITION.
WE HAVE TO START THERE A PROVE THAT.
NOTICE OF INTENTION AND MOVE FORWARD.
IT IS NOT GOING TO BE A TWO WEEKS AND WE'RE -- WE CAN COME BACK IN TWO WEEKS AND SAY YES WE COULD APPROVE A CONTRACT BUT IT'S GOING TO HAVE TO BE CONTINGENT UPON GETTING NO PETITION AND GOING TO A VOTE. FOR THE 4B DEBT.
IT'S GOING EXTEND TIME FRAME. WE'LL HAVE TO GO BACK AND START THAT LEGAL PROCESS AGAIN. AND I WISH I COULD REMEMBER THE DATE. IT'S PROBABLY TWO OR THREE COUNCIL MEETINGS AGO WHENEVER THAT WAS.
>> IF WE GO THIS ROUTE. >> I THINK THAT I SHALL
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PREFERENCE TAKE $1 MILLION IN SEPTEMBER AND PAY OFF THEIR EXISTING BOND AND BOND THIS NEW AMOUNT.THAT'S WHAT ALLEN WAS REFERENCING.
>> IF WE CAN FIGURE OUT HOW THE GET THIS DONE BUT NO MORE DEBT
FOR ME. >> 23RD OF JUNE YOU'LL BE BACK TO COUNCIL. THAT'S THREE WEEKS FROM TODAY.
>> WE COULD DO A CONTRACT. WE COULD APPROVE A GUARANTEED MAXIMUM PRICE. BUT IT WOULD NEED TO BE CONTINGENT UPON THEIR -- THAT ALL GOES OUT THE WINDOW IF THEY ARE WILLING TO SPEND 4 MILLION IN CASH, WE CAN SIGN A CONTRACT ON JUNE 23. IF 4B AND COUNCIL APPROVES THE ISSUANCE OF DEBT FOR 4 MILLION, THAT'S GOING TO EXTEND THIS PROCESS OUT BECAUSE OF THE NOTICE OF INTENTION.
>> I HATE TO ASK THIS QUESTION BUT COULD THEY -- DEFINITELY DON'T WANT TO BE SPEAKING FOR 4B BUT IF THEY PUT UP CASH COULD THEY COME BACK LATER AND GET DEBT TO BUILD BACK UP THEIR RESERVES. THEY STILL HAVE THAT OPTION
DON'T THEY? >> I'M NOT SURE ABOUT THAT.
>> WE HAVE A COUPLE OF WEEKS. >> WE'LL FIGURE THAT OUT.
THE ATTORNEY GENERAL DOESN'T LIKE TO -- WE'LL LOOK AT THAT.
THEY COMMIT TO $4 MILLION AND SAY THERE IS A PETITION ETC.
IT'S JUST CASH AND THE DEBT IS NEVER ISSUED.
THERE IS RISK IN THAT BUT WE CAN LOOK AT IT.
>> THERE IS UNCERTAINTY AND WE'RE GOING TO GO THROUGH THE NEXT SEVERAL WEEKS, WE'LL DO SPECIAL SESSIONS IF WE NEED TO
TO GET THIS DOWN THE ROAD. >> DOES STAFF NEED ANYTHING ELSE
OUT OF DISMANS. >> I DON'T THINK SO.
>> DOES COUNCIL HAVE ANYTHING ELSE TO SAY?
>> WHY WOULD WE NEED TO HAVE A SPECIAL MEETING?
>> JUST TO MAKE THINGS GO FASTER.
I DON'T KNOW. >> WE KNOW WE NEED TO HAVE A SPECIAL MEETING OF 4B. WE MAY NOT HAVE TO HAVE A
SPECIAL MEETING OF THE COUNCIL. >> I'M GOOD.
>> I WANT TO SAY I'D LIKE TO HAVE A HOME RUN PRESENTATION FOR THE 4B ON WHATEVER THEIR SPECIAL CALLED MEETING IS.
AND IF WE COULD GET PICTURE OF THE PARK CONCEPT WITH WHAT WE'RE GETTING ALL HIGHLIGHTED SO WE CAN PICTURE IT IN OUR BRAINS THAT WOULD BE GOOD SO THAT'S ALL I'VE GOT.
>> AND THE AMPHITHEATRE, THERE IS TALK ABOUT MOVING THE AMPHITHEATRE OUT AND I'D LIKE THAT ON THE RECORD AS THE INTENT
>> DO I HAVE A MOTION TO ADJOURN?
>> WE ARE ADJOURNED AT 7:28. I THINK PEO
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.